Ralph Hasenhuttl

[nta786]

1 hour ago, harvey said:

That's bollocks!.....so we can be motivated enough to beat top four teams but hot teams lower than us?.....that sums Ralph up in a nutshell.

Sometimes it might seep into the players mindset too though.

The matches against the big teams are often televised, the opposition scouts/manager/coaches amongst others are watching… If you put in a shift in those games who knows that could secure your big move.

Naturally, you’ll be more motivated to raise your games against the champions than against Burnley. 

I can’t remember if this is true or not but Mane’s second half in the 3-2 win against Liverpool at home where we came back from 2 down was a big factor in his move, he really impressed Klopp that day.

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, nta786 said:

Sometimes it might seep into the players mindset too though.

The matches against the big teams are often televised, the opposition scouts/manager/coaches amongst others are watching… If you put in a shift in those games who knows that could secure your big move.

Naturally, you’ll be more motivated to raise your games against the champions than against Burnley. 

I can’t remember if this is true or not but Mane’s second half in the 3-2 win against Liverpool at home where we came back from 2 down was a big factor in his move, he really impressed Klopp that day.

All games are televised! 

[nta786]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

All games are televised! 

True! (I meant in the UK!)

[Turkish]

Interesting 🤔 

[Dman]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Interesting 🤔 

Jesus. Perhaps explains why he’s still here. 
 

massively over paid. Lage, moyes & Howe massively underpaid. 

[Matthew Le God]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Interesting 🤔 

Not really, the majority are guesses. That information is not publicly available. 

[nta786]

27 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Interesting 🤔 

That doesn’t seem right.

Would Vieira really be on just £4.5m a year?

That equals c. £86.5k a week.

I’m sure Zaha was reported to be on £130k a week and Benteke on £110k or something.

Surely it undermines the authority of a manager if they are on less than one of their players. 

Having said that, I’ve seen the £9m figure reported for Erik Ten Hag on a fair few articles, but that puts him at just £175k a week… I’m sure Rashford is on 200k a week alone and Ronaldo will be far more! It might just explain their problems though.

Edited 22 April, 2022 by nta786

[Turkish]

37 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Not really, the majority are guesses. That information is not publicly available. 

Which ones are not accurate?

[CB Fry]

8 hours ago, nta786 said:

That doesn’t seem right.

Would Vieira really be on just £4.5m a year?

That equals c. £86.5k a week.

I’m sure Zaha was reported to be on £130k a week and Benteke on £110k or something.

Surely it undermines the authority of a manager if they are on less than one of their players. 

Having said that, I’ve seen the £9m figure reported for Erik Ten Hag on a fair few articles, but that puts him at just £175k a week… I’m sure Rashford is on 200k a week alone and Ronaldo will be far more! It might just explain their problems though.

Regardless of whether the numbers are accurate, I would say it is incredibly common that managers are on less than the players.

In many cases significantly less.

[Saint_clark]

10 hours ago, Turkish said:

Interesting 🤔 

If that's true (which I'm inclined to doubt) then it makes a mockery of the fact we started our own decline by refusing to pay Koeman the £7million a year he reportedly wanted to stay. 

[Turkish]

10 hours ago, Dman said:

Jesus. Perhaps explains why he’s still here. 
 

massively over paid. Lage, moyes & Howe massively underpaid. 

I would assume Howes deal includes a huge bonus for keeping them up so maybe that’s not in these numbers. I know Ralph is very well paid but seems very off he’s not far of champions league winning Tuchel and Ten Hag managing one of the worlds biggest clubs.

Edited 23 April, 2022 by Turkish

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

If that's true (which I'm inclined to doubt) then it makes a mockery of the fact we started our own decline by refusing to pay Koeman the £7million a year he reportedly wanted to stay. 

The figures might not be bang on but they must have come from somewhere. Nobody would just guess saints manager is almost as well paid as managers of Chelsea and Man United. You’d probably say saints are well down the list if you were just guessing

[The Kraken]

According to a couple of sources I read, that £6M includes bonuses such  as a title win. So never going to get paid.

I thought I’d heard before that Ralph’s original deal was around £3m per year. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

12 hours ago, nta786 said:

 

Naturally, you’ll be more motivated to raise your games against the champions than against Burnley. 

 

I’ve never judged a player or sides by how they perform against the top sides. Roy Keane used to say that poor sides with poor attitude put it in against the big boys, because  if they don’t they’ll  get embarrassed. They have to, anything less than 100% effort against City or Liverpool and you’re facing a dicking. It’s the blaggers that do it then, but don’t against lower teams that fuck me off. Same as players suddenly putting it in for a new manager. 

Edited 23 April, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter

[Singapore Saint]

22 hours ago, Christophenburg said:

The biggest issue seems to be confidence, we cave so easily and heads drop the second things get tough. That's surely on Ralphs softly softly no consequences style of management.

I think it's probably time for a change, but who? Nuno's stock is pretty low in England right now. Favre's style matches the playbook but he's been out of work for two years and would be hard to lure to us. AVB was always perpetually linked to us but seems he's keen to retire (again). Rudi Garcia? Javi? Leonardo Jardim? Farke yo-yoed with Norwich. Mark van Bommel seems like a Saints-like appointment but had a rought stint at Wolfsburg. 

Slaven Bilic? Big and Little Sam? Sean Dyce? Wayne Rooney? Erwin Koeman?

[Kenilworthy]

27 minutes ago, Singapore Saint said:

Slaven Bilic? Big and Little Sam? Sean Dyce? Wayne Rooney? Erwin Koeman?

Would quite like Bilic, but probably an unlikely pairing with Serbian owners. The others, absolutely not.

[Matthew Le God]

44 minutes ago, Singapore Saint said:

Slaven Bilic? Big and Little Sam? Sean Dyce? Wayne Rooney? Erwin Koeman?

What a bizarre shortlist!

[AlexLaw76]

I hope he walks away in the summer

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I hope he walks away in the summer

Why would he do that? Would you give up millions of pounds?

[Dman]

16 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Why would he do that? Would you give up millions of pounds?

He walked away from RB, to be fair. 

[Matthew Le God]

54 minutes ago, Dman said:

He walked away from RB, to be fair. 

Not from an existing contract.

[Dman]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Not from an existing contract.

Try again, Yes he did. 

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Not from an existing contract.

Yes it was. The club agreed his request to terminate his contract a year early.

[Give it to Ron]

8 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Not from an existing contract.

Evidence?

[Dman]

1 minute ago, Give it to Ron said:

Evidence?

He won’t find any because he’s wrong. He’ll probably move the goal posts though. 
 

Ralph walked a year before the end of his contract due to ‘uncertainty’ about them offering him a new long term deal. 

[Mr X]

23 minutes ago, Dman said:

He won’t find any because he’s wrong. He’ll probably move the goal posts though. 
 

Ralph walked a year before the end of his contract due to ‘uncertainty’ about them offering him a new long term deal. 

At least he won't have that uncertainty with us we are definitely stupid enough to give him another long term contract! 

[The Kraken]

It does bring up a conundrum, if Ralph is true to his word that he wants to leave at the end of his contract at the end of next season. We had it before with WGS aiming to work out his contract, and that ended badly just a few months into his final year.

Ralph himself said, when at RB Leipzig, "The club are well within their rights not to offer me an extension, but we also stressed that going into the final year of a contract without a clear long-term future plan wasn't ideal".

I wonder if there’s any chance that Ralph might move upstairs within the club. I very much doubt it will happen, but if it did it would allow a season to search for and groom his successor.

Personally I think he’s too young to do what he’s said he’ll do, walk away from coaching.

[Sarisbury Saint]

It can’t be beneficial for the club or players knowing he’s going to be off.

On that basis alone we should be looking for someone new this summer.

[Saint_clark]

34 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

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Personally I think he’s too young to do what he’s said he’ll do, walk away from coaching.

If you could afford to retire at 55, travel, enjoy life, spend time with family doing whatever you wanted to do and never worry about finances...wouldn't you?

[The Kraken]

Just now, Saint_clark said:

If you could afford to retire at 55, travel, enjoy life, spend time with family doing whatever you wanted to do and never worry about finances...wouldn't you?

Of course, yes. If that’s his ambition then he should absolutely do it.

I just don’t see that with Ralph. He clearly lives and breathes the game. He may get out of being a manager but I find it difficult to see that he’d choose retirement. I may be wrong about that of course, just my perception.

[Sarisbury Saint]

If JWP was sold this summer for £60m, I’d be interested in how well Ralph would re-invest.

[Alan Sugarfree]

3 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

If JWP was sold this summer for £60m, I’d be interested in how well Ralph would re-invest.

I’d be fearful he’d just buy more right backs to play in the team 

[Saint_clark]

7 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Of course, yes. If that’s his ambition then he should absolutely do it.

I just don’t see that with Ralph. He clearly lives and breathes the game. He may get out of being a manager but I find it difficult to see that he’d choose retirement. I may be wrong about that of course, just my perception.

You may be right of course. I'd have no problem with him stepping into a director of football style role and hiring a manager who can properly get the players motivated and committed for the entire game, Adkins style.

[Manuel]

8 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

If JWP was sold this summer for £60m, I’d be interested in how well Ralph would re-invest.

Was Ralph responsible for Kevin Danso?  Genuine question.

[The Left Back]

16 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

If you could afford to retire at 55, travel, enjoy life, spend time with family doing whatever you wanted to do and never worry about finances...wouldn't you?

Pretty much every single Premier League player and manager could afford to retire right now and 'travel, enjoy life, spend time with family doing whatever they wanted to do and never worry about finances'.  Why do you think they don't

[Saint_clark]

12 minutes ago, The Left Back said:

Pretty much every single Premier League player and manager could afford to retire right now and 'travel, enjoy life, spend time with family doing whatever they wanted to do and never worry about finances'.  Why do you think they don't

Not every single player and manager has said they want to. Ralph has.

[notnowcato]

19 minutes ago, Manuel said:

Was Ralph responsible for Kevin Danso?  Genuine question.

Funnily enough I saw some of Danso for RC Lens v PSG the other night. He looked a completely different player to the one we had. Maybe he was… I didn’t see all of the game but what I see see he looked very comfortable and in control for them. Not the rabbit in the headlights we had. 

[Sfcphilc]

5 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Funnily enough I saw some of Danso for RC Lens v PSG the other night. He looked a completely different player to the one we had. Maybe he was… I didn’t see all of the game but what I see see he looked very comfortable and in control for them. Not the rabbit in the headlights we had. 

He did well until he got sent off early in the second half 😂

[Whitey Grandad]

49 minutes ago, Alan Sugarfree said:

I’d be fearful he’d just buy more right backs to play in the team 

He’d play them on the left.

[Sarisbury Saint]

47 minutes ago, Manuel said:

Was Ralph responsible for Kevin Danso?  Genuine question.

? ??? You’ve lost me.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

You may be right of course. I'd have no problem with him stepping into a director of football style role and hiring a manager who can properly get the players motivated and committed for the entire game, Adkins style.

Not sure I'd necessarily want Ralph in that role. One concern is that it compromises the effectiveness of the new manager.

Ralph has had a lot of leeway and space to develop both him and the team in the role. The new manager may need the same, but find themselves with friction against the Ralph Ball playbook.

We'd be commiting to that style, perhaps, and that's a big decision. One I'd need to think more about.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Think it has been mentioned on here previously about the vacancy with the Austrian national team. Maybe Ralpg fancies that gig.

[Saint_clark]

6 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Not sure I'd necessarily want Ralph in that role. One concern is that it compromises the effectiveness of the new manager.

Ralph has had a lot of leeway and space to develop both him and the team in the role. The new manager may need the same, but find themselves with friction against the Ralph Ball playbook.

We'd be commiting to that style, perhaps, and that's a big decision. One I'd need to think more about.

The plan has been to implement a strategy beyond Ralph leaving that builds on what he starts. It's what the RB clubs all do and it's why they have such sustained long term success.

[Mosin]

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

The plan has been to implement a strategy beyond Ralph leaving that builds on what he starts. It's what the RB clubs all do and it's why they have such sustained long term success.

this is what i thought too

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

The plan has been to implement a strategy beyond Ralph leaving that builds on what he starts. It's what the RB clubs all do and it's why they have such sustained long term success.

While that is true, Ralph has since lamented some of the involvement of the RB brand on what he did at Leipzig. He said that he felt constrained by their direction and part of him leaving was to further develop himself as a coach.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

The plan has been to implement a strategy beyond Ralph leaving that builds on what he starts. It's what the RB clubs all do and it's why they have such sustained long term success.

Yeah, I see there are plenty of positives. I recall a la Liga club years ago saying that even the manager's departure was perfectly replaceable, as he fitted into an already well defined structure. That was Sevilla, back when Juandi Ramos was leaving for Spurs. It made a lot of sense not to constantly make sweeping changes.

I'd probably prefer to see wherever are after the summer window, to see us progress more with Ralph's ideas. Recent results probably playing a part here.

 

[Toussaint]

12 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

The plan has been to implement a strategy beyond Ralph leaving that builds on what he starts. It's what the RB clubs all do and it's why they have such sustained long term success.

What exactly has he built? 

[Christophenburg]

12 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Not sure I'd necessarily want Ralph in that role. One concern is that it compromises the effectiveness of the new manager.

Ralph has had a lot of leeway and space to develop both him and the team in the role. The new manager may need the same, but find themselves with friction against the Ralph Ball playbook.

We'd be commiting to that style, perhaps, and that's a big decision. One I'd need to think more about.

Too much attention is played to the playbook being Ralph's, I really don't think it is, it's just that Ralph as a manager fits the model - i.e. high pressing, youth development etc. There's no reason Ralph couldn't become our Rangnick (the Red Bull Rangnick not the United Rangnick...).

There are plenty of clubs and plenty of managers that offer essentially the same thing Ralph does to lesser or greater success, and there are certainly some managers who absolutely don't and wouldn't fit at all at Saints despite what some fans keep thinking. Personally I think Niko Kovac would be a good fit but I think that's pretty unlikely. I'd have assumed that someone like Nagelsmann, Marco Rose or Lucien Favre would be dream choices for the board if money were no object.

[danjosaint]

1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

What exactly has he built? 

A fragile team that ships 60 goals + a season 

[Toussaint]

1 minute ago, danjosaint said:

A fragile team that ships 60 goals + a season 

I feel he is the epitome  "the emperor's new clothes", I often wonder if it's me being a modern football philistine, because at times I watch us and i really haven't a clue what is going on and who is supposed to be doing what, I don't even know what a 4 2 2 2 is in reality. I'm not sure the players do either. It all seems massively overcomplicated amd most times not very enjoyable to watch.