Ralph Hasenhuttl

[Lee On Solent Saint]

4 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Agreed.

The manager and they brought on players for positions they were struggling with at the time. They brought in physical strength and players that wanted to win battles on the pitch.

Shame we didn't do that, instead of being obsessed with buying players that will hopefully turn a profit. At this point the only two I would have signed were ABK and Lavia. 

[Turkish]

Anyway I’m looking forward to reading another positive PR piece on TUI when Nick does his glowing match report saying how great everything still is

[egg]

6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

And weirdly they showed very similar unsuccessful styles of play. Odd that you'd get the same deficiencies over a long period of time from entirely different groups of players. It's almost like they're being coached in a similar manner and doing what they are asked... 

Yep. Whatever he's coaching the various groups of players to do isn't working. I'm not sure how anyone can argue against that. We need change urgently. 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Yep. Whatever he's coaching the various groups of players to do isn't working. I'm not sure how anyone can argue against that. We need change urgently. 

No quick fixes mate 🤣

[egg]

5 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Shame we didn't do that, instead of being obsessed with buying players that will hopefully turn a profit. At this point the only two I would have signed were ABK and Lavia. 

Yep. I'm not sure what signing that left back was all about. The keeper may come good in time, but I'd feel more assured with Forster in there. 

Edited 1 October, 2022 by egg

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, egg said:

However you cut it, we have 12 points from the last 60, sit a point above the relegation zone, and are playing shit.

Please explain what you think will happen if he's given time. How long will, whatever it is, take? 

I live in hope, rather than expectation, that some of these players, given time, will be an improvement on what’s come before. To put it bluntly, I wouldn’t have expected anything more from the players we’ve had up until now. If you don’t believe me, look at where our ex. Players have ended up.

Bertrand and Vest - Can’t get a game for bottom of the table Leicester

Long - Can’t buy a goal in the Championship

Redmond - Ends up in the graveyard of talent that is Turkish football.

Stephens - Unused sub for Bournemouth

Romeu - Signs for a team which finished 6th in the Spanish 2nd Div.

Valery - Signs for FC Angers

Ings - Comfortably Ralph’s best striker, averaging 13 goals a season. We’re forced to sell him, immediately drops his scoring rate to half that and gets dropped.

Bednarek - Let’s see how that goes.

If it’s Ralph’s fault, why have some of the better players we’ve sold under him gone on to be much worse elsewhere?

[Forester]

As a very loyal supporter of managers (I was opposed to firing Puel) I am clear that a change is needed, and switched to that view after the Brentford game last season.  The record during 2022 is truly appalling, the style of play and performance levels are going backwards not forwards and we need to pull the trigger early enough to impact on this season.  We only have two players injured, which is probably a better situation than most clubs in the division.

To my mind this is the perfect week to do it.  If we can’t get a new manager in for Saturday, install a caretaker for City which is a free hit match anyway.  Some won’t like this, but I am utterly convinced that both Dyche and Benitez, who are both available and achievable, would improve us.  The players look to me like they have switched off Ralph.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Yep. I'm not sure what signing that left back was all about. The keeper may come good in time, but he'll feel more assured with Forster in there. 

Agreed. Perraud is average but at least he has a bit of experience. 

[egg]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

I live in hope, rather than expectation, that some of these players, given time, will be an improvement on what’s come before. To put it bluntly, I wouldn’t have expected anything more from the players we’ve had up until now. If you don’t believe me, look at where our ex. Players have ended up.

Bertrand and Vest - Can’t get a game for bottom of the table Leicester

Long - Can’t buy a goal in the Championship

Redmond - Ends up in the graveyard of talent that is Turkish football.

Stephens - Unused sub for Bournemouth

Romeu - Signs for a team which finished 6th in the Spanish 2nd Div.

Valery - Signs for FC Angers

Ings - Comfortably Ralph’s best striker, averaging 13 goals a season. We’re forced to sell him, immediately drops his scoring rate to half that and gets dropped.

Bednarek - Let’s see how that goes.

If it’s Ralph’s fault, why have some of the better players we’ve sold under him gone on to be much worse elsewhere?

What does the fortunes of the players who have moved on have to do with how the players we have now are being coached to play, and how they are performing. 

[Wade Garrett]

Please fuck Ralph off now.  That was a shit afternoon for me.

[Lighthouse]

17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

So Newcastle's improvement was solely down to new players? Have you spoken to a Newcastle fan? 

Who said solely? Newcastle spent over £100m on transfer fees in January and Howe is a much better manager than Bruce, what's your point? 

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

What does the fortunes of the players who have moved on have to do with how the players we have now are being coached to play, and how they are performing. 

Because people keep referencing last season in their assessment of how we're playing. If you're going to do that, you have to look at those players objectively. I'd say they all played as well as they ever have under Ralph. Not one player has left and proven him wrong by being a breath of fresh air at a new club, like Tadic. They've all either signed for clubs well below our level, or signed for clubs around our level and under-performed.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Who said solely? Newcastle spent over £100m on transfer fees in January and Howe is a much better manager than Bruce, what's your point? 

For me, the point would be that they spent their money a lot more wisely than we did

[Disco Stu]

10 minutes ago, Forester said:

As a very loyal supporter of managers (I was opposed to firing Puel) I am clear that a change is needed, and switched to that view after the Brentford game last season.  The record during 2022 is truly appalling, the style of play and performance levels are going backwards not forwards and we need to pull the trigger early enough to impact on this season.  We only have two players injured, which is probably a better situation than most clubs in the division.

To my mind this is the perfect week to do it.  If we can’t get a new manager in for Saturday, install a caretaker for City which is a free hit match anyway.  Some won’t like this, but I am utterly convinced that both Dyche and Benitez, who are both available and achievable, would improve us.  The players look to me like they have switched off Ralph.

100% yes to Benitez!

[egg]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

Because people keep referencing last season in their assessment of how we're playing. If you're going to do that, you have to look at those players objectively. I'd say they all played as well as they ever have under Ralph. Not one player has left and proven him wrong by being a breath of fresh air at a new club, like Tadic. They've all either signed for clubs well below our level, or signed for clubs around our level and under-performed.

Please focus on this season. Talking about ex players in the context od what's happened so far, and what will happen without change, is frankly bizarre.

Is it really your view that performances thus far have been good enough? 

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Who said solely? Newcastle spent over £100m on transfer fees in January and Howe is a much better manager than Bruce, what's your point? 

My point was that in my opinion another manager could come in and get much better performance sout of these groups of players in a similar manner to the impact that Howe had at Newcastle even allowing for the fact that he was able to buy some players a few months later. 

[AlexLaw76]

Seeing as the owner and the rest were there today, would not be surprised to discover / to read soon that Ralph has been asked to depart.

Edited 1 October, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[egg]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Seeing as the owner and the rest were there today, would not be surprised to discover to read soon that Ralph has been asked to depart.

If I was a betting man, I'd have a wager on him being the next PL manager out of a job. 

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Please focus on this season. Talking about ex players in the context of what's happened so far, and what will happen without change, is frankly bizarre.

I'm more than happy to focus on this season, it's everyone else saying things like:

32 minutes ago, egg said:

However you cut it, we have 12 points from the last 60

If you want to talk about the last 60 points, then you have to look at who was available for 36 of the last 60 points. Otherwise it's 7 from 24.

 

7 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

For me, the point would be that they spent their money a lot more wisely than we did

Where does wisdom come into it? All the money we've spent this summer would cover the transfer fees of Wood and Bruno, that's not even taking into account the fact that they'd both sneer at our pathetic wage offer.

[egg]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

I'm more than happy to focus on this season, it's everyone else saying things like:

If you want to talk about the last 60 points, then you have to look at who was available for 36 of the last 60 points. Otherwise it's 7 from 24.

 

Where does wisdom come into it? All the money we've spent this summer would cover the transfer fees of Wood and Bruno, that's not even taking into account the fact that they'd both sneer at our pathetic wage offer.

I'll ask my question again.

Is it really your view that performances thus far have been good enough? 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

I'm more than happy to focus on this season, it's everyone else saying things like:

If you want to talk about the last 60 points, then you have to look at who was available for 36 of the last 60 points. Otherwise it's 7 from 24.

 

Where does wisdom come into it? All the money we've spent this summer would cover the transfer fees of Wood and Bruno, that's not even taking into account the fact that they'd both sneer at our pathetic wage offer.

That's not the point I'm making. We spent a fair amount by our standards, and can you say apart from ABK and Lavia that the others have improved the starting eleven let alone the squad as a whole? 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

That's not the point I'm making. We spent a fair amount by our standards, and can you say apart from ABK and Lavia that the others have improved the starting eleven let alone the squad as a whole? 

I have no problem with how we spent our money personally. I think it's a terrible error not to get in an attacking option but overall we have improved the team. It's why our continued poor performance is even more unacceptable than it was last year during our horrendous run. 

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, egg said:

I'll ask my question again.

Is it really your view that performances thus far have been good enough? 

No, not in the slightest. They've been awful and I've no doubt at all that there are better managers out there, just like there are better strikers than Che Adams, better 'keepers than Baz and better midfielders than AMN. If we've lined up a better manager then I'm fine with that but all this talk of him being an obvious lead weight, holding back players capable of far higher achievements is erroneous IMO. I've just been reading the match thread where you yourself said it might be worth trying a 41 year old 'keeper who was basically retired a year ago.

[egg]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

No, not in the slightest. They've been awful and I've no doubt at all that there are better managers out there, just like there are better strikers than Che Adams, better 'keepers than Baz and better midfielders than AMN. If we've lined up a better manager then I'm fine with that but all this talk of him being an obvious lead weight, holding back players capable of far higher achievements is erroneous IMO. I've just been reading the match thread where you yourself said it might be worth trying a 41 year old 'keeper who was basically retired a year ago.

My Big Willy comment was tongue in cheek. He shouldn't be near the team.

On the main part, I really struggle with the concept of a fan wanting to stick with a manager who he concedes is overseeing sub standard performances, because he can't identify a better available manager. If he's failing, which he is,  he has to go, which he should. 

[The Kraken]

This Saints team looks like it’s being led by a manager who has given up and is going through the motions.

In previous years under Ralph you could tell what we were about. High press, high energy, and players drilled to work for each other and play quick crisp passing football in tight spaces. We broke quickly and played high up the field.

Thats gone. Now we sit back, our defenders sit off and don’t attack the ball, we are ponderous in possession, and we don’t break quickly. I don’t know what we are any more as a team, we don’t have a style other than boring and fragile.

Life under Ralph has always been highs and lows, but we’ve been in a low slump for many many months now, and I reckon the manager is close to losing the dressing room.

Edited 1 October, 2022 by The Kraken

[Archers Road Stand]

I've just seen on twitter that since our 1-0 win against Liverpool in January 2021 we've won 15 out of 67 league matches. 

How does he still have a job?

[Wurzel]

38 minutes ago, Forester said:

To my mind this is the perfect week to do it.  If we can’t get a new manager in for Saturday, install a caretaker for City which is a free hit match anyway.  Some won’t like this, but I am utterly convinced that both Dyche and Benitez, who are both available and achievable, would improve us.  The players look to me like they have switched off Ralph.

Benitez is available?!?!. Never realised. And we're putting up with this sh|t sleepwalking us towards relegation every week!!

To be fair chances are we'll go down with him in charge as well but at least we'll have some fun on the way.

Get him in now.

[Dusic]

If Ralph teams aren't one of the most aggressive pressing sides in the league then whats his purpose?

That is his game and he isn't doing it.

He has been, understandably, impacted by past results but before I saw the circumstances and gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Today, I expected us to lose.

He has IMO done a good job overall, but after a long tenure in PL terms a change is needed.

We don't have a lot of quality so we absolutely need a gameplan. We currently don't have one that works.

This summer experiment with 3 CBs showed that he has lost his way and Chelsea aside, results this season show that its now more than a blip.

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

I've always been a defender of Hassenhuttl, but I must convince my support for him is beginning to significantly waver. Let me put this in context:

• I've been concerned for some time that there are too many fans too quick to sling dirt at our players and manager. I definitely feel that some of our poor support for the club has had a bearing on our many failings and that failure on our part has not helped the manager and players to gain confidence in what they are seeking to do.
• I've been supportive of Ralph because he has been so much better than what came before. Whatever anyone may feel about Ralph, he is definitely an improvement on Hughes and Pellegrino and the football we have played under him has until recently always been better thgan under Puel, albeit, Puel did achieve better results - in large part due to having a better squad.
• Our squad has had many limitations throughout the whole of the Hassenhuttl era and so it is hard to place the whole blame at his door.
• I have serious concerns about who we might get to replace Ralph - Parker? Redknapp? Allardyce? Pulis? No thanks to all of those! Benitez? Not really convinced. Tuchel? Maybe but doubt he would come to Saints - and there are many others who would fall into that same category.

However... we have changed our coaches and we have revamped the squad (albeit with a failure to recruit a good goalscorer and we have lost our key midfield lynchpin of many seasons) and our results have not improved. This is beginning to undermine my support for Ralph.

There is no question that performances and results need to begin to improve soon. If they don't I think the club will have no choice but to spin the wheel, sack Ralph and try to recruit someone else who maybe can do what he has failed to do. If Ralph manages to keep his job over the next few days, I believe the matches against West Ham and Bournemouth will have a significant bearing on his future (none of us expect anything other than defeat against City so, unless we avoid defeat that match probably doesn't make much difference unless it is another 9-0 or similar).

[Uncle Albert]

It’s time.

[RedArmy]

35 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

This Saints team looks like it’s being led by a manager who has given up and is going through the motions.

In previous years under Ralph you could tell what we were about. High press, high energy, and players drilled to work for each other and play quick crisp passing football in tight spaces. We broke quickly and played high up the field.

Thats gone. Now we sit back, our defenders sit off and don’t attack the ball, we are ponderous in possession, and we don’t break quickly. I don’t know what we are any more as a team, we don’t have a style other than boring and fragile.

Life under Ralph has always been highs and lows, but we’ve been in a low slump for many many months now, and I reckon the manager is close to losing the dressing room.

Probably because the entire pre season was wasted on a system we ditched after a few games because it was fucking useless for the squad we have. 

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

30 minutes ago, Archers Road Stand said:

I've just seen on twitter that since our 1-0 win against Liverpool in January 2021 we've won 15 out of 67 league matches. 

How does he still have a job?

This! 

His record is terrible. This season has pretty much picked up where last season left off, and that's after a fairly substantial investment in the squad.
The lineup today was probably our strongest, baring Lavia's injury and not starting Perraud at LB and we lost to Everton! Everton at home, FFS! They're easily one of the worst teams in the league. 
It's simple. Ralph has to go. Under his guidance saints have gone backwards. The board have invested in some great young players. Now it's time to get a manager in who can develop them - Cleary, Ralph is incapable of that. He's tactically naive and couldn't change a game if his life depended on it. 
1 point from Leeds, Wolves, Villa and Everton. For F***s sake. They're the teams you have to be beating if you're going to stay up. 

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Probably because the entire pre season was wasted on a system we ditched after a few games because it was fucking useless for the squad we have. 

He did that before as well. The season we lost 3-0 away on the first day he started the season with a completely different formation than the one he’d played the whole of preseason, so weird 

[Turkish]

Watch wolves sack Lage before we get rid of super Ralph 

[Pilchards]

Worst PL win rates (EVER)
Managers with 300+ games

Steve Bruce 27%
Tony Pulis 30%
Joe Kinnear 32% 
Alan Curbishley 32%
Mark Hughes 33%
Sam Allardyce 34%
Source: Opta

Currently our Ralph 22% in the last 67 games.

Looks like we are going for another record to add to the most double names!!

Seriously Ralph all the shit around us in the league have beaten us and you won’t walk so it’s time to be SACKED!

 

 

[Give it to Ron]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Watch wolves sack Lage before we get rid of super Ralph 

1 win in 15 guess who against 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

40 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

This! 

His record is terrible. This season has pretty much picked up where last season left off, and that's after a fairly substantial investment in the squad.
The lineup today was probably our strongest, baring Lavia's injury and not starting Perraud at LB and we lost to Everton! Everton at home, FFS! They're easily one of the worst teams in the league. 
It's simple. Ralph has to go. Under his guidance saints have gone backwards. The board have invested in some great young players. Now it's time to get a manager in who can develop them - Cleary, Ralph is incapable of that. He's tactically naive and couldn't change a game if his life depended on it. 
1 point from Leeds, Wolves, Villa and Everton. For F***s sake. They're the teams you have to be beating if you're going to stay up. 

This and this again. This year has been utterly miserable at St Mary's. Going up there for home games has been an ordeal with no pleasure or pride. That says it all to me. I don't mind losing if we play with heart or even cohesion, but most of the last 9 months has been simply ghastly. To keep Ralph any longer is just prolonging the agony which we all know has to come.

[harvey]

He's been a busted flush for the last 2 years who's been here way longer than he deserves to have been.

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

It’s going to take time, whoever’s in charge.

How many years are you going to give him? 
 

He’s had a fucking long spell for the modern game and he’s taking the club backwards. We’re as bad now as when he took over. Blokes a fucking fraud, the back room staff took the shite last season, when the buck stops with him. Average manager bigged up by some of our deluded fan base. If his name was Ralph Higgins from Barnsley you’d be calling for his head. 

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Watch wolves sack Lage before we get rid of super Ralph 

Yes but if Wolves do that who could possibly replace him. My understanding is there are no managers anywhere in world football who could take on a job at a middling Premier League club. No one at all.

[Turkish]

Just now, CB Fry said:

Yes but if Wolves do that who could possibly replace him. My understanding is there are no managers anywhere in world football who could take on a job at a middling Premier League club. No one at all.

Oh for Les reeds secret dossier of managers 

[WestMidSaint]

On the basis he’s still there after being pathetic for so long, I’m really not optimistic about him getting his P45 any time soon. 
 

I really can’t understand anyone thinking he should stay. Anyone who thinks that is surely a Nigel Pearson ostrich!

Pull the trigger ASAP you idiots 

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, WestMidSaint said:

On the basis he’s still there after being pathetic for so long, I’m really not optimistic about him getting his P45 any time soon. 
 

I really can’t understand anyone thinking he should stay. Anyone who thinks that is surely a Nigel Pearson ostrich!

Pull the trigger ASAP you idiots 

Apart from Lighthouse I don’t think there is anyone. Our fan base is rarely United but I think we must be at the point where 99% are agreed Ralph has to go I guess we might wait until after the city game to get someone else confirmed as we’ll lose whoever is in charge. 

Edited 1 October, 2022 by Turkish

[Saintscummer]

I’m honestly tempted to not go until he is gone. I’ve watched so many losses in the last 9 months both home and away. 
 

I have seen nothing that sign posts we are improving. No system, no structure and certainly the players aren’t getting better. In fact, they are arguably getting worse. 
 

it’s not our players. Does anyone really believe Brighton or Fulham have better players than us. 
 

he has had a good run. It quite simply needs freshening up. It’s stale. 
 

he should resign 

 

 

 

 

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, Saintscummer said:

I’m honestly tempted to not go until he is gone. I’ve watched so many losses in the last 9 months both home and away. 
 

I have seen nothing that sign posts we are improving. No system, no structure and certainly the players aren’t getting better. In fact, they are arguably getting worse. 
 

it’s not our players. Does anyone really believe Brighton or Fulham have better players than us. 
 

he has had a good run. It quite simply needs freshening up. It’s stale. 
 

he should resign 

 

 

 

 

People go on about Puels last 6 games, Ralph has lost 8 of his last 12 homes games and we’ve been pretty shit in all of them

[Dark Munster]

49 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Oh for Les reeds secret dossier of managers 

They are all Argentinian, with great hair and initials MP. Sadly he'll take his secret dossier to his grave with him.

[Whitey Grandad]

14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

People go on about Puels last 6 games, Ralph has lost 8 of his last 12 homes games and we’ve been pretty shit in all of them

Yep, just as bad.

[saintscottofthenortham]

3 hours ago, SaintJackoInHurworth said:

I've always been a defender of Hassenhuttl, but I must convince my support for him is beginning to significantly waver. Let me put this in context:

• I've been concerned for some time that there are too many fans too quick to sling dirt at our players and manager. I definitely feel that some of our poor support for the club has had a bearing on our many failings and that failure on our part has not helped the manager and players to gain confidence in what they are seeking to do.
• I've been supportive of Ralph because he has been so much better than what came before. Whatever anyone may feel about Ralph, he is definitely an improvement on Hughes and Pellegrino and the football we have played under him has until recently always been better thgan under Puel, albeit, Puel did achieve better results - in large part due to having a better squad.
• Our squad has had many limitations throughout the whole of the Hassenhuttl era and so it is hard to place the whole blame at his door.
• I have serious concerns about who we might get to replace Ralph - Parker? Redknapp? Allardyce? Pulis? No thanks to all of those! Benitez? Not really convinced. Tuchel? Maybe but doubt he would come to Saints - and there are many others who would fall into that same category.

However... we have changed our coaches and we have revamped the squad (albeit with a failure to recruit a good goalscorer and we have lost our key midfield lynchpin of many seasons) and our results have not improved. This is beginning to undermine my support for Ralph.

There is no question that performances and results need to begin to improve soon. If they don't I think the club will have no choice but to spin the wheel, sack Ralph and try to recruit someone else who maybe can do what he has failed to do. If Ralph manages to keep his job over the next few days, I believe the matches against West Ham and Bournemouth will have a significant bearing on his future (none of us expect anything other than defeat against City so, unless we avoid defeat that match probably doesn't make much difference unless it is another 9-0 or similar).

When is soon? The very first post in this thread is dated 25th October 2019 and it highlights the exact issues we are facing still now. Ralph is very likely the most fortunate manager in Premier League history not to have been pumped. Two 9-0's, baffling starting XI's, tactics and substitutions. He has ticked every box for the pump, but because he was given an insane contract we've held fire on the pump shot in vein hope of a miraculous turnaround. Well, guess what? Give him all the time in the world... It isn't happening.

[Jonnyboy]

4 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

When is soon? The very first post in this thread is dated 25th October 2019 and it highlights the exact issues we are facing still now. Ralph is very likely the most fortunate manager in Premier League history not to have been pumped. Two 9-0's, baffling starting XI's, tactics and substitutions. He has ticked every box for the pump, but because he was given an insane contract we've held fire on the pump shot in vein hope of a miraculous turnaround. Well, guess what? Give him all the time in the world... It isn't happening.

I always thought "pump" meant sex.

[SaintZamboni]

I’ve been a long time Ralph apologist. I still like him as a manager, I think he actually gives a shit and for a period he brought us some high energy, exciting football (even if we took some beatings on the way).

Today was the straw that broke the camels back. We had some moments and I’m still excited by the youngsters we’ve signed but mostly it was a rough watch. Disjointed, sloppy and no identity. I don’t want us to be a nothing side. 

When Ralph started he had lines drawn all over the training fields so he could instill the pressing cues. Why the fuck did they ever erase them? We’re purposeless at the moment and it shows. We know Ralph can do better and he’s not. Our form is torrid and we’re horrible to watch. 
 

Next weekend is a hiding to nothing so either go and perform (and inevitably lose) or go (resign/sack). Let’s find someone else who likes to press but maybe has some fresh eyes and ideas on the situation.