Ralph Hasenhuttl

[egg]

1 minute ago, Gingeletiss said:

Yes, but not having control.

But we'd still be paying him, paying compensation for a replacement and then paying the replacement. He'd also be hanging around the place. Apart from all that, it's a cracking idea!!

[CB Fry]

9 minutes ago, Gingeletiss said:

Surely the simple answer, is to demote him from head coach, to coach, and promote Selles. No pay off needed.

It's a shame both Roy Evans and Gérard Houllier are both dead because we could have brought one of them in as joint manager.

[Turkish]

3 wins in 27 now. Everton up next with no wins this season. Wonder how this ends up 🤔

[egg]

Just now, Turkish said:

3 wins in 27 now. Everton up next with no wins this season. Wonder how this ends up 🤔

There's an air of inevitability about it Del. For me, it's gotta be the end for Ralph if we lose it. Get a new man in and up and running before the West Ham game. 

[Kenilworthy]

Yes it will cost a substantial amount of money to sack Ralph and get a sensible and therefore expensive manager in. But we have in the kitty the money we didn't spend on a striker in the past transfer window. Yes that will mean less money to spend on a striker in January - but we could already be in severe danger by then. Sorting out a manager now who can get more out of our existing players is on balance perhaps the best use of the money.

[whelk]

24 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

It's a shame both Roy Evans and Gérard Houllier are both dead because we could have brought one of them in as joint manager.

Is Roy Evans dead?

[Turkish]

34 minutes ago, egg said:

There's an air of inevitability about it Del. For me, it's gotta be the end for Ralph if we lose it. Get a new man in and up and running before the West Ham game. 

It feels like the end is inevitable whatever the result. We’re limping on at the moment and have been since the start of the year. It feels like the Pellegrino era when everyone was expecting him to go then he’d get a positive result to delay the inevitable for a few more weeks. 

[rallyboy]

Pellegrino is one of the worst cases in history of a manager being given too long - he was too nice to be sacked and he should have gone much earlier.

Whenever clubs in trouble talk about giving someone more time, there is a limit.

A big win in the next match and we'll assume everything is cool again - in reality Ralph probably needs to string eight or ten good games together to convince anyone.

[Alan Sugarfree]

1 hour ago, egg said:

If he's got the thick end of 2 years left on his deal and he's earning £70k PW, that's £7m. Rumours are that he's on more than that though, so it'll be more than £7m. 

I’ve never understood people thinking if we sack a manager we have to pay up the remainder of their contract. There will be break clauses inserted. There’s no way it would be for the balance of his contract. 

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, Alan Sugarfree said:

I’ve never understood people thinking if we sack a manager we have to pay up the remainder of their contract. There will be break clauses inserted. There’s no way it would be for the balance of his contract. 

You’d think so wouldnt you. Agreed a severance package and it won’t be to pay up his full contract. a lump sum or one years wages or something. Still a lot of money but that would be sensible. But then this is football and there were rumours doing the rounds a couple of years ago that David Moyes was still being paid by Man United when he took over at West Ham, so who knows the truth. 

[The Kraken]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You’d think so wouldnt you. Agreed a severance package and it won’t be to pay up his full contract. a lump sum or one years wages or something. Still a lot of money but that would be sensible. But then this is football and there were rumours doing the rounds a couple of years ago that David Moyes was still being paid by Man United when he took over at West Ham, so who knows the truth. 

Pretty sure I read somewhere that Saints did the same with Mark Hughes. Now that was money well spent.

[MarkSFC]

It's funny how people are assuming sny managerial change and therefore cost comes out of the "striker money". None of us knows what the budget is and what level of cold hard investment SR are willing to make. Changing the manager to then not sign a striker or downgrade the quality makes no sense at all. 

I'm sure if they want to part ways with Ralph they will and it will not affect the recruitment plan. 

I hope it happens very soon (next day or so). I would love apoch back however unlikely most feel that might be, but who knows, he's done the bigger club, and he's some the huge club, maybe he fancies a proper project?!

Even if not him, we need change. 

[egg]

17 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You’d think so wouldnt you. Agreed a severance package and it won’t be to pay up his full contract. a lump sum or one years wages or something. Still a lot of money but that would be sensible. But then this is football and there were rumours doing the rounds a couple of years ago that David Moyes was still being paid by Man United when he took over at West Ham, so who knows the truth. 

I think the truth is that every case is different, but, football standard is a fixed term. Ralph has relocated to another country and you'd imagine he'd have a contract that gives him more security than it gives us flexibility.

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, egg said:

I think the truth is that every case is different, but, football standard is a fixed term. Ralph has relocated to another country and you'd imagine he'd have a contract that gives him more security than it gives us flexibility.

Especially as we were desperate to get him, didn’t he originally turn us down?

[Daft Kerplunk]

1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

Pellegrino is one of the worst cases in history of a manager being given too long - he was too nice to be sacked and he should have gone much earlier.

Whenever clubs in trouble talk about giving someone more time, there is a limit.

A big win in the next match and we'll assume everything is cool again - in reality Ralph probably needs to string eight or ten good games together to convince anyone.

I’d prefer a season of good, or at least committed performances if possible 

[Lord Duckhunter]

26 minutes ago, egg said:

I think the truth is that every case is different, but, football standard is a fixed term. Ralph has relocated to another country and you'd imagine he'd have a contract that gives him more security than it gives us flexibility.

My understand is most contracts have a fixed term for payments, but that this won’t necessarily mean the contract is paid up in full. For example, 5 year contract signed, with 2 year severance pay. So somebody sacked in year 2 will get 2 years money, not the 3 left on his contract. 

[Wade Garrett]

14 hours ago, Pilchards said:

Ralph will not walk as he needs the payoff, The club need to sack him Tuesday and I’m pretty sure they will and should have a plan in place if they do.

I doubt they will pay him off and poach another club by paying compensation as it would cost in the region of 15m to replace Ralph.

So who’s out there ready to step in?!?

Tuesday can’t come quickly enough.  Glad I won’t be at my desk, otherwise I would be F5ing every 5 minutes.

Any reason you’re so sure? apart from the obvious that Ralph is garbage, but it’s a big leap from that to SR getting rid.

[beatlesaint]

3 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Tuesday can’t come quickly enough.  Glad I won’t be at my desk, otherwise I would be F5ing every 5 minutes.

Any reason you’re so sure? apart from the obvious that Ralph is garbage, but it’s a big leap from that to SR getting rid.

I do wonder what the owners will make of a manager who stated last season that he didn’t have enough quality or options yet when he is presented with 8 new signings to pick from (not counting the injured Lavia) he chooses a team that consists of 9 players he had last season and one signing apparently not good enough for the bench cos he doesn’t play Ralph’s way.

[Dellman]

9 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

I do wonder what the owners will make of a manager who stated last season that he didn’t have enough quality or options yet when he is presented with 8 new signings to pick from (not counting the injured Lavia) he chooses a team that consists of 9 players he had last season and one signing apparently not good enough for the bench cos he doesn’t play Ralph’s way.

If Poch was lined up to come here I would be ready to thank Ralph with a good farewell chq but apart from Poch there is no one I know of that I would prefer---imagine the likes of Fat Sam or any of the guys who have already been sacked multiple times and go round and round the circuit. Be careful what you wish for!

[aintforever]

16 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

I do wonder what the owners will make of a manager who stated last season that he didn’t have enough quality or options yet when he is presented with 8 new signings to pick from (not counting the injured Lavia) he chooses a team that consists of 9 players he had last season and one signing apparently not good enough for the bench cos he doesn’t play Ralph’s way.

It would be interesting to know how much say he has in who gets signed, if he hand picked every one then there is no excuse. I get the impression he's not over the moon at being handed a bunch of kids so is playing the old faces to make a point. If I was JWP I wouldn't be happy, at his stage of his career he should be playing in Europe not spoon-feeding a bunch or teenagers.

Edited 18 September, 2022 by aintforever

[Lord Duckhunter]

57 minutes ago, Dellman said:

imagine the likes of Fat Sam or any of the guys who have already been sacked multiple times and go round and round the circuit. Be careful what you wish for!

What on earth makes you think Fat Sam or any other dinosaur would be appointed? 
This is a pony argument, completely and utterly.

Keep Ralph because we may get fat Sam, Arry, Steve Bruce or Alan Curbishley. You’ve sold me!!!!!!!Ralph in 

[stknowle]

5 hours ago, Alan Sugarfree said:

I’ve never understood people thinking if we sack a manager we have to pay up the remainder of their contract. There will be break clauses inserted. There’s no way it would be for the balance of his contract. 

Personally speaking I won’t entertain any sort of contract that doesn’t guarantee that I get paid up 3 years salary if I turn out to be shit and get the sack.

[qwertyell]

19 hours ago, Pilchards said:

Ralph will not walk as he needs the payoff, The club need to sack him Tuesday and I’m pretty sure they will and should have a plan in place if they do.

I doubt they will pay him off and poach another club by paying compensation as it would cost in the region of 15m to replace Ralph.

So who’s out there ready to step in?!?

Based on nothing but a search on transfermarkt and a vague yet baseless feeling of some types that might interest us:

Dejan Stankovic. (Excellent player in his day). Serbian. Last club Red Star.

Domenico Tedesco. Seems to have been earmarked as a bright young coach (age 37) for a while, without an amazing record under his belt. Last club Leipzig.

Vladamir Petkovic. Experienced coach who managed an excellent Euro campaign for the Swiss 18 months back.

Paulo Sousa. A name that often comes up. Available.

Xisco Munoz. Got Watford promoted. Then, in classic Watford style, got sacked a few games into the next season.

Scott Parker. People within the game seem to think he's a really talented coach destined for great things.

David Wagner. Was the high-pressing, Klopp-esque hipsters' choice a few seasons ago. Frankly performed miracles with Huddersfield.

Pal Dardai. Another hipsters' choice from back in the day.

Xabi Alonso. Out of left field. An aspiring manager - only managed Sociedad B - but you've got to start somewhere. His intelligence and playing experience in a number of countries under great coaches would, you'd think, give him a shot at becoming a good manager.

Sean Dyche. You know it's going to happen.

Mauricio Pochettino. You know it's not going to happen.

 

Assuming we're prepared to pay a little compensation to snag a manager in work:

Jess Thorup. FC Copenhagen manager. Danish. Reunite him with Ruben Selles. How much compensation would Danish clubs really demand? Contract until 2024.

Thomas Thomasberg. Danish. Doing great things with FC Randers this season - top, unbeaten, after 10 games.

 

Then there's these beauties out of work:

Claude Puel

Mauricio Pellegrino

And everyone's favourite, Martin O'Neill.

 

(Should add, I don't think the club are going to sack Hassenhuttl anytime soon. The World Cup break will be the likeliest time to take stock.)

Edited 18 September, 2022 by qwertyell

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

It would be interesting to know how much say he has in who gets signed, if he hand picked every one then there is no excuse. I get the impression he's not over the moon at being handed a bunch of kids so is playing the old faces to make a point. If I was JWP I wouldn't be happy, at his stage of his career he should be playing in Europe not spoon-feeding a bunch or teenagers.

So it’s still not his squad then?

[Dman]

8 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What on earth makes you think Fat Sam or any other dinosaur would be appointed? 
This is a pony argument, completely and utterly.

Keep Ralph because we may get fat Sam, Arry, Steve Bruce or Alan Curbishley. You’ve sold me!!!!!!!Ralph in 

According to the Ralph cult, there is no one, absolutely no one out there who can replace him. 
 

There’s absolutely no chance we could possibly appoint someone ‘left field’ from Europe, who’s seen to be a bit of a coup…We never do that, I mean look at our last managerial appointment…. 

[Dman]

1 minute ago, qwertyell said:

 

Mauricio Pochettino. You know it's not going to happen.

 

 

 

This clearly won’t happen, we all know that. However, I find it really interesting to see where his next move will be. 
 

Seemingly not getting the major jobs, having recently rejected by Chelsea and United. Has said previously he won’t manage Arsenal and Barca. 
 

other than perhaps Italy, I just don’t see where his next move will be…? Back to Tottenham? 
 

I don’t think it’s as unrealistic as it seems for him to join a club like ours, but again, I don’t think (actually I know), he wouldn’t come back here. 
 

We can all dream though… right. 

[Dman]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

It would be interesting to know how much say he has in who gets signed, if he hand picked every one then there is no excuse. I get the impression he's not over the moon at being handed a bunch of kids so is playing the old faces to make a point. If I was JWP I wouldn't be happy, at his stage of his career he should be playing in Europe not spoon-feeding a bunch or teenagers.

If a big European club wanted him, he’d be off. He’s not getting the offers from those clubs because he’s vastly overrated. 

[qwertyell]

1 minute ago, Dman said:

Has said previously he won’t manage Arsenal and Barca. 
 

other than perhaps Italy, I just don’t see where his next move will be…? Back to Tottenham? 

Think the Juventus job will come up soon. Allegri's second coming has been rotten.

[whelk]

4 minutes ago, Dman said:

According to the Ralph cult, there is no one, absolutely no one out there who can replace him. 
 

There’s absolutely no chance we could possibly appoint someone ‘left field’ from Europe, who’s seen to be a bit of a coup…We never do that, I mean look at our last managerial appointment…. 

Literally the only manager out of work is Sean Dyche. There is no one else. Brendan Rodgers soon. There the will only be two manager in the world that are available. But Leicester will have to take Dyche as the only available so then it will be one again. I would take Rodgers.

[FarehamSaintJames]

Come on Saints! Pay out for Poch and make a statement!

Let the campaign begin!

[pimpin4rizeal]

3 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Come on Saints! Pay out for Poch and make a statement!

Let the campaign begin!

Lol why would poch  want to come back here?

he’s a grade A manager now who will get the biggest clubs in football after him.. we were merely a stepping stone for his career..

We are probably about as attractive as going back to espanyol

[saintant]

30 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

Based on nothing but a search on transfermarkt and a vague yet baseless feeling of some types that might interest us:

Dejan Stankovic. (Excellent player in his day). Serbian. Last club Red Star.

Domenico Tedesco. Seems to have been earmarked as a bright young coach (age 37) for a while, without an amazing record under his belt. Last club Leipzig.

Vladamir Petkovic. Experienced coach who managed an excellent Euro campaign for the Swiss 18 months back.

Paulo Sousa. A name that often comes up. Available.

Xisco Munoz. Got Watford promoted. Then, in classic Watford style, got sacked a few games into the next season.

Scott Parker. People within the game seem to think he's a really talented coach destined for great things.

David Wagner. Was the high-pressing, Klopp-esque hipsters' choice a few seasons ago. Frankly performed miracles with Huddersfield.

Pal Dardai. Another hipsters' choice from back in the day.

Xabi Alonso. Out of left field. An aspiring manager - only managed Sociedad B - but you've got to start somewhere. His intelligence and playing experience in a number of countries under great coaches would, you'd think, give him a shot at becoming a good manager.

Sean Dyche. You know it's going to happen.

Mauricio Pochettino. You know it's not going to happen.

 

Assuming we're prepared to pay a little compensation to snag a manager in work:

Jess Thorup. FC Copenhagen manager. Danish. Reunite him with Ruben Selles. How much compensation would Danish clubs really demand? Contract until 2024.

Thomas Thomasberg. Danish. Doing great things with FC Randers this season - top, unbeaten, after 10 games.

 

Then there's these beauties out of work:

Claude Puel

Mauricio Pellegrino

And everyone's favourite, Martin O'Neill.

 

(Should add, I don't think the club are going to sack Hassenhuttl anytime soon. The World Cup break will be the likeliest time to take stock.)

Anyone but Scott bloody Parker.

[Lighthouse]

50 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So it’s still not his squad then?

No, it never will be and nor will it be for the next manager after Ralph, or the man after him. The days of ‘Arry phoning up Niko Kranjcar and Jermaine Defoe to see if they fancy a game are gone. We have an entire recruitment team looking for signings and more importantly a budget which dictates which ones we can afford.

Unless you believe Ralph has suddenly developed an interest in teenage boys, this is not ‘Ralph’s team’. It’s Southampton Football Club’s team, Ralph is another employee fulfilling a different role.

[Dman]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

No, it never will be and nor will it be for the next manager after Ralph, or the man after him. The days of ‘Arry phoning up Niko Kranjcar and Jermaine Defoe to see if they fancy a game are gone. We have an entire recruitment team looking for signings and more importantly a budget which dictates which ones we can afford.

Unless you believe Ralph has suddenly developed an interest in teenage boys, this is not ‘Ralph’s team’. It’s Southampton Football Club’s team, Ralph is another employee fulfilling a different role.

Not very well, either.

Edited 18 September, 2022 by Dman

[The Cat]

55 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

Based on nothing but a search on transfermarkt and a vague yet baseless feeling of some types that might interest us:

Dejan Stankovic. (Excellent player in his day). Serbian. Last club Red Star.

Domenico Tedesco. Seems to have been earmarked as a bright young coach (age 37) for a while, without an amazing record under his belt. Last club Leipzig.

Vladamir Petkovic. Experienced coach who managed an excellent Euro campaign for the Swiss 18 months back.

Paulo Sousa. A name that often comes up. Available.

Xisco Munoz. Got Watford promoted. Then, in classic Watford style, got sacked a few games into the next season.

Scott Parker. People within the game seem to think he's a really talented coach destined for great things.

David Wagner. Was the high-pressing, Klopp-esque hipsters' choice a few seasons ago. Frankly performed miracles with Huddersfield.

Pal Dardai. Another hipsters' choice from back in the day.

Xabi Alonso. Out of left field. An aspiring manager - only managed Sociedad B - but you've got to start somewhere. His intelligence and playing experience in a number of countries under great coaches would, you'd think, give him a shot at becoming a good manager.

Sean Dyche. You know it's going to happen.

Mauricio Pochettino. You know it's not going to happen.

 

Assuming we're prepared to pay a little compensation to snag a manager in work:

Jess Thorup. FC Copenhagen manager. Danish. Reunite him with Ruben Selles. How much compensation would Danish clubs really demand? Contract until 2024.

Thomas Thomasberg. Danish. Doing great things with FC Randers this season - top, unbeaten, after 10 games.

 

Then there's these beauties out of work:

Claude Puel

Mauricio Pellegrino

And everyone's favourite, Martin O'Neill.

 

(Should add, I don't think the club are going to sack Hassenhuttl anytime soon. The World Cup break will be the likeliest time to take stock.)

David Wagner can't be a serious suggestion? He went to a half decent Schalke and turned them into a terrible team who got relegated off the back of a massive winless streak 

He then went to Young Boys who had won the league 3 times in a row, proceeded to manage them to a second place finish 15 points behind Zurich and got sacked again.

I'd give him a swerve if it's all the same.

[farawaysaint]

Isn’t this supposed to be his last season anyway based on his contract? Run it down give him a huge thanks and plan for some new blood. If he keeps us up another year and I have no doubt he will then I am largely happy with him staying on.

[Turkish]

24 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

No, it never will be and nor will it be for the next manager after Ralph, or the man after him. The days of ‘Arry phoning up Niko Kranjcar and Jermaine Defoe to see if they fancy a game are gone. We have an entire recruitment team looking for signings and more importantly a budget which dictates which ones we can afford.

Unless you believe Ralph has suddenly developed an interest in teenage boys, this is not ‘Ralph’s team’. It’s Southampton Football Club’s team, Ralph is another employee fulfilling a different role.

Thanks, I had no idea we had a recruitment team recruiting people. Now it makes sense why everyone was so nasty about that little Scottish fella who left for Rangers. Always wondered what he did

So the “it’s not his squad” excuse will be a valid excuse forever more, excellent 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

28 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

The days of ‘Arry phoning up Niko Kranjcar and Jermaine Defoe to see if they fancy a game are gone.

Do they fancy a game, though? 🙂

 

[Lighthouse]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Thanks, I had no idea we had a recruitment team recruiting people. Now it makes sense why everyone was so nasty about that little Scottish fella who left for Rangers. Always wondered what he did

So the “it’s not his squad” excuse will be a valid excuse forever more, excellent 

It’s not about excuses it’s about expectations and operating limitations. Unless you actually believe Ralph prefers Adam Armstrong to Haaland and refused to sign Gapko because he preferred Moi?
 

No squad in this league is the property of any individual manager, only the club they work for?

[Dman]

12 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It’s not about excuses it’s about expectations and operating limitations. Unless you actually believe Ralph prefers Adam Armstrong to Haaland and refused to sign Gapko because he preferred Moi?
 

No squad in this league is the property of any individual manager, only the club they work for?

Ralph or any manager for that matter, will have an input on who we sign and targets within our budget. 
 

If he can’t get a tune out of players in our budget, then let’s get someone in who can then please 👍🏻

[Turkish]

25 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It’s not about excuses it’s about expectations and operating limitations. Unless you actually believe Ralph prefers Adam Armstrong to Haaland and refused to sign Gapko because he preferred Moi?
 

No squad in this league is the property of any individual manager, only the club they work for?

Classic saintsweb post, there are literally no players with ability between the levels of Armstrong and Haaland 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Turkish]

Brighton have a new manager Robert Di Zerbi. Had success with a small Italian club and also in the Ukraine. Likes to play attacking football  and believe in young players. Sounds perfect for us but I’ve no idea where they found him as there is literally no manager available or the world that would fit our profile 

[S-Clarke]

26 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It’s not about excuses it’s about expectations and operating limitations. Unless you actually believe Ralph prefers Adam Armstrong to Haaland and refused to sign Gapko because he preferred Moi?
 

No squad in this league is the property of any individual manager, only the club they work for?

Adam Armstrong was one of his signings. (well, he'd have had an input in that one)

I think there was a period where we could argue he was trying to polish a turd with Bertrand, Vestergaard, Bednarek, Redmond, Elyounoussi, Valery, Stephens etc - but they're all gone now (bar Ely). On Friday the only players who started who haven't been signed during his tenure were Elyounoussi and JWP.

So I don't think it's fair to throw the ''it's not his squad' at him anymore. This is as much his squad as he's ever had, so he needs to get it working.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Brighton have a new manager Robert Di Zerbi. Had success with a small Italian club and also in the Ukraine. Likes to play attacking football  and believe in young players. Sounds perfect for us but I’ve no idea where they found him as there is literally no manager available or the world that would fit our profile 

It's just Peter Reid with a few Botox injections and some stubble. 🙂

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Adam Armstrong was one of his signings. (well, he'd have had an input in that one)

I think there was a period where we could argue he was trying to polish a turd with Bertrand, Vestergaard, Bednarek, Redmond, Elyounoussi, Valery, Stephens etc - but they're all gone now (bar Ely). On Friday the only players who started who haven't been signed during his tenure were Elyounoussi and JWP.

So I don't think it's fair to throw the ''it's not his squad' at him anymore. This is as much his squad as he's ever had, so he needs to get it working.

A few years back at a fans forum he was waxing lyrical about his love of working with young players and described his dream signing as Mbappe 3 years earlier  so when he was breaking Into the Monaco team. So now he has his wish of a team of young talent, but still prefers Elyanoussi 🤦

Edited 18 September, 2022 by Turkish

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Brighton have a new manager Robert Di Zerbi. Had success with a small Italian club and also in the Ukraine. Likes to play attacking football  and believe in young players. Sounds perfect for us but I’ve no idea where they found him as there is literally no manager available or the world that would fit our profile 

Don't know a great deal about him, but it's the sort of 'outside of the box' appointment they were always going to make. They've had a pretty disruptive window if you look at it. Two best players sold (Cucurella and Bissouma), their only somewhat reliable source of goals sold in Maupay - and their manager and coaching team left. Certainly a period of transition for them, they have been punching so it's a tough job for a new guy to come into.

[S-Clarke]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

A few years back at a fans forum he was waxing lyrical about his love of working with young players and described his dream signing as Mbappe 3 years earlier  so when he was breaking Into the Monaco team. So now he has his wish of a team of young talent, but still prefers Elyanoussi 🤦

You don't want to throw too many young players in at once, but anyone other than Elyounoussi would be decent. I personally want to see Edozie get a run of games, I don't know if he's any good or not but we need pace and directness in the final third which is sorely lacking at the moment.

I've supported Ralph and have wanted him to have his own team to build a team in his style, but now he has his team it's the first time we seem to lack an identty. That's one thing you could never label at a Ralph team, but I don't know what I was watching against Wolves and Villa - just no identity in what we're trying to do and that worries me.

He's not going to go yet, but I would say if we're sat on something between 10-12 points by the time the world cup comes around then he's done for. Newcastle, Palace, Bournemouth, Everton, West Ham in this group of fixtures. Got to be looking at going into the world cup around or just under 20 points in my opinion.

Edited 18 September, 2022 by S-Clarke

[saintant]

20 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

You don't want to throw too many young players in at once, but anyone other than Elyounoussi would be decent. I personally want to see Edozie get a run of games, I don't know if he's any good or not but we need pace and directness in the final third which is sorely lacking at the moment.

I've supported Ralph and have wanted him to have his own team to build a team in his style, but now he has his team it's the first time we seem to lack an identty. That's one thing you could never label at a Ralph team, but I don't know what I was watching against Wolves and Villa - just no identity in what we're trying to do and that worries me.

He's not going to go yet, but I would say if we're sat on something between 10-12 points by the time the world cup comes around then he's done for. Newcastle, Palace, Bournemouth, Everton, West Ham in this group of fixtures. Got to be looking at going into the world cup around or just under 20 points in my opinion.

Our identity is to avoid big defeats at all costs hence the negative sideways and backwards passing and continual lumping the ball forward to nobody in particular. It's horrible to watch and does not produce results. The manager shows a complete lack of bravery, his fear is holding us back.

[Turkish]

26 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

You don't want to throw too many young players in at once, but anyone other than Elyounoussi would be decent. I personally want to see Edozie get a run of games, I don't know if he's any good or not but we need pace and directness in the final third which is sorely lacking at the moment.

I've supported Ralph and have wanted him to have his own team to build a team in his style, but now he has his team it's the first time we seem to lack an identty. That's one thing you could never label at a Ralph team, but I don't know what I was watching against Wolves and Villa - just no identity in what we're trying to do and that worries me.

He's not going to go yet, but I would say if we're sat on something between 10-12 points by the time the world cup comes around then he's done for. Newcastle, Palace, Bournemouth, Everton, West Ham in this group of fixtures. Got to be looking at going into the world cup around or just under 20 points in my opinion.

Edozie looks like one to me to bring on for 20 minutes or so when the game is more stretched, using his pace at a tiring full back could create a few late opportunities. Yesterday wasn’t ideal as he was brought on too late plus Villa were happy to shut up shop and sit on what they had. Be interesting to see how he develops this year. Why Aribo was on the bench was a mystery to me, his power in the attacking midfield position with Stuart Armstrong as well able to run at players plus Mara up front who no idea why hasn’t been given more time as he clearly has something with Adams then we’ve got a different proposition going forward than the useless Elyanoussi and Djenepo doing whatever it is Djenepo does. 

Edited 18 September, 2022 by Turkish

[John Sydenham]

I think all that is needed is enthusiasm and run until you drop. We saw it v Man U and Chelsea so where did it go. I watched the match in NY and the commentator verdict was ‘Sathhammpton look like a bunch of kids hauled in off the block who ain’t ever seen each other before’

Fair comment. That’s down to the manager. What became of the press? At least we seem to have two good centre backs now.

id love to see the Brentford fellah in charge. His team is so exciting to watch!