farawaysaint Posted 30 May, 2022 Share Posted 30 May, 2022 (edited) You know what? I've had a change of heart. I am now going to vote for Boris for his glorious idea of returning the imperial system, it's the right thing to do lads. Edited 30 May, 2022 by farawaysaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 30 May, 2022 Share Posted 30 May, 2022 1 hour ago, farawaysaint said: You know what? I've had a change of heart. I am now going to vote for Boris for his glorious idea of returning the imperial system, it's the right thing to do lads. Bring back the Groat ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 30 May, 2022 Share Posted 30 May, 2022 Bring back Pounds, shillings and pence. Before this decimalisation rubbish Britain had an empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 30 May, 2022 Share Posted 30 May, 2022 NO No bartering is sooooo much better. We do it all the time in West Dorset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 30 May, 2022 Share Posted 30 May, 2022 13 minutes ago, rooney said: NO No bartering is sooooo much better. We do it all the time in West Dorset. 1 wife = 2 sheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 30 May, 2022 Share Posted 30 May, 2022 34 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: 1 wife = 2 sheep He said Dorset, not West Wales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 30 May, 2022 Share Posted 30 May, 2022 2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: He said Dorset, not West Wales. 3 sheep then ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 30 May, 2022 Share Posted 30 May, 2022 4 hours ago, badgerx16 said: 3 sheep then ? 1 Sheep tied to a lamp post = Leisure Centre in West Wales!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 30 May, 2022 Share Posted 30 May, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: 1 Sheep tied to a lamp post = Leisure Centre in West Wales!! What's the most used chat up line in Burnley ? "Baaa ?". Edited 30 May, 2022 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 On 30/05/2022 at 02:30, badgerx16 said: Brexit is a scheme to take us back to the 50's, ( alternatively - to "level up" the entire country with the Isle of Wight ), this is merely a step in that journey. Do keep up, Badger. Down here on the South Island we made it to the 1970s week’s ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 On 27/05/2022 at 07:57, badgerx16 said: In any large group of people there will be the odd "wrong un". It is how they are dealt with that shows the character of the group leadership. The Tories have an extremely poor record of acting in such cases, and in the world of semantic scoring, ( where the COVID fine score is currently 125-0 ), this would make it something like 10-1. Is it? The police do not publish 'who' has been fined, so where are you getting the figures that 125 'Tory's' have received fines? We know Mrs Johnson has received one and she is not a member of the Government. How many of the 125 were given to civil service workers who are politically impartial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 May, 2022 Author Share Posted 31 May, 2022 49 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Is it? The police do not publish 'who' has been fined, so where are you getting the figures that 125 'Tory's' have received fines? We know Mrs Johnson has received one and she is not a member of the Government. How many of the 125 were given to civil service workers who are politically impartial? This just in: Prime Minister definitely not accountable for the performance and behaviour of his central management/strategy/delivery unit who just happen to be based at his place of residence. Also just in: Boris done the vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 3 minutes ago, CB Fry said: This just in: Prime Minister definitely not accountable for the performance and behaviour of his central management/strategy/delivery unit who just happen to be based at his place of residence. Also just in: Boris done the vaccine. You can look at that structure as being a bit like a football club. Manager: Boris Johnson Coaches: Advisors Players: MP's Therefore the important question we need answering is whether any of the advisors lost their jobs over this and if so did Boris Johnson turn up at the meeting with HR to tell them they were sacked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Corbyn Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 So it looks pretty likely there will be a VONC in the next couple of weeks. Anyone's guess which way it will go, I assume several Tories are hatching plans as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 19 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said: So it looks pretty likely there will be a VONC in the next couple of weeks. Anyone's guess which way it will go, I assume several Tories are hatching plans as we speak. It all depends on whether there is unified support for an electable replacement surely? The candidate being touted is Jeremy Hunt. If I was a Tory MP I wouldn't no confidence Johnson for Hunt. I'd wait for someone better to emerge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Corbyn Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 7 minutes ago, buctootim said: It all depends on whether there is unified support for an electable replacement surely? The candidate being touted is Jeremy Hunt. If I was a Tory MP I wouldn't no confidence Johnson for Hunt. I'd wait for someone better to emerge. Quite. The fact people like Leadsome have turned on him suggests to me that there must be an alternative lined up. The main limiting factor is if the Tories already consider the next election a likely loss, it might put off potential candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 Dr Shipman is doing a really bad job but it will take ages to find a decent replacement GP, so the only logical course of action is to let him continue. Said no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said: Quite. The fact people like Leadsome have turned on him suggests to me that there must be an alternative lined up. The main limiting factor is if the Tories already consider the next election a likely loss, it might put off potential candidates. It's hard to see who could unify the party which is so fundamentally split along numerous faultlines. Essentially it's a fight of populism v one nation Tories manifested by Brexit, lack of honesty and spending money we havent got. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, rallyboy said: Dr Shipman is doing a really bad job but it will take ages to find a decent replacement GP, so the only logical course of action is to let him continue. Said no one. That analogy doesnt work. It's about tactics for a race which doesnt take place for two years. Better to get the best runner rather than an also ran now just because he's marginally better than the current lame competitor. Edited 31 May, 2022 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 Just now, buctootim said: That analogy doesnt work. It's about tactics for a race which doesnt take place for two years. Better to get the best runner in later than an also ran now just because he's marginally better than the lame competitor you have now. This specific issue is not about a race - this is about honesty, integrity and the ability to do a job. If MPs are really concerned about the report findings, delaying until a decent candidate emerges is not a factor - change is needed now, for country and party. Some MPs care about honesty, the rest need to do a better job of pretending they do. Delaying change for selfish reasons is so Boris it would demonstrate that nothing has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 1 hour ago, rallyboy said: Dr Shipman is doing a really bad job but it will take ages to find a decent replacement GP, so the only logical course of action is to let him continue. Said no one. Reduced pension expenditure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 What a mess on this thread - the Tory Party doesn’t want to move on from party gate let alone anyone else. Not hard to understand when MP are getting swamped with correspondence from angry constituents. Also, the plan to freeze civil service fast track is barmy, the best service efficiencies will come from bringing in the latest digital skills from new graduates in quantitative disciplines. The headcount issue is largely the fault of Brexit and JRM is as responsible for anyone. Even Boris or Nadine Dorries are struggling to sell crazy distractions like imperial measures or privatising Channel 4 which at best might stop Chope or Conor Burns writing a letter to Brady and the 1922. Even fossils like Baker can see through it and can see his job disappearing in about 2 years as well as MP. If and when the vote is called, it’s having a viable alternative. Jeremy Hunt would be a vast improvement but been part of badly failing Tory governments as one of the few with a brain for a long time, might help shore up SE seats like Steve Baker’s but that’s pretty much the Red Wall red again and SW England yellow. And I’m not sure he’d get enough votes to topple the exploded haystack. Also a remainer and would be governing a party where the majority are Brexit ‘swivel eyed loons’ foaming at the mouth after the 2019 purge. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/may/31/government-travel-demand-covid-boris-johnson-conservatives-uk-politics-latest 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 (edited) If Johnson goes there could be one hell of a fight for the leadership. The swivels such as Baker and Davis have been very vocal in their dislike of Johnson. Like Duckie, they see him as a pinko and will want to replace him with a "true Tory". On the other side there are the pinkos. The likes of Ellwood and Tugenhadt who have often seemed not to fit in a Johnson government. They are probably far too sensible for the Conservative party membership's seal of approval. Hunt has been rejected once by the Tories and maybe damaged goods now. Interestingly the "diving wardrobe" Pompey Penny is shortish odds (8/1) with the bookies to become the next leader. As a Brexiteer who doesn't seem to be a swivel could she be the compromise choice? Edited 31 May, 2022 by Tamesaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 Jeremy Hunt currently favourite at 6/1 and Liz Truss second favourite at 33/5. Good grief! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Tamesaint said: If Johnson goes there could be one hell of a fight for the leadership. The swivels such as Baker and Davis have been very vocal in their dislike of Johnson. Like Duckie, they see him as a pinko and will want to replace him with a "true Tory". On the other side there are the pinkos. The likes of Ellwood and Tugenhadt who have often seemed not to fit in a Johnson government. They are probably far too sensible for the Conservative party membership's seal of approval. Hunt has been rejected once by the Tories and maybe damaged goods now. Interestingly the "diving wardrobe" Pompey Penny is shortish odds (8/1) with the bookies to become the next leader. As a Brexiteer who doesn't seem to be a swivel could she be the compromise choice? Their fundamental problem is that the candidates who will appeal to the Tory members arent the same as those who will appeal to the floating voters in the political middle. Since Tory members get to choose between the final two (irrc) and will choose the most unelectable the MPs need to serve up two credible compromise candidates they agree on. Looks hard enough to find one. Edited 31 May, 2022 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 Give the job to Mad Nad and put Diane Abbot in as leader of the opposition and PMQ's will be riveting viewing!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Left Back Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 While getting rid of Johnson would be very satisfying and long overdue, it wouldn't change the real challenges we face. Climate, trade, the Union, rising inequality, police, health service all need urgent attention, fresh. thinking and above all, leadership. None of the numpties being mentioned are capable of that. So the best we can hope for is that this tory-shambles precipitates a general election, at which either a new force emerges or an alliance off the centre-left stands together to bring about some long overdue change. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, sadoldgit said: Jeremy Hunt currently favourite at 6/1 and Liz Truss second favourite at 33/5. Good grief! Calling @Matthew Le God to the 'Nasty Tories' thread to explain that odds don't necessarily correlate to likelihood Edited 31 May, 2022 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 10 minutes ago, trousers said: Calling @Matthew Le God to the 'Nasty Tories' thread to explain that odds don't necessarily correlate to likelihood No need for me, when I have trained you so well to act as one of my minions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 3 June, 2022 Share Posted 3 June, 2022 Booed outside St Paul's today. You'd have thought the crowd would be full of Royals who would at worst be ambivalent towards him but no, he got a bit of a Claude Puel reception in the last few home games of his time at Saints. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 3 June, 2022 Share Posted 3 June, 2022 (edited) ... Edited 3 June, 2022 by badgerx16 wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 4 June, 2022 Share Posted 4 June, 2022 14 hours ago, The Cat said: Booed outside St Paul's today. You'd have thought the crowd would be full of Royals who would at worst be ambivalent towards him but no, he got a bit of a Claude Puel reception in the last few home games of his time at Saints. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 4 June, 2022 Share Posted 4 June, 2022 Looks like deporting illegals is quite popular......The great Joe Biden is doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 4 June, 2022 Share Posted 4 June, 2022 On 31/05/2022 at 11:13, Jeremy Corbyn said: Quite. The fact people like Leadsome have turned on him suggests to me that there must be an alternative lined up. The main limiting factor is if the Tories already consider the next election a likely loss, it might put off potential candidates. I don't think Leadsome 'turning' is a big deal, there's history between the two when they both ran for the leadership last time, and she has always been over ambitious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 5 June, 2022 Share Posted 5 June, 2022 What the fuck is he talking about? Nothing to do with cuts but feckless public sector workers fucking off at 3pm and all being sick. Cut the bastards more so they can up their game and work as hard as the Saintsweb shining lights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 5 June, 2022 Share Posted 5 June, 2022 Nah, I'm still not seeing a guy who lost even an hour of sleep over depriving the most vulnerable when they were desperate for help. I see a ruthlessly ambitious multi-millionaire who wouldn't think twice about murdering his own granny if it would get him into no.10, and who has parroted some of the maddest shit in defence of the fucking over the NHS. Hunt by name... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 5 June, 2022 Share Posted 5 June, 2022 Hunt was hated last time he was in government. He's like an injured Saints player who gets better through absence. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Corbyn Posted 6 June, 2022 Share Posted 6 June, 2022 Hunt would be one of the few Tory options that would make Starmer look jazzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 6 June, 2022 Share Posted 6 June, 2022 Starmer does not need to look “jazzy.” He just needs to be competent and be a half decent, functional PM who does the right things for the majority of the country. We have seen what all charisma and no substance has done. We have seen what Tory values have done over the last decade plus. I couldn’t give a stuff about image. It is time for substance. There is zero substance in the Tory party. They have long been a spent force. The fact that not one of the cabinet members is any better than Johnson and that Hunt was a standing joke before tells you all you need to know about them. Johnson has not only been useless for the country, he has shafted his own party too. We desperately need change. We do not need another dose of an empty, self important puppet who thinks it’s all a game and something he can use as vessel for his own vanity. All Starmer has to do is not be a twat and get the country back on its feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 6 June, 2022 Share Posted 6 June, 2022 26 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Starmer does not need to look “jazzy.” He just needs to be competent and be a half decent, functional PM who does the right things for the majority of the country. We have seen what all charisma and no substance has done. We have seen what Tory values have done over the last decade plus. I couldn’t give a stuff about image. It is time for substance. There is zero substance in the Tory party. They have long been a spent force. The fact that not one of the cabinet members is any better than Johnson and that Hunt was a standing joke before tells you all you need to know about them. Johnson has not only been useless for the country, he has shafted his own party too. We desperately need change. We do not need another dose of an empty, self important puppet who thinks it’s all a game and something he can use as vessel for his own vanity. All Starmer has to do is not be a twat and get the country back on its feet. He has to avoid a COVID fine first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 6 June, 2022 Share Posted 6 June, 2022 Vote of Confidence today !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 June, 2022 Author Share Posted 6 June, 2022 Downing Street have approved the question: "Do you not agree that you do have confidence that the Prime Minister does not have your confidence to not continue or not?" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 June, 2022 Share Posted 6 June, 2022 From Jesse Norman a previous supporter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 6 June, 2022 Share Posted 6 June, 2022 10 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: Hunt was hated last time he was in government. He's like an injured Saints player who gets better through absence. I was kind of thinking of Matt Oakley around 2004/5 but that would be doing MO a grave injustice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 6 June, 2022 Share Posted 6 June, 2022 (edited) Why the vote of no confidence? I thought that Johnson was playing a blinder. 😁 Edited 6 June, 2022 by Tamesaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 June, 2022 Share Posted 6 June, 2022 Toast - the Jesse Norman letter/attack was superb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 6 June, 2022 Share Posted 6 June, 2022 Second page of the Jesse Norman letter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 June, 2022 Share Posted 6 June, 2022 2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Second page of the Jesse Norman letter Gets better - true hatchet job 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 6 June, 2022 Share Posted 6 June, 2022 (edited) Nice to see all the Tory front benchers announcing their support for Boris ahead of a secret ballot Edited 6 June, 2022 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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