Ralph Hasenhuttl

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, Pamplemousse said:

I don't disagree tbh. If he loses the West Ham game that's 100% it for me. Assuming we lose against Man City 

I think the ‘jam tomorrow’ thinking has run its course.  He’s well and truly used up his 9 lives as far as I’m concerned.

[DT]

Wolves have acted decisively and sacked a manager who is performing considerably better than ours. 

[Paul Chuckle]

Wolves have just sacked their manager. 

[sfc4prem]

Neither performances or results. It's not really up for debate any more, and it needs to happen sharpish.

[trousers]

1 minute ago, DT said:

Wolves have acted decisively and sacked a manager who is performing considerably better than ours. 

[DT]

6 minutes ago, trousers said:

oh alright. as bad

[Wade Garrett]

A few comments on The Ugly Inside that Semmens was fuming and Ralph was pulled in after the game.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, DT said:

oh alright. as bad

If Che Adams could hit a cows arse with a banjo, Wolves would be on half our points total.

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

A few comments on The Ugly Inside that Semmens was fuming and Ralph was pulled in after the game.

Maybe (in hope), his is on his way but has been asked to stay on the bus until after the city game...part of his settlement etc.

wishful thinking though

Edited 2 October, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[notnowcato]

30 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Maybe (in hope), his is on his way but has been asked to stay on the bus until after the city game...part of his settlement etc.

wishful thinking though

No point letting him stay around any longer than necessary. If the decision has been made, he has to go now. 

[Turkish]

Possibly in the bottom 3 this time next week. We will inevitably get a bit of a thrashing at city, wolves away at Chelsea tough game but if they have a new manager could get a point and palace will fancy winning home v Leeds. 

[Uncle Albert]

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Edited 2 October, 2022 by Uncle Albert
Sorry I got too excited it was a fake account

[badgerx16]

6 hours ago, Badger said:

Not sure if that post is calling out for MLG, or if you are him in disguise 

It is true.

Until the final whistle a team has the number of points they had at kick off.

Edited 2 October, 2022 by badgerx16

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, JRM said:

Having had some good moments and bonded over his jazz hand post match celebrations 

His “celebrations” are pure noddy. He should be sacked for that alone. 

[Turkish]

Gerrard could well be gone before Ralph. Been pretty poor again today even though Leeds have played the last half hour with 10

[DT]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

If Che Adams could hit a cows arse with a banjo, Wolves would be on half our points total.

I have nightmares about Adams' miss. Cannot believe he is so shit. But he is.

[Pamplemousse]

19 minutes ago, DT said:

I have nightmares about Adams' miss. Cannot believe he is so shit. But he is.

And he's our top scorer

[Dark Munster]

4 hours ago, trousers said:

I've been "off the fence" for a few weeks now... Keep up me ol' mucker...

I was on the fence before the Villa game. After that monstrosity I was struggling to stay on, like an acrobat on a tightrope with a gale force wind blowing. Yesterday was the final straw that knocked me off.

[Edmonton Saint]

I got excited when I saw Ralph was trending 

[TheDevilishSaint]

Just watched TSP. Jacob from The Athletic said there's an article coming out tomorrow about Ralph. Says he is essentially fighting for his job and he wouldn't have been surprised to see him go Saturday night. Jacob said he couldn't say much, alluded to the fact their might be more issues with Ralph behind the scenes than we thought, especially with training but didn't confirm what he meant. Don't want to put words in his mouth. He was very coy and said nothing can be said until tomorrow.

One thing he made clear however was that Ralph is definitely fighting for his job and he needs results.

[Wade Garrett]

5 minutes ago, TheDevilishSaint said:

Just watched TSP. Jacob from The Athletic said there's an article coming out tomorrow about Ralph. Says he is essentially fighting for his job and he wouldn't have been surprised to see him go Saturday night. Jacob said he couldn't say much, alluded to the fact their might be more issues with Ralph behind the scenes than we thought, especially with training but didn't confirm what he meant. Don't want to put words in his mouth. He was very coy and said nothing can be said until tomorrow.

One thing he made clear however was that Ralph is definitely fighting for his job and he needs results.

Unbelievable 

[Pamplemousse]

When these sort of stories come out it doesn't usually end up with the manager staying for too much longer.

Just got to hope when we do pull the plug that we have a replacement ready and lined up. Don't want someone totally inexperienced like Selles taking charge at all

[The Kraken]

4 minutes ago, TheDevilishSaint said:

One thing he made clear however was that Ralph is definitely fighting for his job and he needs results.

I didn’t get any sense of urgency from the players that they’re fighting for him. It just looked like disjointed stand-off rubbish to me. I can’t see Ralph turning this around this time, just a matter of time until he’s gone. May as well rip off the plaster now and get the process started.

[Pamplemousse]

Just now, The Kraken said:

I didn’t get any sense of urgency from the players that they’re fighting for him. It just looked like disjointed stand-off rubbish to me. I can’t see Ralph turning this around this time, just a matter of time until he’s gone. May as well rip off the plaster now and get the process started.

I don't agree, we had loads of chances to score in the second half yesterday

[AlexLaw76]

26 minutes ago, TheDevilishSaint said:

Just watched TSP. Jacob from The Athletic said there's an article coming out tomorrow about Ralph. Says he is essentially fighting for his job and he wouldn't have been surprised to see him go Saturday night. Jacob said he couldn't say much, alluded to the fact their might be more issues with Ralph behind the scenes than we thought, especially with training but didn't confirm what he meant. Don't want to put words in his mouth. He was very coy and said nothing can be said until tomorrow.

One thing he made clear however was that Ralph is definitely fighting for his job and he needs results.

If this is true, Ralph’s tenure is all but over. Let’s hope the change happens soon, with a suitable replacement 

[Harry_SFC]

1 hour ago, TheDevilishSaint said:

Just watched TSP. Jacob from The Athletic said there's an article coming out tomorrow about Ralph. Says he is essentially fighting for his job and he wouldn't have been surprised to see him go Saturday night. Jacob said he couldn't say much, alluded to the fact their might be more issues with Ralph behind the scenes than we thought, especially with training but didn't confirm what he meant. Don't want to put words in his mouth. He was very coy and said nothing can be said until tomorrow.

One thing he made clear however was that Ralph is definitely fighting for his job and he needs results.

Sounds to me like he's lost the players. If so then they might as well just get rid of him now. 

[saintant]

Wouldn't surprise me to learn that Ralph has not been happy integrating the new coaching staff and probably doesn't allow them much of a say or any meaningful input in training sessions. He was fine with Kelvin and the rest because they weren't much more than his glorified puppets but I suspect the new guys have probably got up his nose and will have their own views and ideas.

[danjosaint]

The guy is an ego driven prick, comes across a nice guy to the cameras but seems to fall out with so many players, such poor man management only gets you so far before players start to become less interested and just go through the motions which is what i think is happening now

[DT]

11 minutes ago, saintant said:

Wouldn't surprise me to learn that Ralph has not been happy integrating the new coaching staff and probably doesn't allow them much of a say or any meaningful input in training sessions. He was fine with Kelvin and the rest because they weren't much more than his glorified puppets but I suspect the new guys have probably got up his nose and will have their own views and ideas.

This. He doesn’t like people with valid football ideas, clearly. Prefers his Ralph world of dogma and pet yes man players who tow the party line but sadly are shit

[Mr Saints]

I suspect he’ll be put out of his misery after a tonking at City next week.

[saintscottofthenortham]

44 minutes ago, saintant said:

Wouldn't surprise me to learn that Ralph has not been happy integrating the new coaching staff and probably doesn't allow them much of a say or any meaningful input in training sessions. He was fine with Kelvin and the rest because they weren't much more than his glorified puppets but I suspect the new guys have probably got up his nose and will have their own views and ideas.

Exactly my thoughts. Alex Clapham jumping ship within weeks of joining stunk of this to me.

[Wurzel]

2 hours ago, TheDevilishSaint said:

Just watched TSP. Jacob from The Athletic said there's an article coming out tomorrow about Ralph. Says he is essentially fighting for his job and he wouldn't have been surprised to see him go Saturday night. Jacob said he couldn't say much, alluded to the fact their might be more issues with Ralph behind the scenes than we thought, especially with training but didn't confirm what he meant. Don't want to put words in his mouth. He was very coy and said nothing can be said until tomorrow.

One thing he made clear however was that Ralph is definitely fighting for his job and he needs results.

What's TSP?  And what time tomorrow? Is it worth me staying up another hour?

[Dark Munster]

1 hour ago, Wurzel said:

What's TSP?  And what time tomorrow? Is it worth me staying up another hour?

https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/topic/59493-total-saints-podcast-202223-season/

[skintsaint]

Rumour is Putin has called Ralph and asked him for top tips on how to stay in power whilst everything around him goes to shit.

[Convict Colony]

Article basically says, he has poor management skills with the players and some told the board that there should be a change last season.

They thought there might of been a change after villa game but Ralph is on borrowed time, club have been maintaining relationships with other managers and quite a lot was mentioned about Ralph's demeanour in the 2nd half on sat, looking detached and dejected etc when he is usually going great guns.

Some players also think his touchline antics are annoying. 

Basically the players who have been here longest are complaining the most, they also find when we are shit he communicates even less with them.

Ralph has always had a communication issue, I just don't know why he hasn't tried to solve it.

Edited 3 October, 2022 by Convict Colony

[skintsaint]

12 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

they also find when we are shit he communicates even less with them.

Probably not spoken to them for about 10 months then.

[CB Fry]

The Atlantic believe he won't be sacked "imminently" so that pretty much rules out today then.

Hopefully the club are just holding a bit back from The Athletic and he's getting the bullet at 9am.

 

[benali-shorts]

33 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

The Atlantic believe he won't be sacked "imminently" so that pretty much rules out today then.

Hopefully the club are just holding a bit back from The Athletic and he's getting the bullet at 9am.

 

Or hoping that if Forest lose tonight, Cooper might be available.....

 

[Maggie May]

7 minutes ago, benali-shorts said:

Or hoping that if Forest lose tonight, Cooper might be available.....

 

Cooper would fail here. I don’t rate him.

I was a Ralph fan. He galvanised the fans and the players after two dreadful appointments and injected excitement into Southampton not seen since Koeman’s time.

Based on Convict Colony’s summary above, and as much as I hate seeing people lose their jobs, the board has to take decisive action. This is a problem that appears unable to be resolved and is affecting morale on and off the pitch. 

Our biggest asset is a shadow of his former self despite Ralph largely turning him into the player he’s become, one of our new coaches left after a few weeks, and we’ve totally fallen apart since Villa with no sign of the situation changing.  We are in total free fall. 

 

[CB Fry]

Interesting to read passages like the below and to square that with the common view here that there is absolutely no one, anywhere on earth that could conceivably replace Ralph. Nobody at all. No one.

.....

They explained Hasenhuttl’s man-management and communication skills had long been a problem but would tend to exacerbate and become even more insular when form nosedived. Just like now.

At this point, the mood in the dressing room had turned to scepticism, with Hasenhuttl described by sources, who have asked to remain anonymous to protect their jobs, as having “no relationship” with his players. Some members of the squad had hoped he would leave at the end of last season and viewed a potential departure as having a deciding influence on their own futures. They shared those concerns with Southampton’s board.

[Pamplemousse]

I'm very uncomfortable about stories like this being made public. True or not, it doesn't help the club at all.

Ultimately when you boil it down, the story is just some of the players don't like the boss. And who hasn't had a boss they didn't particularly like?

If it was a major issue at the club, he'd have been gone already.

[Convict Colony]

31 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Cooper would fail here. I don’t rate him.

I was a Ralph fan. He galvanised the fans and the players after two dreadful appointments and injected excitement into Southampton not seen since Koeman’s time.

Based on Convict Colony’s summary above, and as much as I hate seeing people lose their jobs, the board has to take decisive action. This is a problem that appears unable to be resolved and is affecting morale on and off the pitch. 

Our biggest asset is a shadow of his former self despite Ralph largely turning him into the player he’s become, one of our new coaches left after a few weeks, and we’ve totally fallen apart since Villa with no sign of the situation changing.  We are in total free fall. 

 

There goes his chance then.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Pamplemousse said:

I'm very uncomfortable about stories like this being made public. True or not, it doesn't help the club at all.

Ultimately when you boil it down, the story is just some of the players don't like the boss. And who hasn't had a boss they didn't particularly like?

If it was a major issue at the club, he'd have been gone already.

If you don't understand that his man management skills are a major problem and have been for months then you're beyond help. 

[bangkoksaint]

We’re clearly just waiting for the right man. City gives us two weeks realistically and he’ll be gone in that time - thankfully 

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Rumour is Putin has called Ralph and asked him for top tips on how to stay in power whilst everything around him goes to shit.

He’s also acting as a mentor to Truss

[Pamplemousse]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

If you don't understand that his man management skills are a major problem and have been for months then you're beyond help. 

I understand perfectly well, you've said it before, it's clearly a problem, but if it's such a huge issue, why haven't the club sacked him already?

My point is something like this should be sorted internally, going to the press doesn't help the club in my view.

[Chris cooper]

18 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

I understand perfectly well, you've said it before, it's clearly a problem, but if it's such a huge issue, why haven't the club sacked him already?

My point is something like this should be sorted internally, going to the press doesn't help the club in my view.

Just found out that  “pamplemousse” in Austrian is “DISCIPLE”

Make of that wot you will ! 👀😵‍💫

Edited 3 October, 2022 by Chris cooper

[TheDevilishSaint]

https://theathletic.com/3645744/2022/10/03/hasenhuttl-job-southampton-sack/

If anyone wants to read, there's no paywall.

[Alan Sugarfree]

If the club have decided that his time is up, I don’t get the rationale of hanging on until his replacement is lined up. Do the deed and put someone from the back room in temporary charge with a statement confirming that is the case. Regardless of who we’ve got next Saturday, it isn’t going to benefit any party involved by dragging it out.

As much as I’ve wanted Ralph gone for the last 18 months, anyone can see he has an affinity towards the club. It’s a shame it’s going to end like this. Walking away in the summer would have been a more dignified way of it happening.

[TheDevilishSaint]

 Very damning article. Confirms he has no relationship with the players and the issues have been going on since last season and probably before. Many feel their future is uncertain if he stays. Didn't talk to the players after Everton, just left them to all leave. I'm actually really worried about City if that's the case, it's going to completely destroy any morale left.

Also confirmed that many players feel like the fans in that he makes emotional changes too often without reason.

He needs to go after City. He's completely lost them, get someone in for the West Ham game. We can't have players thinking about leaving because of the manager.