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30 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

In a way I'm surprised that anyone is surprised. Ralph always turns it around and takes us on a really good run. Then we'll go on an awful run. We just have to hope that this season we'll have better players so that our bad run isn't quite so bad

And better coaches who may be able to chip in with more ideas about how to change things around.

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48 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I said after Ralph’s comments against Spurs that I thought he wasn’t the originator of the 3 at the back, Ralph was always predominantly a 4. That said he’s also diverted for the 4-2-2-2 to a 4-2-3-1, which looks more solid.

4231 has always been my favourite formation since Pochettino introduced it. I'm glad Ralph has given it a go... it certainly seems to have brought the best out of Armstrong.

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1 minute ago, The Cat said:

The same section of the crowd who were singing about sacking him during the Leeds game were joining in the celebrations with him after the game today when he went over there.

The fickledom of football fanship is alive and well :)

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His whole career at Saints is littered with false dawns, but fingers crossed it’s different this time.

It’s very early days, but this group look different. Hats off to whoever identified the young players and fair play to Ralph for getting them playing so well. Maybe Ralph works better with hungry young players, but they all seem to have bought into his methods so far this season. Since the second half against Leeds there seems real desire and work rate amongst them. Long May it continue. 

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3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

His whole career at Saints is littered with false dawns, but fingers crossed it’s different this time.

It’s very early days, but this group look different. Hats off to whoever identified the young players and fair play to Ralph for getting them playing so well. Maybe Ralph works better with hungry young players, but they all seem to have bought into his methods so far this season. Since the second half against Leeds there seems real desire and work rate amongst them. Long May it continue. 

Agreed. But what was going on in the first one and a half matches?

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2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

His whole career at Saints is littered with false dawns, but fingers crossed it’s different this time.

It’s very early days, but this group look different. Hats off to whoever identified the young players and fair play to Ralph for getting them playing so well. Maybe Ralph works better with hungry young players, but they all seem to have bought into his methods so far this season. Since the second half against Leeds there seems real desire and work rate amongst them. Long May it continue. 

That's such a negative mindset. I don't really get this point. He joined us when we were right in the shit, we had an awful squad, with no money, and players who were underperforming. He's done amazingly well to keep us in this league with no investment, and we've got to an FA Cup semi final. Yes he's had some bad moments, but at the end of the day he's also had some brilliant moments, and he's such a great fit for our club, and completely aligned with the strategy of the business.

 

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4 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Agreed. But what was going on in the first one and a half matches?

Bednarek was on the pitch. Our defence looks so much better without him in it.

Someone posted a snippet that he doesn't have a good relationship with the new coaching team. I wonder if he was the source of the leak to the DM then?

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17 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

That's such a negative mindset. I don't really get this point. He joined us when we were right in the shit, we had an awful squad, with no money, and players who were underperforming. He's done amazingly well to keep us in this league with no investment, and we've got to an FA Cup semi final. Yes he's had some bad moments, but at the end of the day he's also had some brilliant moments, 

 

Mark Hughes joined us when we were in the shit,no money, and players who were underperforming. He kept us in the league,  and got us to a semi final. It’s not really that much of an achievement. Admittedly, he didn’t have the “brilliant “ moments, but the lows weren’t quite as low as some of the thrashing and embarrassing performances under Ralph. I think it’s indisputable that we’ve had false dawns under him. It’s not negative, it’s pretty factual. 

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Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

Mark Hughes joined us when we were in the shit,no money, and players who were underperforming. He kept us in the league,  and got us to a semi final. It’s not really that much of an achievement. 

The difference between Hughes and Ralph is that Ralph has never really been in a relegation battle. Sure, we've been in relegation form and have circled at some point, but we've always had runs of form which means we have been always on the edge of any discussion.

With Hugues, that was a proper relegation battle. We were deep in it. We had to go to Swansea and win otherwise we were gone. We've never been in that situation under Ralph.

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3 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

 

With Hugues, that was a proper relegation battle. We were deep in it. We had to go to Swansea and win otherwise we were gone. We've never been in that situation under Ralph.

Fucking hell, you’re blaming Hughes for that? We had 1 win in 17 and were 1 point off relegation when he took over, that was down to Peligrino how ever much you try and rewrite it. 

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Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fucking hell, you’re blaming Hughes for that? We had 1 win in 17 and were 1 point off relegation when he took over, that was down to Peligrino how ever much you try and rewrite it. 

I wasn't blaming Hugues for that at all. You just proclaimed that Hughes kept us up, just as Ralph has.

But they're totally different situations. We've never really been in a relegation battle under Ralph, we were under Hugues.

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Hughes did a great job to keep us up, but his job should have only been that. It got messy once he'd been given the job properly in that summer. 

Hughes was never long term aligned with the club, whereas Ralph has, along with others, rebuilt the club. We were a mess when he came in, and the job Ralph has done has enabled us to get to a point where we can start investing in the squad. He's also learnt over the years too.  I'd be more than happy if Ralph was still here at the end of next season, depending on what happens.  Of course it will come to an end at some point though.

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6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I wasn't blaming Hugues for that at all. You just proclaimed that Hughes kept us up, just as Ralph has.

But they're totally different situations. We've never really been in a relegation battle under Ralph, we were under Hugues.

I was merely pointing out to the poster who claimed that Ralph had dome “amazingly” by keeping us in this league, that Hughes had done the same. 
 

Keeping us in a league we’ve been in around 90% of the past 50 years isnt that great an achievement. 

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45 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s very early days, but this group look different. Hats off to whoever identified the young players and fair play to Ralph for getting them playing so well. Maybe Ralph works better with hungry young players, but they all seem to have bought into his methods so far this season. Since the second half against Leeds there seems real desire and work rate amongst them. Long May it continue. 

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15 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Keeping us in a league we’ve been in around 90% of the past 50 years isnt that great an achievement.

Steve Moran and Ken Monkou have no bearing whatsoever on the job Ralph has to do. I don’t care if we’ve been ever present for 100 years, staying up whilst being forced to rely on McCarthy, Bednarek, Vestergaard, Redmond, Walcott and co. Is an decent achievement.

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36 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I was merely pointing out to the poster who claimed that Ralph had dome “amazingly” by keeping us in this league, that Hughes had done the same. 
 

Keeping us in a league we’ve been in around 90% of the past 50 years isnt that great an achievement. 

How did we move directly from a fantastic win at St Marys, to debating whether Mark Hughes was the messiah?....

If you can't celebrate these moments, perhaps football isn't for you.

We won, Ralph made it happen, it was exciting, we deserved to win, it was great!

 

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46 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

How did we move directly from a fantastic win at St Marys, to debating whether Mark Hughes was the messiah?....

If you can't celebrate these moments, perhaps football isn't for you.

 

 

Debating managers on a thread about the manager. 
 

There’s a thread at the top of the page where you can celebrate the game. 

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Worth pointing out that we’ve just got rid of Valery, Bednarek, Stephens, Forster, Romeu* and tried to get rid of Redmond and Walcott all in one window, and have barely made a penny on them. That’s a good chunk of our first 11 options from the last couple of seasons, and we couldn’t find anyone to buy them. I think it further demonstrates that just staying in this league under Ralph has actually been an achievement in itself.

 

*Feel bad putting Romeu in there because he’s brilliant, but still counts.

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On 31/08/2022 at 06:59, Lord Duckhunter said:

His whole career at Saints is littered with false dawns, but fingers crossed it’s different this time.

It’s very early days, but this group look different. Hats off to whoever identified the young players and fair play to Ralph for getting them playing so well. Maybe Ralph works better with hungry young players, but they all seem to have bought into his methods so far this season. Since the second half against Leeds there seems real desire and work rate amongst them. Long May it continue. 

I know he is not your cup of tea but I see you are hoping he can come good, in your eyes, at least, keep those fingers crossed. 

This team is different,  we are getting younger every transfer window,  not a coincidence,  Ralf has done his best work with young players because they can handle the style he plays, if they are strong enough and skilled enough. They bring the most important thing to his style, BOUNDLESS ENERGY!! this is crucial for the high press, the tracking players one on one, I saw the recovery speed with the new young men, the never give up, the "in your face old man" attitude. 

We actually have the kind of players for Ralf ball, let's enjoy how far he can take it, Ralf is not perfect,  but he certainly bring the entertainment and excitement to our club. MARCH ON....SAINTS MARCH ON!

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Ralph definitely has a spring in his step. Not seen that for a long time.

the overall squad quality is as good as it has been for a long time, assuming the players in are as good as we all believe.

Just reading the city forum and the vibe is Edozie is very quick, great running with the ball and should do very well.

Larios is (according to snippets on there) a very very good talent.  Kind of echo's ralph's comment about him / the others

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On 31/08/2022 at 11:58, Lighthouse said:

Steve Moran and Ken Monkou have no bearing whatsoever on the job Ralph has to do. I don’t care if we’ve been ever present for 100 years, staying up whilst being forced to rely on McCarthy, Bednarek, Vestergaard, Redmond, Walcott and co. Is an decent achievement.

Exactly, LDs logic is complete pony.

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Judged by his demeanour and remarks at the Wolves press conference, I formed the impression that Ralph has had very little to do with the deadline day arrivals to SFC. Wonder what his role was in all this?.  Maybe he provided a wish list of positions that needed strengthening and the rest was up to our recruitment team. Certainly no sign of him at the deadline day meet and greet.

Asked whether the new arrivals get automatic selection for match day squads he was emphatic in saying 'no', a clear sign that he feels it necessary to exert some element of control over the direction of travel. Add to that his more studied and evasive approach to his press conference it seems his situation at Staplewood is not quite so comfortable for him anymore. 

I like the man from a personal perspective and wish him luck with his new style team. Things have certainly started well and a good result today at Molyneux will go a long way to restoring belief in we doubters that his failings of the past three years were exacerbated by the limitations of the squad of players at his disposal even though he had a significant input to their recruitment. His aside remark that young players need to be assessed for their potential dozens of times over a few years rather than a few indicates very strongly that the recruitment mantle has passed from the manager's hands in the new management structure. 

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2 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Judged by his demeanour and remarks at the Wolves press conference, I formed the impression that Ralph has had very little to do with the deadline day arrivals to SFC. Wonder what his role was in all this?.  Maybe he provided a wish list of positions that needed strengthening and the rest was up to our recruitment team. Certainly no sign of him at the deadline day meet and greet.

Asked whether the new arrivals get automatic selection for match day squads he was emphatic in saying 'no', a clear sign that he feels it necessary to exert some element of control over the direction of travel. Add to that his more studied and evasive approach to his press conference it seems his situation at Staplewood is not quite so comfortable for him anymore. 

I like the man from a personal perspective and wish him luck with his new style team. Things have certainly started well and a good result today at Molyneux will go a long way to restoring belief in we doubters that his failings of the past three years were exacerbated by the limitations of the squad of players at his disposal even though he had a significant input to their recruitment. His aside remark that young players need to be assessed for their potential dozens of times over a few years rather than a few indicates very strongly that the recruitment mantle has passed from the manager's hands in the new management structure. 

IMHO expectations from the Saints fanbase are in general very high by referring to the existing ressources.

With regard to Ralph decisions in the past 3 years i doubt that a fan-perspective is always able to asses precisely without beeing able to take a look behind the curtain.

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1 minute ago, Østerrike said:

IMHO expectations from the Saints fanbase are in general very high by referring to the existing ressources.

With regard to Ralph decisions in the past 3 years i doubt that a fan-perspective is always able to asses precisely without beeing able to take a look behind the curtain.

Example: Player Xyz (potential starter) talks to Ralph on matchday: "i don't feel that well etc... but i might be ready from minute 60/70...."..

Performance on match day is bad until Player Xyz is substituted in..  

Ralph bashing follows... ("why did nt he...")

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3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

£70m spent, absolutely nothing different.

His time was up last season, he needs to go, and go soon

The players are getting worse under Ralph.

I expect the moral is down when they see shitty players getting in the starting line up ahead of them.

The thing that’s gets me tonight is they play it around and then it’s back to our keeper who hoofs it up fiend for two big shithouses  to clear it away. 

it’s time to be sacked Ralph and replaced with a manager with fresh ideas.

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7 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

The players are getting worse under Ralph.

I expect the moral is down when they see shitty players getting in the starting line up ahead of them.

The thing that’s gets me tonight is they play it around and then it’s back to our keeper who hoofs it up fiend for two big shithouses  to clear it away. 

it’s time to be sacked Ralph and replaced with a manager with fresh ideas.

Yep, Dave Jones was effectively sacked after a similar 1-0 defeat at Villa with no genuine efforts on goal (won his last game v Everton but decision made). Appalling tactics all game and to keep Ely on for 80 minutes…some serious either alcohol intake or delusion there. I reckon the new young recruits have clocked this idiot really. Benitez would keep them up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I really can’t see how there could be people who still want him here. He’s had his time and had some good spells, but surely has to do.

The form has been terrible for 6 months, he shows no signs of improving players and bar a couple of promising results we seem to be on a continuing downward spiral. 
 

The board should’ve sacked him months ago and seriously messed up. The longer it goes on the more this mistake is compounded.

So so so disappointing 

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I really don't know what we were trying to achieve today. It's time to stop trying to persist with Elyounoussi and Adam Armstrong. They're not up to it and never will be.

Edozie, Aribo, Mara - get them on, get them involved, get them experience. We're just witnessing groundhog day with those current attackers, throw some kids in there who can actually have a bit of directness.

For a guy who prides himself on blooding young players, he puts way too much faith in the likes of Elyounoussi/Armstrong ahead of young players.

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He's probably got until the winter break.  It doesn't look good for him right now.  He doesn't look capable of finding answers and there are signs that the players are tired of his ideas.

 

For me, it's the lack of cohesion and idea in the final third regardless of quality.  I couldn't tell you what we're trying to do or how when in possession.  The players perform like the same.  I don't get it.

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A few weeks ago, I wrote here that I was prepared to give Ralph a bit more time. I argued that we had had a few highlights under his reign and many more low ones.

I argued that this summer he had at last been given some funds to sign players  he wanted and to mould the side.....and then tonight against Aston Villa we watched probably the most inept performance by a Sainst side for many seasons.

Does anyone here, on tonights performance think this side is well coached ? We pay this bloke 7 milllion pounds a year to coach. Tonight they looked an utter shambles. We do the same thing time andtime and time again. We can all see it ! How can Ralph not ! Tonight the wrong players were selected to start, ( Diallo, Elynousi, Djenepo ) we lost the midfield completley and we could have played 3 bloody matches tonight with Adams alone up front and not scored ! 

The Salisu throw ins !!!!!! Every time we have a throw in within 40 yards of goal, up rumbles Salisu. The throw is never a good one. It generally loops up in the air, doesnt go to far and almost everyime goes to an opponents head who clears it !!!! But...we continue to do it time and time again. We Sainst fans know whats coming so I am pretty sure all our opponents do....but we still continue it !!!! Oh....Ralph has thrown a little " clever ploy" into it this year and uses Djenepo as a decoy !!!!! But no one actually buys into that do they !!!

Now the game tonight wasn't lost on the failure of Salisu thrown ins. Of course it wasnt. But I was just trying  to illustrate in my opinion how poorly coached this side is on this one simple unsuccessful ploy.

You can see sides in the Division who are well coached and are tactically adept. Spurs are one under Conte. He earns his corn. Not sure Ralph knows what he s doing in comparison

So, tonight for me was an eye opener. We were pathetic. Very worrying what we saw out there tonight

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10 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I really don't know what we were trying to achieve today. It's time to stop trying to persist with Elyounoussi and Adam Armstrong. They're not up to it and never will be.

Edozie, Aribo, Mara - get them on, get them involved, get them experience. We're just witnessing groundhog day with those current attackers, throw some kids in there who can actually have a bit of directness.

For a guy who prides himself on blooding young players, he puts way too much faith in the likes of Elyounoussi/Armstrong ahead of young players.

To be fair, Edozie, Aribo and Mara all came on and did fuck all.

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6 minutes ago, aintforever said:

To be fair, Edozie, Aribo and Mara all came on and did fuck all.

Aribo played out of position and looked about the only player we had who was capable of keeping the ball. If there was a MOTM vote I’d give it to him, he looked alright even though the tactical decision to put him on for Diallo at CM was way off.

Mara got twenty minutes, he didn’t do very much but at least made sure that the shots on goal total wasn’t zero.

Edozie got ten minutes, hardly surprising for a young lad in a side that had a complete mare that he didn’t get into it.

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