Dman Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 21 minutes ago, Turkish said: Attack being the best form of defence is alright as well as long as we have defenders who can defend when they need to do their jobs. The thing is, in a system like Ralph’s, you defend from the front, in a unit. Our CB’s are shambolic, but so is the plan ahead of them. So disjointed, so easy to bypass our midfield. To be fair, I don’t even know what our identity is anymore. We don’t really press, we don’t really attack, we don’t really keep the ball, we don’t really defend deep and counter attack. we’re just a bit of nothing. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: BallBall was was essentially get the ball and pass it to Le Tissier In the children's TV series Roger And The Rottentrolls there is a football match in one episode where the trolls play the "Christmas Pudding" formation, and their sole tactic is to "pass the ball to Pen-Y-Ghent". They, of course, won the match. ( btw, Pen-Y-Ghent was a girl ). Edited 9 August, 2022 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dman said: The thing is, in a system like Ralph’s, you defend from the front, in a unit. Our CB’s are shambolic, but so is the plan ahead of them. So disjointed, so easy to bypass our midfield. To be fair, I don’t even know what our identity is anymore. We don’t really press, we don’t really attack, we don’t really keep the ball, we don’t really defend deep and counter attack. we’re just a bit of nothing. Nutshell. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, egg said: Indeed...it requires an attack and defence...we have neither. Trouble is, he’s far from the full picture when it comes to recruitment. We’ve got limited funds and no-one can say work has not been done to alter the CB options - we’ve got 7 senior CB’s, but I’m not sure Ralph knows his best pairing even after a full pre-season with the squad…(let’s face it, his selections tend to prove this). So yes, our attacking prowess is a significant part of our ability to defend…for example Ralph has said that he expects Romeu to play further forward and he’s the guy we rely on to break up opposition possession, which typically needs to happen when we’re on the back foot as the ball is given away too easily in the final third after we tip-tap it around looking for a non-existent opening. Our forward players are not really that good against EPL teams and some of that is due to one dimensional Ralphball being found out. Edited 9 August, 2022 by Saint Fan CaM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 2 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Trouble is, he’s far from the full picture when it comes to recruitment. We’ve got limited funds and no-one can say work has not been done to alter the CB options - we’ve got 7 senior CB’s, but I’m not sure Ralph knows his best pairing even after a full pre-season with the squad…(let’s face it, his selections tend to prove this). So yes, our attacking prowess is a significant part of our ability to defend…for example Ralph has said that he expects Romeu to play further forward and he’s the guy we rely on to break up opposition possession, which typically needs to happen when we’re on the back foot as the ball is given away too easily in the final third after we tip-tap it around looking for a nonxx existent opening. Our forward players are not really that good against EPL teams and some of that is due to Ralphball being found out. Why are people saying we have 7 CBs? Valery isn't one. Simeu isn't first team quality. Stephens isn't PL quality. Bednarek isn't PL quality. Lyanco isn't PL quality. Salisu is on his best form PL quality. On his worst no. ABK....we wait to see. We need a minimum of one CB better than all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 8 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Trouble is, he’s far from the full picture when it comes to recruitment. We’ve got limited funds and no-one can say work has not been done to alter the CB options - we’ve got 7 senior CB’s, but I’m not sure Ralph knows his best pairing even after a full pre-season with the squad…(let’s face it, his selections tend to prove this). So yes, our attacking prowess is a significant part of our ability to defend…for example Ralph has said that he expects Romeu to play further forward and he’s the guy we rely on to break up opposition possession, which typically needs to happen when we’re on the back foot as the ball is given away too easily in the final third after we tip-tap it around looking for a non-existent opening. Our forward players are not really that good against EPL teams and some of that is due to one dimensional Ralphball being found out. Romeu as an attacking midfielder is more of ralph’s Current ‘heads gone’ approach, just like Stu Armstrong being a striker. Think salisu would likely do better in a simplified 2 rather than the muddled 3. As you say with the current 6/7 it’s about getting two that can operate to some degree(not going out and trying to buy an 8th). It’s not like we haven’t won games with these sort of players when we were playing more of a defend more from the front approach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 31 minutes ago, Dman said: The thing is, in a system like Ralph’s, you defend from the front, in a unit. Our CB’s are shambolic, but so is the plan ahead of them. So disjointed, so easy to bypass our midfield. To be fair, I don’t even know what our identity is anymore. We don’t really press, we don’t really attack, we don’t really keep the ball, we don’t really defend deep and counter attack. we’re just a bit of nothing. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Toussaint said: We could be much harder to beat though, that is one thing a new manager could do while the striker and other issues are being addressed. We have enough good players to grind out a few results. True, but if you pose zero threat going forward you are always going to get fucked over away to teams like Spurs. Adams and Armstrong are not going to score enough, this new French kid might be decent one day but as it stands I would say we ideally need to bring in two forwards. At the very least someone to play off Adams. Edited 9 August, 2022 by aintforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 2 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: Romeu as an attacking midfielder is more of ralph’s Current ‘heads gone’ approach, just like Stu Armstrong being a striker. Think salisu would likely do better in a simplified 2 rather than the muddled 3. As you say with the current 6/7 it’s about getting two that can operate to some degree(not going out and trying to buy an 8th). It’s not like we haven’t won games with these sort of players when we were playing more of a defend more from the front approach. Agreed. If it were me I would play ABK and Salisu as a no.1 pair and let them gel…it might take a little time for them to get it right, so get the GK, fullbacks and midfield playing to their strengths. The key thing is show the trust to develop together , rather than continually experiment with player combinations that have previously not worked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 41 minutes ago, MarkSFC said: Why are people saying we have 7 CBs? Valery isn't one. Simeu isn't first team quality. Stephens isn't PL quality. Bednarek isn't PL quality. Lyanco isn't PL quality. Salisu is on his best form PL quality. On his worst no. ABK....we wait to see. We need a minimum of one CB better than all of them. Because we have 7. I appreciate that most are shit, but we still have them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 1 hour ago, MarkSFC said: Why are people saying we have 7 CBs? Valery isn't one. Simeu isn't first team quality. Stephens isn't PL quality. Bednarek isn't PL quality. Lyanco isn't PL quality. Salisu is on his best form PL quality. On his worst no. ABK....we wait to see. We need a minimum of one CB better than all of them. What we need is a Jose Fonte. Perhaps not the best player technically, but no nonsense and knew how to defend, whilst being a leader at the back. That would allow the likes of Salisu, ABK and even Lyanco to learn and grow beside them. Cody would have been perfect for that. Arguably, so would have Ben Mee. Unfortunately, we’re more concerned / obsessed with making profit on players and have a transfer policy like a Jimmy Savile audience. The younger the better. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 Ralphs legacy 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 1 minute ago, Turkish said: Ralphs legacy Worth it just to see her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 3 minutes ago, Turkish said: Ralphs legacy I know I bang on about the 9-0’s but this is exactly why. It’s a terrible thing to happen, like really ducking terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 Did she get it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 59 minutes ago, Dman said: I know I bang on about the 9-0’s but this is exactly why. It’s a terrible thing to happen, like really ducking terrible. Chelsea could easily have done it again last season, but let us off. I wouldn't put it past someone like city beating us by 9 this season. Their best and our worst...easily a nine goal difference. We are lightweight at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 (edited) Hassenhutls major problem is that he is lacking in understanding the psychology of a team and this impacts his leadership skills. When we are playing well we have players capable of competing against best teams in the league and getting fantastic results, we have seen that over the last few seasons. We have also seen that those same players can get into disastrous runs where they capitulate game after game with massive deficits. So much of our woes are caused by player psychology in these moments. Hassenhutl lacks the ability to motivate the team against ‘less exciting’ opponents’ or to keep the psychology of the team at a steady level. Hence these massive fluctuations especially when we are ‘not playing for anything’ or have a bad game that turns into a 15 game disaster. Pochettino as a counter example made average players believe they were world beaters and his psychology work was evident in his ability to get the best out of less obviously able and very inexperienced players at both his prem clubs. (His tactics always burn teams out by the latter end of a season but that’s a different topic). Edited 9 August, 2022 by Mallagroth 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 9 August, 2022 Share Posted 9 August, 2022 I regard myself as a reasonable and (far too ) mature man who cannot give up following the Saints albeit from East Anglia for about 65 years. I have completely lost confidence in Hassenhutl and I hope he is sacked asap. I have to admit that when the team plays well they play very good football, but his inflexible tactics have been well worked out and he cannot seem to change them, or doesn't want or intend to, and he appears to be completely incapable of organising a defence. After watching Fulham and Brighton at weekend, (although I doubt Fulham will hang on to Mitrovich for long) I consider that we will be relegated this season if he stays. Any pay off is insignificant to the loss of Prem status. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singapore Saint Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 I check a few times a day to hopefully see if Ralph has been sacked - am I sick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 Thing I don’t understand about Ralph is if building a team you buy players who fit the system you want to play. It’s now, bar two or three, his team, his signings. So you have to assume he gas been given the players he wants to carry out his way of playing………then he totally changes it to some horrendous half arsed occasional pressing while the rest of the time we play five at the back with a couple of mainly sitting midfielders in front of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 1 hour ago, Singapore Saint said: I check a few times a day to hopefully see if Ralph has been sacked - am I sick? No. Just hopeful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 2 hours ago, Singapore Saint said: I check a few times a day to hopefully see if Ralph has been sacked - am I sick? Weird. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 2 hours ago, beatlesaint said: Thing I don’t understand about Ralph is if building a team you buy players who fit the system you want to play. It’s now, bar two or three, his team, his signings. So you have to assume he gas been given the players he wants to carry out his way of playing………then he totally changes it to some horrendous half arsed occasional pressing while the rest of the time we play five at the back with a couple of mainly sitting midfielders in front of them. Not really sure that's true since managers involvement in transfers are basically limited to suggestions/requests. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris cooper Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 5 hours ago, Pamplemousse said: Weird. Not weird at all .. majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 5 hours ago, Bad Wolf said: Not really sure that's true since managers involvement in transfers are basically limited to suggestions/requests. I bet our successive owners couldn’t believe their luck having Ralph. Here we are with a perennially tight budget and all of his dream signings have been c£15m or less. There’s not one striker he fancies for £40m or £50m plus, no; Sekou Mara, he’s THE man for Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 I wish Ralph would keep it simple - no Stuart Armstrong up front, Valery in a back three or Romeu at No.10 - that’s all too complicated when you are in a bad run and down the bottom (we don’t have the personnel for all these crazy formations anyway). Just play our best team, round pegs in round holes for a 5-10 game stretch and then we can see where we are. It’s difficult to judge how good the team we have actually is or could be as they are being asked to do things which are unnecessarily complicated. Given he’s stuck around all pre-season (I wouldn’t have been disappointed had SR pulled the trigger after Leicester) we probably do need to give him a bit of time but if he’s going to mess about with the team/the formation rather than focusing on getting the basics right first then he is going to have to go at some point I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 10 minutes ago, James said: I wish Ralph would keep it simple - no Stuart Armstrong up front, Valery in a back three or Romeu at No.10 - that’s all too complicated when you are in a bad run and down the bottom (we don’t have the personnel for all these crazy formations anyway). Just play our best team, round pegs in round holes for a 5-10 game stretch and then we can see where we are. It’s difficult to judge how good the team we have actually is or could be as they are being asked to do things which are unnecessarily complicated. He tries to be a clever dick, to show everyone how he see things mere mortals can’t. The thing is, it’s not that complicated. We’re not a particularly decent side, but we can’t have the better players on the bench or out of position. You pick Stuart Armstrong, if Tino is injured you play Perraud, you play OR as a defensive midfielder, you fucking play Che Adams. Add to those 4 JWP, KWP, & Salisu who pick themselves, and one of Bednarek or Lyanco. He was basically left with 3 decisions. One is the keeper. Obviously, he wanted Lavia & Aribo, so it probably needed a tweak, but we had the 11. It really shouldn’t be beyond a top flight manager, but we had a Horlicks of a team that left everyone scratching their heads. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: He tries to be a clever dick, to show everyone how he see things mere mortals can’t. The thing is, it’s not that complicated. We’re not a particularly decent side, but we can’t have the better players on the bench or out of position. You pick Stuart Armstrong, if Tino is injured you play Perraud, you play OR as a defensive midfielder, you fucking play Che Adams. Add to those 4 JWP, KWP, & Salisu who pick themselves, and one of Bednarek or Lyanco. He was basically left with 3 decisions. One is the keeper. Obviously, he wanted Lavia & Aribo, so it probably needed a tweak, but we had the 11. It really shouldn’t be beyond a top flight manager, but we had a Horlicks of a team that left everyone scratching their heads. A fair assessment and much how I saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 (edited) Depressing hearing him say he's pretty much moved away from 4-2-2-2. Have zero faith in his 5-3-2 explanation Edited 10 August, 2022 by Baird of the land soften from abandonment 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 1 hour ago, Baird of the land said: Depressing hearing him say he's completely abandoned 4-2-2-2. Have zero faith in his 5-3-2 explanation He didn't say that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 23 minutes ago, Suhari said: He didn't say that. What did he say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 2 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: What did he say? That he felt like it was an easier formation to bed the new signings into, whereas 4222 takes a bit more time to get used to play it. He's also hamstrung by the fact Perraud was injured, so didn't really have a left back. I would expect that once Perraud is fully fit, 4222 will be our choice of formation. possibly from the Brentford game onwards just before the international break. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 Just now, Saint Garrett said: That he felt like it was an easier formation to bed the new signings into, whereas 4222 takes a bit more time to get used to play it. He's also hamstrung by the fact Perraud was injured, so didn't really have a left back. I would expect that once Perraud is fully fit, 4222 will be our choice of formation. possibly from the Brentford game onwards just before the international break. He never gave the slightest indication we'd switch back to it being first choice. All he said is might ocassionally use it but was pretty clear 5-3-2 is the default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 Just now, Baird of the land said: He never gave the slightest indication we'd switch back to it being first choice. All he said is might ocassionally use it but was pretty clear 5-3-2 is the default. Agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolus Ex Machina Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 10 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said: That he felt like it was an easier formation to bed the new signings into, whereas 4222 takes a bit more time to get used to play it. He's also hamstrung by the fact Perraud was injured, so didn't really have a left back. I would expect that once Perraud is fully fit, 4222 will be our choice of formation. possibly from the Brentford game onwards just before the international break. Is there a particular need to wait that long to switch? So far the only players moved on from last year are a GK and 2 forwards (Forster, Long, Broja) and Armstrong and Adams have both had enough experience in a 4-2-2-2. We could easily put out a team with knowledge of the formation should we wish. Wouldn't it be better to get the newer players better acquainted with it in a competitive environment as well? I get that Spurs away is not a great time to do it (and along with our fullback situation made the 5-3-2 there a logical choice) but you'd like to think a more attacking formation would be better suited for our next home game against Leeds. Perhaps he doesn't trust 4 at the back with KWP being the only healthy and decent quality fullback currently (possible injury from Spurs notwithstanding) but if that's the case then why didn't we prioritize the fullback cover before the start of the season knowing that both Tino and Perraud would be missing/unfit? We seem to have done some good business bringing in some high potential targets but have missed out on strengthening some key areas before the start of the season which may cause us to drop crucial points (with the exception of Goalkeeper potentially). We may still get the signings we need but even then you have to be a bit concerned if the manager doesn't believe he can get players up to speed with his tactics very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 12 minutes ago, Diabolus Ex Machina said: Is there a particular need to wait that long to switch? So far the only players moved on from last year are a GK and 2 forwards (Forster, Long, Broja) and Armstrong and Adams have both had enough experience in a 4-2-2-2. We could easily put out a team with knowledge of the formation should we wish. Wouldn't it be better to get the newer players better acquainted with it in a competitive environment as well? I get that Spurs away is not a great time to do it (and along with our fullback situation made the 5-3-2 there a logical choice) but you'd like to think a more attacking formation would be better suited for our next home game against Leeds. Perhaps he doesn't trust 4 at the back with KWP being the only healthy and decent quality fullback currently (possible injury from Spurs notwithstanding) but if that's the case then why didn't we prioritize the fullback cover before the start of the season knowing that both Tino and Perraud would be missing/unfit? We seem to have done some good business bringing in some high potential targets but have missed out on strengthening some key areas before the start of the season which may cause us to drop crucial points (with the exception of Goalkeeper potentially). We may still get the signings we need but even then you have to be a bit concerned if the manager doesn't believe he can get players up to speed with his tactics very quickly. ...and then by the time they do get up to speed, Ralph could be sacked for poor results and we bring another new manager in with new ideas and potentially tactics and the players then have to get up to speed with those. That's if the current players are fancied by the new manager, who may wish to bring in his own players in the January window. By which time we're roughly 2/3rds of the way into the season with players who are still getting used to one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 I maybe old fashioned but I thought preseason was the time to get the players “up to speed” for the season ahead. For a manager 3 years into the job to be spouting this pony is just Teflon doing what Teflon does best. Making fucking excuses. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 On 09/08/2022 at 13:48, saintant said: Shouldn't we be spending the January kitty now? Why wait until January when we need some serious signings right now? January could be too late. Because I suppose you need contingency for the new manager We will likely spend more this window still aswell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 (edited) I don’t get how 4222 is an any more difficult system then 532 tbh… but thats just me We also play this also almost suicidally high line.. the WBs were basically camped on Spurs/Monaco’s by line and even 2 of the 3 CBs pushed up and played as narrow FBs at about 30/40 yards out from Spurs goal… I appreciate the pressure we put them under but as per usual it is so fragile on the break… I can’t see hiw it was coached particularly well either, Djenepo/KWP kept being overloaded as the MF 3 stayed pretty central, AA despite his efforts looked lost and we just allowed cross after cross into the box Finally, and I say this about most 3 atb teams.. if you don’t play 3 atb consistently with the same back 3 then its just confusing, in a 2 atb you know its you and your partner and you adjust responsibility accordingly, in a 3, and we saw this Saturday, it introduces a bit of confusion as you second guess who is marking, who is attacking the ball, who is covering etc… so in that instance Im not convinced what we are playing is any more ‘defensive’ If he was defensive solidity then we should go 4 atb with a double pivot ahead but thats just me, it also suits our players better.. considering we have arguably 3/4 defensively minded MFers, 2 good No.10s and 2/3 bang average wingers.. with only 2 FBs 🤷🏻♂️ Edited 10 August, 2022 by Smirking_Saint 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 11 August, 2022 Share Posted 11 August, 2022 10 hours ago, Saint Garrett said: That he felt like it was an easier formation to bed the new signings into, whereas 4222 takes a bit more time to get used to play it. He's also hamstrung by the fact Perraud was injured, so didn't really have a left back. I would expect that once Perraud is fully fit, 4222 will be our choice of formation. possibly from the Brentford game onwards just before the international break. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 11 August, 2022 Share Posted 11 August, 2022 I bet those kids we’ve brought in are used to 4-3-3 or 4-4-2. In which case why play the most defensive formation? We can attack very very well and with an extra player out wide or in the midfield to rely for creativity we will always score goals. Our BEST form of defence is to attack. We are not a backs to the wall team, we can’t defend to save our lives. Go back to basics, nice and simple. Buy another CB and FB cover and one attacking player and that is a good window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 11 August, 2022 Share Posted 11 August, 2022 (edited) Had an interesting catch up last night with a current first team player. Although, not a regular starter however, so potentially views may be biased. Basically said, moral is rock bottom and the dressing room Is a bit of a mess. Positive towards the new coaching staff and ownership but “it’s come too late”. That being said, he naturally wouldn’t comment on Ralph. Not really anything new but interesting to hear it from the horses mouth, so to speak. imo we need a full clear out, Ralph and a significant number of the legacy playing staff. I knew we were in trouble, but based on what was said, I’ll be amazed if we stay up… unless something changes. Edited 11 August, 2022 by Dman 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 11 August, 2022 Share Posted 11 August, 2022 1 hour ago, Dman said: Had an interesting catch up last night with a current first team player. Although, not a regular starter however, so potentially views may be biased. Basically said, moral is rock bottom and the dressing room Is a bit of a mess. Positive towards the new coaching staff and ownership but “it’s come too late”. That being said, he naturally wouldn’t comment on Ralph. Not really anything new but interesting to hear it from the horses mouth, so to speak. imo we need a full clear out, Ralph and a significant number of the legacy playing staff. I knew we were in trouble, but based on what was said, I’ll be amazed if we stay up… unless something changes. Ties in with the vibes given off by Ralph at the fan's forum yesterday for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 11 August, 2022 Share Posted 11 August, 2022 1 hour ago, Dman said: Had an interesting catch up last night with a current first team player. Although, not a regular starter however, so potentially views may be biased. Basically said, moral is rock bottom and the dressing room Is a bit of a mess. Positive towards the new coaching staff and ownership but “it’s come too late”. That being said, he naturally wouldn’t comment on Ralph. Not really anything new but interesting to hear it from the horses mouth, so to speak. imo we need a full clear out, Ralph and a significant number of the legacy playing staff. I knew we were in trouble, but based on what was said, I’ll be amazed if we stay up… unless something changes. Nice snippet - thanks for sharing. Sounds like a clearout is well needed and well overdue too..... we've had a lot of the same core players in place for too long. The 'come too late' is an interesting phrase..... for whom? The player himself or others too? It's the start of the new season, and we're not down yet; and the changes can't be 'too late' in the context of new players, or the new owners. I feel some alignment to my job...... the company I'm with were unexpectedly taken over by a competitor a few months back. A few people have already left, because of the uncertainty and fear of change; there's an incredible level of negativity from some, and huge optimism and excitement from others. Even though nothing has actually changed yet. Must be stange for the new starters these days. Funny thing, the human mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 August, 2022 Share Posted 11 August, 2022 1 hour ago, Dman said: Had an interesting catch up last night with a current first team player. Although, not a regular starter however, so potentially views may be biased. Basically said, moral is rock bottom and the dressing room Is a bit of a mess. Positive towards the new coaching staff and ownership but “it’s come too late”. That being said, he naturally wouldn’t comment on Ralph. Not really anything new but interesting to hear it from the horses mouth, so to speak. imo we need a full clear out, Ralph and a significant number of the legacy playing staff. I knew we were in trouble, but based on what was said, I’ll be amazed if we stay up… unless something changes. They are paid a lot of money for the job that they do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 11 August, 2022 Share Posted 11 August, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Suhari said: Nice snippet - thanks for sharing. Sounds like a clearout is well needed and well overdue too..... we've had a lot of the same core players in place for too long. The 'come too late' is an interesting phrase..... for whom? The player himself or others too? It's the start of the new season, and we're not down yet; and the changes can't be 'too late' in the context of new players, or the new owners. The general feel is that the rot started a long time ago and has continued to fester to a point where confidence is so low it’ll take a significant amount of time to turn it around. I do agree though, it’s never ‘too late’ so to speak, clubs in much worse positions than ours have had a manager change and turned things around. I don’t see a way back under Ralph though. My opinion not something I’ve been told. Situation reminds me of Howe at bournemouth where he lost the dressing room and stayed a season too long. We all know how that ended. Edited 11 August, 2022 by Dman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 11 August, 2022 Share Posted 11 August, 2022 5 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: They are paid a lot of money for the job that they do. What’s your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 11 August, 2022 Share Posted 11 August, 2022 Good old Charlie Austin has just a few moments ago done a question /answer thing on twitter… he was asked “why do you hate saints…?” his reply verbatim” I don’t,just the manager” i truly think Ralph makes a lot of enemies of players…both past,and more importantly present and not just because he drops them for games perhaps he just drops them not because of form but simple dislike. I would not be surprised if he does it out of spite if someone questions him perhaps Che has questioned him on occasions hence he dropped him after his decent run with us and for Scotland, it seemed crazy at the time and now he’s truly out of favour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 11 August, 2022 Share Posted 11 August, 2022 Just now, saint lard said: Good old Charlie Austin has just a few moments ago done a question /answer thing on twitter… he was asked “why do you hate saints…?” his reply verbatim” I don’t,just the manager” i truly think Ralph makes a lot of enemies of players…both past,and more importantly present and not just because he drops them for games perhaps he just drops them not because of form but simple dislike. I would not be surprised if he does it out of spite if someone questions him perhaps Che has questioned him on occasions hence he dropped him after his decent run with us and for Scotland, it seemed crazy at the time and now he’s truly out of favour Don't mind me if I don't pay an ounce of attention to any opinion Charlie Flaming Austin has. The same player who downed tools for us, and had some of the worst performances from a southampton striker I can ever remember. If I was Ralph I'd probably hate him as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 11 August, 2022 Share Posted 11 August, 2022 26 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Don't mind me if I don't pay an ounce of attention to any opinion Charlie Flaming Austin has. The same player who downed tools for us, and had some of the worst performances from a southampton striker I can ever remember. If I was Ralph I'd probably hate him as well. Danny Ings also fell out with Ralph. Players routinely just left out. As you always say, no smoke without fire 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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