The United Kingdom and the Death of Boris Johnson as we know it.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Why on earth is it going to take up to a year to conclude their investigations by the Met? Sue Gray has done most of the work for them. It’s hardly a murder investigation. Just mostly checking facts which shouldn’t take that long. They didn’t take a year to hand out fixed penalties to all the other who broke the lockdown laws.

As for yesterday, if that wasn’t enough to finally bury this imbecile, what is? He has moved past being a national embarrassment and surely even the thickest gammons can see that the Tories are toast electorally if they keep him.

Apart from making himself look even more inept, if yesterday did one thing it finally buried the bollocks some right wingers keep peddling about Starmer being responsible for not prosecuting Savile.

What an indictment of our archaic system that someone gets thrown out of the chamber for calling out a liar who has just, for the umpteenth time, lied in the chamber (where lying to Parliament is supposed to be a resigning offence).

Now we have the prospect of Johnson and Truss dealing with Putin over the Ukraine situation. Dear God.

I am not sure what is worse, waking up again to see this lying charlatan still lording it up as PM, the pathetic enablers they wheel out to support him still or the vox pop interviewees they manage to find who still support him. If this is what Britain post Brexit has become, it can f**k right off.

Such a shame any decent point you may have made is laced with racism, bitterness and abuse 

[Tamesaint]

14 hours ago, whelk said:

To back up what you are saying Kraken

i saw her on Sky and she was car crash there as well

 

 

That is why Private Eye calls her "Mad Nad"

Edited 1 February, 2022 by Tamesaint

[buctootim]

18 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

That is why Private Eye calls her "Mad Nad"

She used to act as an Ambassador for a charity I worked for. We briefed her on what was quite a simple straightforward issue so that she could advocate to the minister. We then got angry calls from the ministers office because she had been calling him out for not implementing a medical advancement that hadn’t even been discovered yet. She couldn’t even grasp the charity was about finding the cure not implementing the cure 

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Shame, although the right thing to do, that the Southend By election this week wasn’t contested by Labour and Lib Dems. 

Don't put it past the cheeky gits to claim the win as a sign that the public have moved on and still support the government's agenda etc.

[buctootim]

3 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Don't put it past the cheeky gits to claim the win as a sign that the public have moved on and still support the government's agenda etc.

I read that as ‘Cheeky Girls’ initially. Was temporarily confused 

[whelk]

Heard the ‘no magic money tree’ line trotted out first time in a while for the NI hike. 

These shrewd commercially savvy Tories don’t half know how to spunk your money. Again imagine the frothing if this was Starmer’s govt?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/01/department-of-health-writes-off-9bn-spent-in-uk-covid-ppe-drive

[whelk]

6 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Don't put it past the cheeky gits to claim the win as a sign that the public have moved on and still support the government's agenda etc.

The twat will no doubt be desperate to give an oh so funny sound bite from Ukraine to deflect. He is getting on with the things that matter blah blah blah. He was largely viewed as a complete clown when Foreign Secretary and would be interesting to know how the Kremlin views him knowing he has no real grasp of issues.

[buctootim]

19 minutes ago, whelk said:

The twat will no doubt be desperate to give an oh so funny sound bite from Ukraine to deflect. He is getting on with the things that matter blah blah blah. He was largely viewed as a complete clown when Foreign Secretary and would be interesting to know how the Kremlin views him knowing he has no real grasp of issues.

They've been taking the piss out of him all day. Under the heel of his young wife.  TV station NTV said he was "the most disliked, disrespected and ridiculed character in Britain" Apparently Russian media is more accurate than portrayed. 

 

Edited 1 February, 2022 by buctootim

[igsey]

So the Tories made a £8.7bn loss on Covid PPE (https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1488494435679838209?s=20&t=BY63O9CQ5gb2y2nl0sxWcA) (read: £8.7bn funnelled into the pockets of their mates/siblings/spouses) and Sunak, soon to be The Least Popular Tory, has simply hand-waved away £4.3bn of fraud from the Covid payment schemes (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/treasury-writes-off-4-3bn-in-covid-payments-lost-to-fraud-dfkxt5fr7). Total: £12bn

Fortuitously, the 10% increase in NI is projected to raise: £12bn! How convenient. With the Brucey Bonus that increasing NI has a much more significant effect on those earning £50k or less.

Shall we call this NI increase the Corruption Tax as it nicely covers the money spaffed away by the Tories, for the Tories?

[badgerx16]

Is there anybody who voted for them willing to come on here and defend them ?

[spyinthesky]

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Is there anybody who voted for them willing to come on here and defend them ?

Despite being a Remainer, I voted Tory in the last election as I didnt fancy Jezza and his gang being in power and thought Boris and his mates would be the least worst option.

However Boris and more or less all of his Cabinet, as well as some other odious right wingers, have far exceeded my concern of them collectively working in the best interest of the country.

I am not sure who I would vote for when the next election comes round,

 

[moonraker]

17 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Is there anybody who voted for them willing to come on here and defend them ?

Sadly there are still those who will do this, tough I have noticed a trend especially when interviewed by the media that they request anonymity.  The majority of the brave gammonarty now hide less they expose themselves for the fools they have been taken for.

[igsey]

1 hour ago, spyinthesky said:

Despite being a Remainer, I voted Tory in the last election as I didnt fancy Jezza and his gang being in power and thought Boris and his mates would be the least worst option.

However Boris and more or less all of his Cabinet, as well as some other odious right wingers, have far exceeded my concern of them collectively working in the best interest of the country.

I am not sure who I would vote for when the next election comes round,

 

Out of interest - if you'd known then what you know now, how do you think you would have voted in 2019?

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Is there anybody who voted for them willing to come on here and defend them ?

Nobody ever likes to admit that they were conned.

On this matter my conscience is clear

[Sheaf Saint]

10 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Nobody ever likes to admit that they were conned.

On this matter my conscience is clear

[CB Fry]

Drip, drip, drip, drip.

 

[The Kraken]

[Tamesaint]

2 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

Despite being a Remainer, I voted Tory in the last election as I didnt fancy Jezza and his gang being in power and thought Boris and his mates would be the least worst option.

However Boris and more or less all of his Cabinet, as well as some other odious right wingers, have far exceeded my concern of them collectively working in the best interest of the country.

I am not sure who I would vote for when the next election comes round,

 

Johnson has now become a national joke. Ant and Dec cottoned onto this several weeks ago.  At the cricket recently people drinking beer were holding up signs saying "this is a work event. " Sales of Boris masks must have gone through the roof recently. Csnadians that I speak to cannot understand how he is still PM. He is Britain's Trump.

People normally don't vote for national jokes. I don't think that they will at the next election whenever it comes ... but the fat lying c**t has a way of defying political gravity.

 

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[badgerx16]

21 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

People normally don't vote for national jokes. I don't think that they will at the next election whenever it comes ... but the fat lying c**t has a way of defying political gravity.

 

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He was never going to be Tory leader at the next election.

[spyinthesky]

11 hours ago, igsey said:

Out of interest - if you'd known then what you know now, how do you think you would have voted in 2019?

Good question.
I have friends in the Diplomatic service who reckoned Boris was one of the worst Foreign Secretaries ever but despite this I assumed he would be brought to heel by more sensible people at the top of the Tory party.
Bearing in mind I live in a constituency that is true blue, my vote for anyone other than a Tory MP would not have made any difference.
That said I did not vote Tory in a recent local election as a form of protest against Boris and his mates and this was before the revelations about Partygate.

[Tamesaint]

Conservative MP Mark Jenkinson reckons that breaking Covid rules is like parking on a double yellow line! Jesus wept!

I would ask "where do the Conservatives find these people to become MPs" but in his case it is apparent. UKIP. The MP in question founded his local UKIP branch and was their candidate in 2015.

The UKIP infiltration of the Tory party is doing the Conservative brand no favours.  Hopefully one day it will be readdressed. Jenkinson represents Workington so with a bit of luck this will be a red wall seat that changes MP at the next opportunity. 

 

[buctootim]

51 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Conservative MP Mark Jenkinson reckons that breaking Covid rules is like parking on a double yellow line! Jesus wept!

I would ask "where do the Conservatives find these people to become MPs" but in his case it is apparent. UKIP. The MP in question founded his local UKIP branch and was their candidate in 2015.

The UKIP infiltration of the Tory party is doing the Conservative brand no favours.  Hopefully one day it will be readdressed. Jenkinson represents Workington so with a bit of luck this will be a red wall seat that changes MP at the next opportunity. 

 

Exactly. IMO there isn't inertia amongst Tory MPs over Johnson its more of a battle over the soul of the party.

The Tories are almost equally split. On one side the right wing headbangers who might attract 25% of the electorate but arent electable under FPTP - essentially the right wing equivalent of Corbyn. On the other the traditional one nation MPs and redwallers. They both want rid of Johnson but have very different views over who should take his place and both worry they aren't strong enough to guarantee their side wins. Its almost a Mexican standoff 

 

Edit. I see Tobias Ellwood has declared he is sending in a letter. Have long thought Ellwood should be leading the party. 

Edited 2 February, 2022 by buctootim

[buctootim]

 

[buctootim]

 

 

I wonder if the Red Wall MPs have seen that quote. 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

27 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Exactly. IMO there isn't inertia amongst Tory MPs over Johnson its more of a battle over the soul of the party.

The Tories are almost equally split. On one side the right wing headbangers who might attract 25% of the electorate but arent electable under FPTP - essentially the right wing equivalent of Corbyn. On the other the traditional one nation MPs and redwallers. They both want rid of Johnson but have very different views over who should take his place and both worry they aren't strong enough to guarantee their side wins. Its almost a Mexican standoff 

 

Edit. I see Tobias Ellwood has declared he is sending in a letter. Have long thought Ellwood should be leading the party. 

Ellwood would be significantly better than the current clown, I just wonder if the party as a whole would vote for someone so moderate and remainery as him at this moment.  Certainly will make for a fascinating leadership contest if he does go.

[badgerx16]

The annoying thing about PMQs is that they are to busy blustering and dick waving to actually challenge each other's points. Starmer must have known that Boris would come up with the "fastest growth" in the G7 line, how easy to throw it back at him by giving the fact that whilst in pure percentage terms the line is accurate, just, but by coming from the lowest point of all G7 economies our actual rate of growth in real terms is no better than 5th overall.

[CB Fry]

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The annoying thing about PMQs is that they are to busy blustering and dick waving to actually challenge each other's points. Starmer must have known that Boris would come up with the "fastest growth" in the G7 line, how easy to throw it back at him by giving the fact that whilst in pure percentage terms the line is accurate, just, but by coming from the lowest point of all G7 economies our actual rate of growth in real terms is no better than 5th overall.

"Labour just talking down our country again".  That's why its not really worth correcting: the attack lines on low growth, high taxes were far more effective.

[Sheaf Saint]

So let me just get this straight...

On Monday Ian Blackford states an established truth that Johnson misled the house, refuses to back down and gets ejected.

Today at PMQs, Johnson refuses to withdraw/apologise for his earlier slur against Starmer which has been established as untrue - no consequences whatsoever.

What a joke.

[aintforever]

5 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

So let me just get this straight...

On Monday Ian Blackford states an established truth that Johnson misled the house, refuses to back down and gets ejected.

Today at PMQs, Johnson refuses to withdraw/apologise for his earlier slur against Starmer which has been established as untrue - no consequences whatsoever.

What a joke.

It is mental.

You are supposed to not be allowed to lie in Parliament yet if you point out the fact that someone has lied you get kicked out. So the only way Blackford could stay in the house would be to lie and say Bozo was telling the truth.

[Sheaf Saint]

6 minutes ago, aintforever said:

It is mental.

You are supposed to not be allowed to lie in Parliament yet if you point out the fact that someone has lied you get kicked out. So the only way Blackford could stay in the house would be to lie and say Bozo was telling the truth.

Exactly. If you're going to have a "no lying" rule then you can't also have a rule preventing people from calling out lies. It's ridiculous.

[buctootim]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

So let me just get this straight...

On Monday Ian Blackford states an established truth that Johnson misled the house, refuses to back down and gets ejected.

Today at PMQs, Johnson refuses to withdraw/apologise for his earlier slur against Starmer which has been established as untrue - no consequences whatsoever.

What a joke.

Fortunately I think its got to the point where bty behaving like that he is digging his own grave.  

[redkeith]

If I was Blackford, I would keep one of those small car fire extinguishers in my pocket, and the next time Bojo lies to Parliament, he should just walk across the aisle, spray Johnsons trousers with it and say " sorry, I thought the right Honourable Members pants were on fire !" 

He should get away with it, as fire extinguisher didn't exist when the parliamentary  code was last update by Pitt the toddler, or whoever it was. 

 

[whelk]

I saw an exchange between Johnson and Elwood when chairing a defence committee. Beggars believe how anyone can conclude he is anything but hopeless. Don’t know too much about Elwood but seems decent for a Tory. God I even like Teresa May now. 
 

[whelk]

4 hours ago, CB Fry said:

"Labour just talking down our country again".  That's why its not really worth correcting: the attack lines on low growth, high taxes were far more effective.

I actually hate Johnson the most when he is scowling when attacked in Parliament  - shows the real nasty bullying side of him not the dumb twat side he likes to play up. His retorts are always the same as you say

[ecuk268]

Meanwhile our esteemed Foreign Secretary has been demonstrating her knowledge of geography be referring to "our Baltic allies across the Black Sea".

[buctootim]

19 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Meanwhile our esteemed Foreign Secretary has been demonstrating her knowledge of geography be referring to "our Baltic allies across the Black Sea".

You'd have thought 'Baltic' might have been a clue for her, but no  

Edited 2 February, 2022 by buctootim

[badgerx16]

21 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Meanwhile our esteemed Foreign Secretary has been demonstrating her knowledge of geography be referring to "our Baltic allies across the Black Sea".

A Russian spokeswoman said "If someone needs to be saved from something, then it is the world from the stupidity and ignorance of Anglo-Saxon politicians."

[saint1977]

7 hours ago, buctootim said:

 

 

I wonder if the Red Wall MPs have seen that quote. 

The ones apart from Bell and others who were brownosing him on Monday at PMQs should be ashamed. Then again, Portsmouth North has elected and the increased the majority of Penny the wardrobe (programme Splash for those of you who missed the Pompey Takeover Thread) despite this more recent set of comments from Boris https://www.politics.co.uk/news/2007/04/04/boris-portsmouth-full-of-drugs-and-obesity/

Seemingly Portsmouth South has a bit more self pride.

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

The ones apart from Bell and others who were brownosing him on Monday at PMQs should be ashamed. Then again, Portsmouth North has elected and the increased the majority of Penny the wardrobe (programme Splash for those of you who missed the Pompey Takeover Thread) despite this more recent set of comments from Boris https://www.politics.co.uk/news/2007/04/04/boris-portsmouth-full-of-drugs-and-obesity/

Seemingly Portsmouth South has a bit more self pride.

But that article also includes; "The Oxford educated old-Etonian also courted controversy by seemingly criticising the standards at Portsmouth University. He wrote: “Poor bedraggled students splash across the campus in search of their lectures on feminism and media studies.” "

 

Now, who might we have on here that attended that establishment ?

[Tamesaint]

5 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

But that article also includes; "The Oxford educated old-Etonian also courted controversy by seemingly criticising the standards at Portsmouth University. He wrote: “Poor bedraggled students splash across the campus in search of their lectures on feminism and media studies.” "

 

Now, who might we have on here that attended that establishment ?

I am sure that our friend on here didn't study feminism and media studies. More like " how to make poisons."

[saint1977]

17 hours ago, whelk said:

I actually hate Johnson the most when he is scowling when attacked in Parliament  - shows the real nasty bullying side of him not the dumb twat side he likes to play up. His retorts are always the same as you say

If he keeps on recycling the lie about Starmer and Savile the Tories are really going come unstuck https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-jimmy-savile-s-close-friendship-with-margaret-thatcher-8432351.html

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/savile-victims-boris-johnson-weaponise-suffering

They had their own issues not dealing with Peter Morrison https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/inquiry-child-sexual-abuse-peter-morrison-paedophile-tory-mp-thatcher-mi5-westminster-police-penchant-small-boys-a8818151.html

Even his own party believe it to be tacky as well as completely untrue

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10467399/Tories-demand-Boris-withdraws-Jimmy-Savile-slur-Keir-Starmer.html 

 

[whelk]

6 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

If he keeps on recycling the lie about Starmer and Savile the Tories are really going come unstuck https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-jimmy-savile-s-close-friendship-with-margaret-thatcher-8432351.html

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/savile-victims-boris-johnson-weaponise-suffering

They had their own issues not dealing with Peter Morrison https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/inquiry-child-sexual-abuse-peter-morrison-paedophile-tory-mp-thatcher-mi5-westminster-police-penchant-small-boys-a8818151.html

Even his own party believe it to be tacky as well as completely untrue

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10467399/Tories-demand-Boris-withdraws-Jimmy-Savile-slur-Keir-Starmer.html 

 

Whilst they appear to be following the Trump populist playbook that will work on some the British electorate are largely more discerning and doesn’t play out here so well so widely. 
Cost of living going to massively impact wellbeing and associated goodwill towards incumbent govt. 

Even the energy rise whilst obviously linked to price of gas there are still political decisions that can be made. The less well off are not going to be won over with nebulous levelling up initiatives  when they can see so clearly how less well off they are and then all the issues over trust of Johnson that he is an entitled c**t who clearly doesn’t give a shit about you.

[whelk]

Bookies don’t rate his chances

 

[whelk]

And we mustn’t call the Brexit voters gullible. Think of all that extra money in your pocket!

 

[Turkish]

57 minutes ago, whelk said:

Bookies don’t rate his chances

 

We need MLG on the thread to give you a lesson in bookmaking.

[whelk]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

We need MLG on the thread to give you a lesson in bookmaking.

That will be interesting as used to work in the industry

[Turkish]

43 minutes ago, whelk said:

That will be interesting as used to work in the industry

It was eye opening, let me tell you.

[Lord Duckhunter]

On 02/02/2022 at 12:22, buctootim said:

I see Tobias Ellwood has declared he is sending in a letter. Have long thought Ellwood should be leading the party. 

The person people who will never vote Tory want to be Tory leader. I work in his constituency, he’s basically a Lib Dem with a military background who loves publicly, bit like rory Stewart really. What ever happened to him? 
 

 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

We need MLG on the thread to give you a lesson in bookmaking.

Before that someone needs to teach MLG how it works.

[buctootim]

29 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The person people who will never vote Tory want to be Tory leader. I work in his constituency, he’s basically a Lib Dem with a military background who loves publicly, bit like rory Stewart really. What ever happened to him? 
 

 

That's true. I'm basically centre so he fits me well. He wouldn't stand anyway, he knows he has no chance.  

Arguably a Tory leader like him would attract more centrist voters like me than the number of right wingers who would defect to whatever the Ex kippers are called this week. 

Edited 3 February, 2022 by buctootim