Ralph Hasenhuttl

[Diabolus Ex Machina]

2 hours ago, Dman said:

According to the Ralph cult, there is no one, absolutely no one out there who can replace him. 
 

There’s absolutely no chance we could possibly appoint someone ‘left field’ from Europe, who’s seen to be a bit of a coup…We never do that, I mean look at our last managerial appointment…. 

I liked the look of Marco Rose, think he would have fit in well here and was available over the summer. Unfortunately has gone to RB Leipzig only 10 days ago so a missed opportunity.

[Dark Munster]

2 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Lol why would poch  want to come back here?

he’s a grade A manager now who will get the biggest clubs in football after him.. we were merely a stepping stone for his career..

We are probably about as attractive as going back to espanyol

This myth about him continues to baffle me. Apart from a couple of 1 horse races in France with a team costing about a billion more than anyone else there, he's won the square root of fuck all, and been sacked twice because of it.

And wanting him back is like wanting your ex girlfriend back who dumped you for a rich bastard, and who then ending up dumping her, but was lucky enough to find an even richer bastard, who then dumped her too. And you'd know she would dump you again the instant another semi-rich bastard showed any interest in her.

[Daft Kerplunk]

26 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

This myth about him continues to baffle me. Apart from a couple of 1 horse races in France with a team costing about a billion more than anyone else there, he's won the square root of fuck all, and been sacked twice because of it.

And wanting him back is like wanting your ex girlfriend back who dumped you for a rich bastard, and who then ending up dumping her, but was lucky enough to find an even richer bastard, who then dumped her too. And you'd know she would dump you again the instant another semi-rich bastard showed any interest in her.

Still hotter and better in bed than the current girlfriend 

[Dellman]

52 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

This myth about him continues to baffle me. Apart from a couple of 1 horse races in France with a team costing about a billion more than anyone else there, he's won the square root of fuck all, and been sacked twice because of it.

And wanting him back is like wanting your ex girlfriend back who dumped you for a rich bastard, and who then ending up dumping her, but was lucky enough to find an even richer bastard, who then dumped her too. And you'd know she would dump you again the instant another semi-rich bastard showed any interest in her.

But it would be exciting while it lasted 

[Wurzel]

4 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Lol why would poch  want to come back here?

he’s a grade A manager now who will get the biggest clubs in football after him.. we were merely a stepping stone for his career..

We are probably about as attractive as going back to espanyol

How many of the "biggest clubs" have appointed new managers since he left PSG? He's still available.

Edited 18 September, 2022 by Wurzel

[CB Fry]

35 minutes ago, Wurzel said:

How many of the "biggest clubs" have appointed new managers since he left PSG? He's still available.

That doesn't answer the question that was asked. Why would he want to come back here?

He doesn't want to come back here. He's not coming back here. Get used to it, it is never going to happen.

[Lighthouse]

4 hours ago, Dman said:

If he can’t get a tune out of players in our budget, then let’s get someone in who can then please 👍🏻

We’ve had pretty much the lowest net budget in the league and yet avoided relegation for four successive seasons. How is that not, "a tune"?

 

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

Classic saintsweb post, there are literally no players with ability between the levels of Armstrong and Haaland 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I’m having to exaggerate to try and make a point which you still don’t seem to get. You keep going on about, "his team," because the players were signed on his watch. How about Sebastian Haller, Patson Daka, Danny Ings, Ollie Watkins, Rodrigo, Raul Jiminez, Mitrovic or any of the other players who are £10m beyond our record signing?

[skintsaint]

Give it another game or two and Moyes might be available.

[Pilchards]

Moyes, Big Sam, Sean Dyce and Rodger’s become bad managers because they lose touch with the game.

You need fresh ideas and coaches that have the drive and passion for the game.

Maybe just maybe we might have the right guy already at the club who was brought in to work with Ralph as the board will know more than us. Get it done ASAP as it’s not working anymore with Ralph.

 

[CB Fry]

27 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

Moyes, Big Sam, Sean Dyce and Rodger’s become bad managers because they lose touch with the game.

 

West United finished 7th last season, Leicester 8th but yeah.

[Pilchards]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

West United finished 7th last season, Leicester 8th but yeah.

And now they are both on the verge of being sacked because they are at the bottom of the division.

Whats your point?

 

Edited 19 September, 2022 by Pilchards

[Dman]

3 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

And now they are both on the verge of being sacked because they are at the bottom of the division.

Whats your point?

 

Both would be a huge improvement on Ralph, Rodgers especially. 

[egg]

5 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

And now they are both on the verge of being sacked because they are at the bottom of the division.

Whats your point?

 

Leicester signed nobody and sold their best defender. Ralph was given money and bought loads of players. Leicester's bad start is hardly surprising and doesn't reflect on Rodgers at all imo. 

[Dman]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

Leicester signed nobody and sold their best defender. Ralph was given money and bought loads of players. Leicester's bad start is hardly surprising and doesn't reflect on Rodgers at all imo. 

It’s a really daft and simplistic way of looking at things. Poch was sacked with Espanyol bottom of the league, was he out of touch…

Even Sir Alex was under pressure at one point. 

 

 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

8 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

We’ve had pretty much the lowest net budget in the league and yet avoided relegation for four successive seasons. How is that not, "a tune"?

 

I’m having to exaggerate to try and make a point which you still don’t seem to get. You keep going on about, "his team," because the players were signed on his watch. How about Sebastian Haller, Patson Daka, Danny Ings, Ollie Watkins, Rodrigo, Raul Jiminez, Mitrovic or any of the other players who are £10m beyond our record signing?

So what exactly is your point? That the team will never truly be Ralph's because it's not like times of old when the manager really was the person who made transfer decisions? And because of that he isn't to blame for our insipid performances and string of unwanted records? I guess if we were top 6, he wouldn't be able to claim any credit for that either then? Personally, I have been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt this season but he is not improving. The Villa game was so poor I turned it off the TV. Clueless.

[AlexLaw76]

If the rumours from the ITKs are true that Ralph was under pressure before the season started.  Then there is extremely little to suggest he will/should keep his job.  

New owners, not convinced, utterly shambolic pre-season*, culminated in the horror show at Villa.  

 

*something very strange about pre-season, the formation used then and into the first 1.5 games. ABK left out at Spurs etc

[The Cat]

17 minutes ago, egg said:

Leicester signed nobody and sold their best defender. Ralph was given money and bought loads of players. Leicester's bad start is hardly surprising and doesn't reflect on Rodgers at all imo. 

The overwhelming consensus among their fans though is they want him out. If their bad start doesn't reflect on him does that mean they are wrong?

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, Pilchards said:

Moyes, Big Sam, Sean Dyce and Rodger’s become bad managers because they lose touch with the game.

You need fresh ideas and coaches that have the drive and passion for the game.

Maybe just maybe we might have the right guy already at the club who was brought in to work with Ralph as the board will know more than us. Get it done ASAP as it’s not working anymore with Ralph.

 

I’d disagree regarding Moyes and Rogers, they both had to endure the curse of the Europa league, it drains clubs that don’t have two “first teams”

[The Cat]

13 minutes ago, Dman said:

Even Sir Alex was under pressure at one point. 

In which case you'll no doubt agree Ralph should be given more time?

[egg]

Just now, The Cat said:

The overwhelming consensus among their fans though is they want him out. If their bad start doesn't reflect on him does that mean they are wrong?

Neither of us know the overwhelming concensus of their fans but I suspect many of their fans, like ours, sense danger and want change. As an outsider it looks as though he's taken that squad as far as he can, but that doesn't make him a bad manager. I'd have him here over Ralph in a heartbeat. 

[egg]

3 minutes ago, The Cat said:

In which case you'll no doubt agree Ralph should be given more time?

More time? He's been dreadful for a year. 

[CB Fry]

19 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

And now they are both on the verge of being sacked because they are at the bottom of the division.

Whats your point?

 

My point is as usual you haven't got a fucking clue.

Just lazy, TalkSport knee-jerk "they've lost touch with the game, they've got no passion" on the back of 7 whole games into the season.

Utter drivel.

And then the "he's the messiah" stuff about some assistant manager who has been in place for two entire months. Including being the assistant manager for Friday's debacle. Gee, what an impact he's made with his "passion" and "fresh new ideas". You'd never fucking heard of him at the start of June.

So what's your point?

[The Cat]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Neither of us know the overwhelming concensus of their fans but I suspect many of their fans, like ours, sense danger and want change. As an outsider it looks as though he's taken that squad as far as he can, but that doesn't make him a bad manager. I'd have him here over Ralph in a heartbeat. 

If he's taken the squad as far as he can then surely the bad start does reflect on him.

They finished what 8th last season, sold one player and now they are bottom. 

To me it seems like he should go, and take some time out of the game before coming back to another club.

[The Cat]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

More time? He's been dreadful for a year. 

I'm not arguing for Ralph either way, I'm pretty ambivalent at the moment.

I just don't think there's any point comparing managers, players or whatever to previous examples or circumstances at other clubs when they are all totally different.

[egg]

Just now, The Cat said:

I'm not arguing for Ralph either way, I'm pretty ambivalent at the moment.

I just don't think there's any point comparing managers, players or whatever to previous examples or circumstances at other clubs when they are all totally different.

I'm with you on the last part, but I'm not comparing Ralph to anyone. I'm looking at what I see as his clueless negative tactics, and a year + of  poor results and regression. I also look at Rodgers and Moyes and see managers who I would have here in place of Ralph. 

[Saints foreva]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

More time? He's been dreadful for a year. 

Tbh he's been largely dreadful since January 2021. 

[Lighthouse]

19 minutes ago, egg said:

Neither of us know the overwhelming concensus of their fans but I suspect many of their fans, like ours, sense danger and want change. As an outsider it looks as though he's taken that squad as far as he can, but that doesn't make him a bad manager. I'd have him here over Ralph in a heartbeat. 

Yesterday’s team, which lost 6-2 to Spurs, included Evans, James, Ndidi, Maddison, Tielemans, KDH, Barnes, Ihenacho, Daka and Vardy. They would ALL have gotten into our team last season. Vestergaard and Bertrand were two of our better defenders but can’t get near Leicester’s match day squad.

If this is, "as far as he can take," those players, what kind of results would he have got from Bednarek, Moi, Walcott and Long?

[egg]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

Yesterday’s team, which lost 6-2 to Spurs, included Evans, James, Ndidi, Maddison, Tielemans, KDH, Barnes, Ihenacho, Daka and Vardy. They would ALL have gotten into our team last season. Vestergaard and Bertrand were two of our better defenders but can’t get near Leicester’s match day squad.

If this is, "as far as he can take," those players, what kind of results would he have got from Bednarek, Moi, Walcott and Long?

Not sure of your point mate. I'm saying I'd have him here now.  Bednarek and Long aren't here. What Rodgers may have done with players that we no longer have is a pointless hypothetical. 

[Dman]

35 minutes ago, The Cat said:

In which case you'll no doubt agree Ralph should be given more time?

Ha! Touché.. but no; I think Ralph’s time is up. I’m not sure he’s right for us. 
 

I’m sure he’ll move on and do well elsewhere, but I don’t foresee it being here. 

 

19 minutes ago, The Cat said:

I'm not arguing for Ralph either way, I'm pretty ambivalent at the moment.

I just don't think there's any point comparing managers, players or whatever to previous examples or circumstances at other clubs when they are all totally different.

I Agree with this. It always frustrates me when someone says ‘x’ manager is poor because he was relegated or ‘y’ manager is past it because they're struggling this season. 

There are many factors which may cause a team to lose form. 

[Lighthouse]

13 minutes ago, egg said:

Not sure of your point mate. I'm saying I'd have him here now.  Bednarek and Long aren't here. What Rodgers may have done with players that we no longer have is a pointless hypothetical. 

My point is that he is achieving worse results with better players than Ralph has had up until this summer. It’s not a hypothetical, I’m talking about what he is doing right now, with better players. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

My point is that he is achieving worse results with better players than Ralph has had up until this summer. It’s not a hypothetical, I’m talking about what he is doing right now, with better players. 

It's a poor argument. His squad, at the club where he is manager, has got worse and as a consequence his results have got worse. How he would have done with players that we know longer have is entirely hypothetical, and pointless as they ain't here anymore. Anyways, we're on different pages - I'd happily see Ralph sacked today and Rodgers replace him. You don't have to agree, tis cool. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

30 minutes ago, egg said:

I'm with you on the last part, but I'm not comparing Ralph to anyone. I'm looking at what I see as his clueless negative tactics, and a year + of  poor results and regression. I also look at Rodgers and Moyes and see managers who I would have here in place of Ralph. 

I don't think Ralph's tactics are clueless. We're playing very much to his plans. Those are a response to 1) other tactics being utterly found out and 2) the subsequent tactics not being effective, never mind getting found out. We're set up not to concede many, hope to hold out and catch teams who leave space to exploit. A Saints team inviting pressure is asking for trouble. Deliberately not taking advantage of weak defences to stick to a rigid game plan is wasteful. Both lead to contained, uninspiring football for me. But it's not clueless. 🙂

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, The Cat said:

In which case you'll no doubt agree Ralph should be given more time?

To see out his last year before retiring and relegating us in the process? 

[John B]

13 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I don't think Ralph's tactics are clueless. We're playing very much to his plans. Those are a response to 1) other tactics being utterly found out and 2) the subsequent tactics not being effective, never mind getting found out. We're set up not to concede many, hope to hold out and catch teams who leave space to exploit. A Saints team inviting pressure is asking for trouble. Deliberately not taking advantage of weak defences to stick to a rigid game plan is wasteful. Both lead to contained, uninspiring football for me. But it's not clueless. 🙂

It is particularly difficult for his tactics to work if his players are not good enough our strikers and attacking midfielders are pretty poor are they not

It is hardly surprising we are getting poor results

We are in the PL for goodness sake but A ARmstrong  Djeneppo Adams Elynoussi as well as Mara Diallio Airibo are hardly top class PL performers at present compared with Maupay who scored for Everton yesterday

Neal Maupay - Wikipedia

Other teams have better and more exerienced players and SFC is finding it hard to compete

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FarehamSaintJames]

Name five realistic managers you think would come here now and make a difference?

*By realistic I don’t mean Mourinho, Klopp etc, I mean those without a club that could view us as a project for a couple of seasons and see us kick on, and then themselves too*.

There isn’t many out there. We aren’t a hugely desirable team but equally we aren’t the worst out there. Money what would entice a bigger name here and someone who could make a difference.

I know I keep saying Poch and yes he has moved onto bigger things but I think he’d still consider us for the right price. He knows the club, the area, the fan base, he’s seen the owners are now in a position to spend money where necessary and his record is excellent with young players.

Yes I know I’m dreaming 😢

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, FarehamSaintJames said:

Name five realistic managers you think would come here now and make a difference?

 

These posts are utterly pointless.  When the same was being said towards the end of Hughes' time here, no one suggest Ralph.  I doubt anyone on the Brighton message board had 'earmarked' the ex Shaktar boss before it made the papers....

We area premier league club, with all the riches that brings, good ground, excellent training facilities, fairly ambitious owners and a young squad with some excellent talent.  

[FarehamSaintJames]

I’m of the opinion now that a new manager would get more out of these players than RH will.

[Hawkswood]

1 minute ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I’m of the opinion now that a new manager would get more out of these players than RH will.

Yeah I agree with this now. I was a fan for a long time but that started to change in the middle of last season. I try and put myself in his shoes sometimes and see what he sees, in terms of player selection. Part of me thinks that he's waiting a few weeks to bed the new players in before he throws them in ( I'm not saying I agree with this). But maybe he isn't, I obviously don't know what he sees. What I find inexcusable is his continued selection  in the first 11 is AA and especially Ely. How he can't see what is blindingly obvious to everyone else worries me a little. Maybe he's trying to build his confidence? I don't really know but whatever it is it's to the detriment of our performances. I'm repeating what I wrote last season, I'll be happy if he turns it round but I can't see it and will be grateful to him for keeping us up during a turbulent period.

[The Cat]

41 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

To see out his last year before retiring and relegating us in the process? 

Is he definitely retiring? I thought that had changed.

No one knows if we'll get relegated or not. There's so many games to play and teams go through good and bad periods of form, plus there's an unprecedented break for the stupid world cup in the middle, another transfer window etc.

[Turkish]

10 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

We’ve had pretty much the lowest net budget in the league and yet avoided relegation for four successive seasons. How is that not, "a tune"?

 

I’m having to exaggerate to try and make a point which you still don’t seem to get. You keep going on about, "his team," because the players were signed on his watch. How about Sebastian Haller, Patson Daka, Danny Ings, Ollie Watkins, Rodrigo, Raul Jiminez, Mitrovic or any of the other players who are £10m beyond our record signing?

Oh no I get your point totally. It isn’t Ralph’s squad and never will be because he isn’t single handily responsible for scouting and signing every single player. And of course Ralph would love to have better players, players we couldn’t afford. It’s unfortunate for Ralph that he’s manager of a bottom third premier league club and not Man City then. Poor old Ralph. 

[Turkish]

25 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I’m of the opinion now that a new manager would get more out of these players than RH will.

How so, it won’t be their squad and like Ralph they’d want better players too. @Lighthouse has already told us this. 

[Lighthouse]

14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Oh no I get your point totally. It isn’t Ralph’s squad and never will be because he isn’t single handily responsible for scouting and signing every single player. And of course Ralph would love to have better players, players we couldn’t afford. It’s unfortunate for Ralph that he’s manager of a bottom third premier league club and not Man City then. Poor old Ralph. 

This is actually quite impressive, your post is dripping in sarcasm and yet everything you’ve said is totally true. I’m not joking, you’ve genuinely hit the nail on the head here.

[John B]

40 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

These posts are utterly pointless.  When the same was being said towards the end of Hughes' time here, no one suggest Ralph.  I doubt anyone on the Brighton message board had 'earmarked' the ex Shaktar boss before it made the papers....

We area premier league club, with all the riches that brings, good ground, excellent training facilities, fairly ambitious owners and a young squad with some excellent talent.  

I do not disagree with what you are saying but other teams have also squads of talent with more experience and with some outstanding players

 

I just do not think our squad at the moment is going to consistently perform well it may well do if they stay togeter next season it is going to take time

[Lord Duckhunter]

19 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Oh no I get your point totally. It isn’t Ralph’s squad and never will be because he isn’t single handily responsible for scouting and signing every single player. And of course Ralph would love to have better players, players we couldn’t afford. It’s unfortunate for Ralph that he’s manager of a bottom third premier league club and not Man City then. Poor old Ralph. 

If it isn’t Ralph’s team, it certainly wasn’t Mark Hughes’ team either, yet I don’t recall too many sticking up for him or praising him for keeping us up. 
 

The defence of Ralph is becoming laughable now. Although there’s less of them drinking the Kool-Aid, some have clearly jumped the shark. He’s had a long stint (for the modern game) in charge, his culture, his identity is stamped all over the team, and the fact nobody ever knows what we’re going to get performance & selection wise each week, is damning. He dodged a bullet in the summer, when his back room staff were blamed, yet it looks like more of the same. Whose to blame now, Doris the tea lady or the bloke that washes the kit? If Ralph is still here in 2045 Lighthouse will still be claiming “it’s not his team”. 

[Turkish]

21 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

If it isn’t Ralph’s team, it certainly wasn’t Mark Hughes’ team either, yet I don’t recall too many sticking up for him or praising him for keeping us up. 
 

The defence of Ralph is becoming laughable now. Although there’s less of them drinking the Kool-Aid, some have clearly jumped the shark. He’s had a long stint (for the modern game) in charge, his culture, his identity is stamped all over the team, and the fact nobody ever knows what we’re going to get performance & selection wise each week, is damning. He dodged a bullet in the summer, when his back room staff were blamed, yet it looks like more of the same. Whose to blame now, Doris the tea lady or the bloke that washes the kit? If Ralph is still here in 2045 Lighthouse will still be claiming “it’s not his team”. 

It wasnt Puels team or Pellegrinos team either. I wonder if Bournemouth fans excused Scott Parker for the 9-0 because it’s not his team. Can’t hear too many fans defending Rodgers, it definitely isn’t his team he even went public to say he couldn’t sign the players he wanted. Only poor old £6m a year Ralph had to struggle on with players he definitely didn’t want. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It wasnt Puels team or Pellegrinos team either. I wonder if Bournemouth fans excused Scott Parker for the 9-0 because it’s not his team. Can’t hear too many fans defending Rodgers, it definitely isn’t his team he even went public to say he couldn’t sign the players he wanted. Only poor old £6m a year Ralph had to struggle on with players he definitely didn’t want. 

Is Spurs Conti’s team? 
 

Im damn sure the manager would have held discussions with the new owners around their business plan, their philosophy, and how they wanted to run the club. I’ve no doubt had he not bought into their vision  then a parting of the ways would have taken place. No manager has 100% control over buying and selling players, so absolving the manager of any blame when they’re poor is just a cop out. A cop out that depends of the individuals view of the manager, when it’s Hughes he’s a pony manager, when it’s Ralph it’s the poor players he’s been given. 
 

[Convict Colony]

On 07/08/2022 at 09:08, Convict Colony said:

Some random names

Djamel Belmadi ex saints - won Afcon 2019 and qualified Algeria to 2022 world cup

Roberto de Zerbi - out performed with Sasssualo got the playing nice attacking football  for 2 seasons and nearly qualified for europe - now at shatakar and won the league with them.

Urs Fischer - Got union berlin promoted into the budnesliga and the next 2 seasons got them qualified for european competitions. (top of bundesliga)

Marco Rose - Ex Red Bull Salzburg coach - did well at monchengladbach (I follow them) and then Dortmund took him but sacked him when they finished 2nd

Kasper Hjulmand - Danish national coach.

out of the above i think Rose would be the best - available and wants to play our way, has experience with a big club etc etc

 

My list is getting smaller and smaller

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Is Spurs Conti’s team? 
 

Im damn sure the manager would have held discussions with the new owners around their business plan, their philosophy, and how they wanted to run the club. I’ve no doubt had he not bought into their vision  then a parting of the ways would have taken place. No manager has 100% control over buying and selling players, so absolving the manager of any blame when they’re poor is just a cop out. A cop out that depends of the individuals view of the manager, when it’s Hughes he’s a pony manager, when it’s Ralph it’s the poor players he’s been given. 
 

 

Personally I thought the sacking of Nuno was ridiculous as it wasn’t his team. 

It won’t be Contis team, does Levy make all the signings there? If so he’s a genius.  All hail Daniel Levy 👏👏👏

Edited 19 September, 2022 by Turkish

[manji]

Maybe it is time for Ralph to go but Rogers or Moyes no way. I like Brightons appointment of the Donetsk manager.

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, manji said:

Maybe it is time for Ralph to go but Rogers or Moyes no way. I like Brightons appointment of the Donetsk manager.

What’s wrong with Moyes? We could do a lot worse

thats the thing about the Brighton fella I bet on Friday not a single person on here would have heard of him, now most of us are nodding in agreement that he’d potentially be a good fit for us. With makes the claims no one could replace Ralph laughable