Ralph Hasenhuttl

[Give it to Ron]

4 hours ago, SaintZamboni said:

I’ve been a long time Ralph apologist. I still like him as a manager, I think he actually gives a shit and for a period he brought us some high energy, exciting football (even if we took some beatings on the way).

Today was the straw that broke the camels back. We had some moments and I’m still excited by the youngsters we’ve signed but mostly it was a rough watch. Disjointed, sloppy and no identity. I don’t want us to be a nothing side. 

When Ralph started he had lines drawn all over the training fields so he could instill the pressing cues. Why the fuck did they ever erase them? We’re purposeless at the moment and it shows. We know Ralph can do better and he’s not. Our form is torrid and we’re horrible to watch. 
 

Next weekend is a hiding to nothing so either go and perform (and inevitably lose) or go (resign/sack). Let’s find someone else who likes to press but maybe has some fresh eyes and ideas on the situation.

I think we all like his manner and way he took to our club. He seems a genuinely nice guy and we have had some highs.

We all wanted him to succeed but it’s gone what he had, he is a busted flush .

6 changes yesterday breaking up the one thing that’s been pretty much ok Salisu/BK , he played a young lad nowhere near equipped to be a defender in Prem.

Despite past performances Moussa has done ok this year, he did well at left back played decent first half on the right at Villa yet totally dropped yesterday.

He was let down badly by going for Gapko we didn’t need a 30m player we needed 2 strikers. Nketiah, Ineacho would have improved us and an offer for either would have been better than wasting weeks on someone we were never getting.

Ralphs team if it is his team now lacks confidence, tactics or any ability it’s stifled by him. The only time we look good is when we just forget everything and go for it.

Go now how many more games are we going to waste. Will be sad to see him go but it’s time.

Edited 2 October, 2022 by Give it to Ron

[AlexLaw76]

would it be a strange turn of events that the rolled-up sleeve'd, data-centric owners actually take us down.

Edited 2 October, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[Give it to Ron]

9 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

would it be a strange turn of events that the rolled-up sleeve'd, data-centric owners actually take us down.

Not really 

[Saintscummer]

6 hours ago, SaintZamboni said:

I’ve been a long time Ralph apologist. I still like him as a manager, I think he actually gives a shit and for a period he brought us some high energy, exciting football (even if we took some beatings on the way).

Today was the straw that broke the camels back. We had some moments and I’m still excited by the youngsters we’ve signed but mostly it was a rough watch. Disjointed, sloppy and no identity. I don’t want us to be a nothing side. 

When Ralph started he had lines drawn all over the training fields so he could instill the pressing cues. Why the fuck did they ever erase them? We’re purposeless at the moment and it shows. We know Ralph can do better and he’s not. Our form is torrid and we’re horrible to watch. 
 

Next weekend is a hiding to nothing so either go and perform (and inevitably lose) or go (resign/sack). Let’s find someone else who likes to press but maybe has some fresh eyes and ideas on the situation.

This sums it up perfectly. Ralph as Saints manager has quite simply run its course. His original way of playing was not suitable or sustainable in this league but it made us about a 16th or 17th placed team. Now he has compromised those original beliefs and we are a 20th placed team. 
 

we need reinventing and pretty soon . 

[Weston Super Saint]

23 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

would it be a strange turn of events that the rolled-up sleeve'd, data-centric owners actually take us down.

Don't we already have a South coast team planning world domination from the lower leagues?  Not sure there's room for a second.

[aintforever]

26 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

would it be a strange turn of events that the rolled-up sleeve'd, data-centric owners actually take us down.

Why?

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, aintforever said:

Why?

Because they are supposed to be forward thinking, brought in new coaches, spent a fair whack on players.  supposed to be building a network of clubs around the world with saints as the jewel in the crown!.  All the things Gao never did as an owner, that is why.

Edited 2 October, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[aintforever]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Because they are supposed to be forward thinking, brought in new coaches, spent a fair whack on players.  All the things Gao never did as an owner, supposed to be building a network of clubs around the world with saints as the jewel in the crown!.  That is why.

Clubs have brought in new coaches spent more than us and gone down plenty of times. It happens.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, aintforever said:

Clubs have brought in new coaches spent more than us and gone down plenty of times. It happens.

Yes, probably for the best if we go down anyway.

[Charlie Wayman]

League 2 is a good place to start if they intend to remodel and rebuild the club on solid foundations from the ground up. However it will take a couple more seasons to clear the rubble to get the new build underway. 

[Pamplemousse]

Thinking about it this morning and I'm starting to lean more and more towards making a change.

You look at the team and we are far better than where we should be.

No point making a change before Man City since going into that game rudderless would be suicide, and you never know, putting pressure on Ralph may actually see a reaction. Lose that heavily or lose the West Ham and I think at that point there's no option for the board.

[whelk]

SSN just said we have lost 92pts from winning positions under Ralph. 

[trousers]

13 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

League 2 is a good place to start if they intend to remodel and rebuild the club on solid foundations from the ground up. However it will take a couple more seasons to clear the rubble to get the new build underway. 

[Mr X]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

SSN just said we have lost 92pts from winning positions under Ralph. 

I believe one of the worst records from winning positions if not the worst! Taking the lead with us equals postponing the inevitable!

[trousers]

10 minutes ago, whelk said:

SSN just said we have lost 92pts from winning positions under Ralph. 

I assume we were also near the top of the 'teams that score first' table when we were playing Ralph's mega-high-press-in-the-first-half-an-hour tactics during the first few years of his tenure? Since he pulled the plug on such tactics (after the Aston Villa defeat last season?) I would imagine we haven't scored the first goal of the game anywhere near as often as we use to? 

It would seem with Ralph that it's all or nothing, with very little in-between...

Edited 2 October, 2022 by trousers

[AlexLaw76]

 

Last 20 league games.  - LLLWLWDLLLLLDLWLDLLL

[ally_uk]

We should of pulled the plug during the international break. 

Ralph is just an stubborn mule with no plan B who makes baffling team choices and has a inability to shake things up mid game.... 

The amount of players who suddenly fall out of favour aswell across the last few seasons is also worrying. 

I would depart now and get Rafa in always wanted to see him at Saints reckon he would be a good fit for us with the correct tools 👍 

[Whitey Grandad]

50 minutes ago, whelk said:

SSN just said we have lost 92pts from winning positions under Ralph. 

We didn't lose any points because we never had them. 

[Paul Chuckle]

24 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

Last 20 league games.  - LLLWLWDLLLLLDLWLDLLL

This isn't correct, the D should be a W before the 3x L at the end. Not that it makes much of a difference.

 

Matthew Le God mode deactivated 

[saintant]

22 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

Last 20 league games.  - LLLWLWDLLLLLDLWLDLLL

The most damning thing about this is the three runs of consecutive defeats. In comparison there are no consecutive wins or even draws which is quite staggering. It's not a record that would give the owners of a Premier League football club any confidence in the guy masterminding these results. To let him carry on would appear tantamount to gross negilgence.

[whelk]

4 minutes ago, Paul Chuckle said:

This isn't correct, the D should be a W before the 3x L at the end. Not that it makes much of a difference.

 

Matthew Le God mode deactivated 

Important as what was published presumably with some effort by Batman is just incorrect 

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

The most damning thing about this is the three runs of consecutive defeats. In comparison there are no consecutive wins or even draws which is quite staggering. It's not a record that would give the owners of a Premier League football club any confidence in the guy masterminding these results. To let him carry on would appear tantamount to gross negilgence.

And those last 3 against 3 struggling teams whi have beaten us whilst still looking shit. Some of the play yesterday was comical for ‘best league in the world’. Looked conference level at times

[AlexLaw76]

8 minutes ago, Paul Chuckle said:

This isn't correct, the D should be a W before the 3x L at the end. Not that it makes much of a difference.

 

Matthew Le God mode deactivated 

I found it and read it the most recent results are listed first

[MarkSFC]

Apparently he's still in charge. Surely that's just rumour???

I wish I was as good at my job as he is his...

[Paul Chuckle]

14 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I found it and read it the most recent results are listed first

That's an odd way of listing them, but makes sense

[Badger]

28 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

We didn't lose any points because we never had them. 

Not sure if that post is calling out for MLG, or if you are him in disguise 

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, Pamplemousse said:

Thinking about it this morning and I'm starting to lean more and more towards making a change.

You look at the team and we are far better than where we should be.

No point making a change before Man City since going into that game rudderless would be suicide, and you never know, putting pressure on Ralph may actually see a reaction. Lose that heavily or lose the West Ham and I think at that point there's no option for the board.

I think today would be an ideal to sack Ralph.  Whoever is in charge has free hit next week.

The team won’t suffer from another week of Wreck-It, whoever is in charge.

I’m hoping that SR have prepared for this and there will be no need for an interim manager.

[Badger]

38 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

We should of pulled the plug during the international break. 

Ralph is just an stubborn mule with no plan B who makes baffling team choices and has a inability to shake things up mid game.... 

The amount of players who suddenly fall out of favour aswell across the last few seasons is also worrying. 

I would depart now and get Rafa in always wanted to see him at Saints reckon he would be a good fit for us with the correct tools 👍 

I was surprised he stayed after the end of last season. Seeing him on the lap of appreciation at the last home game he looked thoroughly dejected and disinterested. It looked more than just a disappointment to a defeat.

Having continued I agree that the international break might have been good timing for what has looked inevitable for some time. Shame, as he comes across quite well but can’t argue with continued results.

Not sure about Benitez though. I felt he survived in the Premiership with Newcastle largely on reputation, and the goodwill of having brought them back up. That said, he knows how to organise a team, even when down to 9 players to avoid a defeat (albeit against our team of pussies)
 

 

[Badger]

9 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I think today would be an ideal to sack Ralph.  Whoever is in charge has free hit next week.

The team won’t suffer from another week of Wreck-It, whoever is in charge.

I’m hoping that SR have prepared for this and there will be no need for an interim manager.

Will an incoming manager want a possibly heavy defeat at City as the starting point of their CV and time with us ? 
 

Doubt the replacement would be in place that soon anyway. But hope SR don’t follow the Les or Lowe route of “… quality of applications… making sure the right appointment…. No one’s ruled in, no one’s ruled out … “sort of bollocks we’ve had before. I expect they will be better prepared 

Edited 2 October, 2022 by Badger

[Wade Garrett]

18 minutes ago, Badger said:

Will an incoming manager want a possibly heavy defeat at City as the starting point of their CV and time with us ? 
 

Doubt the replacement would be in place that soon anyway. But hope SR don’t follow the Les or Lowe route of “… quality of applications… making sure the right appointment…. No one’s ruled in, no one’s ruled out … “sort of bollocks we’ve had before. I expect they will be better prepared 

Probably not, but the extra week would make a lot of difference for the West Ham game.

[Pamplemousse]

36 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I think today would be an ideal to sack Ralph.  Whoever is in charge has free hit next week.

The team won’t suffer from another week of Wreck-It, whoever is in charge.

I’m hoping that SR have prepared for this and there will be no need for an interim manager.

Tactically against the big teams we've done OK, we've gone in with a plan, take the two Man City games last season for example.

It's the West Ham and Bournemouth where realistically we need 6 points that I'm concerned about 

[Saint NL]

I half expected to wake to the news that he'd been fired.

I genuinely can't see how he's still in charge for the west ham game. 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

Why is this clown still here? Should have been sacked after the final whistle yesterday. Tried to give him benefit of the doubt but anyone thinking he will turn this around is deluded. He has been given too much time already. Get rid of him now please.

[Sfcphilc]

Only been to one game this season, massively in part due to Ralph still being here. IMO He should've gone in the summer. Like others have said we've gone stale, predictable and void of excitement. I believe ITKs said during the summer that if we were underperforming he'd be gone by the World Cup break. I'm hoping that info is true. Sport Republic can't be too happy how their summer investment is currently looking.

[Pamplemousse]

44 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Why is this clown still here? Should have been sacked after the final whistle yesterday. Tried to give him benefit of the doubt but anyone thinking he will turn this around is deluded. He has been given too much time already. Get rid of him now please.

Actually I'd argue he'd be the best placed to turn it around, which he did the season he replaced Hughes and the 9-0 season.

Of course, you could make the argument (which I agree with) that the current predicament is his fault but he has dug us out of holes before. This is one we shouldn't really be in.

[Alan Sugarfree]

20 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Actually I'd argue he'd be the best placed to turn it around, which he did the season he replaced Hughes and the 9-0 season.

Of course, you could make the argument (which I agree with) that the current predicament is his fault but he has dug us out of holes before. This is one we shouldn't really be in.

It’s starting to feel toxic now. In the pub beforehand all conversations were about him going following a defeat. During the game all you could hear were comments about how poor it was and Ralph doesn’t seem to have the answers.

His credit with even the most ardent cult members seems to be a zero now. I don’t see what hanging on any longer is going to achieve now. He’s not going to find the magic beans long term.

[Klaus Schwab]

4 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

League 2 is a good place to start if they intend to remodel and rebuild the club on solid foundations from the ground up. However it will take a couple more seasons to clear the rubble to get the new build underway. 

Dude, I don’t think I’ve ever read a post of yours that I agree with. 

Ever…

[Pamplemousse]

17 minutes ago, Alan Sugarfree said:

It’s starting to feel toxic now. In the pub beforehand all conversations were about him going following a defeat. During the game all you could hear were comments about how poor it was and Ralph doesn’t seem to have the answers.

His credit with even the most ardent cult members seems to be a zero now. I don’t see what hanging on any longer is going to achieve now. He’s not going to find the magic beans long term.

I don't disagree tbh. If he loses the West Ham game that's 100% it for me. Assuming we lose against Man City 

[CB Fry]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

Last 20 league games.  - LLLWLWDLLLLLDLWLDLLL

Needs more time to get his ideas across.

Also not his team all Claude Puel's fault.

[trousers]

1 hour ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

anyone thinking he will turn this around is deluded. 

 

1 hour ago, Pamplemousse said:

Actually I'd argue he'd be the best placed to turn it around

Yes, that's the conundrum... anyone thinking that Ralph can turn things around this time is actually on the side of history and/or reality, rather than delusion. He's done it before and it wouldn't surprise me if we were to string another set of good results together sometime again this season if he stays on. 

It's those 'new dawns' that have kept those us in the benefit-of-the-doubt club (aka the "Ralph Cult"... #chortle #sidesplitting) in the hope that each new dawn was a sustainable turning point rather than another false dawn. 

I don't regret giving him the benefit of the doubt over the last few years - he's given us some of our best performances and runs of form as any other manager I can remember - but his ultimate downfall is his inconsistency, given he's also dished up some of the worst results and runs of form in living memory too.

I think most of us benefit-of-the-doubters are now in the same camp as the told-you-so-give-me-a-medal brigade... something needs to change and Ralph's time is up. 

Edited 2 October, 2022 by trousers

[cloggy saint]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

LLLWLWDLLLLLDLWLDLLL

Isn't that a place in Wales?

[trousers]

1 minute ago, cloggy saint said:

Isn't that a place in Wales?

We have a winner! #postoftheday 😂

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

3 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

Isn't that a place in Wales?

Needs a few more L's in it before you can say that. I'm sure Ralph will oblige

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

6 minutes ago, trousers said:

I think most of us benefit-of-the-doubters are now in the same camp as the told-you-so-give-me-a-medal brigade... something needs to change and Ralph's time is up. 

I don't get why there has to be a polarisation of sides? Surely people saying he has to go have a very strong case? I have thought he needs to go for a year now based purely on what I see. Doesn't mean I'd be saying told you so or I'd be glad about it.

It's sad - he's a good guy but things are not going to improve and I do believe you're deluded if you think that's the case. He has had more than a fair crack of the whip and I honestly can't understand why he is still in the job.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

11 minutes ago, trousers said:

 

Yes, that's the conundrum... anyone thinking that Ralph can turn things around this time is actually on the side of history and/or reality, rather than delusion. He's done it before and it wouldn't surprise me if we were to string another set of good results together sometime again this season if he stays on. 

It's those 'new dawns' that have kept those us in the benefit-of-the-doubt club (aka the "Ralph Cult"... #chortle #sidesplitting) in the hope that each new dawn was a sustainable turning point rather than another false dawn. 

I don't regret giving him the benefit of the doubt over the last few years - he's given us some of our best performances and runs of form as any other manager I can remember - but his ultimate downfall is his inconsistency, given he's also dished up some of the worst results and runs of form in living memory too.

I think most of us benefit-of-the-doubters are now in the same camp as the told-you-so-give-me-a-medal brigade... something needs to change and Ralph's time is up. 

When Trousers gets off the fence and pronounces then the game is well and truly up. 

[trousers]

Just now, Fitzhugh Fella said:

When Trousers gets off the fence and pronounces then the game is well and truly up. 

I've been "off the fence" for a few weeks now... Keep up me ol' mucker...

[trousers]

8 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

I honestly can't understand why he is still in the job.

Probably because he's comfortably kept us up each season with zero player budget?

This season is a different kettle of fish of course... He's now got an owner that has thrown c.£70m into the player purchase pot. 

He *could* comfortably keep us up again or he *could* fail. The early signs are pointing towards the latter but, as I say, we've had similar 'early signs of failure' most/every season he's been here and he manages to turn things around. 

My gut feel is not to take the risk on him pulling off another of those turnarounds again this season and to twist rather than stick (which, of course, presents its own risks, but on balance, I'm now thinking we should go for a change)

Edited 2 October, 2022 by trousers

[Turkish]

23 minutes ago, trousers said:

 

Yes, that's the conundrum... anyone thinking that Ralph can turn things around this time is actually on the side of history and/or reality, rather than delusion. He's done it before and it wouldn't surprise me if we were to string another set of good results together sometime again this season if he stays on. 

It's those 'new dawns' that have kept those us in the benefit-of-the-doubt club (aka the "Ralph Cult"... #chortle #sidesplitting) in the hope that each new dawn was a sustainable turning point rather than another false dawn. 

I don't regret giving him the benefit of the doubt over the last few years - he's given us some of our best performances and runs of form as any other manager I can remember - but his ultimate downfall is his inconsistency, given he's also dished up some of the worst results and runs of form in living memory too.

I think most of us benefit-of-the-doubters are now in the same camp as the told-you-so-give-me-a-medal brigade... something needs to change and Ralph's time is up. 

This is it isn’t it. When it works, when everyone is fit in form and playing to their max then we’ve had some brilliant runs. However it’s just needs one or two parts to not be at their max then it all falls apart.

In his time here we’ve had 2 or 3 runs of 10-12 games where we’ve been brilliant, then the rest of the time we swung from poor to absolutely awful. 
 

this along with the fact he has for a long time felt right for us is probably why so many have been on the fence, it’s really only been the last few weeks that I’ve definitely gone into the Ralph out camp as I held some hope we might suddenly click again, but it doesn’t look like we will and the form over an extended period of time is only going to end up with relegation. 
 

It’ll be sad when he goes as it could have been different and overall he’s not done a bad job at all, it just feels like things are coming to an end now and it’s the right time to cut ties

Edited 2 October, 2022 by Turkish

[JRM]

Having had some good moments and bonded over his jazz hand post match celebrations it would be a shame if Ralph's era ends with a Ralph Out campaign with the whole crowd turning on him, better to go now. 

[Mr X]

How much compo will we have to pay ralphy?

 Maybe he should be paying us compensation lately 

Edited 2 October, 2022 by Mr X