Alan Sugarfree Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 11 hours ago, Turkish said: Yep and people moaned them too. Pochetino had no plan b, couldn’t win a Game if we didn’t score first, didn’t take the cups seriously. Koeman had people calling for his head when we went on an awful run around Christmas time in his second season. Did worse in Europe than Puel did with one of the worst performances I ever seen in the game in Denmark. Fans moaned and bitched about selling players and not buying adequate replacements. Pelle was booed on his home debut, mane should fuck off back to where he came from. Sheffield United away was the worst display ever, etc etc it wasn’t all the halcyon era of SFC you’re making it out to be. Very much a case of if people knew then what they know now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 Ralph has presided over some very poor individual results and periods where we pick up few points. I watched a limited Everton side beat Chelsea yesterday and the Chelsea team was very similar to the one that hammered us 6-0 at St Marys and then took their foot off the pedal for the final 30 minutes. A weakness lurks in Ralph's teams that he seems incapable of shaking off. I am aware that he produces some good spells when we play well and put together good results but the rest of the time it's dreary sideways, backwards football, no creativity, lack of desire making it easy for our opponents. It is very frustrating although I accept that he is working on a tight budget. I just don't get the vast differences in performance levels and the sudden slumps which go on for large numbers of games. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 2 hours ago, Smirking_Saint said: I don’t really know what the answer is but I am getting to the point where I wonder if Ralph has the ability to find any consistency over a 38 game season, especially as the wheels fall off when we really need that momentum for cup runs, relegation avoidance or European place pushes Last season he did have the Injury list as mitigation for our awful form. This season he doesn’t have that. For his style to work he needs everyone fully fit and inform, when we even have two or three players not at it 100% then the wheels come off and we struggle to turn it round. And the weirdest thing of all in his three years here is I’m still not sure during his runs if we are a bad team in a good run of form or a good team in a bad run of form. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 The new owners need to make a big call in the summer and replace Ralph. His comments abouts retiring was ill-judged and I don't think that has had a major impact but it wasn't smart. More significantly is the utter inconsistency of our performances. I'd be surprised if there's another team with as big a variance in level, possibly in tbe whole pyramid system!! When we are good we are really good and arguably play top 6 type level. But when we are bad we are less than Premier League standard. He has been here long enough to be better than this. It feels to me that he "experiments" in different games when he considers the result less necessary. And by experimenting I mean formation changes and personnel changes which don't always makes sense given what has gone the games before. He is clearly a good coach but I don't think he's as good a manager. We need someone who is more focused on results than development than Ralph but not someone who is only focused on results (a Mourinho type). Thank you Ralph for all the positive you've brought to the club but time to give someone else a go, with the new ownership hopefully going to invest more than the last one🤣 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 10 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: On my metric is was the worst ever, and that’s all that matters to me especially as I am the one forking out the money to watch us play. You might have different views. I’d love to know What your metric is because I doubt a single other person in the world would agree that Puels season was worse than any season under Branfoot or the two relegation seasons if they were going to matches in that period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 23 minutes ago, Turkish said: I’d love to know What your metric is because I doubt a single other person in the world would agree that Puels season was worse than any season under Branfoot or the two relegation seasons if they were going to matches in that period. Entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 28 minutes ago, Turkish said: Last season he did have the Injury list as mitigation for our awful form. This season he doesn’t have that. For his style to work he needs everyone fully fit and inform, when we even have two or three players not at it 100% then the wheels come off and we struggle to turn it round. And the weirdest thing of all in his three years here is I’m still not sure during his runs if we are a bad team in a good run of form or a good team in a bad run of form. I wonder how much effect Ramadan has had on this. It’s asking a lot for a highly trained athlete to be at his best if he goes without food or water for nine hours or more. As far as I know we have Diallo, Djenepo, Salisu, Elyonoussi and Valery who observe Ramadan. I wonder how other clubs cope with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: Entertainment. You must have loved that Chelsea game then, great entertainment, they were excellent weren’t they? Lots of goals too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: Entertainment. It’s fucking sport, competitive sport. Why don’t we start up a Harlem Globetrotters type team for noddy fans who want “entertaining”…. Edited 2 May, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 35 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: It’s fucking sport, competitive sport. Why don’t we start up a Harlem Globetrotters type team for noddy fans who want “entertaining”…. One that you have to pay a lot of money to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 39 minutes ago, Turkish said: You must have loved that Chelsea game then, great entertainment, they were excellent weren’t they? Lots of goals too. One game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 Just now, Whitey Grandad said: One that you have to pay a lot of money to watch. You pay a lot of money to watch a sporting contest, not to be “entertained”. If that contest entertains you, then great. If it doesn’t, tough shit. To judge a season or a manager on being entertained is pure noddy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 17 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: One that you have to pay a lot of money to watch. What about Man City in the cup, they were great werent they. Spurs at home last season, Kane and Son were amazing, kept us all entertained. If you’re paying a fee just to be entertained you got your money worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 21 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: One that you have to pay a lot of money to watch. I’m still truly baffled that you found a season when we’re were got relegated after getting humped every week by average championship teams more entertaining than playing in Europe, getting to a cup final and finishing 8th. I guess not everyone’s idea of entertainment is the same 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 As Ralph has already decided on his retirement, and with the boards talk of continuity throughout the club I wonder if a succesor will be brought in to work alongside Ralph for a season until he hangs up his boots completely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 15 minutes ago, Huffton said: As Ralph has already decided on his retirement, and with the boards talk of continuity throughout the club I wonder if a succesor will be brought in to work alongside Ralph for a season until he hangs up his boots completely? No he hasn't. https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/southampton-boss-ralph-hasenhuttl-plays-down-retirement-speculation-1644324180000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 Ralph is like that faithful old sheepdog,done it's best,put in a shift,but alas is now not up to it anymore. Time to back the landrover over it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 11 hours ago, Sarisbury Saint said: Branfoot by far the worst. He makes Ralph look like Koop. "Hold my beer ..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 Would anyone have Koeman back? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 12 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: Would anyone have Koeman back? Yes and no. Yes as I liked him but without investment he wouldn't achieve what he did last time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 1 hour ago, hackedoff said: Ralph is like that faithful old sheepdog,done it's best,put in a shift,but alas is now not up to it anymore. Time to back the landrover over it. Sheepdogs employ quite clever tactics to get the job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 23 minutes ago, Dark Munster said: "Hold my beer ..." Pellegrino for me. I genuinely don't know how we stayed up that season. We were awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DT Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dr Who? said: Think we could usefully pop into the timeline the period when players are looking at transfer windows or thinking about next season. Suggest big correlation between that and poor results. Problem of being a stepping stone club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolus Ex Machina Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 Funnily enough, you can neatly split this season into 3 segments - 7 games winless to start the season, followed by a really quite exceptional (for our squad) haul of 31 points in the next 19 games and finally the current 9+ game streak where we've only managed 5 points. A period of literally top 6 form for half a season sandwiched between 2 periods of form that would have us level with Norwich over a season and relegated. Considering it's the same players, with the same coaching staff and not even dependent on quality of opponent (we've taken points off the top 6 and lost to relegation zone teams) you can see why there would be strong views either side on how well Ralph has done this season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 2 May, 2022 Share Posted 2 May, 2022 No coincidence that the good spell was also Broja's good spell. He was our difference maker even when not scoring (WH & MU away for example) and as soon as his form tailed off so did our points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 14 hours ago, Teddeer said: I just don't get the vast differences in performance levels and the sudden slumps which go on for large numbers of games. I think that is a reflection on the lack of leaders in the squad rather than Ralph. We were in very good form in January and February, we then had an off day at Villa and suffered a bad defeat. That should have been a "bad day at the office" and if we had 6 or 7 really good leaders then I think it would have been. Instead we were incredibly flat a few days later against Newcastle and then followed up that with the worst performance of the season against Watford. Total capitulation and all confidence gone in the space of a week. If you were to name the leaders in this squad you'd say JWP, Romeu and maybe Theo at a push (I'm sure he's a very good influence in training even if we don't see him on the pitch much). That is nowhere near enough and needs to be corrected in the summer. We have plenty of young talent and potential to nurture over the next few years, but what this squad is crying out for is a few more Jose Fonte types who are going to ensure we are able to dig ourselves out of trouble when it's needed. GK, CB, AM, ST at a minimum need to be signed. All of them good enough to come into the team and be certain starters on day 1. If we do that then we can judge Ralph properly, rather than calling for him to go when he is working with such a weak and fragile group 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 1 hour ago, Verbal Kint said: I think that is a reflection on the lack of leaders in the squad rather than Ralph. We were in very good form in January and February, we then had an off day at Villa and suffered a bad defeat. That should have been a "bad day at the office" and if we had 6 or 7 really good leaders then I think it would have been. Instead we were incredibly flat a few days later against Newcastle and then followed up that with the worst performance of the season against Watford. Total capitulation and all confidence gone in the space of a week. If you were to name the leaders in this squad you'd say JWP, Romeu and maybe Theo at a push (I'm sure he's a very good influence in training even if we don't see him on the pitch much). That is nowhere near enough and needs to be corrected in the summer. We have plenty of young talent and potential to nurture over the next few years, but what this squad is crying out for is a few more Jose Fonte types who are going to ensure we are able to dig ourselves out of trouble when it's needed. GK, CB, AM, ST at a minimum need to be signed. All of them good enough to come into the team and be certain starters on day 1. If we do that then we can judge Ralph properly, rather than calling for him to go when he is working with such a weak and fragile group One word……Lyanco, a natural leader. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 5 hours ago, Verbal Kint said: I think that is a reflection on the lack of leaders in the squad rather than Ralph. We were in very good form in January and February, we then had an off day at Villa and suffered a bad defeat. That should have been a "bad day at the office" and if we had 6 or 7 really good leaders then I think it would have been. Instead we were incredibly flat a few days later against Newcastle and then followed up that with the worst performance of the season against Watford. Total capitulation and all confidence gone in the space of a week. If you were to name the leaders in this squad you'd say JWP, Romeu and maybe Theo at a push (I'm sure he's a very good influence in training even if we don't see him on the pitch much). That is nowhere near enough and needs to be corrected in the summer. We have plenty of young talent and potential to nurture over the next few years, but what this squad is crying out for is a few more Jose Fonte types who are going to ensure we are able to dig ourselves out of trouble when it's needed. GK, CB, AM, ST at a minimum need to be signed. All of them good enough to come into the team and be certain starters on day 1. If we do that then we can judge Ralph properly, rather than calling for him to go when he is working with such a weak and fragile group All sounds very grand and simple. However one reason we don’t have many ‘leaders’ both on the pitch and off is because Ralph appears to be an autocrat. He may not take kindly to others input and may be indifferent to being challenged or maybe even helped. This characteristic is not really helpful in a team environment and particularly in this age. It is also impossible to do everything yourself and be able to make good decisions without input from others in the ‘team’ This is my perception of the way Ralph operates. Strong characters and leaders are potential threats to autocrats and autocrats can tend to avoid recruiting them or to ostracise them or even encourage them to leave if they emerge. Yes we do lack leaders and strong characters in the team…. Why is that..? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 3 hours ago, captainchris said: All sounds very grand and simple. However one reason we don’t have many ‘leaders’ both on the pitch and off is because Ralph appears to be an autocrat. He may not take kindly to others input and may be indifferent to being challenged or maybe even helped. This characteristic is not really helpful in a team environment and particularly in this age. It is also impossible to do everything yourself and be able to make good decisions without input from others in the ‘team’ This is my perception of the way Ralph operates. Strong characters and leaders are potential threats to autocrats and autocrats can tend to avoid recruiting them or to ostracise them or even encourage them to leave if they emerge. Yes we do lack leaders and strong characters in the team…. Why is that..? I think that's part of it, but we also seem to have had a policy of recruiting "nice boys" for some time, when we could really do with a couple of shithouses in the team, but they would be inevitably harder to manage, and the club and management would not entertain that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 12 minutes ago, Toussaint said: I think that's part of it, but we also seem to have had a policy of recruiting "nice boys" for some time, when we could really do with a couple of shithouses in the team, but they would be inevitably harder to manage, and the club and management would not entertain that. Exactly and true it’s unlikely to happen for the reason you allude to and I have set out…. Lyanko appears to be in that category but is rarely let out of his box even after a decent performance…. Again a familiar Ralph trait…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 I admit to being fickle about Ralph ie like him when the going is good and frustrated when we perform abysmally, but 3 days after the Palace game and in the cold light of day, I have finally come down permanently on the side of the fence that thinks a parting of the ways would be beneficial. We all like how he has taken the club to his heart, his passion and commitment can’t really be faulted, but his idiosyncratic decision making (Long over Armstrong the latest) is actually holding back progress and he seems unable to grasp basic facts like the Salisu long throw tactic is never going to work. New ownership is a good time for new direction under a different manager. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 Steve Cooper or Thomas Frank that is the question? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 53 minutes ago, gammon cheeks said: Steve Cooper or Thomas Frank that is the question? How is that a question? Has RH been sacked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 5 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said: I admit to being fickle about Ralph ie like him when the going is good and frustrated when we perform abysmally, but 3 days after the Palace game and in the cold light of day, I have finally come down permanently on the side of the fence that thinks a parting of the ways would be beneficial. We all like how he has taken the club to his heart, his passion and commitment can’t really be faulted, but his idiosyncratic decision making (Long over Armstrong the latest) is actually holding back progress and he seems unable to grasp basic facts like the Salisu long throw tactic is never going to work. New ownership is a good time for new direction under a different manager. Armstrong has looked totally and utterly broken for 6 months+. I’m amazed anyone advocates him starting. We all want him to come good, but his last start (City cup game?) was a painful watch. He needs time away on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, benali-shorts said: Armstrong has looked totally and utterly broken for 6 months+. I’m amazed anyone advocates him starting. We all want him to come good, but his last start (City cup game?) was a painful watch. He needs time away on loan. To what profile of club? More time in the Championship won't get him ready for the Premier League as he is already too good for that level. Plus if he did leave on loan, he'd need replacing in our 1st team squad next season as we'd be down a striker and we'd then have two strikers for one role in the summer of 2023 when he returns. Edited 3 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: To what profile of club? More time in the Championship won't get him ready for the Premier League as he is already too good for that level. Plus if he did leave on loan, he'd need replacing in our 1st team squad next season as we'd be down a striker and we'd then have two strikers for one role in the summer of 2023 when he returns. He needs to recapture his confidence, so I’d imagine a return to the Championship (or eg Scottish prem) would be the likeliest level. Although you state he’s “too good” for the Championship, I’m not sure he’s seemed ready for the Premier League based on this season’s performances, and his experience over the last 9 months seems to have adversely affected his confidence, so he might need to take a step back to a more familiar level to regain his self belief. What would you do with him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 1 minute ago, benali-shorts said: He needs to recapture his confidence, so I’d imagine a return to the Championship (or eg Scottish prem) would be the likeliest level. Although you state he’s “too good” for the Championship, I’m not sure he’s seemed ready for the Premier League based on this season’s performances, and his experience over the last 9 months seems to have adversely affected his confidence, so he might need to take a step back to a more familiar level to regain his self belief. What would you do with him? I’m pretty sure this kind of conversation was being had about Adam’s and he’s come good. Clearly being a goal scorer in the championship isn’t enough to have you ready for the premier league. Keep him here, get him playing and up to speed and hope he finds his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 10 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: as he is already too good for that level. Based on what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 3 minutes ago, SaintZamboni said: I’m pretty sure this kind of conversation was being had about Adam’s and he’s come good. Clearly being a goal scorer in the championship isn’t enough to have you ready for the premier league. Keep him here, get him playing and up to speed and hope he finds his feet. I hope so. He seems to have some good attributes - pace; finding space - but has just appeared totally shell-shocked in the last 6 months. Sometimes a goal can be enough to rejuvenate; sometimes the step up is just too great. Let's hope it's the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 6 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Based on what? 5 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said: I admit to being fickle about Ralph ie like him when the going is good and frustrated when we perform abysmally, but 3 days after the Palace game and in the cold light of day, I have finally come down permanently on the side of the fence that thinks a parting of the ways would be beneficial. We all like how he has taken the club to his heart, his passion and commitment can’t really be faulted, but his idiosyncratic decision making (Long over Armstrong the latest) is actually holding back progress and he seems unable to grasp basic facts like the Salisu long throw tactic is never going to work. New ownership is a good time for new direction under a different manager. Agree with that, although I'm not sure that Ralph can be criticised for picking the ineffective Long over the ineffective Armstrong. Long at least has some aerial presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Based on what? Scoring 28 goals for a mid table team. At the moment he is too good for the Championship, but not good enough for the Premier League. Edited 3 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 1 minute ago, egg said: Agree with that, although I'm not sure that Ralph can be criticised for picking the ineffective Long over the ineffective Armstrong. Long at least has some aerial presence. Fair enough. A little bit of me dies when I see Long in the starting line up. Agree Armstrong at least offers the hope of perhaps coming good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 3 minutes ago, benali-shorts said: Fair enough. A little bit of me dies when I see Long in the starting line up. Agree Armstrong at least offers the hope of perhaps coming good. I think Armstrong needs shelving this season, then a strong pre season to get his confidence back. He's shown glimpses, and although I'm not convinced there's a premier league player there, he needs another season to show what he can do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 8 minutes ago, egg said: Agree with that, although I'm not sure that Ralph can be criticised for picking the ineffective Long over the ineffective Armstrong. Long at least has some aerial presence. Sorry, should have read your comment closer. Long or Armstrong akin to shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 Checked Ralphs last season at RB Leipzig. Top scorer was Werner with 13, with the rest of the goals spread around, maybe Ralphs system is the problem along with our quality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: Scoring 29 goals for a mid table team. At the moment he is too good for the Championship, but not good enough for the Premier League. He’s not “too good” for the championship, don’t talk pony. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: He’s not “too good” for the championship, don’t talk pony. Not 'pony'. Scoring 28 goals in 40 league games for a mid table team shows he has been there, done it and got the t-shirt at that level. Little else for him to prove at that level. He is struggling to make an impression in the PL, but that doesn't mean he isn't too good for the Championship. At the moment he looks like one of those players whose quality is between the quality level of the two leagues. Edited 3 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Not 'pony'. Scoring 28 goals in 40 league games for a mid table team shows he has been there, done it and got the t-shirt at that level. Little else for him to prove at that level. He is struggling to make an impression in the PL, but that doesn't mean he isn't too good for the Championship. At the moment he looks like one of those players whose quality is between the quality level of the two leagues. It is like saying Norwich are too good for the championship. reality....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 May, 2022 Share Posted 3 May, 2022 Just now, AlexLaw76 said: It is like saying Norwich are too good for the championship. reality....... Yes, Norwich are too good for the Championship. But saying a club or player is too good for the Championship does not mean you are also saying they are good enough for the PL. Hence the yo-yoing. They are floating at a level of quality between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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