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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 30/11/2021 at 18:30, Bob76 said:

So we lost the game due to a couple of GK errors, but also dominated possession and missed chances.

Did they not also contribute to the loss?

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Not really. If you keep a clean sheet you can’t lose, but if you let in two goals you have to score at least two yourself which is asking a lot.

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Chris cooper

Chris cooper

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  On 30/11/2021 at 11:12, Dman said:

Puel’s team was frustrating to watch, in the main because we went from attacking / winning football with Poch and Koeman to Puel who was more defensively minded. Puel however was, imo, a much better ‘coach’ and tactically far better than Hassenhuttl. 

I wasn’t a fan of Puel, but if he’d been shown the loyalty and time that Ralph has, I suspect he’d have been seen as one of our better managers, along with Poch and Koeman. 

Given the choice of the 2 now, I think in our current situation, I’d pick Puel. 

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Puel over Ralph is a no contest as a coach..puel was better  … personality wise obviously Ralph has a certain charm .. but to be allowed to totally have obviously full control tactically throughout the whole club is worrying and when he goes will take sometime to fix … puel now In hindsight should have been allowed to continue .. wasn’t attacking but was feeling his way and improving tactically.. sold our best players but still had a plan .

Ex Lion Tamer

Ex Lion Tamer

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  On 01/12/2021 at 06:10, Chris cooper said:

Puel over Ralph is a no contest as a coach..puel was better  … personality wise obviously Ralph has a certain charm .. but to be allowed to totally have obviously full control tactically throughout the whole club is worrying and when he goes will take sometime to fix … puel now In hindsight should have been allowed to continue .. wasn’t attacking but was feeling his way and improving tactically.. sold our best players but still had a plan .

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Meanwhile Puel's St Etienne are bottom of the table and he had to be escorted home by police because fans are so furious over their performances.

Before that he was sacked by Leicester for his terrible dull performances.

With us the team scored one goal in their last six games and only 17 goals in 19 home games all season. Attendances were dropping and it was hard to see him turning it around, the team had lost all attacking confidence.

Class manager though

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Chris cooper

Chris cooper

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  On 01/12/2021 at 07:41, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Meanwhile Puel's St Etienne are bottom of the table and he had to be escorted home by police because fans are so furious over their performances.

Before that he was sacked by Leicester for his terrible dull performances.

With us the team scored one goal in their last six games and only 17 goals in 19 home games all season. Attendances were dropping and it was hard to see him turning it around, the team had lost all attacking confidence.

Class manager though

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Had to sell all his best players but still finished 8th and should have won our 1st trophy since 1976 if it wasn’t for a disallowed goal and no van dijk to take care of ibrahimovic..far far better than gung ho hassenclue!

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miserableoldgit

miserableoldgit

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  On 01/12/2021 at 07:41, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Meanwhile Puel's St Etienne are bottom of the table and he had to be escorted home by police because fans are so furious over their performances.

Before that he was sacked by Leicester for his terrible dull performances.

With us the team scored one goal in their last six games and only 17 goals in 19 home games all season. Attendances were dropping and it was hard to see him turning it around, the team had lost all attacking confidence.

Class manager though

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Ah, but you are talking facts and statistics. They don't matter... 

Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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  On 01/12/2021 at 08:09, Chris cooper said:

Had to sell all his best players but still finished 8th and should have won our 1st trophy since 1976 if it wasn’t for a disallowed goal and no van dijk to take care of ibrahimovic..far far better than gung ho hassenclue!

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You forgot the JPT we won 🙂

Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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  On 01/12/2021 at 09:04, miserableoldgit said:

Ah, but you are talking facts and statistics. They don't matter... 

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what managers do at other clubs doesn’t matter.

 

Lawrie was fucking woeful at Sunderland and awful as NI boss, but that doesn’t diminish what he achieved for us. Nobody would say WGS was a better Southampton  manager than Lawrie because he did well at Celtic and Lawrie was shite at Sunderland. 

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TWar

TWar

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  On 02/12/2021 at 12:52, nta786 said:

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I'd say Betfair don't have a clue and have made up some of these odds

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I think all the obvious candidates have already gone. Rafa is basically the last candidate and tbh it would be a poor sacking given his drop in form has coincided with losing his star striker, and also losing Richarlison for a good while.

No manager to leave could be a good punt, as could Howe or Ranieri. Of course, depends how trigger happy the everton board are

TWar

TWar

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  On 02/12/2021 at 16:42, Lord Duckhunter said:

Luckily Everton are run by people like you, and they’re impressed with the job he’s doing. 

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I don't know why people keep taking that out of context. Do they genuinely not understand the context or are they deliberately doing so?

Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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  On 02/12/2021 at 16:57, TWar said:

I don't know why people keep taking that out of context. Do they genuinely not understand the context or are they deliberately doing so?

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You’re impressed with the job he’s doing & so are the people running Everton. I don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make. What’s taken out of context? 

TWar

TWar

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  On 02/12/2021 at 18:38, Lord Duckhunter said:

You’re impressed with the job he’s doing & so are the people running Everton. I don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make. What’s taken out of context? 

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In context "people like me" ment  people who wanted Ralph to stay, people not like me ment Ralph people who wanted Ralph gone. It was lucky people like me were in charge (people who didn't want to get rid of Ralph) as he is still here and is doing well. Hope this helps.

This has 0 relevance to Everton. I also think Rafa is doing a good job, he's under pressure for completely different reasons though. He lost both his best forwards and had to replace them with guys who cost less than £1.5m between them. Also, the fans hate him because of a historical connection to liverpool. 

Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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  On 02/12/2021 at 18:43, TWar said:

In context "people like me" ment  people who wanted Ralph to stay, people not like me ment Ralph people who wanted Ralph gone. It was lucky people like me were in charge 

 

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Which is exactly what I wrote. 


You are “impressed” (your words) with the job Rafa is doing. So people like you want Rafa to stay, including the decision makers at the club. Therefore writing  “people like you” is entirely in context. 
 


 

 

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TWar

TWar

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  On 02/12/2021 at 19:22, Lord Duckhunter said:

Yeah, he’s doing a great job. Keeping the 12th most expensive squad in Europe 5 points above the relegation zone is impressive. 

 

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A little disingenuous, considering that

A. There best players have been out for a decent time  

B. They are only 7 points off Europe. And

C. Ancelloti, a very good manager, only got this side to 10th and he had James Rodriguez at his disposal as opposed to Andros Townsend.

Charlie Wayman

Charlie Wayman

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Ralph's tenure here is probably inextricably tied to the Takeover situation;  when the latter is resolved it is likely a resolution of the former will soon follow.

New owners are likely to be far more ambitious than Gao and probably will view the last three years under this manager as little more than treading water.

 

We must hope that a new manager coming in will be less in awe and thrall of the big clubs and to be part of the best league in the world. Before Ralph we never heard this kind of negativity around the camp. Why is it necessary for him and by association the Club to be so humble. Most fans have always believed that 'we were in it to win it' not just to make up the numbers and those magical four seasons under Poch & Koeman justified that optimism. 

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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 03/12/2021 at 10:13, Charlie Wayman said:

Ralph's tenure here is probably inextricably tied to the Takeover situation;  when the latter is resolved it is likely a resolution of the former will soon follow.

New owners are likely to be far more ambitious than Gao and probably will view the last three years under this manager as little more than treading water.

 

We must hope that a new manager coming in will be less in awe and thrall of the big clubs and to be part of the best league in the world. Before Ralph we never heard this kind of negativity around the camp. Why is it necessary for him and by association the Club to be so humble. Most fans have always believed that 'we were in it to win it' not just to make up the numbers and those magical four seasons under Poch & Koeman justified that optimism. 

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What on Earth are you talking about?

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Golac's Cunning Stunts

Golac's Cunning Stunts

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  On 02/12/2021 at 16:33, TWar said:

I think all the obvious candidates have already gone. Rafa is basically the last candidate and tbh it would be a poor sacking given his drop in form has coincided with losing his star striker, and also losing Richarlison for a good while.

No manager to leave could be a good punt, as could Howe or Ranieri. Of course, depends how trigger happy the everton board are

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ralph is an obvious candidate, so not all of them have already gone

TWar

TWar

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  On 03/12/2021 at 17:32, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

ralph is an obvious candidate, so not all of them have already gone

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If you think he's obvious (like more than about 30%) I'd put some money on. You can get 11/2 on betfair. I personally think there is next to no chance he goes unless we get a new owner and they are a nutter.

TWar

TWar

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  On 03/12/2021 at 10:13, Charlie Wayman said:

Ralph's tenure here is probably inextricably tied to the Takeover situation;  when the latter is resolved it is likely a resolution of the former will soon follow.

New owners are likely to be far more ambitious than Gao and probably will view the last three years under this manager as little more than treading water.

 

We must hope that a new manager coming in will be less in awe and thrall of the big clubs and to be part of the best league in the world. Before Ralph we never heard this kind of negativity around the camp. Why is it necessary for him and by association the Club to be so humble. Most fans have always believed that 'we were in it to win it' not just to make up the numbers and those magical four seasons under Poch & Koeman justified that optimism. 

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Ralph has done perfectly well with the money provided, has improved players considerably, knows the team and it's strengths incredibly well, and has proven that he can take a small team and push them up the league to the higher echelons when given a budget (RB Leipzig). I honestly can't think of a better realistic person to do the job if we get ambitious owners.

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Golac's Cunning Stunts

Golac's Cunning Stunts

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  On 03/12/2021 at 17:38, TWar said:

Ralph has done perfectly well with the money provided, has improved players considerably, knows the team and it's strengths incredibly well, and has proven that he can take a small team and push them up the league to the higher echelons (RB Leipzig). I honestly can't think of a better person to do the job if we get ambitious owners.

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Yeah i get you are fully indoctinated in the cult, but do you need to keep trotting this stuff out? Cold light of day: he is an obvious candidate for the chop. Most (all) other teams in the prem would already have chopped him. Question for you: if he knows the team and its strengths incredibly well why does he make so many strange team selections?

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TWar

TWar

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  On 03/12/2021 at 17:42, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Yeah i get you are fully indoctinated in the cult, but do you need to keep trotting this stuff out? Cold light of day: he is an obvious candidate for the chop. Most (all) other teams in the prem would already have chopped him. Question for you: if he knows the team and its strengths incredibly well why does he make so many strange team selections?

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I don't think he does...

I think he makes the occasional error like any manager but I think his team selections are mostly well justified and often I think fans who criticise them are often not a party to:

A) Injury/fitness issues 

B) Players under/overperforming in training

C) Aspects of a players game which don't matter as much to a fan but are crucial to our system and you would quickly notice if they were missing ie. passing for a CB, pressing for a forward or attacking mid, or cross claiming with a goalkeeper

I doubt many teams would sack Ralph given how little money he has been given to invest and how poor a squad he inherited. Fans think sacking a manager is a "win more" button and unrealistic expectations for their side. Clubs aren't afflicted so much by this.

Also this "cult" thing is embarrassing. Is it that hard to just realise people have a different view to you and notice a marked increase from the Hughes, Pellegrino era with, relative to the rest of the league, negative investment? 

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Teddeer

Teddeer

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  On 03/12/2021 at 17:47, TWar said:

I don't think he does...

I think he makes the occasional error like any manager but I think his team selections are mostly well justified and often I think fans who criticise them are often not a party to:

A) Injury/fitness issues 

B) Players under/overperforming in training

C) Aspects of a players game which don't matter as much to a fan but are crucial to our system and you would quickly notice if they were missing ie. passing for a CB, pressing for a forward or attacking mid, or cross claiming with a goalkeeper

I doubt many teams would sack Ralph given how little money he has been given to invest and how poor a squad he inherited. Fans think sacking a manager is a "win more" button and unrealistic expectations for their side. Clubs aren't afflicted so much by this.

Also this "cult" thing is embarrassing. Is it that hard to just realise people have a different view to you and notice a marked increase from the Hughes, Pellegrino era with, relative to the rest of the league, negative investment? 

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Whilst not calling for Ralph to be sacked I doubt many other clubs would have afforded him the support our board has up to now given that he's presided over two horrendous defeats by 9-0. Hard to argue with that.

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 03/12/2021 at 18:09, Teddeer said:

Whilst not calling for Ralph to be sacked I doubt many other clubs would have afforded him the support our board has up to now given that he's presided over two horrendous defeats by 9-0. Hard to argue with that.

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The club would probably take a 9-0 every season if we also avoided relegation fairly comfortably, as Ralph has since he arrived here. His mandate, given our lack of net spending, is to stay in the league.

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TWar

TWar

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  On 03/12/2021 at 18:09, Teddeer said:

Whilst not calling for Ralph to be sacked I doubt many other clubs would have afforded him the support our board has up to now given that he's presided over two horrendous defeats by 9-0. Hard to argue with that.

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I think, generally speaking, clubs care more about the bottom line and less about pride. Ralph was perhaps lucky to survive the first 9-0, although sticking by him was very much proven to be the correct move, but by the second one he had proven he was a good manager over the course of many many months so a bad result or two was unlikely to see him lose his job. Especially when he had already, by that point in the season, accumulated enough points for prem safety. With our level of investment safety is basically the only goal and as long as he is nowhere near a relegation battle (as he has been) then he will be fine.

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TWar

TWar

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  On 03/12/2021 at 18:26, JustinSFC said:

I can't think of any fans at any other club who would accept 1 never mind 2 9-0 defeats the way the Ralphist cult do on here.

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Before Ralph our previous two managers had a win % of 18% and 23% and had us within touching distance of relegation multiple times. Since Ralph came in his win % is % is 36%, we haven't come close to relegation, and our team is clearly exponentially better. All this happened while spending the second least in the league, so objectively getting weaker than those around us squad valuewise.

You can say cult all you like, but some people are less hung up on two freak results and can see the bigger picture.

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TWar

TWar

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  On 03/12/2021 at 18:32, JustinSFC said:

Good grief.
 

You've only got to go 1 week back when the simpleton went 2 in midfield against one of the top 3 (in my OPINION) pressing teams in the world.

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So he could have a third CB? And when he had Diallo and Armstrong out so would have had to play a well off the pace Will Smallbone. Not a bad decision at all really.

If you wanted one less player in our defence so we can have Will Smallbone in our midfield, after being out for ages and clearly being well off it, against a midfield of Liverpools quality you are crazy. Give me an extra CB anyday, there is nothing Smallbone could have done to sway that battle against one of the best midfields in the world.

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Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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  On 03/12/2021 at 17:38, TWar said:

Ralph has done perfectly well with the money provided, has improved players considerably, knows the team and it's strengths incredibly well, and has proven that he can take a small team and push them up the league to the higher echelons when given a budget (RB Leipzig). I honestly can't think of a better realistic person to do the job if we get ambitious owners.

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If I was you, I’d see where we finish this season before bowing down to Ralph again. 

 

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The Cat

The Cat

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  On 03/12/2021 at 18:26, JustinSFC said:

I can't think of any fans at any other club who would accept 1 never mind 2 9-0 defeats the way the Ralphist cult do on here.

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If fans were so distraught after the second 9-0 and wanted to make it known to the board that it was unacceptable what did they do? I don't remember any protests or pitch invasions if that's what you're thinking other clubs fans would have done. People mention that he should have been sacked and that's their opinion but if they were so passionate about it they could have tried to make their feelings known, no one was stopping them.

I agree with TWar that this cultist thing people toss around is a bit weird. It's just people who don't have the same opinion as each other, and considering this is a football forum that's hardly a surprise. 

 

Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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  On 03/12/2021 at 19:05, The Cat said:

 

I agree with TWar that this cultist thing people toss around is a bit weird. It's just people who don't have the same opinion as each other, and considering this is a football forum that's hardly a surprise. 

 

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It is like a cult with certain posters, the religion of Ralph. When the messiah admits he made a tactical error at Liverpool, they argue he didn’t. If that’s not cult like, it’s pretty damn close. 

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 03/12/2021 at 19:10, Lord Duckhunter said:

It is like a cult with certain posters, the religion of Ralph. When the messiah admits he made a tactical error at Liverpool, they argue he didn’t. If that’s not cult like, it’s pretty damn close. 

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I can’t remember anyone saying he didn’t make a tactical error, just that he tried something different, which didn’t work. It’s not like it went worse than any other team who’ve played Liverpool recently.

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 03/12/2021 at 18:32, JustinSFC said:

Good grief.
 

You've only got to go 1 week back when the simpleton went 2 in midfield against one of the top 3 (in my OPINION) pressing teams in the world.

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We played with more defensive players in that game than if we played 4222. He took out an attacking midfielder and put in a third centre back!

Manuel

Manuel

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  On 03/12/2021 at 19:12, Lighthouse said:

I can’t remember anyone saying he didn’t make a tactical error, just that he tried something different, which didn’t work. It’s not like it went worse than any other team who’ve played Liverpool recently.

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Yeah, and he's been criticised in the past for NOT trying new things and being too predictable.  

Enjoyed the new set pieces against Leicester.  Would like to see more of that.  We needed a change from Prowse doing the same thing over and over.  

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 03/12/2021 at 19:14, Lord Duckhunter said:

Twar did. 

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He did, and was still saying it was a fantastic tactical call even when Ralph himself admitted he had dropped a bollock.

So the cult is not huge, but the behaviours are there with some on here.

Sarisbury Saint

Sarisbury Saint

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  On 03/12/2021 at 19:12, Lighthouse said:

I can’t remember anyone saying he didn’t make a tactical error, just that he tried something different, which didn’t work. It’s not like it went worse than any other team who’ve played Liverpool recently.

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It’s the fact that everyone (except Twar and MLG)including himself admitted it was a mistake but didn’t change it until we were three down.

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