The United Kingdom and the Death of Boris Johnson as we know it.

[warsash saint]

14 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I vote for whoever benefits me and my family. I could not care less what party they belong to/represent 

I have voted Liberal, SDP, Labour, UKIP and Tory. Depending on the election, candidate and who would be PM.

 

You vote for who the Daily Mail tells you!!

[mickn]

32 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I vote for whoever benefits me and my family. I could not care less what party they belong to/represent 

I have voted Liberal, SDP, Labour, UKIP and Tory. Depending on the election, candidate and who would be PM.

 

I always remember years ago as Delldays you telling us all your family were Labour and then when the vile witch Thatcher let you buy your council house in Millbrook you all became Tories.

[AlexLaw76]

24 minutes ago, mickn said:

I always remember years ago as Delldays you telling us all your family were Labour and then when the vile witch Thatcher let you buy your council house in Millbrook you all became Tories.

No idea what you are on about?

[The Kraken]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I said he was a shit PM and I would rather the Tory Party remain in power than the those who cover up child molesters, race baiter’s and who can’t describe what a woman is.

 

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I vote for whoever benefits me and my family. I could not care less what party they belong to/represent 

I have voted Liberal, SDP, Labour, UKIP and Tory. Depending on the election, candidate and who would be PM.

Not sure I can tally these two posts.

On one hand you say that you always only ever vote for whoever benefits you and your family. But if the Labour Party would be demonstrably better for you and your family, you wouldn’t vote for them because they cover up child molesters, they’re race baiters, and they don’t know what a woman is.

[Turkish]

41 minutes ago, mickn said:

I always remember years ago as Delldays you telling us all your family were Labour and then when the vile witch Thatcher let you buy your council house in Millbrook you all became Tories.

which proves his point that he votes for who benefits his family most. In any case you are talking about someone else, there is no similarity between Alex and Dull Days whatsoever. I dont know why anyone would think they were the same person.

[igsey]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I vote for whoever benefits me and my family. I could not care less what party they belong to/represent 

I have voted Liberal, SDP, Labour, UKIP and Tory. Depending on the election, candidate and who would be PM.

 

If there were a general election tomorrow, who would you vote for?

[aintforever]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I vote for whoever benefits me and my family.  

 

That figures. I vote for who I think would benefit the country most.

[Turkish]

13 minutes ago, aintforever said:

That figures. I vote for who I think would benefit the country most.

 

Thats just remind me, how is it going giving parts of your salary away to help others with the cost of living crisis?

Edited 26 May, 2022 by Turkish

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I said he was a shit PM and I would rather the Tory Party remain in power than the those who cover up child molesters, race baiter’s and who can’t describe what a woman is.

just my opinion. 
 

other than that, you are full of Boris/Tory derangement syndrome. Thankfully, people like you - who would vote Labour if it was donkey as the candidate - are on the verge of extinction.

Sorry Batman but as usual you haven’t got a clue what you are talking about. For someone who says he has met me (despite not being able to say where and when) and who has exchanged many posts over the years as Delldays and then Batman, you don’t take much in. I have said a number of times that I voted Tory back in the 70’s then LibDem until Clegg fucked it up and handed power to your bunch. I have voted Labour twice in my life, in the last two elections, because that is the best way of getting your lot out. In all 3 incarnations on here you display the same tendencies. Here’s a tip. Next time you get banned and think up a new persona for your 4th reincarnation, try to be different to Delldays/Batman/Alex. 
Like Johnson the rest of his enablers, you are totally selfish and self centred. It is all about you and what is best for you, the rest of us can go to the dogs for all you care. Sadly you are not alone which is why Johnson still has a job. I think you will find that people like me are in the majority. Most people, according to the current polls, want him gone. Most people in this country don’t vote for your ideals.

[Turkish]

anyone got anything positive to say about the cost of living package? is it the just the bloody tories looking after their own again?

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, Turkish said:

anyone got anything positive to say about the cost of living package? is it the just the bloody tories looking after their own again?

It isn't means tested, so the Duke of Westminster gets his share as well as you; they don't know how much the ( not ) Windfall Tax wil raise because of the investment rebate, and the affected industries are bleating that it is unfair; the 'tax cut' NI reduction that is due is only partially reducing last year's NI rise. One good thing is that the previously announced 'loan' rebate intended for the autumn is now not going to need to be repaid.

Then again, all money paid out has to be recovered later in some or other form.

Edited 26 May, 2022 by badgerx16

[Sheaf Saint]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

anyone got anything positive to say about the cost of living package? is it the just the bloody tories looking after their own again?

You mean the big announcement that they have finally, and reluctantly, caved in to what Labour have been pressing for for months but the Tories kept saying was a terrible idea and would be counter productive?

Starmer's first question at PMQs yesterday was about a windfall tax on energy companies and Johnson immediately ridiculed him for it, saying it was just typical of Labour to want to raise taxes.

Today's announcement is quite a spectacular u-turn. I wonder what it is they want to distract the hard of thinking from 🤔

[warsash saint]

Great response from Rachel Reeves to Rishi's u-turn!

Edited 26 May, 2022 by warsash saint

[Winnersaint]

50 minutes ago, Turkish said:

anyone got anything positive to say about the cost of living package? is it the just the bloody tories looking after their own again?

Nah!

 

[Turkish]

32 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

You mean the big announcement that they have finally, and reluctantly, caved in to what Labour have been pressing for for months but the Tories kept saying was a terrible idea and would be counter productive?

Starmer's first question at PMQs yesterday was about a windfall tax on energy companies and Johnson immediately ridiculed him for it, saying it was just typical of Labour to want to raise taxes.

Today's announcement is quite a spectacular u-turn. I wonder what it is they want to distract the hard of thinking from 🤔

Glad it was all because of labour. So when there is bad news it's all the fault of the bloody tories, when there is good news it's all inspite of the bloody tories

[badgerx16]

30 minutes ago, warsash saint said:

Great response from Rachel Reeves to Rishi's u-turn!

Read it here

https://labourlist.org/2022/05/rachel-reeves-on-rishi-sunaks-windfall-tax-u-turn-we-lead-they-follow/

Edited 26 May, 2022 by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

Something to add to the COVID Relief fraud figures, 25% of Universal Credit claims are fraudulent or have been overpaid - over £5bn lost in the last financial year.

[Lord Duckhunter]

46 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

 

Then again, all money paid out has to be recovered later in some or other form.

Correct, which makes it really strange that you lefties and Tory Pinkos think throwing money around is always the answer. 
 

[The Kraken]

Wont somebody think of the poor energy companies who are being taxed on their record profits earns in a time of national crisis.

At least those energy companies have been given right of way through this levy-not-a-tax to get future tax relief on their pillaging of Britains fossil fuels for decades to come.

[badgerx16]

19 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Correct, which makes it really strange that you lefties and Tory Pinkos think throwing money around is always the answer. 
 

Redistribution is not "throwing money around", excessive Government borrowing is.

[Winnersaint]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Correct, which makes it really strange that you lefties and Tory Pinkos think throwing money around is always the answer. 
 

Hmmm! You almost make 'lefty' sound like an insult.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Winnersaint said:

Hmmm! You almost make 'lefty' sound like an insult.

I take it as a badge of honour and mark of principle.

[buctootim]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Correct, which makes it really strange that you lefties and Tory Pinkos think throwing money around is always the answer. 
 

Yuo posted something similar a couple of years ago and in response I posted up a slew of stats showing that every Tory administration since WW2 had left behind more public debt and a bigger budger deficit than they inherited - a much worse perfomance than Labour.   

[Tamesaint]

8 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I said he was a shit PM and I would rather the Tory Party remain in power than the those who cover up child molesters, race baiter’s and who can’t describe what a woman is.

just my opinion. 
 

 

So you vote Conservative on what sounds like moral grounds. I think you are a little confused. 

You prefer to vote for a party led by a serial adulterer. A party which has to contest 2 by elections because one of its MP s is now serving time for sexually assaulting a child and another one was addicted to watching porn. A party which has had to suspend one of its MPs due to sexual assault. A party which has told one of its MPs not to turn up to Parliament as he has been arrested for rape. You prefer to vote for a party where 3 cabinet ministers have been accused of sexual assault. 

Blimey. You do have a strange thought process.

 

[Weston Super Saint]

Unlike the squeaky clean opposition who have zero convicts on their bench....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-61591802

Quote

An MP has lost an appeal against her conviction for harassing a woman who was having a sexual relationship with her then partner.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, buctootim said:

Yuo posted something similar a couple of years ago and in response I posted up a slew of stats showing that every Tory administration since WW2 had left behind more public debt and a bigger budger deficit than they inherited - a much worse perfomance than Labour.   

You seem to be under the impression I’m a Tory. I voted for Boris to get Brexit done, admire the great lady, but can’t remember voting for any other Tory. I certainly didn’t vote for Johnny Major, & voted for Nigel above “call me Dave” .
 

As Peter Hitchens says, the biggest obstacle to conservatism in this country is The Conservative Party. With a few honourable exceptions, they’re basically Lib Dems/New Labour. Parliament is a big blob of pinko Social Democrats drunk on spending our cash. 

[badgerx16]

43 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Unlike the squeaky clean opposition who have zero convicts on their bench....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-61591802

 

".....who represents her constituency as an independent after being expelled from Labour"

 

Nice try though.

[whelk]

Govt and all businesses know that money needs to be distributed for them to make money. More wealth generated by having a windfall tax dispersed into benefits for poor who will no doubt spend 100% of it with other businesses.  Conversely the average Shell shareholder will not. 
Quite amusing how the thick Tories posters love a credit card analogy with no grasp of macro economics.  For economies and societies to flourish they need almost everyone to have a stake in it and have some spending power. Handouts have multiplier effect so the “hey that is my money” is mostly a bs argument. 
 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

".....who represents her constituency as an independent after being expelled from Labour"

 

Nice try though.

Oh dear, I thought it would be Tamesaint that fell for the obvious.

I used the word 'opposition' rather than 'Labour MP' - although we all know that she only achieved her position because she was representing the Labour party, the fact that she has the morals of an alley cat and clung on to her seat is neither here nor there.

Would you say that an 'independent' would or would not be in 'opposition' to the sitting government?  Or are you suggesting that there really is only one opposition and that the Lib dems, SNP, DUP, Sinn Fein, Plaid Cymru, SDLP, Alba, Greens and various independents are not in opposition to the Government.  We know Boris won a stonking majority, but I'm pretty sure those guys would be pissed as fuck to be included in it.....

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Govt and all businesses know that money needs to be distributed for them to make money. More wealth generated by having a windfall tax dispersed into benefits for poor who will no doubt spend 100% of it with other businesses.  Conversely the average Shell shareholder will not. 
Quite amusing how the thick Tories posters love a credit card analogy with no grasp of macro economics.  For economies and societies to flourish they need almost everyone to have a stake in it and have some spending power. Handouts have multiplier effect so the “hey that is my money” is mostly a bs argument. 
 

I was discussing taxation with my 17 year old daughter at dinner last night.  Quite amusing to see her grasping the reality of quite how much of the money she earns disappears into the coffers through taxes.  As she so eloquently remarked 'this is the kind of useful stuff that they should be teaching in schools'!

[badgerx16]

20 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Oh dear, I thought it would be Tamesaint that fell for the obvious.

I used the word 'opposition' rather than 'Labour MP' - although we all know that she only achieved her position because she was representing the Labour party, the fact that she has the morals of an alley cat and clung on to her seat is neither here nor there.

Would you say that an 'independent' would or would not be in 'opposition' to the sitting government?  Or are you suggesting that there really is only one opposition and that the Lib dems, SNP, DUP, Sinn Fein, Plaid Cymru, SDLP, Alba, Greens and various independents are not in opposition to the Government.  We know Boris won a stonking majority, but I'm pretty sure those guys would be pissed as fuck to be included in it.....

Who is the "Leader of the Opposition", and what party does he lead ?

[Tamesaint]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Who is the "Leader of the Opposition", and what party does he lead ?

 

2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Oh dear, I thought it would be Tamesaint that fell for the obvious.

I used the word 'opposition' rather than 'Labour MP' - although we all know that she only achieved her position because she was representing the Labour party, the fact that she has the morals of an alley cat and clung on to her seat is neither here nor there.

Would you say that an 'independent' would or would not be in 'opposition' to the sitting government?  Or are you suggesting that there really is only one opposition and that the Lib dems, SNP, DUP, Sinn Fein, Plaid Cymru, SDLP, Alba, Greens and various independents are not in opposition to the Government.  We know Boris won a stonking majority, but I'm pretty sure those guys would be pissed as fuck to be included in it.....

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Stop waffling. Just admit that you made a mistake and move on. It's not as if it would be the first mistake you have made on this forum. 😁

 

[Weston Super Saint]

10 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Who is the "Leader of the Opposition", and what party does he lead ?

Ah, I see, you want to play semantics.

Was she 'expelled' from the Labour party before or after she was convicted? 

Is it safer to accept that there are 'wrong'uns' on both sides of the chamber?

[Weston Super Saint]

8 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

 

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Stop waffling. Just admit that you made a mistake and move on. It's not as if it would be the first mistake you have made on this forum. 😁

 

If only.

[badgerx16]

49 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Ah, I see, you want to play semantics.

Was she 'expelled' from the Labour party before or after she was convicted? 

Is it safer to accept that there are 'wrong'uns' on both sides of the chamber?

In any large group of people there will be the odd "wrong un". It is how they are dealt with that shows the character of the group leadership. The Tories have an extremely poor record of acting in such cases, and in the world of semantic scoring, ( where the COVID fine score is currently 125-0 ), this would make it something like 10-1.

[The Cat]

Interesting in that he's my MP and no doubt a few others on here too.

 

 

 

[warsash saint]

Boris Johnson changes ministerial code to remove need to resign over breaches | Boris Johnson | The Guardian

 

So now the fat scruffy law breaker is changing the ministerial code so he does have to resign - what a cunt!

Surely major action is now needed to remove him !

 

[Sheaf Saint]

27 minutes ago, warsash saint said:

Boris Johnson changes ministerial code to remove need to resign over breaches | Boris Johnson | The Guardian

 

So now the fat scruffy law breaker is changing the ministerial code so he does have to resign - what a cunt!

Surely major action is now needed to remove him !

 

"Johnson has also rewritten the foreword to the code, removing all references to honesty, integrity, transparency and accountability"

There it is. The true character of the man laid bare for all to see. He thinks he should be exempt from the rules so he's changing them to save his own worthless skin. 

The ministerial code should not be something a sitting PM has the right to alter as they see fit. The fact that Johnson thinks it's fine to do that after he has been caught breaching it tells you everything you need to know about him.

[rallyboy]

I thought this was a Twitter joke earlier....

He is now actually rewriting our legal systems to protect himself and has now made it very difficult to stop dodgy MPs of all parties.

Surely this is enough for anyone now - even if you love Boris you have to admit that you can't have people at the top, from any party, who are above the law?

That creates a corrupt dictatorship, and we used to be better than that....

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, rallyboy said:

I thought this was a Twitter joke earlier....

He is now actually rewriting our legal systems to protect himself and has now made it very difficult to stop dodgy MPs of all parties.

Surely this is enough for anyone now - even if you love Boris you have to admit that you can't have people at the top, from any party, who are above the law?

That creates a corrupt dictatorship, and we used to be better than that....

'dictatorship'? lol

As I have mentioned many times before.  We re-elected a government/PM that lied to the world, and killed 10,000s in the middle east.  That was no problem and he is now a Sir.

Cake, Curry or what ever we get excited about is just gutter-ponotmine that we have for politicians.  

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

'dictatorship'? lol

As I have mentioned many times before.  We re-elected a government/PM that lied to the world, and killed 10,000s in the middle east.  That was no problem and he is now a Sir.

Cake, Curry or what ever we get excited about is just gutter-ponotmine that we have for politicians.  

You have really lost the plot Batman.

Why do you continue to try and minimise what is going on with Johnson at the moment by dragging in shit from the past?

You did this as Delldays. You did it as Batman. You are doing it again. Blair is long gone. Our current PM is Boris Johnson. He is a fucking nightmare. He is the here and now and a bigger issue than Blair.

He is currently taking the piss out of our Democratic system. Perhaps you should ask yourself why this isn’t a bigger issue for you than anything Blair did years ago.

This has fuck all to do with cake or curry. If you don’t understand that you really are not very bright.

 

 

[AlexLaw76]

9 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

You have really lost the plot Batman.

Why do you continue to try and minimise what is going on with Johnson at the moment by dragging in shit from the past?

You did this as Delldays. You did it as Batman. You are doing it again. Blair is long gone. Our current PM is Boris Johnson. He is a fucking nightmare. He is the here and now and a bigger issue than Blair.

He is currently taking the piss out of our Democratic system. Perhaps you should ask yourself why this isn’t a bigger issue for you than anything Blair did years ago.

This has fuck all to do with cake or curry. If you don’t understand that you really are not very bright.

 

 

Very angry very old man

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Very angry very old man

SOG is a "very angry old man", on the Russia thread Whelk is a "very angry young man". Try looking in the mirror.

[whelk]

17 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

SOG is a "very angry old man", on the Russia thread Whelk is a "very angry young man". Try looking in the mirror.

Tony Blair grrrr. Saints are always shit. Russia big and strong. Trump is my hero. Public servants are lazy. Whinge whinge whinge. Liverpool are great.  Oh and I am a selfish cowardly cunt. Who am I?

[Fan The Flames]

5 minutes ago, whelk said:

Tony Blair grrrr. Saints are always shit. Russia big and strong. Trump is my hero. Public servants are lazy. Whinge whinge whinge. Liverpool are great.  Oh and I am a selfish cowardly cunt. Who am I?

Alan Carr aka Chatty Man?

[Fan The Flames]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/johnson-ken-clarke-elected-dictatorship-b1964326.html

Radical hard left project fear socialist.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Very angry very old man

At least I have never been banned from an Internet forum or come on pretending to be someone I am not. Little wonder you side with Johnson. You share many of his traits.

As for “very angry,” no, just deeply frustrated that there are still people in this country who think that it is perfectly ok that Johnson remains as PM and that we are being governed by a bunch of total incompetents. 

I am not sure about using “very old” as a pejorative term. If you are fortunate enough one day you will be “very old.” Probably best to hope that there is no WW3 and you are called up to feed a submarine crew though. At least I will just be sat in an underground bunker regaling all those bored enough to listen with tales about strange characters on an Internet forum.

 

 

[Fan The Flames]

On 26/05/2022 at 18:06, Weston Super Saint said:

Unlike the squeaky clean opposition who have zero convicts on their bench....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-61591802

 

School boy error Weston

[Plastic]

Can’t imagine how anyone could still have an ounce of respect for this leader. 
It would be good to see someone offer some justification, but instead we get hollow retorts like ‘angry old man’.

it’s a trollish diversion and a waste of everybody’s time.
 

Debate - don’t ‘name call’.

[Fan The Flames]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

At least I have never been banned from an Internet forum or come on pretending to be someone I am not. Little wonder you side with Johnson. You share many of his traits.

As for “very angry,” no, just deeply frustrated that there are still people in this country who think that it is perfectly ok that Johnson remains as PM and that we are being governed by a bunch of total incompetents. 

I am not sure about using “very old” as a pejorative term. If you are fortunate enough one day you will be “very old.” Probably best to hope that there is no WW3 and you are called up to feed a submarine crew though. At least I will just be sat in an underground bunker regaling all those bored enough to listen with tales about strange characters on an Internet forum.

The thing is people don't really agree with the behaviour, they would be all over it if it was the other way around. But they can excuse their political heros on either side anything.

I am shocked that so many are enthralled by a privileged wide boy Etonian who serves to better the lives of the richer end of the population. But for many it's not what they stand for but what they stand against is important, Johnson and the cabinet are anti EU (some it's a marriage of convenience only), anti woke and not Labour. And that's enough.

You won't get many on the orher side to see it your way on an internet forum, you can only hope this shit sinks in and has some affect at the ballot box.