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11 hours ago, Turkish said:

Yep and people moaned them too. Pochetino had no plan b, couldn’t win a Game if we didn’t score first, didn’t take the cups seriously. Koeman had people calling for his head when we went on an awful run around Christmas time in his second season. Did worse in Europe than Puel did with one of the worst performances I ever seen in the game in Denmark. Fans moaned and bitched  about selling players and not buying adequate replacements. Pelle was booed on his home debut, mane should fuck off back to where he came from. Sheffield United away was the worst display ever, etc etc it wasn’t all the halcyon era of SFC you’re making it out to be. 

Very much a case of if people knew then what they know now.

 

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Ralph has presided over some very poor individual results and periods where we pick up few points. I watched a limited Everton side beat Chelsea yesterday and the Chelsea team was very similar to the one that hammered us 6-0 at St Marys and then took their foot off the pedal for the final 30 minutes. A weakness lurks in Ralph's teams that he seems incapable of shaking off. I am aware that he produces some good spells when we play well and put together good results but the rest of the time it's dreary sideways, backwards football, no creativity, lack of desire making it easy for our opponents. It is very frustrating although I accept that he is working on a tight budget. I just don't get the vast differences in performance levels and the sudden slumps which go on for large numbers of games.

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2 hours ago, Smirking_Saint said:

I don’t really know what the answer is but I am getting to the point where I wonder if Ralph has the ability to find any consistency over a 38 game season, especially as the wheels fall off when we really need that momentum for cup runs, relegation avoidance or European place pushes

Last season he did have the Injury list as mitigation for our awful form. This season he doesn’t have that. For his style to work he needs everyone fully fit and inform, when we even have two or three players not at it 100% then the wheels come off and we struggle to turn it round. And the weirdest thing of all in his three years here is I’m still not sure during his runs if we are a bad team in a good run of form or a good team in a bad run of form. 

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The new owners need to make a big call in the summer and replace Ralph. His comments abouts retiring was ill-judged and I don't think that has had a major impact but it wasn't smart. 

More significantly is the utter inconsistency of our performances. I'd be surprised if there's another team with as big a variance in level, possibly in tbe whole pyramid system!!

When we are good we are really good and arguably play top 6 type level. But when we are bad we are less than Premier League standard. 

He has been here long enough to be better than this. 

It feels to me that he "experiments" in different games when he considers the result less necessary. And by experimenting I mean formation changes and personnel changes which don't always makes sense given what has gone the games before.

 

He is clearly a good coach but I don't think he's as good a manager. 

We need someone who is more focused on results than development than Ralph but not someone who is only focused on results (a Mourinho type). 

 

Thank you Ralph for all the positive you've brought to the club but time to give someone else a go, with the new ownership hopefully going to invest more than the last one🤣

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10 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

On my metric is was the worst ever, and that’s all that matters to me especially as I am the one forking out the money to watch us play. You might have different views.

I’d love to know What your metric is because I doubt a single other person in the world would agree that Puels season was worse than any season under Branfoot or the two relegation seasons if they were going to matches in that period. 

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23 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I’d love to know What your metric is because I doubt a single other person in the world would agree that Puels season was worse than any season under Branfoot or the two relegation seasons if they were going to matches in that period. 

Entertainment.

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28 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Last season he did have the Injury list as mitigation for our awful form. This season he doesn’t have that. For his style to work he needs everyone fully fit and inform, when we even have two or three players not at it 100% then the wheels come off and we struggle to turn it round. And the weirdest thing of all in his three years here is I’m still not sure during his runs if we are a bad team in a good run of form or a good team in a bad run of form. 

I wonder how much effect Ramadan has had on this. It’s asking a lot for a highly trained athlete to be at his best if he goes without food or water for nine hours or more. As far as I know we have Diallo, Djenepo, Salisu, Elyonoussi and Valery who observe Ramadan. I wonder how other clubs cope with this?

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Just now, Whitey Grandad said:

One that you have to pay a lot of money to watch.

You pay a lot of money to watch a sporting contest, not to be “entertained”. If that contest entertains you, then great. If it doesn’t, tough shit. To judge a season or a manager on being entertained is pure noddy. 

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17 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

One that you have to pay a lot of money to watch.

What about Man City in the cup, they were great werent they. Spurs at home last season, Kane and Son were amazing, kept us all entertained. If you’re paying a fee just to be entertained you got your money worth 

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21 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

One that you have to pay a lot of money to watch.

I’m still truly baffled that you found a season when we’re were got relegated after getting humped every week by average championship teams more entertaining than playing in Europe, getting to a cup final and finishing 8th. I guess not everyone’s idea of entertainment is the same 

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As Ralph has already decided on his retirement, and with the boards talk of continuity throughout the club I wonder if a succesor will be brought in to work alongside Ralph for a season until he hangs up his boots completely?

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15 minutes ago, Huffton said:

As Ralph has already decided on his retirement, and with the boards talk of continuity throughout the club I wonder if a succesor will be brought in to work alongside Ralph for a season until he hangs up his boots completely?

No he hasn't. 

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/southampton-boss-ralph-hasenhuttl-plays-down-retirement-speculation-1644324180000

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1 hour ago, hackedoff said:

Ralph is like that faithful old sheepdog,done it's best,put in a shift,but alas is now not up to it anymore.

Time to back the landrover over it.

Sheepdogs employ quite clever tactics to get the job done

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3 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

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Think we could usefully pop into the timeline the period when players are looking at transfer windows or thinking about next season. Suggest big correlation between that and poor results. Problem of being a stepping stone club. 

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Funnily enough, you can neatly split this season into 3 segments - 7 games winless to start the season, followed by a really quite exceptional (for our squad) haul of 31 points in the next 19 games and finally the current 9+ game streak where we've only managed 5 points. A period of literally top 6 form for half a season sandwiched between 2 periods of form that would have us level with Norwich over a season and relegated. Considering it's the same players, with the same coaching staff and not even dependent on quality of opponent (we've taken points off the top 6 and lost to relegation zone teams) you can see why there would be strong views either side on how well Ralph has done this season.

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No coincidence that the good spell was also Broja's good spell. He was our difference maker even when not scoring (WH & MU away for example) and as soon as his form tailed off so did our points.

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14 hours ago, Teddeer said:

I just don't get the vast differences in performance levels and the sudden slumps which go on for large numbers of games.

I think that is a reflection on the lack of leaders in the squad rather than Ralph. We were in very good form in January and February, we then had an off day at Villa and suffered a bad defeat. That should have been a "bad day at the office" and if we had 6 or 7 really good leaders then I think it would have been. Instead we were incredibly flat a few days later against Newcastle and then followed up that with the worst performance of the season against Watford. Total capitulation and all confidence gone in the space of a week.

If you were to name the leaders in this squad you'd say JWP, Romeu and maybe Theo at a push (I'm sure he's a very good influence in training even if we don't see him on the pitch much). That is nowhere near enough and needs to be corrected in the summer. We have plenty of young talent and potential to nurture over the next few years, but what this squad is crying out for is a few more Jose Fonte types who are going to ensure we are able to dig ourselves out of trouble when it's needed.

GK, CB, AM, ST at a minimum need to be signed. All of them good enough to come into the team and be certain starters on day 1. If we do that then we can judge Ralph properly, rather than calling for him to go when he is working with such a weak and fragile group

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1 hour ago, Verbal Kint said:

I think that is a reflection on the lack of leaders in the squad rather than Ralph. We were in very good form in January and February, we then had an off day at Villa and suffered a bad defeat. That should have been a "bad day at the office" and if we had 6 or 7 really good leaders then I think it would have been. Instead we were incredibly flat a few days later against Newcastle and then followed up that with the worst performance of the season against Watford. Total capitulation and all confidence gone in the space of a week.

If you were to name the leaders in this squad you'd say JWP, Romeu and maybe Theo at a push (I'm sure he's a very good influence in training even if we don't see him on the pitch much). That is nowhere near enough and needs to be corrected in the summer. We have plenty of young talent and potential to nurture over the next few years, but what this squad is crying out for is a few more Jose Fonte types who are going to ensure we are able to dig ourselves out of trouble when it's needed.

GK, CB, AM, ST at a minimum need to be signed. All of them good enough to come into the team and be certain starters on day 1. If we do that then we can judge Ralph properly, rather than calling for him to go when he is working with such a weak and fragile group

One word……Lyanco, a natural leader.

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5 hours ago, Verbal Kint said:

I think that is a reflection on the lack of leaders in the squad rather than Ralph. We were in very good form in January and February, we then had an off day at Villa and suffered a bad defeat. That should have been a "bad day at the office" and if we had 6 or 7 really good leaders then I think it would have been. Instead we were incredibly flat a few days later against Newcastle and then followed up that with the worst performance of the season against Watford. Total capitulation and all confidence gone in the space of a week.

If you were to name the leaders in this squad you'd say JWP, Romeu and maybe Theo at a push (I'm sure he's a very good influence in training even if we don't see him on the pitch much). That is nowhere near enough and needs to be corrected in the summer. We have plenty of young talent and potential to nurture over the next few years, but what this squad is crying out for is a few more Jose Fonte types who are going to ensure we are able to dig ourselves out of trouble when it's needed.

GK, CB, AM, ST at a minimum need to be signed. All of them good enough to come into the team and be certain starters on day 1. If we do that then we can judge Ralph properly, rather than calling for him to go when he is working with such a weak and fragile group

All sounds very grand and simple. However one reason we don’t have many ‘leaders’ both on the pitch and off is because Ralph appears to be an autocrat. 
He may not take kindly to others input and may be indifferent to being challenged or maybe even helped.

This characteristic is not really helpful in a team environment and particularly in this age. It is also impossible to do everything yourself and be able to make good decisions without input from others in the ‘team’

This is my perception of the way Ralph operates.

Strong characters and leaders are potential threats to autocrats and autocrats can tend to avoid recruiting them or to ostracise them or even encourage them to leave if they emerge. 
Yes we do lack leaders and strong characters in the team…. Why is that..?

 

 


 


 

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3 hours ago, captainchris said:

All sounds very grand and simple. However one reason we don’t have many ‘leaders’ both on the pitch and off is because Ralph appears to be an autocrat. 
He may not take kindly to others input and may be indifferent to being challenged or maybe even helped.

This characteristic is not really helpful in a team environment and particularly in this age. It is also impossible to do everything yourself and be able to make good decisions without input from others in the ‘team’

This is my perception of the way Ralph operates.

Strong characters and leaders are potential threats to autocrats and autocrats can tend to avoid recruiting them or to ostracise them or even encourage them to leave if they emerge. 
Yes we do lack leaders and strong characters in the team…. Why is that..?

 

 


 


 

I think that's part of it, but we also seem to have  had a policy of recruiting "nice boys" for some time, when we could really do with a couple of shithouses in the team, but they would be inevitably harder to manage, and the club and management would not entertain that. 

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12 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

I think that's part of it, but we also seem to have  had a policy of recruiting "nice boys" for some time, when we could really do with a couple of shithouses in the team, but they would be inevitably harder to manage, and the club and management would not entertain that. 

Exactly and true it’s unlikely to happen for the reason you allude to and I have set out…. 
Lyanko appears to be in that category but is rarely let out of his box even after a decent performance…. Again a familiar Ralph trait….  

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I admit to being fickle about Ralph ie like him when the going is good and frustrated when we perform abysmally, but 3 days after the Palace game and in the cold light of day, I have finally come down permanently on the side of the fence that thinks a parting of the ways would be beneficial. We all like how he has taken the club to his heart, his passion and commitment can’t really be faulted, but his idiosyncratic decision making (Long over Armstrong the latest) is actually holding back progress and he seems unable to grasp basic facts like the Salisu long throw tactic is never going to work. 
New ownership is a good time for new direction under a different manager. 

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5 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I admit to being fickle about Ralph ie like him when the going is good and frustrated when we perform abysmally, but 3 days after the Palace game and in the cold light of day, I have finally come down permanently on the side of the fence that thinks a parting of the ways would be beneficial. We all like how he has taken the club to his heart, his passion and commitment can’t really be faulted, but his idiosyncratic decision making (Long over Armstrong the latest) is actually holding back progress and he seems unable to grasp basic facts like the Salisu long throw tactic is never going to work. 
New ownership is a good time for new direction under a different manager. 

Armstrong has looked totally and utterly broken for 6 months+. I’m amazed anyone advocates him starting. We all want him to come good, but his last start (City cup game?) was a painful watch. He needs time away on loan. 

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9 minutes ago, benali-shorts said:

Armstrong has looked totally and utterly broken for 6 months+. I’m amazed anyone advocates him starting. We all want him to come good, but his last start (City cup game?) was a painful watch. He needs time away on loan. 

To what profile of club? More time in the Championship won't get him ready for the Premier League as he is already too good for that level. Plus if he did leave on loan, he'd need replacing in our 1st team squad next season as we'd be down a striker and we'd then have two strikers for one role in the summer of 2023 when he returns. 

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4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

To what profile of club? More time in the Championship won't get him ready for the Premier League as he is already too good for that level. Plus if he did leave on loan, he'd need replacing in our 1st team squad next season as we'd be down a striker and we'd then have two strikers for one role in the summer of 2023 when he returns. 

He needs to recapture his confidence, so I’d imagine a return to the Championship (or eg Scottish prem) would be the likeliest level. Although you state he’s “too good” for the Championship, I’m not sure he’s seemed ready for the Premier League based on this season’s performances,  and his experience over the last 9 months seems to have adversely affected his confidence, so he might need to take a step back to a more familiar level to regain his self belief. What would you do with him? 

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1 minute ago, benali-shorts said:

He needs to recapture his confidence, so I’d imagine a return to the Championship (or eg Scottish prem) would be the likeliest level. Although you state he’s “too good” for the Championship, I’m not sure he’s seemed ready for the Premier League based on this season’s performances,  and his experience over the last 9 months seems to have adversely affected his confidence, so he might need to take a step back to a more familiar level to regain his self belief. What would you do with him? 

I’m pretty sure this kind of conversation was being had about Adam’s and he’s come good. Clearly being a goal scorer in the championship isn’t enough to have you ready for the premier league. 
Keep him here, get him playing and up to speed and hope he finds his feet.

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3 minutes ago, SaintZamboni said:

I’m pretty sure this kind of conversation was being had about Adam’s and he’s come good. Clearly being a goal scorer in the championship isn’t enough to have you ready for the premier league. 
Keep him here, get him playing and up to speed and hope he finds his feet.

I hope so. He seems to have some good attributes - pace; finding space - but has just appeared totally shell-shocked in the last 6 months. Sometimes a goal can be enough to rejuvenate; sometimes the step up is just too great. Let's hope it's the former. 

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6 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Based on what? 

 

5 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I admit to being fickle about Ralph ie like him when the going is good and frustrated when we perform abysmally, but 3 days after the Palace game and in the cold light of day, I have finally come down permanently on the side of the fence that thinks a parting of the ways would be beneficial. We all like how he has taken the club to his heart, his passion and commitment can’t really be faulted, but his idiosyncratic decision making (Long over Armstrong the latest) is actually holding back progress and he seems unable to grasp basic facts like the Salisu long throw tactic is never going to work. 
New ownership is a good time for new direction under a different manager. 

Agree with that, although I'm not sure that Ralph can be criticised for picking the ineffective Long over the ineffective Armstrong. Long at least has some aerial  presence. 

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1 minute ago, egg said:

 

Agree with that, although I'm not sure that Ralph can be criticised for picking the ineffective Long over the ineffective Armstrong. Long at least has some aerial  presence. 

Fair enough. A little bit of me dies when I see Long in the starting line up. Agree Armstrong at least offers the hope of perhaps coming good. 

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3 minutes ago, benali-shorts said:

Fair enough. A little bit of me dies when I see Long in the starting line up. Agree Armstrong at least offers the hope of perhaps coming good. 

I think Armstrong needs shelving this season, then a strong pre season to get his confidence back. He's shown glimpses, and although  I'm not convinced there's a premier league player there, he needs another season to show what he can do.

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8 minutes ago, egg said:

 

Agree with that, although I'm not sure that Ralph can be criticised for picking the ineffective Long over the ineffective Armstrong. Long at least has some aerial  presence. 

Sorry, should have read your comment closer. Long or Armstrong akin to shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic. 

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6 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He’s not “too good” for the championship, don’t talk pony. 

Not 'pony'. Scoring 28 goals in 40 league games for a mid table team shows he has been there, done it and got the t-shirt at that level. Little else for him to prove at that level.

He is struggling to make an impression in the PL, but that doesn't mean he isn't too good for the Championship. At the moment he looks like one of those players whose quality is between the quality level of the two leagues.

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4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Not 'pony'. Scoring 28 goals in 40 league games for a mid table team shows he has been there, done it and got the t-shirt at that level. Little else for him to prove at that level.

He is struggling to make an impression in the PL, but that doesn't mean he isn't too good for the Championship. At the moment he looks like one of those players whose quality is between the quality level of the two leagues.

It is like saying Norwich are too good for the championship.

reality.......

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Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

It is like saying Norwich are too good for the championship.

reality.......

Yes, Norwich are too good for the Championship. 

But saying a club or player is too good for the Championship does not mean you are also saying they are good enough for the PL. Hence the yo-yoing.

They are floating at a level of quality between the two.

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