Ralph Hasenhuttl

[Pamplemousse]

4 minutes ago, Alan Sugarfree said:

If the club have decided that his time is up, I don’t get the rationale of hanging on until his replacement is lined up. Do the deed and put someone from the back room in temporary charge with a statement confirming that is the case. Regardless of who we’ve got next Saturday, it isn’t going to benefit any party involved by dragging it out.

As much as I’ve wanted Ralph gone for the last 18 months, anyone can see he has an affinity towards the club. It’s a shame it’s going to end like this. Walking away in the summer would have been a more dignified way of it happening.

I don't want Selles in charge at all. We did that the season we got relegated - having a Spanish Steve Wigley in charge for any period would be terrible.

[Pamplemousse]

13 minutes ago, Chris cooper said:

Just found out that  “pamplemousse” in Austrian is “DISCIPLE”

Make of that wot you will ! 👀😵‍💫

Nobody's answered my question. If it's such a massive, major problem, why hasn't he been sacked yet?

[Saint_lambden]

There's literally nowhere else to turn now for improved results or at least more consistency in performances. He's had money to spend and more support on the coaching front and yet the same problems blight us week in, week out. We don't even have a recognisable playing style now which you could at least fall back on in the past when results were poor ('you can see what we're trying to do'). 

The players are no longer with him, the fans certainly aren't so giving him another week in charge when we're likely to get pummelled at City anyway seems like a gigantic waste of time. 

Don't have any ill-will against the bloke on a personal level - he's looked broken for a long time now and it's clearly affected his mentality and the way we're setting up to play (safe, try not to concede and reactive) - but 12 points from 60 is embarrassing and he needs to be put out of his (and our) misery now.  

 

[Disco Stu]

23 minutes ago, TheDevilishSaint said:

https://theathletic.com/3645744/2022/10/03/hasenhuttl-job-southampton-sack/

If anyone wants to read, there's no paywall.

There's a paywall for me.

Edited 3 October, 2022 by Disco Stu

[Suhari]

8 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

There's a paywall for me.

Yep. I see the first few paragraphs then it kicks in.

[Maggie May]

59 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

There goes his chance then.

Haha. Just my hunch. 

[Wade Garrett]

28 minutes ago, TheDevilishSaint said:

 Very damning article. Confirms he has no relationship with the players and the issues have been going on since last season and probably before. Many feel their future is uncertain if he stays. Didn't talk to the players after Everton, just left them to all leave. I'm actually really worried about City if that's the case, it's going to completely destroy any morale left.

Also confirmed that many players feel like the fans in that he makes emotional changes too often without reason.

He needs to go after City. He's completely lost them, get someone in for the West Ham game. We can't have players thinking about leaving because of the manager.

Again, why give a manager a week to prepare for West Ham when he could have a fortnight?

[Toussaint]

27 minutes ago, TheDevilishSaint said:

 Very damning article. Confirms he has no relationship with the players and the issues have been going on since last season and probably before. Many feel their future is uncertain if he stays. Didn't talk to the players after Everton, just left them to all leave. I'm actually really worried about City if that's the case, it's going to completely destroy any morale left.

Also confirmed that many players feel like the fans in that he makes emotional changes too often without reason.

He needs to go after City. He's completely lost them, get someone in for the West Ham game. We can't have players thinking about leaving because of the manager.

It may work the opposite way, I have seen this happen in other team sports I have followed, where unmotivated players get right up for the big games, this may explain why we have done better against the better sides generally.

[Dorchester Saint]

I’m hopeful that the board have decided to dispense with Ralph and have their new man in mind. There would be little sense in bringing a new manager in now before sending them to the Etihad for a mauling, so I hope that will be Ralph’s last game. As for who replaces him…..god knows!

[saintant]

59 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

I'm very uncomfortable about stories like this being made public. True or not, it doesn't help the club at all.

Ultimately when you boil it down, the story is just some of the players don't like the boss. And who hasn't had a boss they didn't particularly like?

If it was a major issue at the club, he'd have been gone already.

It sounds a bit more serious than that and why not make it public? Would you rather the players just sweep it under the carpet and carry on? There will always be one or two players that don't get on with the manager but this appears to run a lot deeper. There were rumours that Oriel left in part because of this. I have to say, JWP's demeanour and body language this season has not been normal for him so there is certainly something wrong. Best to get rid of Ralph now because these sort of things are never fixable.

[hypochondriac]

27 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Nobody's answered my question. If it's such a massive, major problem, why hasn't he been sacked yet?

A combination of new owners wanting to look at things before acting, the fact that we always seem to get a win when we need it most and possibly waiting for the right candidate but that's speculation on my part. What I would say is that his position has been subject to review for quite a while 

[saintant]

33 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

I don't want Selles in charge at all. We did that the season we got relegated - having a Spanish Steve Wigley in charge for any period would be terrible.

How do you work out he is a Spanish Steve Wigley?

[saintant]

32 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Nobody's answered my question. If it's such a massive, major problem, why hasn't he been sacked yet?

Sounds like there were rumblings at the end of last season and he was probably given a chance to improve but he can't or won't.

[Chris cooper]

32 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Nobody's answered my question. If it's such a massive, major problem, why hasn't he been sacked yet?

Cos The board don’t have a replacement yet ..don’t want to pay compensation twice if we are in for Frank !.. wen we get tonked 13-0 Saturday they won’t have a choice .. bye 👋🏻 Ralph 

[Toussaint]

37 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Nobody's answered my question. If it's such a massive, major problem, why hasn't he been sacked yet?

Prohibitive cost to get rid

They believed his bullshit

Semmens & Co are spineless

They wanted to see how he went with the new coaches, but Ralph has now shut them out

May have thought we would be good enough to stay up this season and build on that, now realising we are in serious danger of relegation

 

 

A few things that sprung to mind without too much effort

 

Edited 3 October, 2022 by Toussaint

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Toussaint said:

Prohibitive cost to get rid

They believed his bullshit

Semmens & Co ar spineless

They wanted to see how he went with the new coaches, but Ralph has now shut them out

May have thought we would be good enough to stay up this season and build on that, now realising we are in serouls danger of relegation

 

 

A few things that sprung to mind without too much effort

 

Semmens and his role is also a very interesting topic. I thought he was quite fortunate to keep his job when SR came in. Maybe the taking stock of every major position within the club isn't too far wide of the mark

[revolution saint]

5 minutes ago, saintant said:

Sounds like there were rumblings at the end of last season and he was probably given a chance to improve but he can't or won't.

Agree with this.  They obviously gave him a remit to tighten up the defence which explains the failed 3 at the back experiment and ditching the high press.  This season Ralph hasn't set the team up how he would want to if he had free reign.  Problem is that he can't (and never has) been able to set a team up defensively for a prolonged period and it's come at the expense of any attacking threat we had.

There's various mitigating factors but ultimately he's going and it might as well be sooner rather than later - if the mood amongst players is as bad as suggested then this article is only going to make that worse.  Timing isn't great for a change but the prospects don't look good by keeping Ralph in the short term either.

[berkshiresaint]

50 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Nobody's answered my question. If it's such a massive, major problem, why hasn't he been sacked yet?

probably because he's got naked/compromising pictures of the owners. That's the only reason i can see as to why he hasn't been sacked yet. 

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Semmens and his role is also a very interesting topic. I thought he was quite fortunate to keep his job when SR came in. Maybe the taking stock of every major position within the club isn't too far wide of the mark

Im not so sure. Semmens appears to have been instrumental in bringing them in so probably kept his role as part of that deal. When he first took over from Kruger he was quite popular, talked a lot of sense and was a breath of fresh air after 4 years of Krugers bullshit and cliches, his stock among the fans seems to have fallen though recently for no real reason. If you ignore the noise he's not done a bad job, really dont get why fans dont like him. Yes he's a bit of a silver tongued businessman type without a football background but that's the reality of modern football ownership. 

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Prohibitive cost to get rid

They believed his bullshit

Semmens & Co are spineless

They wanted to see how he went with the new coaches, but Ralph has now shut them out

May have thought we would be good enough to stay up this season and build on that, now realising we are in serious danger of relegation

 

 

A few things that sprung to mind without too much effort

 

these 3 are the most likely IMO. 

[saintant]

If it is true that Ralph didn't even speak with the players immediately after the Everton game then that sounds like a dereliction of duty. He is paid a massive salary and should be taking responsibility not skulking off without a word of advice/criticism/encouragement or expression of his views in relation to the game. I'd sack him for that and sod his compensation but realise that it is not easy to sack people these days. If he's done it before he should have been given official warnings. With the money he's earning he really has to be more accountable and take his responsibilities seriously. It seems he can't take it when we lose but is quite happy to bask in the glory of victories.

[saintwbu]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

If it is true that Ralph didn't even speak with the players immediately after the Everton game then that sounds like a dereliction of duty. He is paid a massive salary and should be taking responsibility not skulking off without a word of advice/criticism/encouragement or expression of his views in relation to the game. I'd sack him for that and sod his compensation but realise that it is not easy to sack people these days. If he's done it before he should have been given official warnings. With the money he's earning he really has to be more accountable and take his responsibilities seriously. It seems he can't take it when we lose but is quite happy to bask in the glory of victories.

Wenger supposedly never used to talk to the team after a game, and he wasn’t too bad. But don’t let that get in the way of a good rant.

[aintforever]

57 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Nobody's answered my question. If it's such a massive, major problem, why hasn't he been sacked yet?

I expect they will get rid during the break for the World Cup.

It may be that they recognise that their failure to bring a striker in means we will struggle regardless of manager?

[Alan Sugarfree]

59 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

I don't want Selles in charge at all. We did that the season we got relegated - having a Spanish Steve Wigley in charge for any period would be terrible.

Who said it had to be Selles? And I’m not talking about the Wigley situation in terms of time he was given. Just a figurehead for the coming game against Man City. If the owners are lining Ralph up for the firing squad they should do it now.

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I expect they will get rid during the break for the World Cup.

It may be that they recognise that their failure to bring a striker in means we will struggle regardless of manager?

Brighton seemed to do alright for goals this season despite selling Maupay starting with Danny Wellbeck up front on saturday who has scored less than Adams the last three season.

[saintant]

18 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

Wenger supposedly never used to talk to the team after a game, and he wasn’t too bad. But don’t let that get in the way of a good rant.

Well you have no proof of that as we have no real proof Ralph didn't speak with the players after Saturday's game. Either way I think a manager worth his salt should always have an immediate debrief after a game. I get that sometimes emotions are running high but even a few words should be said with a full debrief another time when calm has been restored. 

[aintforever]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Brighton seemed to do alright for goals this season despite selling Maupay starting with Danny Wellbeck up front on saturday who has scored less than Adams the last three season.

It may be that they recognise that their failure to bring a striker in means we will struggle regardless of what Brighton do?

[Wade Garrett]

42 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

Wenger supposedly never used to talk to the team after a game, and he wasn’t too bad. But don’t let that get in the way of a good rant.

Fucking hell, they won most of their games.  Ridiculous statement.

Nobody milks a win like Ralph.  

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I have been in the Ralph out camp since last season and remain so but I will say the Board not delivering a striker must have been a kick in the nuts especially when Ralph said we would be signing one. 
Notwithstanding that however he has been largely responsible for digging his own grave and must face the consequences. 
He should go now. Put Selles in temporary charge and then break the bank (you’d probably have to) for Thomas Frank. 
No thanks Rafa, he would be a stepping stone and off to a bigger club soon enough. Poch was loved by the players when he was here but I doubt he’d fancy taking on the big boys with our budget. 
I hope this does not become dragged out. Dead men walking is not a good look. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

I’d say it’s a very damning article…

His time is up, he knows it, everyone knows it. But it’s not on the club to make the RIGHT change - and that will be the next issue.

I’m intrigued as to who the board have been keeping tabs on. 👀

[LaptopSaint]

Yeah, we’ve known there are problems for a while. But when ‘sources close to the players’ are openly briefing the media (and I presume The Athletic didn’t nip up to Brum for a word with Jan Bednarek), then it’s only a matter of time. 
I still think the move will come during the World Cup break. 
We’ll have a full squad to work with except (maybe) JWP, and (annoyingly) all three first choice CBs. 

[Saint86]

I've backed him for a while. But he's lost his identity and confidence as a manager, and unless he miraculously recovers those quickly he's finished. 

I find the abuse he gets from some of our "fan" base very distasteful as ultimatley he's done a lot for the club over the years, and he continues to try his best. But I think we're at a point now where the board really do need to put him out of his misery. 

What Jordan says is right, the club have stuck by him very admirably. But he looks lost with no way back at the moment. Would be a tremendous sign of faith / gamble to back him again through this patch - at the moment we're in relegation form. That everton game is the tipping point and I'll be surprised if he is still here beyond the city away game. 

[Pamplemousse]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

How do you work out he is a Spanish Steve Wigley?

Tongue in cheek but he's totally inexperienced and I'd rather have someone in charge, even if it's Ralph, than a caretaker/interim man

[Turkish]

48 minutes ago, aintforever said:

It may be that they recognise that their failure to bring a striker in means we will struggle regardless of what Brighton do?

It isnt the faliure to sign a striker thats the cause of the lack lustre performances, slack defending, constant chopping and changing of the players, ditching the formation we played for the whole of preseason after one and a half league games. 

[Turkish]

34 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I have been in the Ralph out camp since he sold Sam Gallagher and remain so but I will say the Board not delivering a striker must have been a kick in the nuts especially when Ralph said we would be signing one. 
Notwithstanding that however he has been largely responsible for digging his own grave and must face the consequences. 
He should go now. Put Selles in temporary charge and then break the bank (you’d probably have to) for Thomas Frank. 
No thanks Rafa, he would be a stepping stone and off to a bigger club soon enough. Poch was loved by the players when he was here but I doubt he’d fancy taking on the big boys with our budget. 
I hope this does not become dragged out. Dead men walking is not a good look. 

corrected it for you. Rest of your post i entirely agree with.

Edited 3 October, 2022 by Turkish

[OldNick]

He came with a reputation of improving young players. I fail to see one that has. I expected his knowledge of the German leagues to bring a few in, but didnt. He has let the more expereinced players leave and now a team like Villa bullied our kids. This will happen in any crunch game as there is not a minder like Oriel to sort the opposition.

Many don't like Redmond but Im sure he would have done something in the last 3 games positive. He it seems was too vocal for the dictator that Ralph to my mind seems to be, and so pushed him out

[OldNick]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

corrected it for you. Rest of your post i entirely agree with.

Naughty, but perhaps a little grain of truth in that

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

 

My point is something like this should be sorted internally, going to the press doesn't help the club in my view.

Perhaps they tried to sort it out “internally “, didn’t get anywhere, so went to the press as a last resort. Maybe there’s people on the board like you who couldn’t see what was bleeding obvious to everyone else. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

The whole thing is starting to make me doubt the board as much as Ralph, majority of the fan base can now see Ralph isn’t cutting it but they do nothing..

not only that why the hell didn’t we sign a striker in the summer? To me this is pretty inexcusable it was totally and utterly obvious that we don’t have any clinical strikers, we had the entire summer to sign someone and all we do is faff about until the final days of the window before trying for gakpo who isn’t really a striker anyway then just give up and stick with The rubbish we have  how can we not have a list of strikers that if one move doesn’t come off then move to the next..absolutely shocking we have allowed this to happen..

again against Everton adams and Armstrong had a couple of decent chances each but they just are not guys who you want to rely on to win you tight games .. this isn’t really a defense of RH but if you think Thomas frank or whoever else is gonna suddenly turn these two in to scoring machines it’s not gonna happen 

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, Toussaint said:

It may work the opposite way, I have seen this happen in other team sports I have followed, where unmotivated players get right up for the big games, this may explain why we have done better against the better sides generally.

Roy Keane always says you shouldn’t judge a team or their desire in games against big clubs, they have to be on it or else they’ll get embarrassed. The time to judge them is in winnable games. 

[aintforever]

54 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It isnt the faliure to sign a striker thats the cause of the lack lustre performances, slack defending, constant chopping and changing of the players, ditching the formation we played for the whole of preseason after one and a half league games. 

Obviously not but in my opinion the striking options of Adam Armstrong, Ché Adams and Sékou Mara is probably the worst in the league, it's bound to effect the team's performance and mean the manager is going to struggle to find the right formation.

I think Ralph's days are probably numbered but I have no confidence in any new manager suddenly making that lot good enough to keep us up.

[revolution saint]

Wonder if we hear from a club friendly journalist soon.  Imagine the hierarchy would want to quash anything if they had no intention of getting rid, or at least not getting rid before the world cup.

[FarehamSaintJames]

I don’t think we’ll get rid before the World Cup.

One because a new manager would lose the odd player. Also as teams get knocked out Saints could be ambitious and go for an international manager….

Or not 😅

[Convict Colony]

2 hours ago, aintforever said:

I expect they will get rid during the break for the World Cup.

It may be that they recognise that their failure to bring a striker in means we will struggle regardless of manager?

Concur with this and what everyone on this forum has been saying for months, we needed a proven striker to come in.

No manager can turn Che/Armstrong into a clinical pairing.

Ralph let himself down with playing Moi for 7 games straight when everyone could see it wasnt working.

[charliemiller]

Honestly I think Ralph knows he has run his course , on Saturday his body language stunk he stood on the edge of his technical box with his arms folded not animated at all, however it was noticeable that Selles was behind in the Technical box screaming directions and gesturing to the players ....how often do you see the assistant coach instructing the team while the manager stands like a statue!!

[Tom & Gerry]

I guess the priority is to get a manager that keeps us up, but how do we get a good manager that stays much beyond a season?

[Toussaint]

14 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Obviously not but in my opinion the striking options of Adam Armstrong, Ché Adams and Sékou Mara is probably the worst in the league, it's bound to effect the team's performance and mean the manager is going to struggle to find the right formation.

I think Ralph's days are probably numbered but I have no confidence in any new manager suddenly making that lot good enough to keep us up.

A new manager could make us harder to beat though, that wide open 4 2 2 2 nonsense has to go for a start. I can live with grinding out a few bore draws until we can address the situation. You might also find those strikers could be more effective in a better set up team.  

[Sfcphilc]

He's now the bookies favourite to be the next Premier League manager sacked. Shortened into 1/2 on some sites.

Might be someone knows something, or might be a few people chancing their arm. Who knows!

[MarkSFC]

5 minutes ago, Sfcphilc said:

He's now the bookies favourite to be the next Premier League manager sacked. Shortened into 1/2 on some sites.

Might be someone knows something, or might be a few people chancing their arm. Who knows!

If someone knew something there wouldn't be a market as on this type of market any substantial bet would kill the book. 

[aintforever]

15 minutes ago, Sfcphilc said:

He's now the bookies favourite to be the next Premier League manager sacked. Shortened into 1/2 on some sites.

Might be someone knows something, or might be a few people chancing their arm. Who knows!

I think he was favourite when Bournemouth, Chelsea, Brighton and Wolves all changed manager so the bookies rarely seem to get it right.

Edited 3 October, 2022 by aintforever