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LuckyNumber7

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I'm a long term Ralph supporter but starting with 35yo Shane Long in attack is reason enough on it's own to be sacked.

I like Ralph and think he's got a lot of plus points but after yet more thrown away points today I do feel like we need a change. The whole club is feeling a bit stale right now, there's no buzz or excitement, just a ton of apathy. A new manager with some fresh ideas along with a bit of an overhaul of the playing squad could be what we need. It's a gamble though as Ralph pretty much guarantees survival each year.

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The Kraken

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3 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

I'm a long term Ralph supporter but starting with 35yo Shane Long in attack is reason enough on it's own to be sacked.

It’s just such a crazy decision. I could maybe understand it if we were away, or playing a top side. Keep it tight etc. but it’s Palace at home, we were above them. Stupid decision and I can only think Long is in Ralph’s plans for next season, which would be barmy.

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Dman

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1 minute ago, SaintsLoyal said:

He was a dead man walking after the second 9-0, but we couldnt afford to get rid of him.  Its not justa bout him though, the deadwood assistants on the bench need to go as well and not be retained again due to their assslicking.

We need a clear out all across the playing staff imo. The players need to shoulder a lot of the responsibility as well and half of them just mentally are far to weak to be premier league players. 

Time and time again, when the going gets tough, they give up. 

Im not a huge fan of Ralph in terms of his management ability, I think he’s massively overrated and seemingly many make any excuse for him. 

That being said, he seems a decent, honest, bloke and when he does go, I’d wish him all the best in the future. 

Big job for the new ownership to turn this ship around imo. 

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saintscottofthenortham

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2 minutes ago, Dman said:

We need a clear out all across the playing staff imo. The players need to shoulder a lot of the responsibility as well and half of them just mentally are far to weak to be premier league players. 

Time and time again, when the going gets tough, they give up. 

Im not a huge fan of Ralph in terms of his management ability, I think he’s massively overrated and seemingly many make any excuse for him. 

That being said, he seems a decent, honest, bloke and when he does go, I’d wish him all the best in the future. 

Big job for the new ownership to turn this ship around imo. 

Would you trust Ralph to have a mass clear out and build a fresh team, judged on the decisions he makes on his starting XI's? 

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Badger

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1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Not for me to say. But time for something different!

Many of us said this about Chris Nicholl and thought a change of manager would see a change in fortunes.

It did of course, but in the wrong direction.

Not to say that we shouldn’t make a change for fear, but have to wonder who would be the decision maker and are we confident they’d get it right ? 

 

1 hour ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

 

Exactly this.  No doubt Ralph gets things wrong but he's also working with some poor players for this level.

True and I’ve offered this in defence of Ralph but some selections (Long for one at 35) and formations are less easy to justify 

47 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

We need a fresh start.

How can you stick with someone who is planning retirement.

 

This may be the extra incentive the board need, if they need something other than results to go on. 
 

If Semmens and Ankersen are committed to Ralph, wonder if they’ll consider bringing in a Designate to work with him as the Board did for Ted and Lawrie many years ago. 

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danjosaint

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Sooner he goes the better,  we've generally always been a bit streaky but I've never known them to be so mentally fragile , they are playing to his shit playbook model that clearly doesn't work or at least with the crap squad we have, everybody knows you play to your strengths and correct positional tactics, he is a one trick pony with no idea how to save a game/see out a game, im so pissed off I feel its time for both our sakes for him to go, he won't as he won't believe it's his fault and Semmens is to gutless to sack him

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The Kraken

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2 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

Would you trust Ralph to have a mass clear out and build a fresh team, judged on the decisions he makes on his starting XI's? 

If you were a player and you knew Ralph was off in a year, would you commit to signing for that team if you don’t know what the long term strategy is?

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17 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

I'm a long term Ralph supporter but starting with 35yo Shane Long in attack is reason enough on it's own to be sacked.

I like Ralph and think he's got a lot of plus points but after yet more thrown away points today I do feel like we need a change. The whole club is feeling a bit stale right now, there's no buzz or excitement, just a ton of apathy. A new manager with some fresh ideas along with a bit of an overhaul of the playing squad could be what we need. It's a gamble though as Ralph pretty much guarantees survival each year.

We seem to have gone downhill ever since he insinuated that he won’t stay on after his contract runs out.

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Dman

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2 minutes ago, Badger said:

Many of us said this about Chris Nicholl and thought a change of manager would see a change in fortunes.

It did of course, but in the wrong direction.

Not to say that we shouldn’t make a change for fear, but have to wonder who would be the decision maker and are we confident they’d get it right ? 

 

 

I’d expect it to be Crocker playijg a very big part in this and if I’m honest; I’d trust his judgement. 
 

I’d love us to go for Cooper if forest don’t go up. Worked with him at the FA so will be aware of his qualities. 

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nta786

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I’m not Ralph out either, I acknowledge that we have a lot of dross in our squad, but if I was Crocker/Semmens I would be keeping a closer eye on the free agent manager list.

The likes of Benitez, Nuno Santo, Rudi Garcia, Favre are currently available right now, perhaps someone with fresh ideas can rejuvenate this side.

Things are getting stale, to me the front line in that second half really weren’t pressing at all.

In Ralph’s words, “when the automatisms are not working it looks like this”

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16 minutes ago, Dman said:

I’d expect it to be Crocker playijg a very big part in this and if I’m honest; I’d trust his judgement. 
 

I’d love us to go for Cooper if forest don’t go up. Worked with him at the FA so will be aware of his qualities. 

Appointing Cooper has Sturrock MK 2 written all over it.

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41 minutes ago, Dman said:

We need a clear out all across the playing staff imo. The players need to shoulder a lot of the responsibility as well and half of them just mentally are far to weak to be premier league players. 

Time and time again, when the going gets tough, they give up. 

Im not a huge fan of Ralph in terms of his management ability, I think he’s massively overrated and seemingly many make any excuse for him. 

That being said, he seems a decent, honest, bloke and when he does go, I’d wish him all the best in the future. 

Big job for the new ownership to turn this ship around imo. 

Yup, well said.

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ErwinK1961

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18 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Appointing Cooper has Sturrock MK 2 written all over it.

Harsh, done a very good job at Swansea and Forest (so far). I’d say he’s got a lot more about him than Sturrock ever did. 

We seem to want a young team next year and this guy is experienced at managing young players.

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Pilchards

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I’ve seen on Twitter that Ralph has said  "Maybe we are not good enough."

If he has said that then I’m afraid the buck stops with you. Hardly gonna walk and lose a lovely pay off so it’s down to the board to do the right thing.

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The Kraken

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5 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

I’ve seen on Twitter that Ralph has said ‘Maybe we are just not good enough.’

If he has said that then I’m afraid the buck stops with you. Hardly gonna walk and lose a lovely pay off so it’s down ti the board to do the right thing.

I doubt we can afford to pay him off.

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saint michael

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The players either aren’t doing what he is coaching them in, or asking them to do, or he is asking them to do something they can’t because they haven’t the ability.  This makes the continuance of these tactics even more bizarre.  Does he just keep on in the hope it will all suddenly click and deliver the performances he clearly expects. 
 

I think he lives in cloud cuckoo and it’s time for him to go home. We’ve been shit for ages and he sees each week as a blip and doesn’t see the cumulative performances. 
 

 

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Kenilworthy

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I really can't see us taking another point this season. And we face the prospect of Liverpool hitting double figures. Does the club realise we can still go down?Since Villa away we have been terrible and that comes down to Ralph. Sometimes I wonder if he wants the sack? If he retires in a couple of years he walks away with no payoff. If he is fired now he gets a pile of cash. having said that I would sack him now and appoint a caretaker for the last three games - although obviously not Kelvin Davies.

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Francis1947

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Good God, that was dross this afternoon.  Lots of people here now calling for Ralph to go.

I still cannot make my mind up.....mostly becuase if we do let him go in the summer, who do we get in to replace.

My main gripe with him is the selection process, game after game. To play Long this afternoon against a side who were lower in the league than us, at home.....is uttely inexplicable. Please explain Ralph what the thinking and logic here was ! What the heck did we sign Armstrong for if he isn't selected againts Crystal Palace. And why is Broja now excluded ? We have all seen the drop off in form over the last couple of weeks but to my mind, he presents much more of a threat of actually scoring a goal than Long.

The team now look jaded and tired.

And may I make a further point. I have been a Saints and a football fan for over 60 years. I have also been a great supporter of rugby, both league and union for the same length of time. On Friday night I made the journey to Frankln Gardens Northampton to see my other Saints team play Harlequins. It was in front of a full house of 15,000 and it was a pulsating match that Northampton Saints won by 1 point. The commitment,courage skill and determination shown on that pitch last night by both teams would shame many of the players who trotted out in a Saints shirt this afternoon. Now I know that Northampton Saints and Harlequins have a chance of making the play offs and had a reason to lift their game. 

Harlequins were much the better side and were winning with 5 minutes to play. But you could see the Saints players didn't or couldnt accept that. Through sheer strenght of will, they made play afer play, marching further up the pitch, were awarded a penalty and Grayson slotted it over and they won by 1 point. It was magnificent to watch

I have never seen a Saints football team have that same strenght of will and resolve to do that ! 

I will continue to support both of my "Saints teams " .   

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Lighthouse

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24 minutes ago, Saints foreva said:

Good to see people are finally seeing through his bullshit. His legacy here is two embarrassing defeats. 

So not keeping us in the league for four seasons, despite being consistently in the bottom three of the net spend table?

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2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

So not keeping us in the league for four seasons, despite being consistently in the bottom three of the net spend table?

Banging your head on the wall nipper

The lines are drawn, you are in or out, logical arguments are not wanted or listened to here

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Østerrike

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why always so much black white thinking going on here..

Saints were up 1:0 and showed up in 9th (!!) spot in the PL live table.. ..after the  (in my opinion ) unlucky defeat now moving down to 15th... oh well.. don t actually understand why people always get that emotional after a loss

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Saint Shady

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Well…. Where to start really. Ralph has shown himself to be a dedicated and likeable guy and has provided some great moments and good runs of form during his time here.

There has also been large amounts of rock bottom garbage performances in there as well.

I’ve generally been pro Ralph as he’s done better than anyone since Koeman and seems genuinely committed to us which is admirable nowadays. 

I’m my opinion Ralph has got more out of this squad than anyone before him and I think he has done well overall. 

It does seem though that sometimes he just can’t win with his decisions and lineups. 

If we do well with the lineups everyone wants it’s all good. If he does well with the lineups nobody wants it’s also all good. 

Yet when we play shit regardless off the lineup (and they have been varied in our wins and losses) he gets blamed anyway. 

We have played our so called best team that everyone is asking for and been shit as well as good.

I find myself at the point where I still support Ralph but also would understand if a change does end up being made. 

The players are still a big problem that I don’t think another manager will just rock up and improve. 

I still think 3-4 players would improve us more than a new manager. 
 

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12 minutes ago, Saint Shady said:

I still think 3-4 players would improve us more than a new manager. 

I think the two need to go hand in hand. A new manager and a deep cull of the non-performers. Today was as big an embarrassment as any Saints performance I've seen in 60 years.

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15 minutes ago, gordonToo said:

I think the two need to go hand in hand. A new manager and a deep cull of the non-performers. Today was as big an embarrassment as any Saints performance I've seen in 60 years.

We’ve been culling non performers since he arrived. That was the reason why we were so skint that we had the likes 7 or 8 players on big money not doing much. Now we need to cull another load of under performers. Seems to be one common denominator 

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The Kraken

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47 minutes ago, Saints foreva said:

Fair enough if you're happy with a few 9-0s and being outplayed by Burnley and Palace. 

Fair enough if you’re disappointed with wins against Spurs and Arsenal and going unbeaten against Man City, when we’re absolutely skint. Swings and roundabouts innit.

Ralph has got his failings, of course he has, but he’s done a decent job with us considering.

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Saint Shady

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Most of the replacements we’ve had recently aren’t the problem it’s the ones that have been around a while that need upgrading. Ralph is not perfect but we’ve had players in the squad that aren’t up to it for years now. New signings won’t always work but if we can keep getting more right than wrong we will get there. 

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It’s not even the results I care about. I can handle a loss. I just so bored of our turgid, slow, lacklustre football.

Even when we win, or just get a point like last week, it’s because we’ve relied on an individual piece of quality (usually a set-piece) digging us out of trouble because we’ve failed to play coherently as a team.

I know we’re not exactly blessed with quality, but when’s the last time we actually unlocked a defence, rather than some speculative long-range shot happening to go in? I can barely remember.

Saying that I won’t accept us sacking Ralph for simply anyone. We need a clear vision from someone who can actually get us playing entertaining football again. I can take a loss, I can take a bottom half finish, I just can’t take how lacklustre we are at actually playing decent attacking football.

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macca155

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I doubt Ralph will be sacked now. They'll want to sort out the back room staff first. Plus it will happen when they have a suitable person aka 'Frank' available 

At the moment Ralph is toast for many because we are losing games. The players are knackered, struggling, and there doesn't appear to be a regular line up. Its perm 11 from 20. The strategy seems so one dimensional as well.

On the other hand Ralph has overseen some great runs so he can do it. 

Given some investment can Ralph find more consistency. 

Add a GK, decent CH and a back up to Romeu to that squad and it would be interesting to see how Saints performed.

With exception of Puel I've always been pretty patient with managers, but this is testing me.

 

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The major issue for me (apart from the two 9-0 losses) is these runs of matches where we play really poorly and pick up hardly any points. During these runs we even struggle against teams in or near the bottom of the league. It happens far too frequently and indicates that Ralph's coaching, tactics and man management is full of flaws. Maybe it's time to give some one else a chance.

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Saints foreva

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49 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Fair enough if you’re disappointed with wins against Spurs and Arsenal and going unbeaten against Man City, when we’re absolutely skint. Swings and roundabouts innit.

Ralph has got his failings, of course he has, but he’s done a decent job with us considering.

We have two 9-0 defeats under this cunt. It isn't a normal scoreline, yet here we are deservedly losing by 9 and we are lucky it isn't by more. 

Overrated manager who wouldn't be here if he was half a wank. 

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7 minutes ago, Saints foreva said:

We have two 9-0 defeats under this cunt. It isn't a normal scoreline, yet here we are deservedly losing by 9 and we are lucky it isn't by more. 

Overrated manager who wouldn't be here if he was half a wank. 

Tell us how you really feel 😂

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nta786

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1 minute ago, Saints foreva said:

How did you feel with two embarrassing 9-0 defeats? 

You do realise there are also 11 players on the pitch (well 10 in both cases).

Not saying he isn't at fault but those results aren't 100% solely attributed to him, nor is it when we win.

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