Charlie Wayman Posted 25 November, 2021 Share Posted 25 November, 2021 3 hours ago, CB Fry said: The Athletic going big on our clean sheet objective this season, and how we are going about it. Its not something I'd noticed but turns out someone pretends to be injured at the one hour point each match, so Ralph can do a mini team talk and they can all have a rest. https://theathletic.com/2975932/2021/11/24/southampton-hope-fixing-defence-will-help-them-shatter-glass-ceiling-this-is-how-they-have-done-it?source=user-shared-article Can't read it as not a subscriber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 25 November, 2021 Share Posted 25 November, 2021 3 hours ago, CB Fry said: The Athletic going big on our clean sheet objective this season, and how we are going about it. Its not something I'd noticed but turns out someone pretends to be injured at the one hour point each match, so Ralph can do a mini team talk and they can all have a rest. https://theathletic.com/2975932/2021/11/24/southampton-hope-fixing-defence-will-help-them-shatter-glass-ceiling-this-is-how-they-have-done-it?source=user-shared-article Not that I'm one bit arsed about Ralph or his 'tactics' anymore but if that's even halfway true, someone at the club has a fucking big mouth to leak that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 November, 2021 Share Posted 25 November, 2021 4 hours ago, CB Fry said: The Athletic going big on our clean sheet objective this season, and how we are going about it. Its not something I'd noticed but turns out someone pretends to be injured at the one hour point each match, so Ralph can do a mini team talk and they can all have a rest. https://theathletic.com/2975932/2021/11/24/southampton-hope-fixing-defence-will-help-them-shatter-glass-ceiling-this-is-how-they-have-done-it?source=user-shared-article I thought every club did that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 25 November, 2021 Share Posted 25 November, 2021 Just checked and Ralph is tied on 128 matches in charge, along with a certain Mr I. Branfoot and four more than Adkins. After the Liverpool game he will be our longest serving manager, in terms of matches, since Ted left in 1973. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Posted 25 November, 2021 Share Posted 25 November, 2021 18 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Just checked and Ralph is tied on 128 matches in charge, along with a certain Mr I. Branfoot and four more than Adkins. After the Liverpool game he will be our longest serving manager, in terms of matches, since Ted left in 1973. What about Laurie and Chris Nichol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 25 November, 2021 Share Posted 25 November, 2021 12 minutes ago, John D said: What about Laurie and Chris Nichol? You're right, I misread the list. Ignore me. Still, longest serving manager in three decades is an achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 25 November, 2021 Share Posted 25 November, 2021 18 minutes ago, adriansfc said: Do you think his ideas just go stale after a while? Happens to better managers when they stay a few years. We persist with 4222 and pressing most the time but it seemed to peak for us in 2020. Since then it's been really poor. Three 1-0s have made things look a little rosier but 2021 as a calender year has been absolutely abysmal. What's he going to change to make 2022 better? I don't really want him to leave, I'd just love him to find other ways of playing. Far too much safe possession, not enough good quality chance creation, far too much rewarding rubbish no10s with starts. He's still managed to get rid of other manager's mistakes and build a stronger squad without any help from the owners 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 26 November, 2021 Share Posted 26 November, 2021 Maybe when Rangnik moves upstairs as dof for utd he'll come and take his mate Ralph with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 November, 2021 Share Posted 26 November, 2021 20 hours ago, adriansfc said: 2021 as a calender year has been absolutely abysmal. "Calendar year stats are meaningless..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 26 November, 2021 Share Posted 26 November, 2021 21 minutes ago, trousers said: "Calendar year stats are meaningless..." In fairness they are. The fact we’ve only won a handful of games this year and are still in the league, sort of demonstrates that. But let’s not hide from the fact that we’ve been very poor for a long period of time, picked up again this season, but 5 tough fixtures to come which could make or break the season imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 26 November, 2021 Share Posted 26 November, 2021 11 hours ago, danjosaint said: Maybe when Rangnik moves upstairs as dof for utd he'll come and take his mate Ralph with him Did think about this possibility and I suppose if they can't entice Poch to go there they'll widen their search. But not sure how the working relationship between Ralf and Ralph really ended with our Ralph leaving Leipzig when Ralf was still DoF there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 27 November, 2021 Share Posted 27 November, 2021 Listened to a German interview about Rangnick and apparently he's really hard to work with, extremely stubborn, his formations are set in stone, totally relies on pressing/counter pressing, I did have chuckle when I heard it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 27 November, 2021 Share Posted 27 November, 2021 8 hours ago, danjosaint said: Listened to a German interview about Rangnick and apparently he's really hard to work with, extremely stubborn, his formations are set in stone, totally relies on pressing/counter pressing, I did have chuckle when I heard it Sounds depressingly familiar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 27 November, 2021 Share Posted 27 November, 2021 1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said: Sounds depressingly familiar. Depressing? I freaking love our pressing!!! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERMUDASAINT Posted 27 November, 2021 Share Posted 27 November, 2021 4 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said: Sounds depressingly familiar. You have no clue.....do you like the way Liverpool play, Chealsea, rb lip or even man city? They are all employing Radnick ideas, which is a version of leeds beliesa style. When Spain destroyed everyone with the tic tac style, with the 7 players from the dominant Barcelona team in 2010 ( Pep is a student of Beliesa), the Germans took notice. They revamped their entire football structure, out of this change came the gegenpressing, which means counter pressing. Klopp had introduced this style to pool, but we had seen it with Poch. So the press and everything else you need to do to make it work has become the weapon of choice for PROGRESSIVE coaches. It allowed rb lip to challenge the elite because the press style can disrupt other team as they are being closed down and option are dwindling. So the really big teams that employ this will also have the great players that will make them very hard to beat if they can execute this demanding style. I am so happy we have a progressive coach and we can be part of this exciting style of playing ball. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 27 November, 2021 Share Posted 27 November, 2021 21 minutes ago, BERMUDASAINT said: You have no clue.....do you like the way Liverpool play, Chealsea, rb lip or even man city? They are all employing Radnick ideas, which is a version of leeds beliesa style. When Spain destroyed everyone with the tic tac style, with the 7 players from the dominant Barcelona team in 2010 ( Pep is a student of Beliesa), the Germans took notice. They revamped their entire football structure, out of this change came the gegenpressing, which means counter pressing. Klopp had introduced this style to pool, but we had seen it with Poch. So the press and everything else you need to do to make it work has become the weapon of choice for PROGRESSIVE coaches. It allowed rb lip to challenge the elite because the press style can disrupt other team as they are being closed down and option are dwindling. So the really big teams that employ this will also have the great players that will make them very hard to beat if they can execute this demanding style. I am so happy we have a progressive coach and we can be part of this exciting style of playing ball. All we need now is the players 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 27 November, 2021 Share Posted 27 November, 2021 Some interesting spelling of names going on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 I wish he'd fuck off. All that crap this week about having sorted the defence and that's the platform for winning games. Next thing we concede 4 at Liverpool and fail to score, again. Yes, we need to defend better than last season but we also need to start scoring goals as that's how games are won! It's time for a change of management, before it's too late. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 Alisson made some good saves in fairness. I don't want a change in manager, we're a work in progress. And who is out there who could do a better job, honestly? Bearing in mind we only go for unemployed managers. The kneejerk reactions have got to stop. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 Article says Ralph is a Rangnick disciple. Stats to back it up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 1 hour ago, Pamplemousse said: The kneejerk reactions have got to stop. It’s hardly knee jerk, people have wanted him out for over 6 months. For the avoidance of any doubt or being accused of knee jerk reaction, this is my view. I wanted him gone at the end of last season, not during it. I thought he should have been replaced pre season, but when he wasn’t I think he should remain until the end of this season. IF he continues in the same vein the rest of this season, I’ll want him replaced. If that’s knee jerk, then my cocks a carrot 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 On 18/11/2021 at 16:34, Toadhall Saint said: Good interview with Salisu on the Hampshire paper thing. Speaks very highly of RH ( yeah I know he’s the manager) and how he worked with him and was instructed in how RH wanted his CB’s to play. Not sure ralph knows how he wants anyone to play anymore. Tactically clueless more often than not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 1 hour ago, Streaky said: Not sure ralph knows how he wants anyone to play anymore. Tactically clueless more often than not. Only when we lose apparently 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 21 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: Only when we lose apparently Not sure i totally agree with that. even the games we won, as well as we played first half of those, we were as poor second halves, and were fortunate in a couple to get the wins. I get there are swings and roundabouts, but for a year, most 2nd half performances have been an utter disaster. This shows me the players are good enough to be mid table, maybe slightly higher but not much, but that tactics, or getting out thought by opposing managers, is on Ralph. This season he has been slightly better than last, but the base was so low last season, I’m genuinely not sure if this is a good thing, or more likely an acceptable thing, or if we are slightly underachieving. We also know if things go against us, as much as we have the ability to be 1st half of last season good, we can be 2nd half of last season disastrous. The reason I am a little more nervous this season is we dont have the points we had last season as our credit in the bank so to speak. I think Dec is a huge month for Ralph personally, and can see it going either way results wise, and ultimately job wise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 27 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: Only when we lose apparently Games we've won recently'ish Leeds Villa Watford Leeds had about 100 players out with injury. Villa were atrocious and sacked Smith afterwards. Watford just brought in a new manager. They weren't Ralph being tactically astute. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 43 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: Games we've won recently'ish Leeds Villa Watford Leeds had about 100 players out with injury. Villa were atrocious and sacked Smith afterwards. Watford just brought in a new manager. They weren't Ralph being tactically astute. Drop it mate you re just embarassing yourself 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, stevy777_x said: Drop it mate you re just embarassing yourself How? Fucking Leeds? Villa Watford. Lost to Norwich. Battered yesterday Happy with that are you? Edited 28 November, 2021 by JustinSFC 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 Ralph shaggers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 3 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: Ralph shaggers Does your mummy know you're using the computer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 16 minutes ago, stevy777_x said: Drop it mate you re just embarassing yourself He’s not wrong though, is he. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 8 minutes ago, cloggy saint said: Does your mummy know you're using the computer? He should have been sacked after that second 9-0 V United like any other club would have. Yet you people defend him like he's the second coming. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: It’s hardly knee jerk, people have wanted him out for over 6 months. For the avoidance of any doubt or being accused of knee jerk reaction, this is my view. I wanted him gone at the end of last season, not during it. I thought he should have been replaced pre season, but when he wasn’t I think he should remain until the end of this season. IF he continues in the same vein the rest of this season, I’ll want him replaced. If that’s knee jerk, then my cocks a carrot Sums up where I’m at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 3 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: He should have been sacked after that second 9-0 V United like any other club would have. Yet you people defend him like he's the second coming. I'm neither defending him nor vilifying him, just pointing out that 'Ralph shaggers' is a rather juvenile comment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 57 minutes ago, cloggy saint said: I'm neither defending him nor vilifying him, just pointing out that 'Ralph shaggers' is a rather juvenile comment. At least is wasnt as aggressive as he usually posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 1 hour ago, Dman said: He’s not wrong though, is he. Hilarious how one of the biggest ones is still insisting Ralph didn’t get it wrong even after Ralph he admitted himself he did 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 And who would we replace him with?? I think we would struggle to find a manager who is a upgrade on Ralf at this moment in time and in my opinion it would be suicidal to get rid of him now, some may say we could get rid of him at the end of the season but I cannot see us attracting any better quality managers that may be available at that time due to the fact that we are skint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisonlyonemickychannon Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 Bye Ralph. Two 9-0's Crys beating Liverpool 1-0 Mccarthy still in goal Happy to be beat 4-0 Terrible motivator if you listen to post match interview 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 28 minutes ago, Uncle Albert said: And who would we replace him with?? I think we would struggle to find a manager who is a upgrade on Ralf at this moment in time and in my opinion it would be suicidal to get rid of him now, some may say we could get rid of him at the end of the season but I cannot see us attracting any better quality managers that may be available at that time due to the fact that we are skint. the same was said around the time Hughes was up for the chop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: the same was said around the time Hughes was up for the chop It’s the same line trotted out by his fan boys over and over again. That somehow we can’t attract a better manager than Ralph. How many premier league supporters would swap their present manager for Ralph? Not many I reckon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 49 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: the same was said around the time Hughes was up for the chop Well, if you don't rate Ralph it was true wasn't it. But be serious, is any top manager going to come to a club that is skint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 16 minutes ago, Dellman said: Well, if you don't rate Ralph it was true wasn't it. But be serious, is any top manager going to come to a club that is skint? The club isn’t skint, it just has to spend within its means. IIRC Ralph is on a pretty decent financial package. I’m very much in the camp for keeping Ralph, but given the salary I think it’s not unreasonable to suggest that we couldn’t attract some relatively decent names if a change was made (I hope we don’t, Ralph has his flaws but I don’t see many others getting a significantly better tune out of this squad). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 44 minutes ago, The Kraken said: The club isn’t skint, it just has to spend within its means. IIRC Ralph is on a pretty decent financial package. I’m very much in the camp for keeping Ralph, but given the salary I think it’s not unreasonable to suggest that we couldn’t attract some relatively decent names if a change was made (I hope we don’t, Ralph has his flaws but I don’t see many others getting a significantly better tune out of this squad). No doubt we could get a decent manger on the same wages as he's on. If we decide to sack him which is expensive and then appoint a manager who isn't a free agent that's where finances become problematic. I just can't see us paying him off and forking out compensation to another team for their manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: It’s the same line trotted out by his fan boys over and over again. That somehow we can’t attract a better manager than Ralph. How many premier league supporters would swap their present manager for Ralph? Not many I reckon. I can't think of one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 Koeman has just had a 10m euro payoff, for an already wealthy man I can’t see him doing anything other than a project he really wants. Saints isn’t that, imo. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 Koeman won't come back here and I don't want him here. In my opinion, and it is only my opinion, the players he brought here were already identified by Paul Mitchell. He was an absolute fucking disaster at Everton with a blank chequebook. And anyway, the only reason he came here in the first place was because we're a Premier League team that fit his pathway to Barcelona. I wouldn't want him back and he isn't someone from I gather about Semmens, that he would appoint. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 2 hours ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: I can't think of one Everton fans might. They proper hate Rafa. Take a look at their forum at the Rafa thread. It's been like that for months now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 1 hour ago, adriansfc said: Ralph has plenty of positives but it's nonsense we couldn't attract anyone. It's the premier League, we're an established club, not exactly looking like going down. There's no reason we couldn't convince someone decent. Out of interest who'd take Koeman? Most likely a disaster but might be fun. We're his most successful club surely? Maybe Feyenoord. But his record elsewhere might have him likely to stay with us, might just be a good fit. At our level his contacts come in handy. But maybe I'm just bored of ralphball. I like him, I just think he makes some ridiculous decisions with line ups. It's tricky as prime Poch or Koeman would only have this squad maybe 4 or 5 points better off, but better football..but more likely Puel, Hughes, Pellegrino types would have it bottom right now. I'd take beating Sunderland 8-0 and finishing 6th (qualifying for Europe) every day. But there is no way Koeman would come back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolus Ex Machina Posted 28 November, 2021 Share Posted 28 November, 2021 1 hour ago, adriansfc said: Ralph has plenty of positives but it's nonsense we couldn't attract anyone. It's the premier League, we're an established club, not exactly looking like going down. There's no reason we couldn't convince someone decent. Out of interest who'd take Koeman? Most likely a disaster but might be fun. We're his most successful club surely? Maybe Feyenoord. But his record elsewhere might have him likely to stay with us, might just be a good fit. At our level his contacts come in handy. But maybe I'm just bored of ralphball. I like him, I just think he makes some ridiculous decisions with line ups. It's tricky as prime Poch or Koeman would only have this squad maybe 4 or 5 points better off, but better football..but more likely Puel, Hughes, Pellegrino types would have it bottom right now. Little harsh on Puel I think. His win % with us is now better than Ralphs I believe and in his one season had Redmond as his top scorer and his best player in Van Dijk out for half the season. Still managed to get us the memorable cup semi-final against Liverpool, had us go toe-to-toe with United in the final and got us a win against Inter Milan in Europe. I don't think he'd have us performing any better than we currently are but don't think he'd do particularly worse either. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 November, 2021 Share Posted 29 November, 2021 8 hours ago, Diabolus Ex Machina said: Little harsh on Puel I think. His win % with us is now better than Ralphs I believe and in his one season had Redmond as his top scorer and his best player in Van Dijk out for half the season. Still managed to get us the memorable cup semi-final against Liverpool, had us go toe-to-toe with United in the final and got us a win against Inter Milan in Europe. I don't think he'd have us performing any better than we currently are but don't think he'd do particularly worse either. Boring unless Puel who got us to 8th when he had Mane, Pelle and Wanyama sold soon as he arrived and Van Dijk and Fonte out for half the season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singapore Saint Posted 29 November, 2021 Share Posted 29 November, 2021 When is Ralph’s contact up? I'm counting the days... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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