Sarisbury Saint Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 11 hours ago, Toussaint said: I have my suspicions, someone had been equally prolific recently, but with a modified persona I’ve noticed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 Interesting… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris cooper Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 9 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said: Interesting… Please 🙏🏻 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 16 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said: Interesting… Realised he’s taken us as far as he can? Jumping before being pushed? Responsibility being taken away and the new owners looking to bring in someone to help him… which he doesn’t like? Either way, if true, good news as a change is needed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 I would be ok for him to stay if a. He gets backed in summer and improves keeper, defence, creative players, forwards to replace Long and Broja b. We get better coaches and second in command c. He listens to them! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 5 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said: I would be ok for him to stay if a. He gets backed in summer and improves keeper, defence, creative players, forwards to replace Long and Broja b. We get better coaches and second in command c. He listens to them! I reckon your a,b and c is exactly what will happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 That does look like he is on his way. Odds only make that kind of move if either someone puts a shed load of money on at the original odds or the bookies have heard whispers and have reduced the odds as a result. I wonder if he has something already lined up. I don't think that he will want to stick around if he knows that the majority of fans are no longer supporting him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 I wonder if he went for the Austria job, hence his mind was elsewhere, and now after having not got it he's demotivated at Saints. Noises from the club are that they are keeping him though so I'm surprised at these odds. Unless Frank has suddenly said yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 1 hour ago, Dman said: Realised he’s taken us as far as he can? Jumping before being pushed? Responsibility being taken away and the new owners looking to bring in someone to help him… which he doesn’t like? Either way, if true, good news as a change is needed. Club has backed him strongly in public but also rumours on here that the club want to revamp the coaching staff. Whilst RH has put up with the lack of transfer funds, I can’t see him being comfortable with new staff that the club would have the final say on selecting, he’s had virtually 100% autonomy in a way that is rare now. So more transfer funds but less control might not be as attractive hence scenario three would be the most likely grapevine for those betting patterns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Sugarfree Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 4 hours ago, Give it to Ron said: I would be ok for him to stay if a. He gets backed in summer and improves keeper, defence, creative players, forwards to replace Long and Broja b. We get better coaches and second in command c. He listens to them! On A, I wouldn’t want the club to give him the chance to waste another summer of transfers (or extending yet again, the contract of Long etc) on him. On B, be a waste of time as C would never happen. He’s too inflexible. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 On 12/05/2022 at 01:29, Greenridge said: I can't wait for our new manager. Challenging for the title and Champions League trips to the Bernabeu and the Nou Camp. What's not to like? Me too! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Dark Munster said: Me too! Therein lies a big part of the Problem, no one else would have been cut the slack Ralph has if we hadn’t had a succession of duds prior to him. We could do worse and have done, worse seems to be a common theme. Edited 13 May, 2022 by Toussaint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 7 hours ago, Saint Garrett said: Interesting… Is the gamble aware for us putting a bet on, or for the club in making the switch? 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Dman said: Realised he’s taken us as far as he can? Jumping before being pushed? Responsibility being taken away and the new owners looking to bring in someone to help him… which he doesn’t like? Either way, if true, good news as a change is needed. If what is true? Him having short odds? And why 'either way'? Odds shorten if punters place bets. The reason they placed the bet could be completely without evidence and merely them wishing it to happen. Edited 13 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Saint Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 8 hours ago, Dman said: Realised he’s taken us as far as he can? Jumping before being pushed? Responsibility being taken away and the new owners looking to bring in someone to help him… which he doesn’t like? Either way, if true, good news as a change is needed. To think that a season or two ago we were worried that a top club would poach him. How things have changed, We had a real uplift foe a while after we the new owners came in. What has happened since to cause the drop off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydenhamssocks Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 1 hour ago, Toussaint said: Therein lies a big part of the Problem, no one else would have been cut the slack Ralph has if we hadn’t had a succession of duds prior to him. We could do worse and have done, worse seems to be a common theme. Absolutely this ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 7 hours ago, saint1977 said: Club has backed him strongly in public but also rumours on here that the club want to revamp the coaching staff. Whilst RH has put up with the lack of transfer funds, I can’t see him being comfortable with new staff that the club would have the final say on selecting, he’s had virtually 100% autonomy in a way that is rare now. So more transfer funds but less control might not be as attractive hence scenario three would be the most likely grapevine for those betting patterns. Maybe the coaching staff want a change of manager. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 He’ll still be here this time next season, and we’ll still be in the same position. Yes he’ll get a little more money but I can’t see the signings being that impactful given his reluctance to adapt from his beloved 4-2-2-2 bullshit. They’ll be wasted. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 39 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: He’ll still be here this time next season, and we’ll still be in the same position. Yes he’ll get a little more money but I can’t see the signings being that impactful given his reluctance to adapt from his beloved 4-2-2-2 bullshit. They’ll be wasted. Considering we are just 5pts off the top half and havent been in the relegation scrap all season is the same position really all that bad? The only team we have outspent over the last two or three seasons who is above us is Brentford. Everyone else has spent more, and even in the case of some middle table sides considerably more. In the summer does anyone really think we will financially compete with Villa, Newcastle, Leicester, Wolves, West Ham, Everton? If not then why do you feel we should be finishing above any of those sides? 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: If what is true? Him having short odds? And why 'either way'? Odds shorten if punters place bets. The reason they placed the bet could be completely without evidence and merely them wishing it to happen. If him being the next to leave is true, obviously… And yes, I along with every single other person you point this out to, know how odds work. A drop of such significance would take a fair amount of money pumped on it and given nothing has been reported in the media (if anything it’s been the other way), to me would suggest ‘inside knowledge’. Of course there is nothing to suggest that inside knowledge is true though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Bates Statue Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 On 12/05/2022 at 21:27, Dman said: Where is Twar? Or is even his love for Ralph dwindling? Living inside your head 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 6 hours ago, Toussaint said: Therein lies a big part of the Problem, no one else would have been cut the slack Ralph has if we hadn’t had a succession of duds prior to him. We could do worse and have done, worse seems to be a common theme. Or maybe the performance of those before him shows he is actually a good manager? I think he deserves a season after actually having some decent investment, I wouldn’t be surprised if the new owners have their own guy lined up tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 If Ralph does go the new board will definitely have someone lined up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 Some dismiss our new board. They are intelligent football people not fucking oil manganates. Or the like. I trust them . They’ve been quiet. That’s a good thing I reckon there’s a lot of work going on behind the scenes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 17 hours ago, Dark Munster said: Me too! Seriously, was Les Reed just lying when saying this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: Seriously, was Les Reed just lying when saying this? It was simply a strange, strange appointment. Do we know who turned us down before we got to the bottom of the barrel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 34 minutes ago, Suhari said: It was simply a strange, strange appointment. Do we know who turned us down before we got to the bottom of the barrel? I know Tuchel 100% did, we spend ages trying to get him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 1 hour ago, Dman said: I know Tuchel 100% did, we spend ages trying to get him Something he clearly regrets. Just heard him on the radio, getting his team to play in yellow. He's inspired by '76. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Suhari said: It was simply a strange, strange appointment. It wasn’t really. Played for Barcelona, Valencia & Liverpool. Played in 2 champions league finals, won 2 la Ligas and The UEFA cup, played for Argentina. Was Benitez assistant, and despite getting the sack from Valencia, got Alavés to the copa del Rey final. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, he’s a terrible manager. He had the pedigree on paper and at that moment in time ,for a club like ours, it wasn’t that strange. Edited 14 May, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 4 hours ago, Suhari said: It was simply a strange, strange appointment. Do we know who turned us down before we got to the bottom of the barrel? Argentinian, initials MP, and great hair. What could possibly go wrong? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: It wasn’t really. Played for Barcelona, Valencia & Liverpool. Played in 2 champions league finals, won 2 la Ligas and The UEFA cup, played for Argentina. Was Benitez assistant, and despite getting the sack from Valencia, got Alavés to the copa del Rey final. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, he’s a terrible manager. He had the pedigree on paper and at that moment in time ,for a club like ours, it wasn’t that strange. I can see that, however: style of play: nothing suggested high-press, energy, progression. And following Koeman? When we were at the highest ebb we'd had in years? Did any of us, at the time say: "oh hell yes!"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Suhari said: I can see that, however: style of play: nothing suggested high-press, energy, progression. And following Koeman? When we were at the highest ebb we'd had in years? Did any of us, at the time say: "oh hell yes!"? It was Puel who followed Koeman, not Pellegrino. Edited 14 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 (edited) Mark Hughes was a strange strange appointment. Peligrino wasn’t particularly . He ticked a lot of our boxes at the time. Edited 14 May, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 34 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: It was Puel who followed Koeman, not Pellegrino. REALLY?! I'm working off memory: didn't fact-check. Isn't it crazy how the mind works. I'd have bet my house he was straight after Ronald. But damn: Les made some strange decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 15 May, 2022 Share Posted 15 May, 2022 11 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Mark Hughes was a strange strange appointment. Peligrino wasn’t particularly . He ticked a lot of our boxes at the time. We were desperate and he did a decent short term job, should have replaced him that summer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 15 May, 2022 Share Posted 15 May, 2022 Yeah, the Hughes appointment in itself wasn't the worst thing. We could have gone for another inexperienced manager and ended up as Leeds are now after appointing Marsch. A three year contract and a summer window, where JWP was linked to Burnley and Watford though, that was when we threw out all of our previous strategies. And now he's managing in League Two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 15 May, 2022 Share Posted 15 May, 2022 15 hours ago, Turkish said: 😳 Oh! You are awful but we Iove you. Actually part of me thinks this to be a very sexist post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 17 May, 2022 Share Posted 17 May, 2022 I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re looking at Ange at Celtic if next season starts slowly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 17 May, 2022 Share Posted 17 May, 2022 On 13/05/2022 at 22:23, Dusic said: Considering we are just 5pts off the top half and havent been in the relegation scrap all season is the same position really all that bad? The only team we have outspent over the last two or three seasons who is above us is Brentford. Everyone else has spent more, and even in the case of some middle table sides considerably more. In the summer does anyone really think we will financially compete with Villa, Newcastle, Leicester, Wolves, West Ham, Everton? If not then why do you feel we should be finishing above any of those sides? Exactly. People seem to forget that the biggest contract we have ever given out in the club (which essentially was earmarked for Ings then went to JWP), most of those clubs you mention there will have half their first teams on those sort of wages or more. I mean who knows what level of contract Coutinho just got (considering he was on £400k a week at Barca) and we know with a decent amount of certainty that Ings is on more than anyone here is paid because it was clearly the only real reason he made the move. West Ham just offered Rice more than £200k a week for 8 years. All those clubs also probably have doubled or more our record transfer, they will spend £35-40 million on player if not more. I think only Burnley, Brentford, and Norwich have lower record transfer fees than us. We are by PL standards poor relations, amongst the bottom third financially by pretty much most metrics you look at. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 17 May, 2022 Share Posted 17 May, 2022 On 13/05/2022 at 22:23, Dusic said: Considering we are just 5pts off the top half and havent been in the relegation scrap all season is the same position really all that bad? The only team we have outspent over the last two or three seasons who is above us is Brentford. Everyone else has spent more, and even in the case of some middle table sides considerably more. In the summer does anyone really think we will financially compete with Villa, Newcastle, Leicester, Wolves, West Ham, Everton? If not then why do you feel we should be finishing above any of those sides? Exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 May, 2022 Share Posted 17 May, 2022 34 minutes ago, tajjuk said: Exactly. People seem to forget that the biggest contract we have ever given out in the club (which essentially was earmarked for Ings then went to JWP), most of those clubs you mention there will have half their first teams on those sort of wages or more. I mean who knows what level of contract Coutinho just got (considering he was on £400k a week at Barca) and we know with a decent amount of certainty that Ings is on more than anyone here is paid because it was clearly the only real reason he made the move. West Ham just offered Rice more than £200k a week for 8 years. All those clubs also probably have doubled or more our record transfer, they will spend £35-40 million on player if not more. I think only Burnley, Brentford, and Norwich have lower record transfer fees than us. We are by PL standards poor relations, amongst the bottom third financially by pretty much most metrics you look at. Absolutely, and it's even more important for us to get scouting right as we can't really fix our mistakes. I think this is the first summer in many, many years that we've had a bit more leeway though and more flexibility. We're not going to be competing with Villa or Newcastle, West Ham for wages or transfer fees, but what we can compete with them on is scouting. We won't spend as much, but it's not always about how much you spend it's how you spend it. Brentford have got no right to be above Everton for example, there's like half a billion difference in transfer fee's between them over the last few years. But crappy scouting has done for Everton, not a lack of spending. We were also guilty of crappy scouting after Koeman which hasn't helped us either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 17 May, 2022 Share Posted 17 May, 2022 7 hours ago, Maggie May said: I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re looking at Ange at Celtic if next season starts slowly. I would say his stock maybe and aspirations are too high for us, although I would be in favour if we could get him. I guess it would depend on our level of investment, he wouldn't want his career to regress which it could well do without the necessary investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 17 May, 2022 Share Posted 17 May, 2022 On 13/05/2022 at 22:23, Dusic said: Considering we are just 5pts off the top half and havent been in the relegation scrap all season is the same position really all that bad? The only team we have outspent over the last two or three seasons who is above us is Brentford. Everyone else has spent more, and even in the case of some middle table sides considerably more. In the summer does anyone really think we will financially compete with Villa, Newcastle, Leicester, Wolves, West Ham, Everton? If not then why do you feel we should be finishing above any of those sides? Our final league position isn't the issue for most people who have lost patience with Ralph, as is well documented above and just about every game thread so I won't bother repeating them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 17 May, 2022 Share Posted 17 May, 2022 3 hours ago, tajjuk said: Exactly. People seem to forget that the biggest contract we have ever given out in the club (which essentially was earmarked for Ings then went to JWP), most of those clubs you mention there will have half their first teams on those sort of wages or more. I mean who knows what level of contract Coutinho just got (considering he was on £400k a week at Barca) and we know with a decent amount of certainty that Ings is on more than anyone here is paid because it was clearly the only real reason he made the move. West Ham just offered Rice more than £200k a week for 8 years. All those clubs also probably have doubled or more our record transfer, they will spend £35-40 million on player if not more. I think only Burnley, Brentford, and Norwich have lower record transfer fees than us. We are by PL standards poor relations, amongst the bottom third financially by pretty much most metrics you look at. I wonder what Eriksen's contract with Brentford is worth a week? Signing him was the best deal of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 May, 2022 Share Posted 17 May, 2022 39 minutes ago, Highfield Saint said: I wonder what Eriksen's contract with Brentford is worth a week? Signing him was the best deal of the season. I'd say signing Livramento on a long term deal for £5m is better than having Eriksen for 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 17 May, 2022 Share Posted 17 May, 2022 5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: I'd say signing Livramento on a long term deal for £5m is better than having Eriksen for 6 months. No, I’d say Eriksen has basically kept them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 May, 2022 Share Posted 17 May, 2022 3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: No, I’d say Eriksen has basically kept them up. And they don't have him contracted beyond the 6 months. Where as Saints stayed up and still have Livramento on a long term deal (and holds a lot of valueif/when they sell). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 17 May, 2022 Share Posted 17 May, 2022 15 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: I'd say signing Livramento on a long term deal for £5m is better than having Eriksen for 6 months. Depends on if your objective is improving the club's bank balance or improving how good the team on the pitch is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 17 May, 2022 Share Posted 17 May, 2022 On 13/05/2022 at 12:47, kwsaint said: That does look like he is on his way. Odds only make that kind of move if either someone puts a shed load of money on at the original odds or the bookies have heard whispers and have reduced the odds as a result. I wonder if he has something already lined up. I don't think that he will want to stick around if he knows that the majority of fans are no longer supporting him. The 'next PL boss to lose his job' market is so small it wouldn't take much money at all to bring a long shot in to much shorter odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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