Change the manager? If so, for who?

[SNSUN]

I don't firmly believe our predicament is Ralph's fault, and if he's willing to stay with us for a long term project, I support him. For me our troubles lie with a very average set of players on the pitch. But everyone knows the easiest person to sack when you want to make a change at a club, is the manager.

 

Where do you stand? Back him or Sack him?

 

And if we sack him, who do we bring in?

[LGTL]

Back him. The squad he’s been given is a ****ing joke.

 

Trying to do something with both hands tied behind his back

[Batman]

for no one. Best we can get, lets be honest

 

he is strange but the squad is a right mess and no doubt, he expected more players incoming

[BotleySaint]

Needs more time. But needs to stop trying to be too smart and get back to basics.

[Crab Lungs]

Nope.

 

Sh1t team full of overrated cr4p.

 

He’s capable for playing those who are rubbish too much but I feel for him having to try and coach that crap. A legacy of cr4p, left by Reed et al and under funding from Gao.

[Wade Garrett]

I wish we could sack the owner.

 

F*cking fly-by-night c*nt.

[Lighthouse]

Keep Ralph, he’s the best we’re going to get. This squad is absolute gash, aside from Yoshi there’s not one of them I’d give the tiniest sh*t about if they left tomorrow.

[Micky]

Sack him, get Sam in, guaranteed survival.

 

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[Pilchards]

Won’t get a better manager in than Ralph so stick with him.

Need to change the philosophy a bit as our suicidal pressing is exposing those behind them.

[sambosa75]

Sorry but he does deserve some of the blame. He has been here a year and is none the wiser as to what his best XI is or what system to play. That said, there isn’t much out there who would do better but he needs to start showing some progress or the owner will get an itchy finger.

[ally_uk]

Can you blame him? what are you supposed to do this squad fluttered with relegation last season adding into the mix a sprinkling or Boufal wont change this..... dress it up how you want this squad is full of bottlers, and dross the squad currently is in a transition period it will take a few transfer windows to gut and sort out this shambles and we may even go down.... don't be surprised....

[kermitsaint]

Ralph hasn't improved the team in any way at all. Appears clueless and refuses to take responsibility.

I never saw anything in him which looked good. Yes our team is poor but we are going backwards. Makes you wonder what goes on in training.

 

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[LeBizzier69]

Technically our players are easily equal to Brighton, Norwich, Villa....so no excuse that they can’t be organised or be made (more) difficult to beat. Manager must take some of the blame here.

[sadoldgit]

Keep him. Fans said rest Adams. Fans said drop Vestergaard.Fans said play the back 4 we had today. It is not an easy job and he doesn’t have a lot of quality to work with but also look where Everton currently are, and some here wanted us to be like them. There is still a long way to go. I think he will sort it.

[Katalinic]

The squad is horrific. Fingers need pointing but in a different direction.

[SKD]

Keep him, clearly.

 

Get rid of the clowns he has supporting him (Kelv, Fleming and Watson), get him some proper support.

 

Back him in January (2 or 3 players)... or we go down.

[Born In The 80s]

Technically our players are easily equal to Brighton, Norwich, Villa....so no excuse that they can’t be organised or be made (more) difficult to beat. Manager must take some of the blame here.

 

This just simply isn't true.

 

We have the worst defensive players in the entire league. These guys are ALL making critical errors every single game. Positionally they're appalling too. There is a reason Yoshida has been benched by every manager we have had since he arrived - Yoshida is now our best CB! This group of CBs in particular are the worst I've seen for quite some time.

[ally_uk]

I think we all know the solution to the issue.

 

https://ibb.co/nmSN4vR

[Greenridge]

It wouldn’t make diddly squat difference.

[saint77]

Keep him, clearly.

 

Get rid of the clowns he has supporting him (Kelv, Fleming and Watson), get him some proper support.

 

Back him in January (2 or 3 players)... or we go down.

 

Exactly this plus get rid of hojberg

[woodsaint]

We're getting worse defensively and all the fist pumps/celebrations with the fans cant cover that. Thats on Ralph but who could we actually bring in to replace him. He deserves our patience

[davefoggy]

Won’t get a better manager in than Ralph so stick with him.

Need to change the philosophy a bit as our suicidal pressing is exposing those behind them.

 

Really???

[Badger]

Back him. The squad he’s been given is a ****ing joke.

 

Trying to do something with both hands tied behind his back

 

Exactly.

 

I doubt Pep could make this lot into a team, so don'yt blame Ralph for the current shambles even if some of his selections are at times mystifying.

 

I wish we could sack the owner.

 

F*cking fly-by-night c*nt.

 

This is where much of the the blame for the present mess should lie. Although Reed and Wilson are first in line for our abysmal recruitment.

[doddisalegend]

Hoj, Bertrand, Yoshida, Redmond, Long, JWP, Cedric, Stephens and Romeu have played under four different mangers since Puel and despite saints being pretty much turd for large portions of that time they are all still in and around the first team or even integral members over it.

 

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[LeBizzier69]

This just simply isn't true.

 

We have the worst defensive players in the entire league. These guys are ALL making critical errors every single game. Positionally they're appalling too. There is a reason Yoshida has been benched by every manager we have had since he arrived - Yoshida is now our best CB! This group of CBs in particular are the worst I've seen for quite some time.

 

These players have all shown they can compete in this league. But they’re not at the moment. This isn’t down to technical ability.

Please don’t tell me it’s down to quality of player.

[Badger]

Out of interest does anyone know how many managers we are still paying, or paying off ?

[K,Billy's supersound]

Keep him, clearly.

 

Get rid of the clowns he has supporting him (Kelv, Fleming and Watson), get him some proper support.

 

Back him in January (2 or 3 players)... or we go down.

 

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[doddisalegend]

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[doddisalegend]

These players have all shown they can compete in this league. But they’re not at the moment. This isn’t down to technical ability.

Please don’t tell me it’s down to quality of player.

When have they shown they can compete in this league under Puel?, MoPe?, Hughes or Ralph? Four managers and still the same ****ty performances from the players.

 

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[RedWillie]

Call out the owner. Ralphs got a mediocre squad at best. He should stay and wr should back him. We cant keep changing the manager after a poor run.

Who, why, what does our owner want with our club,? That seems the issue but he wont talk to anyone

[CB Fry]

Carlos Carvalhal.

[ooh it's a corner]

It isn't the time to change the manager.

 

However, the manager can come in for some stick. Our honeymoon period with him is over and after the time he has had at the club, he should understand the best starting eleven. He doesn't and that is a worry.

 

Equally, he seems capable of alienating the better players at the club, rather than managing them.

 

It isn't working very well at the minute, but changing Ralph for A.N.Other would be poor.

 

The senior players need to tell him that they cannot cope with playing 15 formations per game and can they settle for one..

[shurlock]

Players and owner.

 

RH was dismayed at how slowly we turned defence into attack... Dithering in midfield. That's the players not following or not being capable of following his instructions.

 

Give Armstrong a go.

 

8 games... 4 vs top 4....still don't know our best team.

 

Stressful supporting the saints.

 

Fans out

 

In other words, we weren’t hoofing it enough.

[S-Clarke]

Ahhh why is this even a topic.

 

Look at the squad that started, same team that struggled. He has not been backed to be honest, he must be royally ****ed. I would be. He could do so much more if he had decent owners to support him, but alas he's come to us at a time when we're owned by an absolute charlatan.

[doddisalegend]

In other words, we weren’t hoofing it enough.

We would have struggled to hoof it much more. I spent most of the game watching endless aimless punts up to no one in particular by the lads in red and white.

 

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[Fitzhugh Fella]

And replace him with who?

 

I must admit I am losing the faith a little but we must stick with him until at least the season's end. The departure of Rohl lies behind this slump I reckon. Ralph looks like a lonely figure on the touchline, something is not right.

[Patrick Bateman]

Anyone saying get rid is a c**t.

[Whitey Grandad]

This just simply isn't true.

 

We have the worst defensive players in the entire league. These guys are ALL making critical errors every single game. Positionally they're appalling too. There is a reason Yoshida has been benched by every manager we have had since he arrived - Yoshida is now our best CB! This group of CBs in particular are the worst I've seen for quite some time.

Too many defensive changes, every game it’s different players in a different formation.

[Dalek2003]

TBH, there is more chance that he walks than is sacked and I wouldn't blame him.

 

He has not had the financial backing he was probably promised.

[davefoggy]

Anyone saying get rid is a c**t.

 

why? worse win ratio than Puel

[Saint Billy]

Keep him. Fans said rest Adams. Fans said drop Vestergaard.Fans said play the back 4 we had today. It is not an easy job and he doesn’t have a lot of quality to work with but also look where Everton currently are, and some here wanted us to be like them. There is still a long way to go. I think he will sort it.

 

Agree.

[pimpin4rizeal]

This just simply isn't true.

 

We have the worst defensive players in the entire league. These guys are ALL making critical errors every single game. Positionally they're appalling too. There is a reason Yoshida has been benched by every manager we have had since he arrived - Yoshida is now our best CB! This group of CBs in particular are the worst I've seen for quite some time.

 

Well the whole fan base could see our defence was poor last season, so why has Ralph not made it a priority to sign a decent cb in the summer ? Instead he brings in danso who he now doesn’t see fit to start over the absolute dross we have in defence and only gives him the occasional weird out of position games !

[Nordic Saint]

Well the whole fan base could see our defence was poor last season, so why has Ralph not made it a priority to sign a decent cb in the summer ? Instead he brings in danso who he now doesn’t see fit to start over the absolute dross we have in defence and only gives him the occasional weird out of position games !

 

Les Reed explained many times how recruitment works at the club and I doubt that his young protégé Ross Wilson would have changed that system. It's not like it used to be, where the manager tells the owner, I want you to sign this player. Instead, all the manager can do is tell the head of recruitment which position he wants filled. The HOR then offers him the names of a few players the club have scouted and can afford who play in that position and the manager then has the option to approve one of them. When Paul Mitchell was the HOR, the system worked well but now it doesn't seem to.

[skintsaint]

Fickle fans, a few games ago we had the chance to hit 3rd. Lets see where we are at Xmas, thats normally the culling season.

[pimpin4rizeal]

Les Reed explained many times how recruitment works at the club and I doubt that his young protégé Ross Wilson would have changed that system. It's not like it used to be, where the manager tells the owner, I want you to sign this player. Instead, all the manager can do is tell the head of recruitment which position he wants filled. The HOR then offers him the names of a few players the club have scouted and can afford who play in that position and the manager then has the option to approve one of them. When Paul Mitchell was the HOR, the system worked well but now it doesn't seem to.

 

Could be this but then when you look at koemans reign when he was bringing in the likes of pelle tadic, Clasie martina elia etc suggests he was stamping a lot of his own authority with the transfers.. danso does kinda look like a Ralph signing with the Austrian bundesliga connection.. but I find it weird that after approving this signing he’s not seen fit to walk into this lame defence .. I’d have been absolutely kicking recruitments door down for a centre back if I was rh

[Katalinic]

why? worse win ratio than Puel

 

A far worse squad than Puel had. Get some perspective.

[rooney]

Keep the Manager but change the players. Sadly too late to do this with any speed and finance now.

[Saint-Reece]

On a different scale, but it is a similar issue to United, doesn't matter how many managers we have, the same issues are arising - which suggests it is an issue with the players, be it quality or their application. What the club need is a mass clear out of players who simply are not good enough for this level, which we saw in the summer is easier said than done with some of the horrifically long and expensive contracts they are on (thanks Les).

 

Back the manager, yes he makes some strange decisions but we are not going to get any better than him. The issue lies with having a squad full of players who simply are not good enough or consistent enough for this level, prime examples being Hojbjerg, JWP, Long, Vestergaard and even Gunn recently.

[saint michael]

Pointless changing the manager. Nothing will change until ownership changes.

 

You can’t fund a premier league club off of purely the operational turnover as we are trying to do unless you are unearthing transfer gems every time buying cheap and selling big. A few failures as we have had in transfer market has killed this approach which was unlikely to work anyway. Somebody in the board hierarchy needs to recognise this very quickly or club will continue this slide.

 

Ralph makes some strange decisions but probably trying every combination in the hope something positive can happen.

 

Roller coaster ride to continue.

[Saint Billy]

Pointless changing the manager. Nothing will change until ownership changes.

 

You can’t fund a premier league club off of purely the operational turnover as we are trying to do unless you are unearthing transfer gems every time buying cheap and selling big. A few failures as we have had in transfer market has killed this approach which was unlikely to work anyway. Somebody in the board hierarchy needs to recognise this very quickly or club will continue this slide.

 

Ralph makes some strange decisions but probably trying every combination in the hope something positive can happen.

 

Roller coaster ride to continue.

 

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