Ralph Hasenhuttl

[Dark Munster]

3 hours ago, madge said:

I do love a good pie chart!!

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Ralph quotes from beeb...

On chants "I haven't heard them, my English is not so good. But I can take it. It is no problem for me because I am responsible for the results. I am the manager here."

On recent form "We had discussions in the last few weeks about a top 10. We had opponents there around us and we were not able to win against them, so we are not a top-10 team. We are far away from being a top-10 team at the moment."

[jawillwill]

5 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Ralph quotes from beeb...

On chants "I haven't heard them, my English is not so good. But I can take it. It is no problem for me because I am responsible for the results. I am the manager here."

On recent form "We had discussions in the last few weeks about a top 10. We had opponents there around us and we were not able to win against them, so we are not a top-10 team. We are far away from being a top-10 team at the moment."

I don't think anyone else other than Ralph has talked about us being a top 10 team in the last few weeks.

He may as well have talked about us having the chance to win the league. Both would have been just as likely of happening.

I like Ralph, he seems like a decent guy and think he genuinely likes Saints and probably wants to repay the faith thats been shown in him (by not sacking him after the 9-0 drubbings/ terrible runs of form). That being said, the time is up for him. If he isn't sacked in the next few days that presumably means he is in the clubs plays to carry on into next season which is a worry.

[Mr X]

23 minutes ago, jawillwill said:

I don't think anyone else other than Ralph has talked about us being a top 10 team in the last few weeks.

He may as well have talked about us having the chance to win the league. Both would have been just as likely of happening.

I like Ralph, he seems like a decent guy and think he genuinely likes Saints and probably wants to repay the faith thats been shown in him (by not sacking him after the 9-0 drubbings/ terrible runs of form). That being said, the time is up for him. If he isn't sacked in the next few days that presumably means he is in the clubs plays to carry on into next season which is a worry.

I wouldn't trust him with any say in transfer decisions if we are stuck with him, and I don't buy the it's not his team excuse he said he was happy with the players he had at his disposal!...... Question how bad has he got to be to lose his job? Saints have stuck with him way beyond what any club would..... Zero consequences from his actions equals zero insentive to get the team playing! 

[EBS1980]

The big downside of this buy kids to progress and sell on for a profit is the inconsistency that comes with them being young.

I wish we went out and brought a centre back 26-29 age bracket who could lead the defence and also another older player for the team who was a leader. It’s all very well having this model but you need those two types in your team too imo.

[Professor]

After the latest dismal performance, who was it who said the the team is, "simply not good enough"?  Oh, Yes.  It was Hasenhuttl.  After more than three years in charge of the team, that is his opinion.  It's not as if they were against a top-half premier league club, To lose so abysmally to a team on the fringe of the relegation zone is, surely, the final straw.    

Several people suggested to me that the new owners would replace Hasenhuttl once the season was over.  There didn't seem to be any benefit in doing it sooner because relegation appeared not to be a threat. But that has changed.  There is every reason to think we shall get no more points, finishing on 40.  The three teams immediately beneath us in the table all have games in hand which give them the possibility of overtaking us.  Unless we get something against Liverpool or Leicester, staying in this league will only be because one of those three clubs fails to get the points they need.  There is no longer anything to be gained by keeping Hasenhuttl in post a moment longer.       

[Toussaint]

58 minutes ago, EBS1980 said:

The big downside of this buy kids to progress and sell on for a profit is the inconsistency that comes with them being young.

I wish we went out and brought a centre back 26-29 age bracket who could lead the defence and also another older player for the team who was a leader. It’s all very well having this model but you need those two types in your team too imo.

It’s simply moneyball, the last few years, but I’ve always believed the moneyball philosophy is playing Russian Roulette with relegation. I think we will get away with it this season but we need a drastic change in strategy to continue. I do believe the people in power now understand that.

[S-Clarke]

6 minutes ago, Professor said:

After the latest dismal performance, who was it who said the the team is, "simply not good enough"?  Oh, Yes.  It was Hasenhuttl.  After more than three years in charge of the team, that is his opinion.  It's not as if they were against a top-half premier league club, To lose so abysmally to a team on the fringe of the relegation zone is, surely, the final straw.    

Several people suggested to me that the new owners would replace Hasenhuttl once the season was over.  There didn't seem to be any benefit in doing it sooner because relegation appeared not to be a threat. But that has changed.  There is every reason to think we shall get no more points, finishing on 40.  The three teams immediately beneath us in the table all have games in hand which give them the possibility of overtaking us.  Unless we get something against Liverpool or Leicester, staying in this league will only be because one of those three clubs fails to get the points they need.  There is no longer anything to be gained by keeping Hasenhuttl in post a moment longer.       

It would be pointless getting rid of him or doing anything at this moment. What would happen? We'd still lose to Liverpool whoever is in charge, then there's just one game left for any new person to shuffle around a very very poor outfit.

Absolutley no reason to do anything now, not with 2 games to go. It would be a stupid way to run a club. There's now no excuses for this season though club-wide, last year you could have pointed at injuries but this year not at all. The club need to stop showing faith in players who have consistently failed over many years and be ruthless with the squad evolvement. That's the only way we get better, changing the manager is just shuffling around the same deckchairs and expecting a different result.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

1 hour ago, EBS1980 said:

The big downside of this buy kids to progress and sell on for a profit is the inconsistency that comes with them being young.

I wish we went out and brought a centre back 26-29 age bracket who could lead the defence and also another older player for the team who was a leader. It’s all very well having this model but you need those two types in your team too imo.

Bednarek and Stephens are 26 and 28. We only had £7m to spend and I don't see how we could have got better for that amount

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

13 hours ago, Saints foreva said:

You forgot to mention not one but two 9-0 defeats as well as overseeing our record run of consecutive defeats. Terrible manager who has done the bare basics and acted passionate to get on the fans side. Puel was hounded out here for far less than what Hassenhuttl has given us and if Ralph had Puel's personality, many more people would want him gone. 

Totally agree.

If we had not had a disallowed goal in the league cup final Peul would be a hero.

[Chez]

8 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Bednarek and Stephens are 26 and 28. We only had £7m to spend and I don't see how we could have got better for that amount

Spot on. We have a reasonable mix of ages. It's quality that's lacking and then maximising what we have.

[Hawkswood]

Just to add my comment if anyone really cares. I've always been a Ralph fan and am incredibly grateful to him for all he's done for us under ridiculously tough circumstances  and at times has had us playing very good football.  I've never really wanted him to go before but for me also, I think it's time he leaves 

[geoffnut]

Can anybody post the statistics for Ralph as our manager?  Played, won drawn and lost, and points dropped from a winning position and goals for and against.

I think that they will make pretty dismal reading.

[Mr X]

13 hours ago, Saints foreva said:

You forgot to mention not one but two 9-0 defeats as well as overseeing our record run of consecutive defeats. Terrible manager who has done the bare basics and acted passionate to get on the fans side. Puel was hounded out here for far less than what Hassenhuttl has given us and if Ralph had Puel's personality, many more people would want him gone. 

This is true! Yes RH side are entertaining when it works but it so rarely works! these days you need more in your locker than being a high pressing team.... And Ralph simply doesn't have it... Found out in the premier league plain and simple 

[Whitey Grandad]

52 minutes ago, Thereisonlyonemickychannon said:

Totally agree.

If we had not had a disallowed goal in the league cup final Peul would be a hero.

We might have drawn

[Turkish]

54 minutes ago, Thereisonlyonemickychannon said:

Totally agree.

If we had not had a disallowed goal in the league cup final Peul would be a hero.

Yet only this week some people were claiming that Puels season was our worst season ever  

[whelk]

58 minutes ago, geoffnut said:

Can anybody post the statistics for Ralph as our manager?  Played, won drawn and lost, and points dropped from a winning position and goals for and against.

I think that they will make pretty dismal reading.

Commentator said no side has conceded more than Saints since Ralph been in charge. Although obviously needs qualifying as relegated sides are there for following season

[whelk]

18 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yet only this week some people were claiming that Puels season was our worst season ever  

People so blinkered about Puel. It was relative to what we came to expect after Poch and Koeman. Compared to the next two the bloke was a genius

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Yet only this week some people were claiming that Puels season was our worst season ever  

Not some people, only me as far as I can recall so why don’t you come out and name names? The football that we played was dire.

[Whitey Grandad]

42 minutes ago, whelk said:

People so blinkered about Puel. It was relative to what we came to expect after Poch and Koeman. Compared to the next two the bloke was a genius

That’s hardly a resounding endorsement.

[Appy]

57 minutes ago, whelk said:

People so blinkered about Puel. It was relative to what we came to expect after Poch and Koeman. Compared to the next two the bloke was a genius

Not sure  Puel being better than Hughes and Pellegrino is something for him to add to his CV. 

[Turkish]

33 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Not some people, only me as far as I can recall so why don’t you come out and name names? The football that we played was dire.

Yes, you. Even. week on it’s still one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve ever seen on here and that is some achievement 

[Tank]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Not some people, only me as far as I can recall so why don’t you come out and name names? The football that we played was dire.

it totally was.

... at least with Ralph we have had highs. And there is always something happening .... at one of the pitch or the other.

[Tank]

5 hours ago, jawillwill said:

I don't think anyone else other than Ralph has talked about us being a top 10 team in the last few weeks.

He may as well have talked about us having the chance to win the league. Both would have been just as likely of happening.

I like Ralph, he seems like a decent guy and think he genuinely likes Saints and probably wants to repay the faith thats been shown in him (by not sacking him after the 9-0 drubbings/ terrible runs of form). That being said, the time is up for him. If he isn't sacked in the next few days that presumably means he is in the clubs plays to carry on into next season which is a worry.

we were a single win away from being 9th ...

[Miltonaggro]

It will likely take a sex scandal to remove Ralph at this stage. Just got off the phone to big Neil Shipperley and he can be at Staplewood on Monday 9am if we have a whip to pay for a full tank in the Transit. 

[Barsiem]

10 minutes ago, Tank said:

it totally was.

... at least with Ralph we have had highs. And there is always something happening .... at one of the pitch or the other.

Are you really insinuating there were no highs under Puel??  The semi against Liverpool?  The final?  When we spanked Leicester (I think) 4-1 away?  beating Milan at home and the performance in the San Siro!

Tbh the main problem with Puel was his setup worked better away from home.  Seem to recall we had some great performances away that year, at home not so much 😂

Edited 8 May, 2022 by Barsiem
Added Milan

[Dman]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

People so blinkered about Puel. It was relative to what we came to expect after Poch and Koeman. Compared to the next two the bloke was a genius

The same could be said about Ralph. 
 

because he followed to clowns, some people seem to hold him in god like status blaming pretty much anyone but him. 

[Kermitzasaint]

A good coach tunes his formation,  tactics etc to suit his squad. Ralph has never done this. That's why he needs to go.

[Lord Duckhunter]

For all his critics I don’t recall our supporters singing “you don’t know what you’re doing” to Puel. They might not have liked what he was doing, but he had coherent tactical knowledge. Whilst 0-0 home games may have defined Puel, bringing OR on when he did yesterday just about summed up clueless  Ralph. It was a genuine collective WTAF from most of the away end. 

Edited 8 May, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter

[Matthew Le God]

6 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

For all his critics I don’t recall our supporters singing “you don’t know what you’re doing” to Puel. 

IIRC it turned pretty toxic in his final home games and there may have been some chanting against him.

[The Cat]

34 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

IIRC it turned pretty toxic in his final home games and there may have been some chanting against him.

There was plenty of booing at the end of games around that time, however I don't recall anyone chanting that he'd be getting sacked in the morning as people were yesterday.

[Suhari]

It was saddening to hear our fans yesterday: though I absolutely understand the frustration.

Shame that the great relationship that was in place seems to have eroded so much.

[Baird of the land]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

For all his critics I don’t recall our supporters singing “you don’t know what you’re doing” to Puel. They might not have liked what he was doing, but he had coherent tactical knowledge. Whilst 0-0 home games may have defined Puel, bringing OR on when he did yesterday just about summed up clueless  Ralph. It was a genuine collective WTAF from most of the away end. 

Bringing on Romeu then was probably sensible to stop it becoming 4 or 5.

What was clueless was doing nothing for 70 mins and then when he finally reacted it was the bizarre elyounessi move, which he had to fix later with the Romeu one.

[DT]

How he is still in a job is beyond me

[Lord Duckhunter]

16 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Bringing on Romeu then was probably sensible to stop it becoming 4 or 5.

 

Brentford FFS 

[Lallana's Left Peg]

5 hours ago, Kermitzasaint said:

A good coach tunes his formation,  tactics etc to suit his squad. Ralph has never done this. That's why he needs to go.

Some of the best coaches in the world have tunnel vision and seek complete buy-in to the way they want to play and refuse to adapt.  They also have the luxury of spending money on good players though - and Ralph does not (and not that I am comparing him to the best coaches in the world either).

What is lacking in the squad is an overall quality of player who is consistent.  We only have two or three consistent players and that absolutely wrecks any planning you can do - how do you know who on earth is going to turn up for 90mins each game?

[Saint Garrett]

My gut feeling was the “you don’t know what you’re doing” chant was started because they put up on the screen we were taking Adam Armstrong off for Romeu. And needed a goal. 

Stuart Armstrong who was having g a shocking game, was actually brought off which was fine. Romeu should have started, but thought the chances were undeserved. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

22 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

My gut feeling was the “you don’t know what you’re doing” chant was started because they put up on the screen we were taking Adam Armstrong off for Romeu. And needed a goal. 

What about “sacked in the morning”, perhaps they were singing it towards the bloke putting the substitutions on the screen. 
 

Not my gut feeling, what I witnessed during, after and in the local pubs on the way home, the away support turned against him Saturday. No doubt about it. 

[The Cat]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What about “sacked in the morning”, perhaps they were singing it towards the bloke putting the substitutions on the screen. 
 

Not my gut feeling, what I witnessed during, after and in the local pubs on the way home, the away support turned against him Saturday. No doubt about it. 

That was the impression I got too. Worth saying that due to the popularity of the game our support was those who go to the most matches and could therefore be considered our core fans. For some of them to start that chant was especially significant.

[skintsaint]

Ugh hasn't this bloke gone yet. Thought he would have been given his P45 yesterday.

[Far que]

4 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Ugh hasn't this bloke gone yet. Thought he would have been given his P45 yesterday.

saints dont want to pay this clown out,the only reason hes still here.

[Saint Garrett]

12 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What about “sacked in the morning”, perhaps they were singing it towards the bloke putting the substitutions on the screen. 
 

Not my gut feeling, what I witnessed during, after and in the local pubs on the way home, the away support turned against him Saturday. No doubt about it. 

You've missed my point, and there is no doubt some of our fans turned against him.  

[nta786]

12 hours ago, The Cat said:

That was the impression I got too. Worth saying that due to the popularity of the game our support was those who go to the most matches and could therefore be considered our core fans. For some of them to start that chant was especially significant.

Yep exactly, those at the game were likely season ticket holders with at least 5/6 aways to their name - so significant indeed. 

[Give it to Ron]

2 minutes ago, nta786 said:

Yep exactly, those at the game were likely season ticket holders with at least 5/6 aways to their name - so significant indeed. 

But not surprised and think fans have been very patient. Villa, Chelsea, Burnley, Watford, Palace have been absolute shit shows with no sign of Ralph being able to turn it round. 
Nice guy, loves the club but tactically clueless and no signs of this changeing.

Brings in players not played in weeks into the same shit formation that doesn’t work.

Look at Diallo how was he supposed to do what Romeu does when was his last start?

Smallbone started against Watford in a position he never plays gets hauled off 20 mins too late and hasn’t played a minute since!

Our centre is the problem against Burnley JWP was pressing the left back and easily bypassed leaving our centre wide open.

Its ok Ralph said we had higher xg against Burnley absolute shocking how bad we are only Brighton second half have we done anything and that appears to be a reaction to Tino injury giving them something to raise game for.

[Christophenburg]

I know we don’t play for another 10 days, but I feel it says a lot that some of the lads have jetted off on holiday. I wonder just how much Ralph encourages the players to take responsibility, or even pushes them when they’re underperforming

[Dman]

2 minutes ago, Christophenburg said:

I know we don’t play for another 10 days, but I feel it says a lot that some of the lads have jetted off on holiday. I wonder just how much Ralph encourages the players to take responsibility, or even pushes them when they’re underperforming

Being away from him for a short period of time will probably do them a favour. 

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Christophenburg said:

I know we don’t play for another 10 days, but I feel it says a lot that some of the lads have jetted off on holiday. I wonder just how much Ralph encourages the players to take responsibility, or even pushes them when they’re underperforming

Who has pissed off on holiday out of interest?

[Toussaint]

2 minutes ago, Christophenburg said:

I know we don’t play for another 10 days, but I feel it says a lot that some of the lads have jetted off on holiday. I wonder just how much Ralph encourages the players to take responsibility, or even pushes them when they’re underperforming

It feels like he's a busted flush, his authority has gone, its seems to have gone around the time of Villa away. We can only speculate why that is, he's not in the new owners plans, players had enough of Ralph looney ball, Ralph's retirement announcement,  half the squad either being shown the door or wanting out... the list goes on. But in answer to your question, I think he's pretty much done with this squad.

[Christophenburg]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Who has pissed off on holiday out of interest?

Definitely Lyanco - he’s in pictures his Mrs is taking in Ibiza. Rumour is Romeu is with him

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Christophenburg said:

Definitely Lyanco - he’s in pictures his Mrs is taking in Ibiza. Rumour is Romeu is with him

Poor show for me if they've buggered off. Might be telling in terms of if they feel they're hanging around next season.

I know Romeu was talking along the lines of keeping his options open not so long ago.