Ralph Hasenhuttl

[Killers Knee]

• Paolo Vanoli
• Marco Rose
• Jorge Sampaoli

My top options from earlier in the summer

[Wade Garrett]

Ralph’s team selections and tactics are like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates.

[Lighthouse]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

What’s wrong with Moyes? We could do a lot worse

Sack Ralph, he’s had four years to build his team and has been dreadful since the end of February, only winning four league games.

Get Moyes in, he’s had four years to build his team and has been dreadful since the end of February, only winning four league games.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Sack Ralph, he’s had four years to build his team and has been dreadful since the end of February, only winning four league games.

Get Moyes in, he’s had four years to build his team and has been dreadful since the end of February, only winning four league games.

That's the most sensible thing you have written on here 🙂

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Sack Ralph, he’s had four years to build his team and has been dreadful since the end of February, only winning four league games.

Get Moyes in, he’s had four years to build his team and has been dreadful since the end of February, only winning four league games.

It isn’t Moyes squad FFS

[DT]

Might be a good time to approach Thomas Frank, if that's still in our thinking.

[egg]

11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Sack Ralph, he’s had four years to build his team and has been dreadful since the end of February, only winning four league games.

Get Moyes in, he’s had four years to build his team and has been dreadful since the end of February, only winning four league games.

Your commitment to Ralph is admirable, but Saints have been dreadful for a year +. West Ham haven't been. 

[egg]

15 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Ralph’s team selections and tactics are like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates.

I'm starting to wander if he writes down six different teams/formations, numbers them 1 - 6, then rolls a dice. 

[Mr X]

Bar another repeat of Friday nights performance I think Ralph is still here to stay he always seems to muster the absolute bare minimum for them not to pull the trigger.... That said it's a very low bar as Ralph wouldn't have survived this long anywhere else that's for sure 

[FarehamSaintJames]

Or we could suck it up til new year and get Potter after he inevitably gets sacked by Chelsea for not winning them the UCL by Christmas. 🤣

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, egg said:

Your commitment to Ralph is admirable, but Saints have been dreadful for a year +. West Ham haven't been. 

Indeed. West Ham have finished 7th and 6th plus for to a European semi final losing to eventual winners. We’ve been shite for all but two decent runs in two seasons. 

[egg]

Just now, Turkish said:

Indeed. West Ham have finished 7th and 6th plus for to a European semi final losing to eventual winners. We’ve been shite for all but two decent runs in two seasons. 

Yep. Genuinely can't understand the support for the bloke, and the criticism of a team who've been decent. 

[Lighthouse]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It isn’t Moyes squad FFS

Well, it’s one or the other, you can’t have it both ways.

10 minutes ago, egg said:

Your commitment to Ralph is admirable, but Saints have been dreadful for a year +. West Ham haven't been. 

I’d cross check that with West Ham fans, they’ve scored three points more than us in the whole of 2022.

I honestly don’t think Ralph is anything amazing, just that he’s done a competent job with the resources he’s had available, I.e. a relegation standard squad. I would have expected a squad of that standard to get relegated at some point over the last four years. They haven’t and Ralph takes some credit for that. If you don’t like those low expectations point the finger at Gao and Kat, for investing nothing whilst other owners threw half a billion at their club, and Les and Ross, for totally wasting the money we did have from selling our better players.

If people want to replace him then fine but some of the names being thrown around are bizarre. Dyche got a better squad relegated and was 15 point behind us when he was sacked. Moyes has been no better for almost a year, with a squad full of £25m+ players. Rodgers has been even worse, bottom of the league and two of our better defenders under Ralph can’t get near their squad.

[Dman]

7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Well, it’s one or the other, you can’t have it both ways.

I’d cross check that with West Ham fans, they’ve scored three points more than us in the whole of 2022.

I honestly don’t think Ralph is anything amazing, just that he’s done a competent job with the resources he’s had available, I.e. a relegation standard squad. I would have expected a squad of that standard to get relegated at some point over the last four years. They haven’t and Ralph takes some credit for that. If you don’t like those low expectations point the finger at Gao and Kat, for investing nothing whilst other owners threw half a billion at their club, and Les and Ross, for totally wasting the money we did have from selling our better players.

If people want to replace him then fine but some of the names being thrown around are bizarre. Dyche got a better squad relegated and was 15 point behind us when he was sacked. Moyes has been no better for almost a year, with a squad full of £25m+ players. Rodgers has been even worse, bottom of the league and two of our better defenders under Ralph can’t get near their squad.

I’ve not seen many advocating Dyche or Moyes to be fair, both are better managers than Ralph, but probably don’t suit the philosophy of the club. 
 

Rodgers would be perfect however. If you don’t think he’s an improvement on Ralph, based on nothing other than a bad start to this season, then you’re completely deluded. 

Edited 19 September, 2022 by Dman

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Well, it’s one or the other, you can’t have it both ways.

I’d cross check that with West Ham fans, they’ve scored three points more than us in the whole of 2022.

I honestly don’t think Ralph is anything amazing, just that he’s done a competent job with the resources he’s had available, I.e. a relegation standard squad. I would have expected a squad of that standard to get relegated at some point over the last four years. They haven’t and Ralph takes some credit for that. If you don’t like those low expectations point the finger at Gao and Kat, for investing nothing whilst other owners threw half a billion at their club, and Les and Ross, for totally wasting the money we did have from selling our better players.

If people want to replace him then fine but some of the names being thrown around are bizarre. Dyche got a better squad relegated and was 15 point behind us when he was sacked. Moyes has been no better for almost a year, with a squad full of £25m+ players. Rodgers has been even worse, bottom of the league and two of our better defenders under Ralph can’t get near their squad.

You want it both ways pal not me. I simply said what’s wrong with a manager who’s taken a team to 7th and 6th and. European semi final with someone else’s squad. Done much better than your hero

Edited 19 September, 2022 by Turkish

[Lighthouse]

23 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You want it both ways pal not me. I simply said what’s wrong with a manager who’s taken a team to 7th and 6th and. European semi final with someone else’s squad. Done much better than your hero

Right, so that "own squad," stuff is all nonsense then. Moyes took 'someone else's squad' to Europe but when he built 'his own squad' slid gradually and consistently down into the relegation zone.

If Ralph's squad is in 13th, Moyes squad is in 18th.

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Right, so that "own squad," stuff is all nonsense then. Moyes took 'someone else's squad' to Europe but when he built 'his own squad' slid gradually and consistently down into the relegation zone.

If Ralph's squad is in 13th, Moyes squad is in 18th.

What? If it’s not Ralph’s squad how can West Ham’s squad be David Moyes? Remember you’re the one arguing it’s not the manager squad 

Edited 19 September, 2022 by Turkish

[Lord Duckhunter]

47 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

 Dyche got a better squad relegated and was 15 point behind us when he was sacked. Moyes has been no better for almost a year, with a squad full of £25m+ players. Rodgers has been even worse, bottom of the league and two of our better defenders under Ralph can’t get near their squad.

You’re deluded. Burnley a better squad 😂😂

 

Rodgers has won the FA cup and got them into Europe twice, Moyes has got West Ham into Europe, they’ve got credit  in the bank to ride out a rough spell. Ralph has done what,? never finished in the top 10, been given 2 shallacings as well as plenty of embarrassing defeats. It’s been fucking ground hog day season after season, a few decent performances, a few meh performances and a complete of disgraceful performances season after season. The only thing that ever changes is the excuses  put forward by the cult. 

Edited 19 September, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter

[Wurzel]

14 hours ago, CB Fry said:

That doesn't answer the question that was asked. Why would he want to come back here?

He doesn't want to come back here. He's not coming back here. Get used to it, it is never going to happen.

I don't need to get used to it, I've never thought he would for one minute. But your post implied he wouldn't come here because bigger clubs will be after him. I was just pointing out that several bigger clubs could have signed him this year but none did, nor from memory were even seriously linked with him. The point I was making was maybe the likes of us, or Espanyol, are his level.  Maybe want he wants and what he'll end up accepting aren't necessarily the same thing.

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

What? If it’s not Ralph’s squad how can West Ham’s squad be David Moyes? Remember you’re the one arguing it’s not the manager squad 

Yes, that’s why I just said:

11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Right, so that "own squad," stuff is all nonsense then.

YOU are the one arguing that managers have their own squad, I don’t believe that at all. By that virtue YOU must also believe Moyes was better with someone else squad and is now in the relegation zone with his own. You believe this. Not me.

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You’re deluded. Burnley a better squad 😂😂

Dyche was there for ten years, Ralph has only been here four. Surely Dyche benefits from more than double the own-squaddiness?

Plus Pope, Tarkowski, Mee, Cornet, Barnes, J Rod, McNeil, Brownhill and maybe Taylor would all have made our starting XI last season.

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Yes, that’s why I just said:

YOU are the one arguing that managers have their own squad, I don’t believe that at all. By that virtue YOU must also believe Moyes was better with someone else squad and is now in the relegation zone with his own. You believe this. Not me.

So it is Ralph’s squad then? Even though you argued the toss earlier it wasn’t 🤣🤣

[Toussaint]

3 hours ago, The Cat said:

Is he definitely retiring? I thought that had changed.

No one knows if we'll get relegated or not. There's so many games to play and teams go through good and bad periods of form, plus there's an unprecedented break for the stupid world cup in the middle, another transfer window etc.

I don’t know if he’s still retiring, I assumed it was still his plan, I hadn’t heard different. Like most, I’m exasperated by his regression into bizarre selections and tactics, so have a real downer on him again.

[Lord Duckhunter]

9 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Dyche was there for ten years, Ralph has only been here four. Surely Dyche benefits from more than double the own-squaddiness?

Plus Pope, Tarkowski, Mee, Cornet, Barnes, J Rod, McNeil, Brownhill and maybe Taylor would all have made our starting XI last season.

Barnes, J Rod 😂 .Barnes only started 8 games for Burnley, but he’d make the saints side. Your defence of Ralph is getting funnier & funnier by the hour. Now he somehow managed to finish above the mighty Burnley, and without top top players like Ashley Barnes. 
 

So who are the 2 out of JWP, KWP, Tino, Salisu, Adams, Broja & Oriol Romeu that will get into your joint Burnley/ Southampton team? 
 

 

[Lighthouse]

20 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Barnes, J Rod 😂 .Barnes only started 8 games for Burnley, but he’d make the saints side. Your defence of Ralph is getting funnier & funnier by the hour. Now he somehow managed to finish above the mighty Burnley, and without top top players like Ashley Barnes. 
 

So who are the 2 out of JWP, KWP, Tino, Salisu, Adams, Broja & Oriol Romeu that will get into your joint Burnley/ Southampton team? 

Every game; KWP, JWP and Broja. If Long and AA can start games for us in the PL then so can Barnes and J Rod.

[Wade Garrett]

50 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Dyche was there for ten years, Ralph has only been here four. Surely Dyche benefits from more than double the own-squaddiness?

Plus Pope, Tarkowski, Mee, Cornet, Barnes, J Rod, McNeil, Brownhill and maybe Taylor would all have made our starting XI last season.

Thank God for ignore, with the absolute shit you’re peddling on here.

[Wade Garrett]

Anyone give me instructions on setting Lighthouse on ignore?  😂

[Lord Duckhunter]

7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Every game; KWP, JWP and Broja. If Long and AA can start games for us in the PL then so can Barnes and J Rod.

😂 so this is how you justify Burnley have a better squad, & 9 of them would get in our starting 11. I could counter by saying “how shite are Burnley, Dale Stephens got a game for them last season”.
 

The simple fact is that most neutrals will  think Dyche did a decent job keeping Burnley up in previous seasons, and had a pretty poor squad when they finally succumbed to the inevitable. To use finishing above Burnley as some sort of achievement really shows the thinness of your argument. 

[Ted Bates Statue]

5 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Name five realistic managers you think would come here now and make a difference?

*By realistic I don’t mean Mourinho, Klopp etc, I mean those without a club that could view us as a project for a couple of seasons and see us kick on, and then themselves too*.

There isn’t many out there. We aren’t a hugely desirable team but equally we aren’t the worst out there. Money what would entice a bigger name here and someone who could make a difference.

It's ridiculous how many people will spout names of top managers as potential replacements, as if they would give us a second thought.

 

5 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

 

I know I keep saying Poch and yes he has moved onto bigger things but I think he’d still consider us for the right price. He knows the club, the area, the fan base, he’s seen the owners are now in a position to spend money where necessary and his record is excellent with young players.

Yes I know I’m dreaming 😢

lol

[Convict Colony]

4 hours ago, Turkish said:

What’s wrong with Moyes? We could do a lot worse

thats the thing about the Brighton fella I bet on Friday not a single person on here would have heard of him, now most of us are nodding in agreement that he’d potentially be a good fit for us. With makes the claims no one could replace Ralph laughable 

See my post 3 up from yours from 8th August, do I win a prize 😉

Some random names

Djamel Belmadi ex saints - won Afcon 2019 and qualified Algeria to 2022 world cup

Roberto de Zerbi - out performed with Sasssualo got the playing nice attacking football  for 2 seasons and nearly qualified for europe - now at shatakar and won the league with them.

Urs Fischer - Got union berlin promoted into the budnesliga and the next 2 seasons got them qualified for european competitions. (top of bundesliga)

Marco Rose - Ex Red Bull Salzburg coach - did well at monchengladbach (I follow them) and then Dortmund took him but sacked him when they finished 2nd

Kasper Hjulmand - Danish national coach.

out of the above i think Rose would be the best - available and wants to play our way, has experience with a big club etc etc

Edited 19 September, 2022 by Convict Colony

[MarkSFC]

If SR do do the right thing and free up the rest of Ralph's life for him, very soon, I would suspect we would appoint someone who very few on here or even in England have heard of. I get the impression that Rasmus is extremely tuned in to a wide range of football leagues and will already have a short list and a very short list. 

Hoping for good news tomorrow!

[MrSJCook]

First time poster here, hope you’re all having a lovely bank holiday. Haven’t been watching the forums much over the weekend. Is there a reason why a new manager is being discussed. Rumours from the club or just unhappy fans. Haven’t watched the highlights from Friday but have heard it was a diabolical performance.

[The Cat]

59 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

See my post 3 up from yours from 8th August, do I win a prize 😉

Some random names

Djamel Belmadi ex saints - won Afcon 2019 and qualified Algeria to 2022 world cup

Roberto de Zerbi - out performed with Sasssualo got the playing nice attacking football  for 2 seasons and nearly qualified for europe - now at shatakar and won the league with them.

Urs Fischer - Got union berlin promoted into the budnesliga and the next 2 seasons got them qualified for european competitions. (top of bundesliga)

Marco Rose - Ex Red Bull Salzburg coach - did well at monchengladbach (I follow them) and then Dortmund took him but sacked him when they finished 2nd

Kasper Hjulmand - Danish national coach.

out of the above i think Rose would be the best - available and wants to play our way, has experience with a big club etc etc

Basing my opinion on nothing other than a quick internet search, I'm jumping on the Belmadi bandwagon. I liked him as a player, and he seems to have done well at whatever team he has managed. Plus he can rattle on about Southampton being his spiritual home or some other such nonsense.

[CB Fry]

3 hours ago, Wurzel said:

I don't need to get used to it, I've never thought he would for one minute. But your post implied he wouldn't come here because bigger clubs will be after him. I was just pointing out that several bigger clubs could have signed him this year but none did, nor from memory were even seriously linked with him. The point I was making was maybe the likes of us, or Espanyol, are his level.  Maybe want he wants and what he'll end up accepting aren't necessarily the same thing.

But that isn't his level. 

[Piran]

4 hours ago, Dman said:

I’ve not seen many advocating Dyche or Moyes to be fair, both are better managers than Ralph, but probably don’t suit the philosophy of the club. 
 

Rodgers would be perfect however. If you don’t think he’s an improvement on Ralph, based on nothing other than a bad start to this season, then you’re completely deluded. 

I am clearly deluded, then. I wouldn't have Rodgers manage my chicken run. He looks like a devious, horrible bastard to me, and how anyone can describe him as "perfect" is beyond me.

[Mr X]

26 minutes ago, MrSJCook said:

First time poster here, hope you’re all having a lovely bank holiday. Haven’t been watching the forums much over the weekend. Is there a reason why a new manager is being discussed. Rumours from the club or just unhappy fans. Haven’t watched the highlights from Friday but have heard it was a diabolical performance.

It was a horrendous performance no doubt, villa were only marginally better but still managed a goal, literally no one in our team played well & we barely strung two passes together, the villa keeper was literally a spectator! Think most think Ralph's time has come as he's both wildly inconsistent and wildly stubborn and most of the time just plain crazy with the lineups/tactics but don't think SR feel the same or he would have gone ages ago.

Edited 19 September, 2022 by Mr X

[CB Fry]

2 minutes ago, Piran said:

I am clearly deluded, then. I wouldn't have Rodgers manage my chicken run. He looks like a devious, horrible bastard to me, and how anyone can describe him as "perfect" is beyond me.

Fifth, fifth and winning the FA Cup is pretty perfect for a club Leicester's size, Celtic he did very well also, pretty perfect. No one predicted the second place he got at Liverpool, he began the rebuilding. Plus Swansea was pretty perfect as well.

He's done excellent work at four clubs in a row. Pretty rare.

[MrSJCook]

10 minutes ago, Mr X said:

It was a horrendous performance no doubt, villa were only marginally better but still managed a goal, literally no one in our team played well & we barely strung two passes together, the villa keeper was literally a spectator! Think most think Ralph's time has come as he's both wildly inconsistent and wildly stubborn and most of the time just plain crazy with the lineups/tactics but don't think SR feel the same or he would have gone ages ago.

Ah right, I see. It’s a difficult one to be fair. I’m not in the Ralph out camp but I wouldn’t say I’m Ralph in either. Not entirely sure who is out there to replace him currently. We do seem much better defensively, however, attack wise we are weak. I do feel we are approaching the limit of how far Ralph can take us. It’s already a crazy season with Leicester and West Ham in the bottom three. Can’t see West Ham being there in ten games time, there doesn’t appear to be three teams weaker than us this year. I think Nottingham Forest will be there but you’d think Leicester would bounce back with the players they have and a new manager. Although with the World Cup being where it is, this whole season is a bit of an enigma.

Edited 19 September, 2022 by MrSJCook

[Piran]

5 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Fifth, fifth and winning the FA Cup is pretty perfect for a club Leicester's size, Celtic he did very well also, pretty perfect. No one predicted the second place he got at Liverpool, he began the rebuilding. Plus Swansea was pretty perfect as well.

He's done excellent work at four clubs in a row. Pretty rare.

That may be so, but I still don't like him!

Anyway, I don't think that anyone who is  going to be selecting the manager for Saints will be taking too much notice of my opinion.

Or anyone else's on here...

[Wurzel]

50 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

But that isn't his level. 

So what is his level? Since PSG sacked him  Dortmund, Benfica, Ajax, Brugge, Marseilles, Shaktar Donetsk, Leizpig and Chelsea are all Champions League clubs plus Man Utd and PSV who don't seem to think he's their level. Or is he turning them all down  for something bigger? 
I think he's a 7/10 manager who can improve a club at our level (which he proved) but is not capable of taking a "big club" (Spurs, PSG) to the next level. If you feel differently we'll beg to differ. But I'm still not suggesting we would or should get him back

[Turkish]

25 minutes ago, Wurzel said:

So what is his level? Since PSG sacked him  Dortmund, Benfica, Ajax, Brugge, Marseilles, Shaktar Donetsk, Leizpig and Chelsea are all Champions League clubs plus Man Utd and PSV who don't seem to think he's their level. Or is he turning them all down  for something bigger? 
I think he's a 7/10 manager who can improve a club at our level (which he proved) but is not capable of taking a "big club" (Spurs, PSG) to the next level. If you feel differently we'll beg to differ. But I'm still not suggesting we would or should get him back

He took Spurs to a champions league final. Spurs are a big club but no where near as big as Man United, Liverpool, City with money now, champions league qualification every season is what they should class as a great season, he delivered that most of his time there. That is the next level for them.

Edited 19 September, 2022 by Turkish

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Piran said:

That may be so, but I still don't like him!

Anyway, I don't think that anyone who is  going to be selecting the manager for Saints will be taking too much notice of my opinion.

Or anyone else's on here...

He’s seems like a massive prick as a bloke but anyone that says he isn’t a good manager or a good fit for us is a little bit mental.

[CB Fry]

21 minutes ago, Wurzel said:

So what is his level? Since PSG sacked him  Dortmund, Benfica, Ajax, Brugge, Marseilles, Shaktar Donetsk, Leizpig and Chelsea are all Champions League clubs plus Man Utd and PSV who don't seem to think he's their level. Or is he turning them all down  for something bigger? 
I think he's a 7/10 manager who can improve a club at our level (which he proved) but is not capable of taking a "big club" (Spurs, PSG) to the next level. If you feel differently we'll beg to differ. But I'm still not suggesting we would or should get him back

He was sacked in July, so not even three months ago. He'll be on a sizeable compensation package, and it's pretty common for managers to have a bit of time between roles.

His level has not gone back down to the level of Espanyol or us.

Honestly this is just bizarre.

[AlexLaw76]

Pochettino or Tuchel will probably be the next Juventus manager, as Juve are shite

Edited 19 September, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[pimpin4rizeal]

4 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Fifth, fifth and winning the FA Cup is pretty perfect for a club Leicester's size, Celtic he did very well also, pretty perfect. No one predicted the second place he got at Liverpool, he began the rebuilding. Plus Swansea was pretty perfect as well.

He's done excellent work at four clubs in a row. Pretty rare.

Find myself agreeing with every word your saying today:) Rodger’s has done a pretty great job every where he’s been had Swansea playing some Barca like stuff as well.

how is he being written off as some disaster after a few games into the season is pretty nuts, rogers would be a real coup for us 

[Ralph Fastenbüttl]

Not sure whether "Poch is rubbish" or "Poch might come back to Saints" is the crazier take? Both are effing bonkers.

[woodsaint1]

Seen the word 'deluded' banded about this thread quite a bit. To think that Moyes or Rodgers (both still in a job at clubs much bigger than us) would want to come to us if they were sacked, is indeed deluded.

[cloggy saint]

I don't care how good a manager Rodgers is, he's a twat.

[ally_uk]

Only highlight of Ralph's stint at Saints is when he celebrated like a lemonade sandwich after beating Liverpool.... 

 

Needs to go now! Tactically is a clown. 

[Dman]

9 hours ago, cloggy saint said:

I don't care how good a manager Rodgers is, he's a twat.

And this is exactly why people call those who support Ralph ‘a cult’.

People seemingly don’t care about on field performance and care more about the manager looking ‘trendy’ or being nice. 

Personally I couldn’t care less if Brendan is twat. Appointing him would give us stability in the PL and improve our chances of finishing top 10 or even in Europe. 

That being said, I think he’s nailed on for the Villa job, should it come up.