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Ralph’s biggest problem is he’s obsessed with stopping the opposition scoring.

He would mess our own team up just to counter a dangerous player on one of our flanks.

Armstrong had a cracking game vs Wolves when he came on and he should of started right midfield to work with KWP.

Dejenpo should of been left midfield where he has been at his best this season. Putting him on the right side and adding Armstrong there became congested.

Ralph just can’t do the simple things anymore!

 

 

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Agree. Seems to have this belief that 'keeping it tight' (ie no attacking at all) in the first half will then transition to us nicking a goal and clinging on for dear life. Only thing possible with our budget etc etc. More adventurous managers would get more out of this crop of players. Still in the 'replace him soon please' camp, I'm afraid. Might be very costly all round if we don't.

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I suppose it's about time we had a poll on here - then we would know who's for him and who wants him out.

I have no idea how to set up a poll so must rely on A.N. Other. For me Ralph's time is up.

Is it one or two years ago that people were saying "give him more time he has not had time yet to work with his own squad"?

As many others have said "if we do the same old things in the same old way, why would we expect a different outcome"?

.... and to all those who say "Well he has saved us from relegation in every season since he's been here" the obvious riposte is that the hasn't got us anywhere near the top ten and Europe either.

Ralph = Mediocrity

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43 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

Ralph’s biggest problem is he’s obsessed with stopping the opposition scoring.

He would mess our own team up just to counter a dangerous player on one of our flanks.

Armstrong had a cracking game vs Wolves when he came on and he should of started right midfield to work with KWP.

Dejenpo should of been left midfield where he has been at his best this season. Putting him on the right side and adding Armstrong there became congested.

Ralph just can’t do the simple things anymore!

 

 

Not very successfully either!

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1 hour ago, DT said:

Agree. Seems to have this belief that 'keeping it tight' (ie no attacking at all) in the first half will then transition to us nicking a goal and clinging on for dear life. Only thing possible with our budget etc etc. More adventurous managers would get more out of this crop of players. Still in the 'replace him soon please' camp, I'm afraid. Might be very costly all round if we don't.

The problem is that his pressing system is so reliant on everything working, otherwise it falls apart. We've seen that in the 9-0s. Ely offering no attacking threat but keeping the system working is preferable to a humiliation.

We need to get the likes of Edozie up to speed with our defensive game so that hopefully he can do both sides

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2 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

I suppose it's about time we had a poll on here - then we would know who's for him and who wants him out.

I have no idea how to set up a poll so must rely on A.N. Other. For me Ralph's time is up.

Is it one or two years ago that people were saying "give him more time he has not had time yet to work with his own squad"?

As many others have said "if we do the same old things in the same old way, why would we expect a different outcome"?

.... and to all those who say "Well he has saved us from relegation in every season since he's been here" the obvious riposte is that the hasn't got us anywhere near the top ten and Europe either.

Ralph = Mediocrity

I would agree with that. Might be an okay guy but tactically I think he's very odd, and man manager wise he can't be much cop. Chooses wrong players for roles, doesn't seem very aware of needs to alter position, mid-game, doesn't really inspire. Think wheels may be in motion to look to the next person.

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3 hours ago, Pilchards said:

Ralph’s biggest problem is he’s obsessed with stopping the opposition scoring.

He would mess our own team up just to counter a dangerous player on one of our flanks.

Armstrong had a cracking game vs Wolves when he came on and he should of started right midfield to work with KWP.

Dejenpo should of been left midfield where he has been at his best this season. Putting him on the right side and adding Armstrong there became congested.

Ralph just can’t do the simple things anymore!

 

 

Agree, Ralph has become far too obsessed with stopping the opposition scoring at the detriment to any attacking ideas we might have. We are not and probably never will be a side that can defend well - we have improved with the acquisition of AKB so let's be glad for that and start to be more offensive from kick-off.

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I don’t think he’s a defensive manager in the traditional sense, he doesn’t really set teams up negatively or not to lose. However, he’s adapted to some of the thrashing’s we’ve received by not being so gung ho going forward. We seem to now keep the ball for the sake of it, as opposed to keeping it to move the opposition around and create overloads around the pitch. At their best his sides won the ball quick and early and then went for it, now if we win it, we’ll go sideways, backwards, sideways, allowing the opposition time to get set in their defensive structure. We are caught between 2 stools, not a Puel like team that are set up to defend properly, neither are we a Ralph at his best team that pressed early, aggressively and then went forward positively. The full backs don’t seem to play as high up the pitch as before, JWP must play half his passes backward, we’re nowhere near as dynamic as we used to be. 
 

I’ve always thought he was a bit of a fraud, all this Klopp of the alps pony, but I think it’s undeniable that he’s a worse manager now than he was upon joining us. Those 9-0’s have changed him, we’ve lost the best bit of him and the worst bit has always been pretty shite. I used to think he was an average manager over rated by a lot on here, he’s now a pretty poor one who’ll be lucky to see out the season. 

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On 19/09/2022 at 01:09, qwertyell said:

Based on nothing but a search on transfermarkt and a vague yet baseless feeling of some types that might interest us:

Dejan Stankovic. (Excellent player in his day). Serbian. Last club Red Star.

Domenico Tedesco. Seems to have been earmarked as a bright young coach (age 37) for a while, without an amazing record under his belt. Last club Leipzig.

Vladamir Petkovic. Experienced coach who managed an excellent Euro campaign for the Swiss 18 months back.

Paulo Sousa. A name that often comes up. Available.

Xisco Munoz. Got Watford promoted. Then, in classic Watford style, got sacked a few games into the next season.

Scott Parker. People within the game seem to think he's a really talented coach destined for great things.

David Wagner. Was the high-pressing, Klopp-esque hipsters' choice a few seasons ago. Frankly performed miracles with Huddersfield.

Pal Dardai. Another hipsters' choice from back in the day.

Xabi Alonso. Out of left field. An aspiring manager - only managed Sociedad B - but you've got to start somewhere. His intelligence and playing experience in a number of countries under great coaches would, you'd think, give him a shot at becoming a good manager.

Sean Dyche. You know it's going to happen.

Mauricio Pochettino. You know it's not going to happen.

 

Assuming we're prepared to pay a little compensation to snag a manager in work:

Jess Thorup. FC Copenhagen manager. Danish. Reunite him with Ruben Selles. How much compensation would Danish clubs really demand? Contract until 2024.

Thomas Thomasberg. Danish. Doing great things with FC Randers this season - top, unbeaten, after 10 games.

 

Then there's these beauties out of work:

Claude Puel

Mauricio Pellegrino

And everyone's favourite, Martin O'Neill.

 

(Should add, I don't think the club are going to sack Hassenhuttl anytime soon. The World Cup break will be the likeliest time to take stock.)

Don't laugh but I think if we asked Arsene Wenger nicely, he'd say yes. He likes working with young players and he probably feels he has "unfinished business" in the Premier League. Ditto Roy Hodgson.

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32 minutes ago, saintant said:

Agree, Ralph has become far too obsessed with stopping the opposition scoring at the detriment to any attacking ideas we might have. We are not and probably never will be a side that can defend well - we have improved with the acquisition of AKB so let's be glad for that and start to be more offensive from kick-off.

Agreed, but the concern is that for months and months now we’re not seeing any attacking ideas other than a trundle up-field, pass it backwards/sideways a few times and try to get someone to cross into an already crowded box against sizeable defenders most of whom are stronger than any of our ‘attackers’.  When I watch us advance I see a flat front 3-4 players, no movement off the ball, no-one willing to take a risk and/or players not working for each other to get an assist. Rinse and repeat.

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41 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I don’t think he’s a defensive manager in the traditional sense, he doesn’t really set teams up negatively or not to lose. However, he’s adapted to some of the thrashing’s we’ve received by not being so gung ho going forward. We seem to now keep the ball for the sake of it, as opposed to keeping it to move the opposition around and create overloads around the pitch. At their best his sides won the ball quick and early and then went for it, now if we win it, we’ll go sideways, backwards, sideways, allowing the opposition time to get set in their defensive structure. We are caught between 2 stools, not a Puel like team that are set up to defend properly, neither are we a Ralph at his best team that pressed early, aggressively and then went forward positively. The full backs don’t seem to play as high up the pitch as before, JWP must play half his passes backward, we’re nowhere near as dynamic as we used to be. 
 

I’ve always thought he was a bit of a fraud, all this Klopp of the alps pony, but I think it’s undeniable that he’s a worse manager now than he was upon joining us. Those 9-0’s have changed him, we’ve lost the best bit of him and the worst bit has always been pretty shite. I used to think he was an average manager over rated by a lot on here, he’s now a pretty poor one who’ll be lucky to see out the season. 

You have also backed the likes of Farage and Johnson so maybe not the best judge? Not sure how you can call him a fraud. He never called himself Klopp of the Alps did he? He calls himself a football manager, which is what he is. He hasn’t done a bad job with a very average squad overall. He has kept us up and given us some good cup runs, which most of us here are happy with given the clubs resources. I know you disagree but again most people I think see the new additions to the squad this summer as an upgrade. It has clearly been a blow to lose Lavia (not Ralph’s fault) and not to have signed a proven goalscorer (again, not Ralph’s fault). We have had two poor league games this season out of seven. Hardly the end of the world. We have two quality players to come back into the squad and the new kids look very promising. Fortunately the club seem to have faith in him and, for me anyway, it has been a pleasant change not to have a manager merry go round. Baring some catastrophe I can see him staying this season and possibly handing over to Selles or someone else from the coaching team a bit further down the line. Makes sense to me. If you and the Ralph out brigade get your way there is absolutely no guarantee that a new manager would do any better and if he does worse, which is possible, how long before you start slagging him off and calling for his head? Cheer up Duckie. No matter what happens with the club and the manager, at least you got your country back 😉 

One last point. Ralph has taken a lot of criticism and has been accused as being stubborn for not changing the way he plays. He is now getting flak for being too defensive. 🤔

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29 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You have also backed the likes of Farage and Johnson so maybe not the best judge? Not sure how you can call him a fraud. He never called himself Klopp of the Alps did he? He calls himself a football manager, which is what he is. He hasn’t done a bad job with a very average squad overall. He has kept us up and given us some good cup runs, which most of us here are happy with given the clubs resources. I know you disagree but again most people I think see the new additions to the squad this summer as an upgrade. It has clearly been a blow to lose Lavia (not Ralph’s fault) and not to have signed a proven goalscorer (again, not Ralph’s fault). We have had two poor league games this season out of seven. Hardly the end of the world. We have two quality players to come back into the squad and the new kids look very promising. Fortunately the club seem to have faith in him and, for me anyway, it has been a pleasant change not to have a manager merry go round. Baring some catastrophe I can see him staying this season and possibly handing over to Selles or someone else from the coaching team a bit further down the line. Makes sense to me. If you and the Ralph out brigade get your way there is absolutely no guarantee that a new manager would do any better and if he does worse, which is possible, how long before you start slagging him off and calling for his head? Cheer up Duckie. No matter what happens with the club and the manager, at least you got your country back 😉 

One last point. Ralph has taken a lot of criticism and has been accused as being stubborn for not changing the way he plays. He is now getting flak for being too defensive. 🤔

and you backed Corbyn so no one is going to listen to your views on what makes a good leader.

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15 hours ago, Ralph Fastenbüttl said:

Not sure whether "Poch is rubbish" or "Poch might come back to Saints" is the crazier take? Both are effing bonkers.

The first person who told me back in July that Poch was considering a return to Saints was a Spurs supporter, who claimed a few minutes later that he knew all about the Apollo moon landings being faked. Even he stopped short of arguing that Poch was rubbish. I think that answers your question.

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5 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I don’t think he’s a defensive manager in the traditional sense, he doesn’t really set teams up negatively or not to lose. However, he’s adapted to some of the thrashing’s we’ve received by not being so gung ho going forward. We seem to now keep the ball for the sake of it, as opposed to keeping it to move the opposition around and create overloads around the pitch. At their best his sides won the ball quick and early and then went for it, now if we win it, we’ll go sideways, backwards, sideways, allowing the opposition time to get set in their defensive structure. We are caught between 2 stools, not a Puel like team that are set up to defend properly, neither are we a Ralph at his best team that pressed early, aggressively and then went forward positively. The full backs don’t seem to play as high up the pitch as before, JWP must play half his passes backward, we’re nowhere near as dynamic as we used to be. 
 

I’ve always thought he was a bit of a fraud, all this Klopp of the alps pony, but I think it’s undeniable that he’s a worse manager now than he was upon joining us. Those 9-0’s have changed him, we’ve lost the best bit of him and the worst bit has always been pretty shite. I used to think he was an average manager over rated by a lot on here, he’s now a pretty poor one who’ll be lucky to see out the season. 

Agree, I don't think he's particularly defensive but he does seem to almost panic when we ship goals. He started the season playing 3 CBs because we were poor defensively, saying this was the formation he wanted to play long term, then picked Valery and Bednarek. Then he changed it because it wasn't really working. We now have Caleta-Car on the books and ABK showing how good he is so I personally don't think it'll be long before Ralph goes back to the 3 CB system.

 

What worries me most is that after nearly 4 years of Ralph, we still don't really have an identity as such. As you say we were a pressing side in the early days and that worked for us but whether teams worked us out or personnel got crapper or Ralph simply panicked from those big losses, IDK but something has changed. I like Ralph as a person but he does seem a bit stubborn.

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I think even a lot of the ones that thought Ralph was a good manager yet had had no backing are starting to lose faith in him recently..

It’s really starting to look like he doesn’t like players with any flair or creativity preferring long and redmond to boufal and gabby was a sign of things to come,, stuey has looked one our most creative and Clever midfielders yet has never really found himself that dominant in Ralph’s plans now,, we have Ely And arma all the time over the exciting looking edozie and mara, we just look devoid of any spark or excitement and this is down to his weird selections.

then you get him making out like new players like AMN etc have to learn our style etc jeez it’s just pathetic really isn’t it .. and I’m not even seeing that brilliant off the ball work by his favoured ones anyway 

like I said I actually give him a thumbs up for making us more solid this season.. but at least have 3-4 players who can create or have a bit of attacking spark every one on here knows moi etc isn’t gonna provide that 

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On 18/09/2022 at 18:09, qwertyell said:

Based on nothing but a search on transfermarkt :

Domenico Tedesco. Seems to have been earmarked as a bright young coach (age 37) for a while, without an amazing record under his belt. Last club Leipzig

Thomas Thomasberg. Danish. Doing great things with FC Randers this season - top, unbeaten, after 10 games.

Thomas Thomasberg are you confusing him with Thomas McThomasface ?

Tedesco - have read a few articles and yes was highly rated but I think he’s been sacked from his last few jobs. Is that a recommendation for him ? 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Agreed, but the concern is that for months and months now we’re not seeing any attacking ideas other than a trundle up-field, pass it backwards/sideways a few times and try to get someone to cross into an already crowded box against sizeable defenders most of whom are stronger than any of our ‘attackers’.  When I watch us advance I see a flat front 3-4 players, no movement off the ball, no-one willing to take a risk and/or players not working for each other to get an assist. Rinse and repeat.

Got to blame that fairly and squarely on Ralph and his coaches.

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Sports Republic have kind of made a rod for their own backs now.... They can't really go actually it wasn't the coaches... It was Ralph after all... Hence they will stick with him untill they have absolutely no choice...not sure when that choice will be forced upon them.. only huge dissent in the fan base may force their hand if another repeat performance against Everton 

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19 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Sports Republic have kind of made a rod for their own backs now.... They can't really go actually it wasn't the coaches... It was Ralph after all... Hence they will stick with him untill they have absolutely no choice...not sure when that choice will be forced upon them.. only huge dissent in the fan base may force their hand if another repeat performance against Everton 

Disagree.

If anything, they can say “we backed him in the summer with new coaching staff and a huge (for us) net spend in the transfer window. Results / performances aren’t improving, so we feel now is the right time to make a change”. 

I think it’s probably clear to all that the new men brought in aren’t Ralph’s men, as such, and we’re found / appointed by the club. It would be a fairly simple transition for a new guy to come in with maybe 1 new coach, of their own choice. 

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Managerial statistics[edit]

As of matches played 16 September 2022
Managerial record by team and tenure
Team From To Record
P W D L GF GA GD Win % Ref.
SpVgg Unterhaching 4 October 2007 22 February 2010 88 40 20 28 129 115 +14 45.45 [4][5][8][10]
VfR Aalen 3 January 2011 8 June 2013 93 36 28 29 115 107 +8 38.71 [11][12][36][37]
Ingolstadt 04 7 October 2013 30 June 2016 95 36 34 25 113 95 +18 37.89 [16][38][39][40]
RB Leipzig 1 July 2016 16 May 2018 83 40 19 24 150 116 +34 48.19 [17][18]
Southampton 5 December 2018 Present 166 58 39 69 226 267 −41 34.94 [22][41]
Total 525 210 140 175 733 700 +33 40.00
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11 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Ralph with the centre back duo of Fonte and VVD would be quite good to watch I reckon. Instead he had Vestergaard and Bednarek to work with.

 

5 minutes ago, Gingeletiss said:

He’d of played them as wide midfielders, or some such.

Clearly nonsense. He could have done, he picked the teams after all. But he didn't.

This thread really has degenerated. There were some good points made earlier, both pro- and anti-Ralph, but now it just seems like an angry mob, having a go.

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53 minutes ago, Piran said:

 

Clearly nonsense. He could have done, he picked the teams after all. But he didn't.

This thread really has degenerated. There were some good points made earlier, both pro- and anti-Ralph, but now it just seems like an angry mob, having a go.

have a heart... up until recently the "angry mob" had Redmond and Bednarek to vent their frustration at. 

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29 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I get it, just don't get why you continually bang on about him like he was Pep Guardiola when you think it was right that he was sacked all along.

 

 

Yes that’s exactly what I did 🤣 providing evidence that he wasn’t crap his whole time is exactly like saying he’s Guardiola level. Thick as pig shit 🤣🤣

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17 minutes ago, Nolan said:

Pure speculation, but If Hassenhüttl goes now, I can only think it would be because their preferred replacement is about to get snapped up by Leicester.

Perhaps, or someone else, but IF it's now, it wouldn't surprise me that it's to secure someone quickly 

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