Ralph Hasenhuttl

[TWar]

30 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

How much is Theo Walcott worth now ?

Similar to what he was worth then, £1-2m to a championship side. We signed him on a free, he is probably not worth the wages but those aren't high enough to make it a major loss as a punt. Probably offset by the fact Tino is worth about 6 times what we bought him for, with that profit we could afford to employ many Theos. Then consider the boost in value to KWP, Stu, Adams, JWP (probably the biggest, a boost of like £30-40m probably), and many, many others.

Edited 27 December, 2021 by TWar

[TWar]

29 minutes ago, Born In The 80s said:

My personal view is that the squad's quality was always going to put us in a relegation battle. We have defenders and midfielders who seem to make key individual errors at critical moments and forwards who don't score goals. The fact you could take any player out of this XI and we don't lose much quality shows that we have no real match-winning quality anywhere on the field. We have championship players all over the XI and halfway through the season are 9 points above the drop zone - not fucking bad if you ask me.

Sometimes you only realise how good a manager is when they go; if Ralph leaves, I think we might find out quite quickly just how much he impacted this group of players. 

I think we have a number of good players and only one or two championship level players, but I think that's mainly a testament to how much Ralph has improved them. JWP has gone from bottom 6 quality to top 6.

[Born In The 80s]

42 minutes ago, TWar said:

I think we have a number of good players and only one or two championship level players, but I think that's mainly a testament to how much Ralph has improved them. JWP has gone from bottom 6 quality to top 6.

Football is an opinions game. JWP is not a top 6 player in my opinion - not even close. Take his set piece delivery away and I think he is a fairly average player. I think it showed that we didn't miss him at all when he was suspended (perhaps we even looked a little better). 

[Teddeer]

1 hour ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

How much is Theo Walcott worth now ?

The square root of diddly squat.

[BERMUDASAINT]

Well done Saints, great win! Well done Ralf!! Well done jWP, Moi and JB, all giving their all to the shirt. Keep the good times going!!

 

 

 

 

[Minsk]

2 hours ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

How much is Theo Walcott worth now ?

More than we paid for him (in transfer fee).

[Sarisbury Saint]

6 minutes ago, Minsk said:

More than we paid for him (in transfer fee).

I was thinking of how much he’s cost us in wages.  

[Minsk]

1 minute ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

I was thinking of how much he’s cost us in wages.  

Not what you asked, which was to someone talking about values attributed on transfer market.

[Red]

Have to say I'm still in the Ralph out camp, but credit where it's due - he did well Sunday with the team selection and tactics. Not a team I would have picked but then what do I know?

Changing to 4:1:4:1 and Forster was the difference. If only he was more flexible more often. Also, would defo vary JWP corner taking.

[tajjuk]

1 hour ago, Born In The 80s said:

Football is an opinions game. JWP is not a top 6 player in my opinion - not even close. Take his set piece delivery away and I think he is a fairly average player. I think it showed that we didn't miss him at all when he was suspended (perhaps we even looked a little better). 

That is a fundamentally dumb comment, take Mbappes pace away and he's not an elite level player, take Van Dijks passing range he's a good centre-back not an elite one, etc. etc.

Ward-Prowse is the best set piece taker in the PL in a generation and probably now top 5 in world at the moment, that is world class. He is then also extremely fit, a good passer, a good penalty taker, rarely gets injured, has excellent work rate and is amongst the top in the league IIRC for tackles,  interceptions and distance covered.

As a package how is he anything close to 'average'? Name me a player that you could go out and buy who has the complete attributes he has? A world class dead ball taker, who covers ground like no one, barely gets injured, can tackle, intercept, pass, links the play etc.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

That is a fundamentally dumb comment, take Mbappes pace away and he's not an elite level player, take Van Dijks passing range he's a good centre-back not an elite one, etc. etc.

Ward-Prowse is the best set piece taker in the PL in a generation and probably now top 5 in world at the moment, that is world class. He is then also extremely fit, a good passer, a good penalty taker, rarely gets injured, has excellent work rate and is amongst the top in the league IIRC for tackles,  interceptions and distance covered.

As a package how is he anything close to 'average'? Name me a player that you could go out and buy who has the complete attributes he has? A world class dead ball taker, who covers ground like no one, barely gets injured, can tackle, intercept, pass, links the play etc.

I think you'd have to call his leadership qualities into question given some of the performances we have put in under his captaincy. 

[Teddeer]

1 minute ago, tajjuk said:

That is a fundamentally dumb comment, take Mbappes pace away and he's not an elite level player, take Van Dijks passing range he's a good centre-back not an elite one, etc. etc.

Ward-Prowse is the best set piece taker in the PL in a generation and probably now top 5 in world at the moment, that is world class. He is then also extremely fit, a good passer, a good penalty taker, rarely gets injured, has excellent work rate and is amongst the top in the league IIRC for tackles,  interceptions and distance covered.

As a package how is he anything close to 'average'? Name me a player that you could go out and buy who has the complete attributes he has? A world class dead ball taker, who covers ground like no one, barely gets injured, can tackle, intercept, pass, links the play etc.

He needs to get back to whipping corners in with pace and making sure they miss the first man. Not sure what has gone wrong with his corners but they are  certainly less dangerous than they used to be. If only his corner kicks were as lethal as Salisu's now legendary long throw-ins 🙂

[The Left Back]

2 hours ago, Born In The 80s said:

Football is an opinions game. JWP is not a top 6 player in my opinion - not even close. Take his set piece delivery away and I think he is a fairly average player. I think it showed that we didn't miss him at all when he was suspended (perhaps we even looked a little better). 

I get your point but I would pick him over Fred, McTominay or Matic. Or Henderson or The Ox.  Or Hojberg, Winks or Skipp.  So. he's not far away.  And, given this is the Ralph thread, he's certainly developed under this manger more than he did under the previous 5.

29 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

That is a fundamentally dumb comment, take Mbappes pace away and he's not an elite level player, take Van Dijks passing range he's a good centre-back not an elite one, etc. etc.

Ward-Prowse is the best set piece taker in the PL in a generation and probably now top 5 in world at the moment, that is world class. He is then also extremely fit, a good passer, a good penalty taker, rarely gets injured, has excellent work rate and is amongst the top in the league IIRC for tackles,  interceptions and distance covered.

As a package how is he anything close to 'average'? Name me a player that you could go out and buy who has the complete attributes he has? A world class dead ball taker, who covers ground like no one, barely gets injured, can tackle, intercept, pass, links the play etc.

I agree with this

[AlexLaw76]

Watching Fred right now, JwP would stroll into the United Midfield 

[MarkSFC]

18 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Watching Fred right now, JwP would stroll into the United Midfield 

And?

[cloggy saint]

2 hours ago, Red said:

Changing to 4:1:4:1 and Forster was the difference.

Forster was the difference? He made one routine save.

[Charlie Wayman]

48 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Watching Fred right now, JwP would stroll in the United Midfield 

He rarely does anything more than stroll about in our midfield. Not sure United need more passengers.

[Charlie Wayman]

3 hours ago, tajjuk said:

That is a fundamentally dumb comment, take Mbappes pace away and he's not an elite level player, take Van Dijks passing range he's a good centre-back not an elite one, etc. etc.

Ward-Prowse is the best set piece taker in the PL in a generation and probably now top 5 in world at the moment, that is world class. He is then also extremely fit, a good passer, a good penalty taker, rarely gets injured, has excellent work rate and is amongst the top in the league IIRC for tackles,  interceptions and distance covered.

As a package how is he anything close to 'average'? Name me a player that you could go out and buy who has the complete attributes he has? A world class dead ball taker, who covers ground like no one, barely gets injured, can tackle, intercept, pass, links the play etc.

By all means enjoy a wee tipple over Christmas but it seems you've had your head in a barrel.  

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Watching Fred right now, JwP would stroll into the United Midfield 

I think that is more of a reflection of how crap Fred is than how good Ward Prowse is 

[TWar]

Top 6 right now, he doesn't get anywhere near City or Chelsea (obviously, they are stacked due to all the money).

Beyond them though, he strolls into United over any of Matic, Fred or McTominay. Would be their best midfielder (not including attacking mids like Bruno/Pogba).

Arsenal he starts over Xhaka and Lokonga, not Partey though but would definitely start next to him.

Liverpool I think he could start over Henderson, bit of a toss up. In that midfield 3 with Fabinho and Thiago I think he would make a fine third addition, albeit with some rotation.

Spurs, he is obviously better than Hojbjerg, we all saw that first hand when they played together, was comfortably our best mid. I rate him over Skipp comfortably too and Winks is crap. Therefore would be Spurs best mid too (again, not including attacking mids). 

If he would start for 3 of the big 6 atleast and would be the best midfielder for two of them I'd say he is pretty comfortably top 6 quality.

And before Ralph he was no where near this quality so a massive ringing endorsement imo.

Edited 27 December, 2021 by TWar

[stevy777_x]

1 hour ago, cloggy saint said:

Forster was the difference? He made one routine save.

It is because he barks out orders which organizes our defense and limits the opposition shots, at least thst s what the Forster fan club says.

[Saint86]

50 minutes ago, TWar said:

Top 6 right now, he doesn't get anywhere near City or Chelsea (obviously, they are stacked due to all the money).

Beyond them though, he strolls into United over any of Matic, Fred or McTominay. Would be their best midfielder (not including attacking mids like Bruno/Pogba).

Arsenal he starts over Xhaka and Lokonga, not Partey though but would definitely start next to him.

Liverpool I think he could start over Henderson, bit of a toss up. In that midfield 3 with Fabinho and Thiago I think he would make a fine third addition, albeit with some rotation.

Spurs, he is obviously better than Hojbjerg, we all saw that first hand when they played together, was comfortably our best mid. I rate him over Skipp comfortably too and Winks is crap. Therefore would be Spurs best mid too (again, not including attacking mids). 

If he would start for 3 of the big 6 atleast and would be the best midfielder for two of them I'd say he is pretty comfortably top 6 quality.

And before Ralph he was no where near this quality so a massive ringing endorsement imo.

I'd agree with most of this.

[Dark Munster]

9 hours ago, Born In The 80s said:

Sometimes you only realise how good a manager is when they go; if Ralph leaves, I think we might find out quite quickly just how much he impacted this group of players. 

Saints are good at proving that.

Nicholl -> Br*nf**t, Luggy -> Wigley, Pearson -> 2 Dutch Jokers, Puel -> The Clown.

[John B]

On 27/12/2021 at 10:00, Give it to Ron said:

Or better tactics and substitutions?

Surely you can see from today's first half it is the errors of Salisu and A Armstrong that are causing the bad results not the tactics

 

We could be 2 0 up with a complete team on the field and will no doubt lose

 

Come on master tactician what is Ralf going to do to win this one

[danjosaint]

22 minutes ago, John B said:

Surely you can see from today's first half it is the errors of Salisu and A Armstrong that are causing the bad results not the tactics

 

 

Yep   a year's worth of awful performances and results are all the players fault,  Ralph's players at that , 3yrs to sort his own team out and he still hasn't a clue what formation or what his best team is 

[Lighthouse]

7 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

Yep   a year's worth of awful performances and results are all the players fault,  Ralph's players at that , 3yrs to sort his own team out and he still hasn't a clue what formation or what his best team is 

And yet here he is winning away to West Ham, despite their free Olympic stadium and massively higher financial clout. Moyes must be properly useless.

[John B]

3 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

Yep   a year's worth of awful performances and results are all the players fault,  Ralph's players at that , 3yrs to sort his own team out and he still hasn't a clue what formation or what his best team is 

This post is far from persuasive it is just an emotional outburst with little clarity of thought

 

[Suhari]

Set us up well today. A little more quality in our front players and we score more than 1.

And defensively very solid with 10 men for 55 minutes. Playing against Spurs + ref.

He's shit though, right?

[AlexLaw76]

Set up well again today.  Nice to see us moving away from the 4222 formation

[RedArmy]

The famous Ralph Hasenhuttl hard fought draw against one of the big sides to get everyone all excited before we get turned over by Newcastle at the weekend. 
 

 

[Lighthouse]

9 minutes ago, Suhari said:

Set us up well today. A little more quality in our front players and we score more than 1.

And defensively very solid with 10 men for 55 minutes. Playing against Spurs + ref.

He's shit though, right?

I’m really struggling to think of many times when we’ve gone into a game looking hopeless, like we haven’t got a clue or a game plan of any sort. Away to a decent Arsenal team and missing our best players in all four positions was pretty poor but otherwise we’ve been in games. You can’t hold things like stupid sendings off, penalties and whatever the f**k was going on from 90+7 against Brighton against the manager.

 

The time to be concerned is when we have multiple performances like our trip to West Brom last season. Hopeless from the first whistle but I’ve seen nothing like that since.

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

The famous Ralph Hasenhuttl hard fought draw against one of the big sides to get everyone all excited before we get turned over by Newcastle at the weekend. 

13th, ten points above the relegation zone at Christmas with the net cheapest squad in the league. Four points from 5th and 6th in the league in the space of 48 hours and you’re slagging him off for a defeat which hasn’t happened yet. 👍

[trousers]

6 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

The famous Ralph Hasenhuttl hard fought draw against one of the big sides to get everyone all excited before we get turned over by Newcastle at the weekend. 
 

 

[cloggy saint]

7 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

The famous Ralph Hasenhuttl hard fought draw against one of the big sides to get everyone all excited before we get turned over by Newcastle at the weekend. 
 

 

Why post something like this? I can only assume you're trying to be funny but you just come across as a loser.

[Toadhall Saint]

12 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

13th, ten points above the relegation zone at Christmas with the net cheapest squad in the league. Four points from 5th and 6th in the league in the space of 48 hours and you’re slagging him off for a defeat which hasn’t happened yet. 👍

Brilliant isn’t it - most people would struggle to make up shit like that - the mind boggles 

[BARCELONASAINT]

Just got back from the game. No one can say the team are not playing for RH, they absolutely left nothing out there today. Very well set up. Full credit to RH and the team and full credit to the fans that lifted the team through that last 15 minutes of torture.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

16 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

Why post something like this? I can only assume you're trying to be funny but you just come across as a loser.

Tbf just mentioning it just lessens the chance of it happening in the minds of the superstitious, or, those who like touching wood when talking about Saints. But to be fair how many times have we all seen Saints lose games we should have won on paper?

[Sarisbury Saint]

Hats off to him, that second half defensive display was the best I’ve seen for a long time. 
Special mention for Valery, he was superb today.

[stevy777_x]

Those who want rid of Ralph need their head checked.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Set up well again today.  Nice to see us moving away from the 4222 formation

My thoughts exactly. Why he was so wedded to it was beyond me. Tactically he got it spot on when down to 10. Looks like he’s learnt his lessons, good to see. Starting to get tough to beat, and horrible to play against. Long May it continue 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

2 hours ago, Suhari said:

Set us up well today. A little more quality in our front players and we score more than 1.

And defensively very solid with 10 men for 55 minutes. Playing against Spurs + ref.

He's shit though, right?

We'll see. He has certainly been plenty shit in the past. A win and a draw doesn't give me the confidence it appears to give you. Also, hardly playing against the ref today - they arguably had 2 good goals wiped out.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 minute ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

We'll see. He has certainly been plenty shit in the past. A win and a draw doesn't give me the confidence it appears to give you. Also, hardly playing against the ref today - they arguably had 2 good goals wiped out.

It’s not the point we got  today, but the nature of how we got it. Previously we minced about like a load of choirboys when going down to 10. Today, we played like men. A proper team. 

[aintforever]

58 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s not the point we got  today, but the nature of how we got it. Previously we minced about like a load of choirboys when going down to 10. Today, we played like men. A proper team. 

Do you still want Ralph sacked then?

[Lord Duckhunter]

8 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Do you still want Ralph sacked then?

I haven’t once called for him to be sacked this season. I wanted him replaced at the end of last season, but when he wasn’t, I’ve said I’d judge him when this season is over. Perhaps you should read through peoples posts before trying to be clever. 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

We'll see. He has certainly been plenty shit in the past. A win and a draw doesn't give me the confidence it appears to give you. Also, hardly playing against the ref today - they arguably had 2 good goals wiped out.

Very arguably. 

We had fifteen fouls against us and Tottenham only had five. That tells you all you need to know.

[Lord Duckhunter]

5 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Very arguably. 

We had fifteen fouls against us and Tottenham only had five. That tells you all you need to know.

It tells me we committed more fouls

[Whitey Grandad]

5 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It tells me we committed more fouls

No match is ever that unbalanced. That referee made some very strange and biased decisions especially in the first half. Biased in the sense that they all went one way.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

No match is ever that unbalanced. That referee made some very strange and biased decisions especially in the first half. Biased in the sense that they all went one way.

The only duff decision was no card for Reguilon. Everything else was a fair call. The pen was a pen and all cards were cards imo. There's an argument that Salisu first yellow was soft but he was piling in everywhere before that and I suspect that card was for an accumulation as much as that particular foul. His sending off had everything to do with his stupidity, and nothing to do with bias. 

They had at least one good goal ruled out. No bias there. 

They had more free kicks because we committed more fouls. Nothing more sinister than that for me. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

21 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

No match is ever that unbalanced. That referee made some very strange and biased decisions especially in the first half. Biased in the sense that they all went one way.

He really wasn’t. 
 

You’re so one eyed every week it’s ridiculous. The worst decision by a mile was over ruling their goal when Forster went juggling. The ref was poor, but he wasn’t biased in any way shape or from. 

Edited 28 December, 2021 by Lord Duckhunter

[Dman]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

My thoughts exactly. Why he was so wedded to it was beyond me. Tactically he got it spot on when down to 10. Looks like he’s learnt his lessons, good to see. Starting to get tough to beat, and horrible to play against. Long May it continue 

100% agree, once again we move away from the ridiculously, over attacking, formation and look a better side as a result. It’s shame it’s taken so long but we seem to this season be much more tactically fluid. 

Credit where it’s due, Ralph got it spot on today after the sending off and on another day we could have nicked it.  
 

Personally I’m not a huge fan, but continue with the current form from the last 2 and you can’t argue with results. A huge game on Sunday (if on), however, lose that and the 4 points gained is almost irrelevant.