Ralph Hasenhuttl

[Turkish]

58 minutes ago, ecurnew02 said:

 

 

No great shock really. Personally i think its a shame. You cant help but like Ralph as a bloke and his passion came across last night. Unfortunately it's felt like it is coming to an end for a while

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

All of that is 100% true. There is a defensive focus, we do go into games trying not to lose and players are used out of position. 

To be fair defensively we have been horrific for 3 seasons, so no great surprises.

[Harry_SFC]

6 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

His man management skills are horrific. The way he throws players under a bus in the media will only result in losing the dressing room. It's not about being liked it's about being respected as a coach. His handling of players and shoddy tactics are the main reasons for our awful form. 

Maybe Ralph should take a look at the Arsenal "All or Nothing" documentary on Amazon Prime. 

Arteta comes across as a very good man manager. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

To be fair defensively we have been horrific for 3 seasons, so no great surprises.

I read it more like there's a scared mentality. We are overly cautious and then we get thrashed anyway! 

[MarkSFC]

I don't see how he can stay once these type of stories come out, however true, and on the back of the run we are on there is just too much division in the fanbase. 

It felt like something wasn't right with him last night. I suspect he senses time is coming to the end. 

I hope that's the case now. 

[AlexLaw76]

I guess Che Adams is the latest player no longer in the circle of trust.  It is probably his side putting links to other clubs in the media.  

 

[SambaMaverick]

Ralph just doesn't seem like an effective motivator or man-manager, and that's something these precocious kids - a lot of whom have been mollycoddled at some of the biggest clubs in the land - will need in order to flourish.

Now I was never part of the group clamouring to get Eddie Howe in, but look at what he's done with Newcastle. He's made a few signings, yes, but that group under a miserable, stubborn git in Steve Bruce look light years away from what they are now. Howe's good at tough talk, and he's also good at backing it up.

Edited 11 August, 2022 by SambaMaverick

[Convict Colony]

I will laugh if we beat Leeds.

But there are a lot of players we bought before this summer where we had to shop in the 1pound shop who have been utter shit for years.

Whilst I think as a manager u can't win, he mentioned salisu scoring an own goal as a killer last week and he was right, I didn't think he threw him under the bus he just made an observation that goal fucked us.

I think fans have become even more knee jerk on recent years, we know Ralph has had fuck all money over the years and here we still are in the premier league. People who have invested millions into our club currently believe in him and back him so I think at least let's see how until Oct goes as our first 5 games are hard ish.

 

[MarkSFC]

1 minute ago, Convict Colony said:

I will laugh if we beat Leeds.

But there are a lot of players we bought before this summer where we had to shop in the 1pound shop who have been utter shit for years.

Whilst I think as a manager u can't win, he mentioned salisu scoring an own goal as a killer last week and he was right, I didn't think he threw him under the bus he just made an observation that goal fucked us.

I think fans have become even more knee jerk on recent years, we know Ralph has had fuck all money over the years and here we still are in the premier league. People who have invested millions into our club currently believe in him and back him so I think at least let's see how until Oct goes as our first 5 games are hard ish.

 

You could argue that because of this upcoming run it's the best time to make the change of manager as we don't expect many or any points anyway. 

[Convict Colony]

1 minute ago, MarkSFC said:

You could argue that because of this upcoming run it's the best time to make the change of manager as we don't expect many or any points anyway. 

This is true but the owners if they weren't convinced should of done it after the last game of the season.

[Saint86]

2 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

Lost the dressing room or pissed off a few players who've leaked the story?

Either way this is terrible preparation for Saturday. Also likely no way back for Ralph unless we go on a winning run 

The list of players writes itself, and the general saintsweb collective wants rid of basically all of them except Adams anyway 😅😂🙄. 

Timing of this after the positive noises from the fans forum is interesting though. Charlie Austin style shithousery from certain players / persons with an axe to grind - but without the balls to actually put their names on it.

Leaking it does nothing but destabilise the club. If you take the assumption that key players who've improved under Ralph and are still playing for him are supportive of him, the logic here as well is that these "disgruntled players" have gone over JWP's head aswell to speak to management - which implies divisions in the dressing room. 

Regardless of what you think of Ralph, I sincerely hope the board shift all of these players out PDQ. 

Edited 11 August, 2022 by Saint86

[saintant]

1 hour ago, zurichboy said:

Come on guys, wake up and smell the coffee.

Agree. Ralph is going full on trying to mend the defence because he bears the scars of the two 9 nils plus many other hammerings and the inability to win games after going in front.  I'm not surprised some players are not happy.

[Saint Matty 76]

He's a good bloke and you may call me naive but I do still think he could've done a really good job with better backing, the signs were definitely there early on and we 100% punched above our weight for a while.

I can't shake the feeling now that with articles like this and the fanbase where it's at, that this is only going one way. Whether we'll improve without him or not is another question, but I can't see this going on much longer. A loss at Leeds could definitely do it and overall I'm a bit disappointed. I'd love to see it get turned around but you rarely come back from situations like this.

Absolute shite that we have leaks like this coming out the club now too, embarrassing stuff.

[Toadhall Saint]

1 hour ago, ecurnew02 said:

 

 

Normally take these things with a huge pinch of salt but looks like the writing is on the wall if true. Not helpful before a game but hey when is it ever.

[The Kraken]

4 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

The list of players writes itself, and the general saintsweb collective wants rid of basically all of them except Adams anyway 😅😂🙄. 

Does it?

I can quite easily see Che Adams and Stuart Armstrong being on the list, don’t think anyone really wants rid of them. Wouldn’t be surprised if KWP was one too. Broja likely told the club what he thought of Ralph before he left, I think this has been mentioned before. If JWP hasn’t expressed concerns I’d be somewhat surprised.

[saintant]

6 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

He's a good bloke and you may call me naive but I do still think he could've done a really good job with better backing, the signs were definitely there early on and we 100% punched above our weight for a while.

I can't shake the feeling now that with articles like this and the fanbase where it's at, that this is only going one way. Whether we'll improve without him or not is another question, but I can't see this going on much longer. A loss at Leeds could definitely do it and overall I'm a bit disappointed. I'd love to see it get turned around but you rarely come back from situations like this.

Absolute shite that we have leaks like this coming out the club now too, embarrassing stuff.

Could we get worse without him? It would be hard to.

[DT]

23 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Maybe Ralph should take a look at the Arsenal "All or Nothing" documentary on Amazon Prime. 

Arteta comes across as a very good man manager. 

Indeed he does. And the level of detail/motivation is extraordinary. When I was watching I couldn't help but think that Ralph's team talks are just a mumbled 'go out and get them' or some such. Lightyears apart.

[sfc4prem]

There's just been a weak and brittle feeling to Ralph's teams since he's been here, interrupted by some brilliant patches where it has all clicked. I'm sad that those patches seem to be anomalies, rather than indicators for what could become our permanent mentality. As it is, we are vulnerable and passive, and we need something to change.

[trousers]

So who's going to break the news to the forum lefties that the 'Daily Fail' should be taken as gospel now? They're going to be livid, I can tell you. 

Edited 11 August, 2022 by trousers

[Bad Wolf]

It would be utterly ridiculous to sack him now. He should have either gone at the end of last season or he should be given until the winter break.

[ErwinK1961]

Say what you want about Ralph (obvious he needs to go at this point), but that is pure shithousery from whatever spineless player has leaked that.

That’s not just mugging Ralph off, that’s disrespecting the club as a whole, the fans and players who may not agree with the comments, all ahead of a pretty big game on Saturday.

Hope whoever leaked that gets moved on ASAP.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 minute ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Say what you want about Ralph (obvious he needs to go at this point), but that is pure shithousery from whatever spineless player has leaked that.

That’s not just mugging Ralph off, that’s disrespecting the club as a whole, the fans and players who may not agree with the comments, all ahead of a pretty big game on Saturday.

Hope whoever leaked that gets moved on ASAP.

If it hastens Teflon’s departure, the bloke deserves a new contract. 
 

It’s over, put a fork in him, he’s done……

[Convict Colony]

Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

If it hastens Teflon’s departure, the bloke deserves a new contract. 
 

It’s over, put a fork in him, he’s done……

[Saint Matty 76]

24 minutes ago, saintant said:

Could we get worse without him? It would be hard to.

This is the problem. The last few years absolutely could have been worse with our restraints and it's stupid to think otherwise.

[Bad Wolf]

How can anyone judge Ralph's man management skills from a fan's point of view? Surely only those under his leadership can 

26 minutes ago, saintant said:

Could we get worse without him? It would be hard to.

He's comfortably kept us up with a team of Championship players every season so far and saved us in the first season. Last season, during our bad run when all the bed wetters on here were claiming how certain we were to go down, we were 60/1 to do so. 

[Convict Colony]

This is truly outrageous even by our standards.

1 game into new season away and we lost which if you look at the match thread everyone was positive about at half time.

I know people say look at the last 13 games or whatever but we didn't get relegated and since then we've bought like 6 young players and will be buying more including a striker whose mustard (authors poetic licence).

Maybe patience and let's judge Ralph by Oct.

[The Kraken]

4 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

This is the problem. The last few years absolutely could have been worse with our restraints and it's stupid to think otherwise.

There’s a difference between the last few years and now.

Footballers are a notoriously precious and fickle bunch, and once players start kicking off about the manager it mostly only ends up one way. Whether fans like it or not, player power often trumps all.

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

This is truly outrageous even by our standards.

1 game into new season away and we lost which if you look at the match thread everyone was positive about at half time.

I know people say look at the last 13 games or whatever but we didn't get relegated and since then we've bought like 6 young players and will be buying more including a striker whose mustard (authors poetic licence).

Maybe patience and let's judge Ralph by Oct.

Some of us saw through him 18 months ago. 

[bpsaint]

Beginning of the end hopefually. How he survived that run of form at the end of last season is beyond me, what will disappoint me if we do sack him is that we waited till now rather than giving a new guy the whole summer and transfer window.

[Saint Matty 76]

2 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

There’s a difference between the last few years and now.

Footballers are a notoriously precious and fickle bunch, and once players start kicking off about the manager it mostly only ends up one way. Whether fans like it or not, player power often trumps all.

I don't disagree at all.

I'm just stating that from a fan perspective it's okay to want to move on but also accept that Ralph did a good job here. To suggest that it "couldn't get worse" than constant relatively comfortably survival is madness.

[The Kraken]

7 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

1 game into new season away and we lost which if you look at the match thread everyone was positive about at half time.

Sorry, which match thread are you reading?

Im reading this one.  It’s fairly consistently negative about the performance. Half time is pages from late 9 onwards.

 

Edited 11 August, 2022 by The Kraken

[Bad Wolf]

4 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Beginning of the end hopefually. How he survived that run of form at the end of last season is beyond me, what will disappoint me if we do sack him is that we waited till now rather than giving a new guy the whole summer and transfer window.

By having a good run of form before that maybe? 

[Wiggles31]

What a car crash. He should have gone at the end of the summer. The fans all wanted him out and clearly the players did too. No we’ll no doubt be getting a new manager in as the window comes to a close. Not to mention players will be hesitant to come to an unsettled dressing room. Shambolic. 

[The Kraken]

9 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Beginning of the end hopefually. How he survived that run of form at the end of last season is beyond me, what will disappoint me if we do sack him is that we waited till now rather than giving a new guy the whole summer and transfer window.

To be honest I don’t think the transfer window factor is that high. The club clearly had a plan to get in Joe Shields from Man City as head of recruitment, and he has already brought in two Man City grads in Bazunu and Lavia, with reported interest around others. The club will want a manager, Ralph or a new guy, to buy into that ethos. So I don’t think that’s a big factor.

Going into a new season with an under motivated squad and a clueless formation that has such obviously massive flaws given the personnel employed? Well, yeah, that’s pretty abject.

[Saint86]

22 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

I know people say look at the last 13 games or whatever but we didn't get relegated and since then we've bought like 6 young players and will be buying more including a striker whose mustard (authors poetic licence).

Maybe patience and let's judge Ralph by Oct.

Yes agreed, we are where we are and patience is the order of the day - at least for a while yet. Although I do think no wins in August will likely seal his fate in reality (when paired with fan sentiment). But regardless, you won't find much patience on here atm. With the best will in the world, the reality is we have some very vocal fans with strong views - and right now some of them have truly had enough of Ralph and are always going to go in hard after losses this season. I suspect that even say a draw at spurs and win vs Leeds wouldn't have made a difference to the die hard Routists come the next loss 🤷‍♂️. Once a football fan's mind is made up, its ofte. terminal 😅🤷‍♂️

But as fans we need to now show patience and give this new look team of young players a chance. SR clearly aren't afraid to make changes, so imagine that if the time comes they'll pull the trigger regardless of the fans. But if we  jump straight on the toxic bandwagon now, we will create a terrible atmosphere and damage confidence for the entire season. 

We're saints fans and we've got a young promising team to support this year. That's bread and butter for us - even (especially?) if we end up being shite 🤣😢. 

Edited 11 August, 2022 by Saint86

[Saint86]

5 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

To be honest I don’t think the transfer window factor is that high. The club clearly had a plan to get in Joe Shields from Man City as head of recruitment, and he has already brought in two Man City grads in Bazunu and Lavia, with reported interest around others. The club will want a manager, Ralph or a new guy, to buy into that ethos. So I don’t think that’s a big factor.

Going into a new season with an under motivated squad and a clueless formation that has such obviously massive flaws given the personnel employed? Well, yeah, that’s pretty abject.

Also agreed. Bazunu, aribo, lavia etc are still good players / prospects regardless of the manager. And imagine we'd hire a manager to suit the style. Don't think it's particulary shambolic to give Ralph a chance with this team - he has earned it in fairness. But it has to be his last chance. 

Your last point indicates that its only going to be fringe players, and almost certainly the ones we're trying to shift. Says a lot that we can't even manage that 🤣😭

Edited 11 August, 2022 by Saint86

[trousers]

18 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Some of us saw through him 18 months ago. 

 

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, Saint86 said:

The list of players writes itself, and the general saintsweb collective wants rid of basically all of them except Adams anyway 😅😂🙄. 

Timing of this after the positive noises from the fans forum is interesting though. Charlie Austin style shithousery from certain players / persons with an axe to grind - but without the balls to actually put their names on it.

Leaking it doesn't nothing but destabilise the club. If you take the assumption that key players who've improved under Ralph and are still playing for him are supportive of him, the logic here as well is that these "disgruntled players" have gone over JWP's head aswell to speak to management - which implies divisions in the dressing room. 

Regardless of what you think of Ralph, I sincerely hope the board shift all of these players out PDQ. 

Think we can safely say that Jack Stephens is one. Charlie Austin's mate and barely getting a sniff these days

[The Kraken]

Just now, woodsaint1 said:

Think we can safely say that Jack Stephens is one. Charlie Austin's mate and barely getting a sniff these days

Chaz is doing enough sniffing for both of them…….

[Saint_lambden]

There's no smoke without fire, as they say, even if a lot of these type of stories are sensationalised. Clearly someone/maybe a few people within the club want him gone and have 'sold' that story to the Mail so it's not good whatever way you look at it. 

One of the rumours in the summer I remember reading was that he would be given until the international break at the end of September to turn things around which seems a fair marker for the board to judge him on whether he's turned fortunes around, even if I'd happily see him gone now. 

Semmens has been fiercely loyal to him (most managers would have gone after one 9-0 defeat, let alone two) but even he can't stick by him if we're pointless and rooted to the bottom by the end of August, surely. 

[manji]

We have a fans forum including Ralph then sack him ? Doesn’t sound right to me. How reliable is SaintsExtra looks like your bog standard clickbait to me. Doesn’t fit with the professionalism SR have shown so far.

 

but then I was surprised there wasn’t a representative from SR there last night. Maybe they are going to chop Semmens and Co as well. 
oh FFS I’m confused 🤔

[danjosaint]

I feel if/when they sack Ralph then Semmens will be right behind him on the way out, they can't wait to November be could be in right trouble by then, SR cocked up by not getting rid of Ralph at the end of last season, hopefully no sentiment from SR and they will sack them both 

[trousers]

6 minutes ago, manji said:

How reliable is SaintsExtra looks like your bog standard clickbait to me

They're regurgitating the Daily Mail, so it's bound to be 100% true.

[Convict Colony]

It's interesting cos as a saints fan we have been shit all my life.

Every now and again we have an outlier but generally we just want to survive.

We've got so entitled nowadays that we want the manager sacked who kept us in the league last season with no money sacked after 1 game away to a Conte Tottenham.

[Baird of the land]

I don’t see how he survives if we lose to Leeds.

[kwsaint]

Last time we sacked a manager two games into a season it ended in relegation.  RH should have gone in the summer.  It just feels too late now.  Can only hope that they have a successor lined up already as Semmens said on 5Live earlier in the year 

Going to be a long season.

[S-Clarke]

Well, this escalated quickly. I hate these sort of leaks though because it's unprofessional from whoever has done it.

It's all too easy for the manager to bear the brunt of everything, whilst he's not faultless, neither are the players. There have been players stealing a living at this club for many years, under many different managers, so I just hope it hasn't come from one of that crop.

Really not ideal timing given that it's 48 hrs before an important home game, and we're still trying to get signings in.

Edited 11 August, 2022 by S-Clarke

[Toussaint]

8 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

I don’t see how he survives if we lose to Leeds.

Take your point but I think it would be really harsh to execute him, I mean, this is Southampton not South America, we need to maintain a modicum of fair play.

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, kwsaint said:

Last time we sacked a manager two games into a season it ended in relegation.  RH should have gone in the summer.  It just feels too late now.  Can only hope that they have a successor lined up already as Semmens said on 5Live earlier in the year 

Going to be a long season.

On the flip side, the last time we sacked a manager after three games we ended up with Nigel Adkins and won promotion that season. 

It’s definitely not too late. I think the club have a successor lined up. The question is how quickly it comes. 

[CanadaSaint]

2 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

It’s definitely not too late. I think the club have a successor lined up. The question is how quickly it comes. 

I wouldn’t be surprised if SR have a clearer idea of who our next manager will be,  if it comes to that, than who our much-needed striker will be.