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Dman

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  On 13/05/2022 at 10:42, Saint Garrett said:

Interesting…

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Realised he’s taken us as far as he can? 
Jumping before being pushed? 
Responsibility being taken away and the new owners looking to bring in someone to help him… which he doesn’t like? 
 

Either way, if true, good news as a change is needed. 

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Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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I would be ok for him to stay if

a. He gets backed in summer and improves keeper,  defence, creative players, forwards to replace Long and Broja

b. We get better coaches and second in command

c. He listens to them!

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kwsaint

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That does look like he is on his way.  Odds only make that kind of move if either someone puts a shed load of money on at the original odds or the bookies have heard whispers and have reduced the odds as a result.

I wonder if he has something already lined up.  I don't think that he will want to stick around if he knows that the majority of fans are no longer supporting him.

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DT

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I wonder if he went for the Austria job, hence his mind was elsewhere, and now after having not got it he's demotivated at Saints. Noises from the club are that they are keeping him though so I'm surprised at these odds. Unless Frank has suddenly said yes...

saint1977

saint1977

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  On 13/05/2022 at 11:00, Dman said:

Realised he’s taken us as far as he can? 
Jumping before being pushed? 
Responsibility being taken away and the new owners looking to bring in someone to help him… which he doesn’t like? 
 

Either way, if true, good news as a change is needed. 

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Club has backed him strongly in public but also rumours on here that the club want to revamp the coaching staff. Whilst RH has put up with the lack of transfer funds, I can’t see him being comfortable with new staff that the club would have the final say on selecting, he’s had virtually 100% autonomy in a way that is rare now. So more transfer funds but less control might not be as attractive hence scenario three would be the most likely grapevine for those betting patterns. 

Alan Sugarfree

Alan Sugarfree

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  On 13/05/2022 at 11:24, Give it to Ron said:

I would be ok for him to stay if

a. He gets backed in summer and improves keeper,  defence, creative players, forwards to replace Long and Broja

b. We get better coaches and second in command

c. He listens to them!

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On A, I wouldn’t want the club to give him the chance to waste another summer of transfers (or extending yet again, the contract of Long etc) on him.

On B, be a waste of time as C would never happen. He’s too inflexible.

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Toussaint

Toussaint

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  On 13/05/2022 at 17:47, Dark Munster said:

Me too!

 

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Therein lies a big part of the Problem, no one else would have been cut the slack Ralph has if we hadn’t had a succession of duds prior to him. We could do worse and have done, worse seems to be a common theme.

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 13/05/2022 at 11:00, Dman said:

Realised he’s taken us as far as he can? Jumping before being pushed? 
Responsibility being taken away and the new owners looking to bring in someone to help him… which he doesn’t like? Either way, if true, good news as a change is needed. 

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If what is true? Him having short odds? And why 'either way'?

Odds shorten if punters place bets. The reason they placed the bet could be completely without evidence and merely them wishing it to happen.

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Totton Saint

Totton Saint

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  On 13/05/2022 at 11:00, Dman said:

Realised he’s taken us as far as he can? 
Jumping before being pushed? 
Responsibility being taken away and the new owners looking to bring in someone to help him… which he doesn’t like? 
 

Either way, if true, good news as a change is needed. 

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To think that a season or two ago we were worried that a top club would poach him.  How things have changed, We had a real uplift foe a while after we the new owners came in.  What has happened since to cause the drop off?

sydenhamssocks

sydenhamssocks

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  On 13/05/2022 at 17:52, Toussaint said:

Therein lies a big part of the Problem, no one else would have been cut the slack Ralph has if we hadn’t had a succession of duds prior to him. We could do worse and have done, worse seems to be a common theme.

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Absolutely this ! 

Katalinic

Katalinic

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  On 13/05/2022 at 12:10, saint1977 said:

Club has backed him strongly in public but also rumours on here that the club want to revamp the coaching staff. Whilst RH has put up with the lack of transfer funds, I can’t see him being comfortable with new staff that the club would have the final say on selecting, he’s had virtually 100% autonomy in a way that is rare now. So more transfer funds but less control might not be as attractive hence scenario three would be the most likely grapevine for those betting patterns. 

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Maybe the coaching staff want a change of manager.

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Guest

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He’ll still be here this time next season, and we’ll still be in the same position.

Yes he’ll get a little more money but I can’t see the signings being that impactful given his reluctance to adapt from his beloved 4-2-2-2 bullshit.

They’ll be wasted.

Dusic

Dusic

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  On 13/05/2022 at 20:34, FarehamSaintJames said:

He’ll still be here this time next season, and we’ll still be in the same position.

Yes he’ll get a little more money but I can’t see the signings being that impactful given his reluctance to adapt from his beloved 4-2-2-2 bullshit.

They’ll be wasted.

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Considering we are just 5pts off the top half and havent been in the relegation scrap all season is the same position really all that bad?

The only team we have outspent over the last two or three seasons who is above us is Brentford. Everyone else has spent more, and even in the case of some middle table sides considerably more.

In the summer does anyone really think we will financially compete with Villa, Newcastle, Leicester, Wolves, West Ham, Everton? If not then why do you feel we should be finishing above any of those sides?

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Dman

Dman

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  On 13/05/2022 at 18:04, Matthew Le God said:

If what is true? Him having short odds? And why 'either way'?

Odds shorten if punters place bets. The reason they placed the bet could be completely without evidence and merely them wishing it to happen.

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If him being the next to leave is true, obviously… 

 

And yes, I along with every single other person you point this out to, know how odds work. A drop of such significance would take a fair amount of money pumped on it and given nothing has been reported in the media (if anything it’s been the other way), to me would suggest ‘inside knowledge’. Of course there is nothing to suggest that inside knowledge is true though. 

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aintforever

aintforever

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  On 13/05/2022 at 17:52, Toussaint said:

Therein lies a big part of the Problem, no one else would have been cut the slack Ralph has if we hadn’t had a succession of duds prior to him. We could do worse and have done, worse seems to be a common theme.

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Or maybe the performance of those before him shows he is actually a good manager?

I think he deserves a season after actually having some decent investment, I wouldn’t be surprised if the new owners have their own guy lined up tho. 

manji

manji

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Some dismiss our new board. They are intelligent football people not fucking oil manganates. Or the like. I trust them . They’ve been quiet. That’s a good thing I reckon there’s a lot of work going on behind the scenes.

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Suhari

Suhari

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  On 14/05/2022 at 11:31, AlexLaw76 said:

Seriously, was Les Reed just lying when saying this?

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It was simply a strange, strange appointment.

Do we know who turned us down before we got to the bottom of the barrel?

Dman

Dman

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  On 14/05/2022 at 13:33, Suhari said:

It was simply a strange, strange appointment.

Do we know who turned us down before we got to the bottom of the barrel?

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I know Tuchel 100% did, we spend ages trying to get him 

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Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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  On 14/05/2022 at 13:33, Suhari said:

It was simply a strange, strange appointment.

 

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It wasn’t really. 
 

Played for Barcelona, Valencia & Liverpool. Played in 2 champions league finals, won 2 la Ligas and The UEFA cup, played for Argentina. Was Benitez assistant, and despite getting the sack from Valencia, got Alavés to the copa del Rey final. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, he’s a terrible manager. He had the pedigree on paper and at that moment in time ,for a club like ours, it wasn’t that strange. 

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Suhari

Suhari

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  On 14/05/2022 at 16:55, Lord Duckhunter said:

It wasn’t really. 
 

Played for Barcelona, Valencia & Liverpool. Played in 2 champions league finals, won 2 la Ligas and The UEFA cup, played for Argentina. Was Benitez assistant, and despite getting the sack from Valencia, got Alavés to the copa del Rey final. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, he’s a terrible manager. He had the pedigree on paper and at that moment in time ,for a club like ours, it wasn’t that strange. 

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I can see that, however: style of play: nothing suggested high-press, energy, progression.

And following Koeman? When we were at the highest ebb we'd had in years?

Did any of us, at the time say: "oh hell yes!"?

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 14/05/2022 at 18:53, Suhari said:

I can see that, however: style of play: nothing suggested high-press, energy, progression.

And following Koeman? When we were at the highest ebb we'd had in years?

Did any of us, at the time say: "oh hell yes!"?

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It was Puel who followed Koeman, not Pellegrino. 

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Suhari

Suhari

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  On 14/05/2022 at 19:01, Matthew Le God said:

It was Puel who followed Koeman, not Pellegrino. 

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REALLY?!

I'm working off memory: didn't fact-check. Isn't it crazy how the mind works. I'd have bet my house he was straight after Ronald.

But damn: Les made some strange decisions.

HarvSFC

HarvSFC

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Yeah, the Hughes appointment in itself wasn't the worst thing. We could have gone for another inexperienced manager and ended up as Leeds are now after appointing Marsch. A three year contract and a summer window, where JWP was linked to Burnley and Watford though, that was when we threw out all of our previous strategies. And now he's managing in League Two.

tajjuk

tajjuk

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  On 13/05/2022 at 21:23, Dusic said:

Considering we are just 5pts off the top half and havent been in the relegation scrap all season is the same position really all that bad?

The only team we have outspent over the last two or three seasons who is above us is Brentford. Everyone else has spent more, and even in the case of some middle table sides considerably more.

In the summer does anyone really think we will financially compete with Villa, Newcastle, Leicester, Wolves, West Ham, Everton? If not then why do you feel we should be finishing above any of those sides?

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Exactly. People seem to forget that the biggest contract we have ever given out in the club (which essentially was earmarked for Ings then went to JWP), most of those clubs you mention there will have half their first teams on those sort of wages or more. I mean who knows what level of contract Coutinho just got (considering he was on £400k a week at Barca) and we know with a decent amount of certainty that Ings is on more than anyone here is paid because it was clearly the only real reason he made the move. West Ham just offered Rice more than £200k a week for 8 years. 

All those clubs also probably have doubled or more our record transfer, they will spend £35-40 million on player if not more.  I think only Burnley, Brentford, and Norwich have lower record transfer fees than us. 

We are by PL standards poor relations, amongst the bottom third financially by pretty much most metrics you look at. 

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Saint86

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  On 13/05/2022 at 21:23, Dusic said:

Considering we are just 5pts off the top half and havent been in the relegation scrap all season is the same position really all that bad?

The only team we have outspent over the last two or three seasons who is above us is Brentford. Everyone else has spent more, and even in the case of some middle table sides considerably more.

In the summer does anyone really think we will financially compete with Villa, Newcastle, Leicester, Wolves, West Ham, Everton? If not then why do you feel we should be finishing above any of those sides?

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Exactly this.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 17/05/2022 at 10:22, tajjuk said:

Exactly. People seem to forget that the biggest contract we have ever given out in the club (which essentially was earmarked for Ings then went to JWP), most of those clubs you mention there will have half their first teams on those sort of wages or more. I mean who knows what level of contract Coutinho just got (considering he was on £400k a week at Barca) and we know with a decent amount of certainty that Ings is on more than anyone here is paid because it was clearly the only real reason he made the move. West Ham just offered Rice more than £200k a week for 8 years. 

All those clubs also probably have doubled or more our record transfer, they will spend £35-40 million on player if not more.  I think only Burnley, Brentford, and Norwich have lower record transfer fees than us. 

We are by PL standards poor relations, amongst the bottom third financially by pretty much most metrics you look at. 

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Absolutely, and it's even more important for us to get scouting right as we can't really fix our mistakes.

I think this is the first summer in many, many years that we've had a bit more leeway though and more flexibility. We're not going to be competing with Villa or Newcastle, West Ham for wages or transfer fees, but what we can compete with them on is scouting. We won't spend as much, but it's not always about how much you spend it's how you spend it.

Brentford have got no right to be above Everton for example, there's like half a billion difference in transfer fee's between them over the last few years. But crappy scouting has done for Everton, not a lack of spending. We were also guilty of crappy scouting after Koeman which hasn't helped us either.

 

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Toussaint

Toussaint

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  On 17/05/2022 at 05:29, Maggie May said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re looking at Ange at Celtic if next season starts slowly.

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I would say his stock maybe and aspirations are too high for us, although I would be in favour if we could get him. I guess it would depend on our level of investment, he wouldn't want his career to regress which it could well do without the necessary investment.

Toussaint

Toussaint

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  On 13/05/2022 at 21:23, Dusic said:

Considering we are just 5pts off the top half and havent been in the relegation scrap all season is the same position really all that bad?

The only team we have outspent over the last two or three seasons who is above us is Brentford. Everyone else has spent more, and even in the case of some middle table sides considerably more.

In the summer does anyone really think we will financially compete with Villa, Newcastle, Leicester, Wolves, West Ham, Everton? If not then why do you feel we should be finishing above any of those sides?

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Our final league position isn't the issue for most people who have lost patience with Ralph, as is well documented above and just about every game thread so I won't bother repeating them.   

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Highfield Saint

Highfield Saint

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  On 17/05/2022 at 10:22, tajjuk said:

Exactly. People seem to forget that the biggest contract we have ever given out in the club (which essentially was earmarked for Ings then went to JWP), most of those clubs you mention there will have half their first teams on those sort of wages or more. I mean who knows what level of contract Coutinho just got (considering he was on £400k a week at Barca) and we know with a decent amount of certainty that Ings is on more than anyone here is paid because it was clearly the only real reason he made the move. West Ham just offered Rice more than £200k a week for 8 years. 

All those clubs also probably have doubled or more our record transfer, they will spend £35-40 million on player if not more.  I think only Burnley, Brentford, and Norwich have lower record transfer fees than us. 

We are by PL standards poor relations, amongst the bottom third financially by pretty much most metrics you look at. 

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I wonder what Eriksen's contract with Brentford is worth a week? Signing him was the best deal of the season.

once_bitterne

once_bitterne

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  On 13/05/2022 at 11:47, kwsaint said:

That does look like he is on his way.  Odds only make that kind of move if either someone puts a shed load of money on at the original odds or the bookies have heard whispers and have reduced the odds as a result.

I wonder if he has something already lined up.  I don't think that he will want to stick around if he knows that the majority of fans are no longer supporting him.

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The 'next PL boss to lose his job' market is so small it wouldn't take much money at all to bring a long shot in to much shorter odds.

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