Ralph Hasenhuttl

[MAY-Z]

1 minute ago, Saint86 said:

Think this Everton game was probably the one he absolutely couldn't afford to lose.

He's utterly lost his way as a manager, came in playing a distinctive attacking 4-2-2-2 with a high press and the ability to beat teams. I don't even know what we've been doing these past 3 games.

I wouldn't blame the board if they were approaching another manager now and got the paperwork done whilst Ralph gets the team ready for city.

Urgh, we have to play city away next. Going to be grim.

I am happy we have city next as at least we aren’t pissing away more chances at points like we have the last 3 pathetic outings

[hypochondriac]

Feels like a tipping point today. If he isn't sacked this week or next then Sports Republic deserve to be relegated. 

[RedArmy]

We’re getting worse not better 

 

Time for him to fuck off. 

[Saints foreva]

You are an absolute clown if you continue to defend him. 

He's had his 9 lives. He should be sacked tonight and so should Semmens. 

The new owners should have their own people in charge of this club. 

[Sarisbury Saint]

Bye Ralph 

[Turkish]

Even more galling listening to the BBC pouring praise on Brighton. Described their performance today at a Graham Potter football with 5 shots of espresso. Everything we hoped we’d be

[hypochondriac]

we change half the team and play exactly the same. That means it's absolutely not the players but the system because they are all playing the same way. it's the managers fault. 

[OttawaSaint]

OUT OUT OUT!

[FarehamSaintJames]

He’ll still be here for some time.

Who would you want in, realistically?

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

we change half the team and play exactly the same. That means it's absolutely not the players but the system because they are all playing the same way. it's the managers fault. 

Yep different players same old shite. Take no joy in saying it but he has to go. 

[ally_uk]

I agree time to go I'm bored watching us currently. Whatever he is advising to our players isn't working time to go......

[Saint_clark]

We'll outplay City and get a score draw and he'll buy himself some time. 

[RedArmy]

6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

we change half the team and play exactly the same. That means it's absolutely not the players but the system because they are all playing the same way. it's the managers fault. 

Could also be that the squad is shite tbf 

[Harry_SFC]

No enjoyment watching us at the moment. We can't string more than two passes together and switch off at the vital moments. All this off the ball coaching Ralph does.. maybe he should try some on the ball coaching for a change?

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

He’ll still be here for some time.

Who would you want in, realistically?

Ridiculous question that's been answered on a number of occasions. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Could also be that the squad is shite tbf 

and yet we went on a run last year and played well whilst beating Chelsea this year. We are clearly capable of playing better than we have done in a large number of games. Too many games we have underperformed. 

[Greenridge]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Ridiculous question that's been answered on a number of occasions. 

I missed the answer(s). What were they? 

[Ralph Fastenbüttl]

You lot are routinely far too harsh on Ralph, but I've gotta hold my hands up and admit that I'm done. The squad has improved but the players have not and Ralph has certainly not. Time's up. We need a change. I really hope it's done tonight.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Greenridge said:

I missed the answer(s). What were they? 

there was a comprehensive list from someone on here about two weeks ago with about 7 realistic names on. whoever is suggested though, it's really not the job of the average fan to know all the relative strengths of foreign managers abroad. the Brighton manager seems like a great choice for them but most would have had no idea who he was for example. 

[Pamplemousse]

If you can get someone better in fine, but the fundamental issue we didn't sign a striker and sacking the manager will not change that major  major problem.

We didn't play badly today and we didn't deserve to lose. Losing to shite like Everton is demoralising and I think if we lose against West Ham (assuming we will lose next weekend) it would be very hard to me to say that we shouldn't make a change. That's my view anyway.

[Suhari]

I have strongly highlighted my views on RH: that he did an exceptional job keeping us up with a shit squad and a piss-poor backroom staff. And that he should be given a fair crack at the job under SR, with the new signings.

I was all for the 'review after 12 games ' idea. Give the man a chance with a more suited set of players.

Enough is enough now. The lack of cohesion, drive, purpose and press is incredible. What happened to the old RH 'lets be in their faces and hard to play against'? Where's the energy and youthful exuberance that this squad could deliver?

Ralph: you have been really very, very good for us. And I thank you. I mean it.

Sadly now it is time for a change.

I do believe in SR. And I expect them to do the right thing. God I hope so.

[Lighthouse]

11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

we change half the team and play exactly the same. That means it's absolutely not the players but the system because they are all playing the same way. it's the managers fault. 

That’s spurious logic; you could have Pep in charge of Poortvliet’s team, he could change half the team every game and they’d still have gone down. To me it says that there’s no magic fix no matter which team we put out.
 

Three players were making their first start today, it’s going to take time whoever’s in charge. Seven out of todays starting XI weren’t here last season, I.e. eight games ago. You can’t just throw together a team like that and expect cohesion from the get go, just look at Forest who’ve spent pretty much double what we did. Nobody is doubting we’re pretty poor at the moment but this is a long term project which is going to take time.

[Pamplemousse]

I put this in the Everton thread but I'll put it here - personally I'd stick with him for now. 

The major issue isn't how we played (we didn't deserve to lose) - we didn't sign a striker. That's not his fault.

But, if we do carry on losing, no matter how unlucky we've been (and I think we have been unlucky), it does get harder and harder to say that not making a change wouldn't be the right thing to do.

[Pamplemousse]

4 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

If you can get someone better in fine, but the fundamental issue we didn't sign a striker and sacking the manager will not change that major  major problem.

We didn't play badly today and we didn't deserve to lose. Losing to shite like Everton is demoralising and I think if we lose against West Ham (assuming we will lose next weekend) it would be very hard to me to say that we shouldn't make a change. That's my view anyway.

Oh I thought I put this in the Everton thread lol. Going mad

[Pamplemousse]

9 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That’s spurious logic; you could have Pep in charge of Poortvliet’s team, he could change half the team every game and they’d still have gone down. To me it says that there’s no magic fix no matter which team we put out.
 

Three players were making their first start today, it’s going to take time whoever’s in charge. Seven out of todays starting XI weren’t here last season, I.e. eight games ago. You can’t just throw together a team like that and expect cohesion from the get go, just look at Forest who’ve spent pretty much double what we did. Nobody is doubting we’re pretty poor at the moment but this is a long term project which is going to take time.

Agree with this completely.

[Give it to Ron]

12 points out of 60 and 3 wins in 28 and you are still thinking no-one could get a tune out of this squad!!

we were told that we were looking at players 6 ft and above yet play a midget at left back that gets targeted!

[sydenhamssocks]

10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That’s spurious logic; you could have Pep in charge of Poortvliet’s team, he could change half the team every game and they’d still have gone down. To me it says that there’s no magic fix no matter which team we put out.
 

Three players were making their first start today, it’s going to take time whoever’s in charge. Seven out of todays starting XI weren’t here last season, I.e. eight games ago. You can’t just throw together a team like that and expect cohesion from the get go, just look at Forest who’ve spent pretty much double what we did. Nobody is doubting we’re pretty poor at the moment but this is a long term project which is going to take time.

A long term project is something that’s not easy to pull of in the short term world of the premier league. ‘Throw a team together’ is exactly what’s happening   It’s not really spurious logic as hypo mentioned the system that Ralph operates. I presume it worked for him elsewhere, hence his devotion to it. I think there’s a lot of talent, albeit young, in the squad but footballers are sensitive souls it appears and the right managerial approach, inspiration, man management and support can make all the difference. I think with the right appointment soon, the players would respond and the ‘project’ would move ahead. As Neil Warnock said ‘ when the players have heard all your jokes and don’t laugh anymore, it’s time to go’   

 

[saintant]

38 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

He’ll still be here for some time.

Who would you want in, realistically?

Who would I want in? Well, there can't be many managers with worse records than Ralph and then add in two 9-0 defeats plus many hammerings, odd team selections and rumoured falling out with players/lack of man management skills and the list of who we'd want in must be almost endless.

[Saint-Reece]

Get no enjoyment out of going at the moment, been a big fan but he needs to go now. Different XI same shit, fed up with it. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, sydenhamssocks said:

A long term project is something that’s not easy to pull of in the short term world of the premier league. ‘Throw a team together’ is exactly what’s happening   It’s not really spurious logic as hypo mentioned the system that Ralph operates. I presume it worked for him elsewhere, hence his devotion to it. I think there’s a lot of talent, albeit young, in the squad but footballers are sensitive souls it appears and the right managerial approach, inspiration, man management and support can make all the difference. I think with the right appointment soon, the players would respond and the ‘project’ would move ahead. As Neil Warnock said ‘ when the players have heard all your jokes and don’t laugh anymore, it’s time to go’   

 

Indeed. last year Newcastle looked abysmal but then they got a decent manager in and looked transformed as a team. Absolutely no reason at all that we couldn't do something similar. 

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Indeed. last year Newcastle looked abysmal but then they got a decent manager in and looked transformed as a team. Absolutely no reason at all that we couldn't do something similar. 

That’s be the Eddie Howe we were told was useless got Bournemouth relegated etc 

[Dr. Kucho]

33 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

He’ll still be here for some time.

Who would you want in, realistically?

Peter Bosz (manager of Olympique Lyon and likely to be sacked soon) would be a decent coach. Problem is that he always sets up is teams to attack. Great against lower half clubs but we would be murdered by the likes of City and Arsenal.
 

Arne Slot is doing a great job at Feyenoord but don’t know if we could tempt him away mid season.
 

Thomas Tuchel could be an option if SR back him in January. 
 

Pochettino would be great to have back at the club, but highly unlikely. (Maybe if SR promise him he can leave if a top club want him). 
 

honestly doubt Ralph will be sacked soon, SR probably want a replacement lined up before they relief him from his duties.

[Greenridge]

10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Indeed. last year Newcastle looked abysmal but then they got a decent manager in and looked transformed as a team. Absolutely no reason at all that we couldn't do something similar. 

Not just the manager change. They made multiple upgrades on the playing squad he took over. 

[sydenhamssocks]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Indeed. last year Newcastle looked abysmal but then they got a decent manager in and looked transformed as a team. Absolutely no reason at all that we couldn't do something similar. 

Totally agree. The cry is always ‘who can we get that’s better’. In the main it’s not always about a ‘better’ manager,  it’s about a ‘different’ manager. With a different approach.  Whether he’s better or not comes with the performances and results as nothing is guaranteed. Everything is a gamble to a certain extent and I think Ralph has had his time. Fresh approach required for our clearly talented young players and probably one or two of the older ones would benefit too. 

[Turkish]

38 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That’s spurious logic; you could have Pep in charge of Poortvliet’s team, he could change half the team every game and they’d still have gone down. To me it says that there’s no magic fix no matter which team we put out.
 

Three players were making their first start today, it’s going to take time whoever’s in charge. Seven out of todays starting XI weren’t here last season, I.e. eight games ago. You can’t just throw together a team like that and expect cohesion from the get go, just look at Forest who’ve spent pretty much double what we did. Nobody is doubting we’re pretty poor at the moment but this is a long term project which is going to take time.

So using that logic how do you justify the shit performance at Villa when the only players who started who weren’t here last season were the keeper and Bella Kotchap who has probably been our best player this season.

[bangkoksaint]

53 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

No enjoyment watching us at the moment. We can't string more than two passes together and switch off at the vital moments. All this off the ball coaching Ralph does.. maybe he should try some on the ball coaching for a change?

You’ve copied and pasted this haven’t you from last season and the season before that!!!!

[sydenhamssocks]

2 minutes ago, Greenridge said:

Not just the manager change. They made multiple upgrades on the playing squad he took over. 

True. But they still had to be blended together and Howe might not have been up to that. But he seems to be so far. 

[Lighthouse]

19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Indeed. last year Newcastle looked abysmal but then they got a decent manager in and looked transformed as a team. Absolutely no reason at all that we couldn't do something similar. 

Other than the fact that we can’t go out and spend £95m on three players?

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So using that logic how do you justify the shit performance at Villa when the only players who started who weren’t here last season were the keeper and Bella Kotchap who has probably been our best player this season.

Because he went with substandard familiarity in Armstrong, Moi and Diallo, as opposed to starting a bunch of new players, like he did today. Plus Perraud wasn’t fully fit. 

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Other than the fact that we can’t go out and spend £95m on three players?

Because he went with substandard familiarity in Armstrong, Moi and Diallo, as opposed to starting a bunch of new players, like he did today. Plus Perraud wasn’t fully fit. 

So last game we were shit because we started the old players today we were shit because he started some new players 🤣🤣

[Give it to Ron]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

Other than the fact that we can’t go out and spend £95m on three players?

Because he went with substandard familiarity in Armstrong, Moi and Diallo, as opposed to starting a bunch of new players, like he did today. Plus Perraud wasn’t fully fit. 

So explain why not Djenepro then you know the one who did pretty well at left back.

Was our only half decent performance first half at Villa and then dropped completely today for a 5ft midget who Everton played 2 against and won everything in air!!!

 

I know you really can’t say one word against but explain that first half after working with them for 2 weeks. 
I don’t believe you honestly believe what you are typing!

[Greenridge]

15 minutes ago, sydenhamssocks said:

True. But they still had to be blended together and Howe might not have been up to that. But he seems to be so far. 

Indeed. It’s a combination of the above. Let’s not immediately make him out to be the new managerial messiah. People could make themselves look a bit silly with that argument. Remember he got his last club relegated. Something that Ralph hasn’t done. 

[Lighthouse]

15 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So last game we were shit because we started the old players today we were shit because he started some new players 🤣🤣

Last week dropping Moi was the answer and he should have started AMN instead of Diallo. Before that it was starting Aribo, or Mara, or Adams, or Perraud, or Stu, or ABK. Before that the five at the back was the problem. Before that it was the 4-2-2-2. Before that he was obviously going to start the season with McCarthy.

There is no quick fix to any of this. Today AMN looked like he was playing on a different nebula to the rest of the team. No manager can account for the fact that he had the best pass completion of any Everton player. It’s going to take time, whoever’s in charge.

[Give it to Ron]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

Last week dropping Moi was the answer and he should have started AMN instead of Diallo. Before that it was starting Aribo, or Mara, or Adams, or Perraud, or Stu, or ABK. Before that the five at the back was the problem. Before that it was the 4-2-2-2. Before that he was obviously going to start the season with McCarthy.

There is no quick fix to any of this. Today AMN looked like he was playing on a different nebula to the rest of the team. No manager can account for the fact that he had the best pass completion of any Everton player. It’s going to take time, whoever’s in charge.

No quick fix 3 wins in 28 how much worse can it get? What was our pattern today?

The only time we look decent is when we go hung ho and abandon Ralph’s sterile football .

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Last week dropping Moi was the answer and he should have started AMN instead of Diallo. Before that it was starting Aribo, or Mara, or Adams, or Perraud, or Stu, or ABK. Before that the five at the back was the problem. Before that it was the 4-2-2-2. Before that he was obviously going to start the season with McCarthy.

There is no quick fix to any of this. Today AMN looked like he was playing on a different nebula to the rest of the team. No manager can account for the fact that he had the best pass completion of any Everton player. It’s going to take time, whoever’s in charge.

However you cut it, we have 12 points from the last 60, sit a point above the relegation zone, and are playing shit.

Please explain what you think will happen if he's given time. How long will, whatever it is, take? 

[AlexLaw76]

New players, same shit.  We continue to need to score at twice to have a chance of points

[hypochondriac]

37 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Other than the fact that we can’t go out and spend £95m on three players?

Because he went with substandard familiarity in Armstrong, Moi and Diallo, as opposed to starting a bunch of new players, like he did today. Plus Perraud wasn’t fully fit. 

So Newcastle's improvement was solely down to new players? Have you spoken to a Newcastle fan? 

[FarehamSaintJames]

53 minutes ago, Greenridge said:

Not just the manager change. They made multiple upgrades on the playing squad he took over. 

Agreed.

The manager and they brought on players for positions they were struggling with at the time. They brought in physical strength and players that wanted to win battles on the pitch.

[hypochondriac]

33 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So last game we were shit because we started the old players today we were shit because he started some new players 🤣🤣

And weirdly they showed very similar unsuccessful styles of play. Odd that you'd get the same deficiencies over a long period of time from entirely different groups of players. It's almost like they're being coached in a similar manner and doing what they are asked... 

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Last week dropping Moi was the answer and he should have started AMN instead of Diallo. Before that it was starting Aribo, or Mara, or Adams, or Perraud, or Stu, or ABK. Before that the five at the back was the problem. Before that it was the 4-2-2-2. Before that he was obviously going to start the season with McCarthy.

There is no quick fix to any of this. Today AMN looked like he was playing on a different nebula to the rest of the team. No manager can account for the fact that he had the best pass completion of any Everton player. It’s going to take time, whoever’s in charge.

Yet despite playing all these different systems, formations and players we’ve been been shit since March, why is that?

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

And weirdly they showed very similar unsuccessful styles of play. Odd that you'd get the same deficiencies over a long period of time from entirely different groups of players. It's almost like they're being coached in a similar manner and doing what they are asked... 

the players change the formations change the coaching staff change the seasons Change but the shit performances continue with the only consistent being the manager. Wonder what the problem is.