Big Ron fan Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 The ressies lost 2-1 at that powerhouse Millwall today. Saints included 7 outfield players who've played for the first team this year, some of them (e.g. Lancashire, Gillett) on a fair few occasions. Further proof perhaps that most of our first team are not even decent reserve players? Or perhaps it's that Wotte is as clueless as Jan. Views?
saint_ed Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Our reserve team of last year is now our first team. Our reserves team this year is the first team from the local park last season.
Huffton Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Or perhaps it's that Wotte is as clueless as Jan. Think thats the sound of hammer hitting nail squarely on head
VectisSaint Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Think thats the sound of hammer hitting nail squarely on head Agreed, the Dutch duo are bereft of tactical ability. But what the heck we play an exciting brand of football that will make us the envy of every club up and down the country.
Give it to Ron Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 TBF the main issue is size we have a very small squad in physique - I watched Millwall reserves at Staplewood and they are very big and physical. We do not have a big centre forward left at the club - Lancashire doesnt cope with great big lumps up front. We do not have the personnel to play the 4-5-1 or so called 4-3-3 system but the Dutch dream team still haven't realised it yet. We do have some good youngsters but their being thrown to the lions in the first team before they are ready has destroyed a lot of their belief. Since Webster left its been very noticeable how poor our goalkeepers have become. KD apart Bart and Forecast have been shocking and I see Bart threw one in the net today.
AussieDog Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Doom....gloom...moan...moan FFS don't you guys have a cat you can kick instead? It was a poxy reserve game - have any of you even checked the "league table" for the reserves?? (last time I checked we were top). Get a grip!!
saint-ross Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Since Webster left its been very noticeable how poor our goalkeepers have become. KD apart Bart and Forecast have been shocking and I see Bart threw one in the net today. Mate are you having a giraffe?
Saints67 Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Possibly Millwall had the game played on a rutted pitch to inhibit Saints passing play? A dubious penalty and a handling error from the keeper all, it would seem, contributed to the defeat. These things happen.
Give it to Ron Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Mate are you having a giraffe? Why have you seen either of them play lately? Reserve game last week Forecast was very dodgey and Bart has been very shakey in the couple of games I have seen him play in the reserves. If you are saying Webster wasn't a good coach then I think Wright and KD improvement under him prove otherwise.
The Godfather Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Yes but two nil down then we get a goal back through Mclaggon whose playing as the loan striker, sounds familiar.
ottery st mary Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 It is a worry...policy of only one up front again....No pressure at the back for Milwall. Our big guns playing Pulis, Gasmi, Wotton and Gillet. Yet we were bullied by a young and more robust side....Something not right with coaching, training and strategy/tactics.
buctootim Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Anyway, top of the ressies table, ahead of Reading, QPR etc. Please dont let that stop anyone having a pop at the club because they dared to lose a match by a single goal.
ottery st mary Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 buccy baby, nice to see your still going strong.
Saints67 Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Anyway, top of the ressies table, ahead of Reading, QPR etc. Please dont let that stop anyone having a pop at the club because they dared to lose a match by a single goal. A RESERVE match!
buctootim Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 A RESERVE match! What did you expect to find on a thread about the reserves?
ottery st mary Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 (edited) Only a Reserve match..shiver me old timbers....the boys done good. Edited 21 January, 2009 by ottery st mary spelling as usual copy too many other posters
Saints67 Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 What did you expect to find on a thread about the reserves? Er I was actually trying to emphasis your point about a bit of hysteria about losing a match by stressing it was only a reserve match to boot. Ah well I'll go back to lurking.
ottery st mary Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 I too will go back to lurking...Feeling terribly bullied. I have tried to help the coaches of the first and now the RESERVE team and what thanks do I get.
buctootim Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Er I was actually trying to emphasis your point about a bit of hysteria about losing a match by stressing it was only a reserve match to boot. Ah well I'll go back to lurking. I know the first team arent doing well and were in the doodoo. There are lots of things which arent going well and fans have every right to peed off about - but the reserves performance isnt one of them. I think the more interesting question is why are the reserves at the top of the table and the first team near the bottom? What is making our resrves better than Readings, even tho the first team is miles behind them?
Big Ron fan Posted 21 January, 2009 Author Posted 21 January, 2009 (edited) I know the first team arent doing well and were in the doodoo. There are lots of things which arent going well and fans have every right to peed off about - but the reserves performance isnt one of them. I think the more interesting question is why are the reserves at the top of the table and the first team near the bottom? What is making our resrves better than Readings, even tho the first team is miles behind them? I wouldn't get too excited about the fact that the reserves are top of a league that includes the likes of Aldershot and Lewes! Surely you'd expect a team with so many of the first-team squad playing in it to stuff most sides, if they have any real pretensions to first-team quality? My original point still stands. Is it really that they are not terribly good players, or are they just, with this Dutch 'philosophy', being badly organised/managed, even at reserve level? Edited 21 January, 2009 by Big Ron fan
a1ex2001 Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Do we actually have any strikers left at reserve team level? I'm struggling to pick one out in that line up!
buctootim Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 I wouldn't get too excited about the fact that the reserves are top of a league that includes the likes of Aldershot and Lewes! Surely you'd expect a team with so many of the first-team squad playing in it to stuff most sides, if they have any real pretensions to first-team quality? My original point still stands. Is it really that they are not terribly good players, or are they just, with this Dutch 'philosophy', being badly organised/managed, even at reserve level? You would expect them to stuff Lewes and Aldershot - but not Reading, QPR, Crystal Palace, which they've also been doing. IMO opinion they are performing better than the first team. Is Wotte a better manager coach than JP?
ottery st mary Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 You would expect them to stuff Lewes and Aldershot - but not Reading, QPR, Crystal Palace, which they've also been doing. IMO opinion they are performing better than the first team. Is Wotte a better manager coach than JP? No, the RESERVES have Pulis and Gasmi running the show....First team lacks this sort of talent....Mind you the Reserves woul;d like to see the back of them as well.
Plumstead_Saint Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 You would expect them to stuff Lewes and Aldershot - but not Reading, QPR, Crystal Palace, which they've also been doing. IMO opinion they are performing better than the first team. Is Wotte a better manager coach than JP? Rather foolish to take reserve games too seriously IMO. Firstly we now play a random bunch of teams that live near us, rather than being a league based on achievement, as it used to be. Secondly, depending on injuries to 1st team players, strength of academies and other random factors, the reserve team for any club might have 7 or 8 'name' 1st team regulars, or it might have none on any particular week. It's all too random and meaningless for me - but I'll still cheer if we win the league
LGTL Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Has anyone else noticed that we are continually "unlucky" in reserve and first team games. Some times I would love one of them to come out and say "We were awful, and I kept them in for an hour after the game for a bollocking" or words to that effect. It's like JP and Wotte are the boysh mates rather than managers.
Ponty Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 The ressies lost 2-1 at that powerhouse Millwall today. Saints included 7 outfield players who've played for the first team this year, some of them (e.g. Lancashire, Gillett) on a fair few occasions. Further proof perhaps that most of our first team are not even decent reserve players? Or perhaps it's that Wotte is as clueless as Jan. Views? My view is that the reserves are top of the league and therefore your post, well the title at least, is mostly crap.
saint-ross Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Why have you seen either of them play lately? Reserve game last week Forecast was very dodgey and Bart has been very shakey in the couple of games I have seen him play in the reserves. If you are saying Webster wasn't a good coach then I think Wright and KD improvement under him prove otherwise. Yes, i'd agree about Bart, not seen Forecast tbh. But it seemed to me as if KD's form has improved greatly since Webster has left. He's at the top of his game right now, no doubt about it.
SaintRobbie Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 I sort of feel good when the reserves lose... the reason is that it probably means that we are experimenting or easing off to avoid injury. I pay no attention to what the reserves do to be honest.
Give it to Ron Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Yes, i'd agree about Bart, not seen Forecast tbh. But it seemed to me as if KD's form has improved greatly since Webster has left. He's at the top of his game right now, no doubt about it. Thats why I put KD apart!
Calvin Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 oh...and I WAS joking about the cat..... That wasn't the smartest things to say. Cat abuse will happen from now on because of your post about kicking cats about!!!!!!!11111
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 I would have thought our ex Millwall reserve Ryan Smith would have played?????
KMondo Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Don't have any statistics on it, but from (admitted dodgy) memory, it usually seems to be the case that when the reserves are top of the table, the first team are shyte. They always seemed to be winning the reserve leagues back in the Branfoot era.
KMondo Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 I would have thought our ex Millwall reserve Ryan Smith would have played????? No, he is first-team material.
SaintRobbie Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 I sort of feel good when the reserves lose... the reason is that it probably means that we are experimenting or easing off to avoid injury. I pay no attention to what the reserves do to be honest. ...although having said that it might of course expose Wotte as being ****e too... still reserves matter not in the great scheme.
VectisSaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 My view is that the reserves are top of the league and therefore your post, well the title at least, is mostly crap. So when the two teams below us have played their 2 and 3 games in hand respectively will his post still be mostly crap. is finishing 3rd in a league of 10 that includes Lewes really acceptable? The results of reserve matches only don't matter when we lose. Winning consistently breeds a winning mentality at whatever level. This was a strong reserve side agains a Division 3 reserve side, we should have won, but we didn't because the pitch was a bit bumpy.
Big Ron fan Posted 21 January, 2009 Author Posted 21 January, 2009 So when the two teams below us have played their 2 and 3 games in hand respectively will his post still be mostly crap. is finishing 3rd in a league of 10 that includes Lewes really acceptable? The results of reserve matches only don't matter when we lose. Winning consistently breeds a winning mentality at whatever level. This was a strong reserve side agains a Division 3 reserve side, we should have won, but we didn't because the pitch was a bit bumpy. Thanks. You've expressed very ably the sort of points I was trying to make.
Ponty Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 So when the two teams below us have played their 2 and 3 games in hand respectively will his post still be mostly crap. is finishing 3rd in a league of 10 that includes Lewes really acceptable? The results of reserve matches only don't matter when we lose. Winning consistently breeds a winning mentality at whatever level. This was a strong reserve side agains a Division 3 reserve side, we should have won, but we didn't because the pitch was a bit bumpy. I didn't realise I was supposed to take in possible future results. In context, and in the here and now, we're at the top of the league.
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