The United Kingdom and the Death of Boris Johnson as we know it.

[Fan The Flames]

45 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

It was, but also read somewhere that their boundary was the north and south circular... No idea if the latest scheme is within those...

Still, you can kill as many people as you like with your 4x4 emission, just got to pay £15 for the thrill of it.

Possibly the N&S circular roads were the extent of Shapps demand, who knows. Now the tories see opposing it as beneficial, we will never know the truth.

As it's part of the bail out settlement Shapps has made it as much about revenue raising as it is about pollution reduction.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Fan The Flames said:

Possibly the N&S circular roads were the extent of Shapps demand, who knows. Now the tories see opposing it as beneficial, we will never know the truth.

As it's part of the bail out settlement Shapps has made it as much about revenue raising as it is about pollution reduction.

Bless that you think it is anything other than a revenue raising mechanism 

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

He clearly didn’t bother to to read the article properly, or if he did then perhaps he had the same mindset as Braverman. As stated, this man is not a threat to society and his one misdemeanour concerns a drug a lot milder and more widespread than that used by a number of MPs (Michael Gove being one). It is also below the threshold of non readmittance. Braverman (and Turkish it would appear) are trying to tell us that this man is akin to Pablo Escobar 🙄. Nasty, nasty people with a deeply unpleasant agenda. Who separates a parent from their child under such flimsy circumstances?

someone that wants to keep a lot of other people safe from convicted drug dealers perhaps?

[SotonianWill]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

He clearly didn’t bother to to read the article properly, or if he did then perhaps he had the same mindset as Braverman. As stated, this man is not a threat to society and his one misdemeanour concerns a drug a lot milder and more widespread than that used by a number of MPs (Michael Gove being one). It is also below the threshold of non readmittance. Braverman (and Turkish it would appear) are trying to tell us that this man is akin to Pablo Escobar 🙄. Nasty, nasty people with a deeply unpleasant agenda. Who separates a parent from their child under such flimsy circumstances?

There’s a big difference in the law between taking and supplying drugs. Just because a case is less serious than another dosent mean he shouldn’t be treated as a criminal, which he was. 

[badgerx16]

24 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

There’s a big difference in the law between taking and supplying drugs. Just because a case is less serious than another dosent mean he shouldn’t be treated as a criminal, which he was. 

The Law says that the threshold for automatic refusal of entry is to have received a 12 months sentence, which he did not get, so this was an extraordinary personal intervention by the Home Secretary, who has failed to give any justification for her decision.

But it does help her image in certain parts of the media.

Edited 26 July, 2023 by badgerx16
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[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Bless that you think it is anything other than a revenue raising mechanism 

Bless that you are pretending not to understand that London, London’s traffic and London’s air pollution don’t just begin and end at the North & South Circular roads - unless I have missed the building of a giant dome a la Springfield over the inner London boroughs?

47 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

There’s a big difference in the law between taking and supplying drugs. Just because a case is less serious than another dosent mean he shouldn’t be treated as a criminal, which he was. 

Like the previous poster, you need to reread the full article from The Guardian. You have completely missed the point.

Edited 26 July, 2023 by sadoldgit
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[rallyboy]

He's a criminal - he was wearing a loud shirt in a built up area after dark, and in possession of an offensive wife.

A neutral might suggest that Suella's unusual intervention in this minor case is purely to arouse the right, not to make the UK safer.

If so, it's worked.

 

[buctootim]

4 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

A neutral might suggest that Suella's unusual intervention in this minor case is purely to arouse the right, not to make the UK safer.

Does JaJa Binks arouse many people?  

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Does JaJa Binks arouse many people?  

He arouses a response from me, along the lines of "What the fuck have you done to Star Wars ?".

[whelk]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

The Law says that the threshold for automatic refusal of entry is to have received a 12 months sentence, which he did not get, so this was an extraordinary personal intervention by the Home Secretary, who has failed to give any justification for her decision.

But it does help her image in certain parts of the media.

And be the darling of the Saintsweb gammon. 

[Fan The Flames]

Someone at the Beeb has said that Braverman is waiting for Dame Alison Rose to go abroad, so she can ban her from coming back in for fuckin with Farage.

[sadoldgit]

You would think that the Home Secretary would have more important things to worry about given the rise in knife crime, the state of the Met and the lack of progress in stopping the small boats. 
What’s the betting though that she keeps her job in Sunak’s next reshuffle.

Edited 26 July, 2023 by sadoldgit

[moonraker]

22 hours ago, The Kraken said:

This is something that has actually been designed and tested by Border Force and the RN.

Correct, however the purpose was to stop high speed suicide / autonomous boats and nothing to do with refugees and asylum seekers boats.

[badgerx16]

14 minutes ago, moonraker said:

Correct, however the purpose was to stop high speed suicide / autonomous boats and nothing to do with refugees and asylum seekers boats.

Simply re-inventing/re-purposing anti torpedo nets, which navies around the World started using before WW1, whether strung on outriggers from the side of warships or floating from bouys and booms across harbour entrances.

[egg]

5 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

The Law says that the threshold for automatic refusal of entry is to have received a 12 months sentence, which he did not get, so this was an extraordinary personal intervention by the Home Secretary, who has failed to give any justification for her decision.

But it does help her image in certain parts of the media.

I suspect this man has been given the justification. I'm not sure that it's necessary that it's explained publicly. If he doesn't like her decision and/or reasoning, he can judicially review it. Personally, it feels an odd decision though. 

[badgerx16]

This is not a condemnation of any political party but of the "system" as a whole.

As with the case of the man who spent 17 years in prison for a rape he did not commit; if you are wrongly imprisoned but eventually get your conviction quashed, you can apply, quite rightly, for compensation. However, the Prison Service will petition for that money to be reduced as they will claim a share for 'board and lodgings'.

[moonraker]

20 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Simply re-inventing/re-purposing anti torpedo nets, which navies around the World started using before WW1, whether strung on outriggers from the side of warships or floating from bouys and booms across harbour entrances.

Bit more high tech, especially the deployment system.

[Turkish]

On 26/07/2023 at 17:46, sadoldgit said:

You would think that the Home Secretary would have more important things to worry about given the rise in knife crime, the state of the Met and the lack of progress in stopping the small boats. 
What’s the betting though that she keeps her job in Sunak’s next reshuffle.

 

[sadoldgit]

Suella Braverman is now trying to drag Starmer into the blame game over demonstration at one of the Prime Minister’s homes because Labour have taken money from Just Stop Oil. Seriously Suella? More pathetic attempts at deflection. As Home Secretary perhaps you need to take some responsibility for the appalling lapse in security there?

[Weston Super Saint]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66440335

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Italy has passed a one-off 40% tax on the profits banks earn from higher interest rates, in a shock move that has seen shares plummet.

Seems like a cracking move and not sure why we aren't doing it.  The message is clear, pass the interest rises on to savers or get taxed to fuck on the profiteering.

Should do similar with the energy suppliers as well.

[Fan The Flames]

Wrong thread

Edited 11 August, 2023 by Fan The Flames

[Weston Super Saint]

No mention of food banks for months now, do they close down for summer holidays?

[badgerx16]

19 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

No mention of food banks for months now, do they close down for summer holidays?

The press can only manage one cause celebre at a time, and currently it is migrants in boats.

[badgerx16]

Finally, Mad Nad has found the exit;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66630308

 

"Nadine Dorries has resigned from the Commons, more than two months after pledging to go "with immediate effect".

She launched a blistering attack on Rishi Sunak in her resignation statement, telling the prime minister "history will not judge you kindly"."

Edited 26 August, 2023 by badgerx16

[rallyboy]

Braverman is absolutely fucking bonkers.

She's denying basic maths by persistently claiming 20,000 extra police officers when the real figure is 3,000, she's obsessed with pleasing thick racists by using mad soundbite phrases like lefty lawyers and woke as she tries to conjure up some imaginary enemy we can all blame, she has stated that opposition political parties support criminal gangs and now she seems to think that all firefighters are hardcore political activists acting against her.

She's wrong on most things, she's grossly incompetent, she's wasted hundreds of millions of pounds on madcap stunts, she couldn't run a bath, she's dangerous and she's a fucking lunatic.

It's not a good mix and it's an appalling public image for the UK.

Fareham, sort it out.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

13 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

She's wrong on most things, she's grossly incompetent, she's wasted hundreds of millions of pounds on madcap stunts, she couldn't run a bath, she's dangerous and she's a fucking lunatic.

So, next PM then? 🙂

[Gloucester Saint]

10 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Braverman is absolutely fucking bonkers.

She's denying basic maths by persistently claiming 20,000 extra police officers when the real figure is 3,000, she's obsessed with pleasing thick racists by using mad soundbite phrases like lefty lawyers and woke as she tries to conjure up some imaginary enemy we can all blame, she has stated that opposition political parties support criminal gangs and now she seems to think that all firefighters are hardcore political activists acting against her.

She's wrong on most things, she's grossly incompetent, she's wasted hundreds of millions of pounds on madcap stunts, she couldn't run a bath, she's dangerous and she's a fucking lunatic.

It's not a good mix and it's an appalling public image for the UK.

Fareham, sort it out.

Suella outclassed, outwitted and humiliated on Sky News this morning https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/editors-picks and then taken apart by Richard Madeley after that https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1806675/Richard-Madeley-Suella-Braverman-clash

A lot of rumours she is being sacked next week and too much smoke for her not to be fired  - although some reservations about how much shit she’ll fling from her backbench cage egged on by the loony ERG and swivel-eyed shire membership. Good - every soundbite from her is worth 10 extra seats to Labour or the Lib Dem’s at the next GE. She’s actually surpassed Boris, Liam Fox and Grayling as the worst ever cabinet minster. 

[OldNick]

On 08/08/2023 at 15:53, Weston Super Saint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66440335

Seems like a cracking move and not sure why we aren't doing it.  The message is clear, pass the interest rises on to savers or get taxed to fuck on the profiteering.

Should do similar with the energy suppliers as well.

I dont like the banks especially the way the top brass take big bonusses but the man in the street does get some of the profit as our pension companies invest in them that in turn help towards our pensions.

[sadoldgit]

Grant Shapps expected to replace Ben Wallace as Defence Secretary 😩

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Grant Shapps expected to replace Ben Wallace as Defence Secretary 😩

His fifth different Cabinet post in less than 12 months.

Edited 31 August, 2023 by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

From Wikipedia's page on the new Defence Secretary;

"In September 2012, Google blacklisted 19 of the Shapps' business websites for violating rules on copyright infringement related to the web scraping-based TrafficPayMaster software sold by them.Shapps's web marketing business's 20/20 Challenge publication also drew criticism. It cost $497 and promised customers earnings of $20,000 in 20 days. Upon purchase, the "toolkit" was revealed to be an ebook, advising the user to create their own toolkit and recruit 100 "Joint Venture Partners" to resell it for a share of the profits.

Shapps's use of the names Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox attracted controversy in 2012. He denied having used a pseudonym after entering parliament and, in 2014, threatened legal action against a constituent who had stated on Facebook that he had. In February 2015, he publicly said: "I don't have a second job and have never had a second job while being an MP. End of story."

However, in March 2015, Shapps admitted to having had a second job while being an MP, and practising business under a pseudonym."

 

So he is a lying, schyster, pyramid selling, intellectual property theif.

No wonder he's a Tory MP.

[Sheaf Saint]

It seems Rishi was shown evidence of a critical risk to life from the crumbling concrete in schools two years ago when he was chancellor, so instead of addressing that he decided to halve the budget for school repairs. Amazing.

Sunak refused to fully fund repairs of England’s crumbling schools, says ex-official | Schools | The Guardian

[whelk]

41 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

It seems Rishi was shown evidence of a critical risk to life from the crumbling concrete in schools two years ago when he was chancellor, so instead of addressing that he decided to halve the budget for school repairs. Amazing.

Sunak refused to fully fund repairs of England’s crumbling schools, says ex-official | Schools | The Guardian

There are no votes in crumbling concrete. Seems to be all about popularity rather than governing seriously and having any sort of strategy about anything. Not all their fault though as forced this way by the ever more low attention span of the electorate.

Edited 4 September, 2023 by whelk

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

It seems Rishi was shown evidence of a critical risk to life from the crumbling concrete in schools two years ago when he was chancellor, so instead of addressing that he decided to halve the budget for school repairs. Amazing.

Sunak refused to fully fund repairs of England’s crumbling schools, says ex-official | Schools | The Guardian

Gillian Keegan, Education Secretary, on the radio this morning came out with a couple of brilliant sond bites: firstly she said that where they have been notified of a problem they have acted immediately - to put in props and supports. ( It was the failure last week of a ceiling that had been so assessed and propped up that precipitated the current panic ). She also said that there was less money to addres the problem because of the teachers' pay rise.

[ashnats]

4 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Gillian Keegan, Education Secretary, on the radio this morning came out with a couple of brilliant sond bites: firstly she said that where they have been notified of a problem they have acted immediately - to put in props and supports. ( It was the failure last week of a ceiling that had been so assessed and propped up that precipitated the current panic ). She also said that there was less money to addres the problem because of the teachers' pay rise.

She's done a fucking good job though, isn't that the real story here? What a fucking good job she has done? Not sure why people are giving her a hard time and going on about concrete, she's done a fucking good job. Well done her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66709282

 

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, ashnats said:

She's done a fucking good job though, isn't that the real story here? What a fucking good job she has done? Not sure why people are giving her a hard time and going on about concrete, she's done a fucking good job. Well done her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66709282

 

I stopped when she mentioned front fucking footedness!

[badgerx16]

Rishi claims it was nothing to do with him when he was Chancellor as he expanded the capital program in his first statement to the Commons............

It is a semantic point, as what he actually said was he would raise spending such that per pupil it would get back to pre-2010, ( pre Tory ), levels in real terms.

Edited 4 September, 2023 by badgerx16

[Tamesaint]

2 hours ago, ashnats said:

She's done a fucking good job though, isn't that the real story here? What a fucking good job she has done? Not sure why people are giving her a hard time and going on about concrete, she's done a fucking good job. Well done her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66709282

 

I think Duckie with his recent swearing outbursts has become her scriptwriter.

[badgerx16]

I have just played this back to confirm what I thought I heard;

On R4 the Science Minister was on to talk about the UK rejoining the Horizon program, ( yay, we are now associate members of something we used to be full members of ). However, before getting on to this subject she was asked about the escape from Wandsworth prison and part of her answer was....

"In terms of the number of escapees it is not incomparable to the number we had under the Labour Government, it is about 4 or 5 times the amount under their tenure".

 

 

 

[ecuk268]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

I have just played this back to confirm what I thought I heard;

On R4 the Science Minister was on to talk about the UK rejoining the Horizon program, ( yay, we are now associate members of something we used to be full members of ). However, before getting on to this subject she was asked about the escape from Wandsworth prison and part of her answer was....

"In terms of the number of escapees it is not incomparable to the number we had under the Labour Government, it is about 4 or 5 times the amount under their tenure".

 

 

 

Assuming that you've typed that correctly, it doesn't make sense.

The double negative "not incomparable" implies that it is comparable and then saying that the number of escapes is 4 or 5 times what it was under Labour.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, ecuk268 said:

Assuming that you've typed that correctly, it doesn't make sense.

The double negative "not incomparable" implies that it is comparable and then saying that the number of escapes is 4 or 5 times what it was under Labour.

Find this morning's Today program on BBC Sounds and listen to it. This is what I did as I could not believe what I heard, and as I type this reply I am listening to it again, and that is almost verbatim what she said - other than I have typed "than we saw..." and she actually said "than we had...", and I also transliterated "something like..." to "it is about...", ( 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 15 seconds into the 3 hour program ).

Edited 7 September, 2023 by badgerx16

[Picard]

4 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

I have just played this back to confirm what I thought I heard;

On R4 the Science Minister was on to talk about the UK rejoining the Horizon program, ( yay, we are now associate members of something we used to be full members of ). However, before getting on to this subject she was asked about the escape from Wandsworth prison and part of her answer was....

"In terms of the number of escapees it is not incomparable to the number we had under the Labour Government, it is about 4 or 5 times the amount under their tenure".

 

 

 

https://data.justice.gov.uk/prisons/public-protection/escapes

She misspoke, it was 4 or 5 times more under labour.

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, Picard said:

https://data.justice.gov.uk/prisons/public-protection/escapes

She misspoke, it was 4 or 5 times more under labour.

I had no doubt that she did, but it shows the problem with asking questions of unbreifed interviewees with no direct connection to an issue. One misplaced "was" completely reverses the point being made. As has been said many times, The Thick Of It was more documentary than comedy.

Edited 7 September, 2023 by badgerx16

[buctootim]

8 hours ago, Picard said:

https://data.justice.gov.uk/prisons/public-protection/escapes

She misspoke, it was 4 or 5 times more under labour.

Erm no . It’s was around 20 times higher under the Major Tory government with 88 escapes in 1996. Blair / Brown successively reduced that to 5 per year in 2009/10. The Tories have maintained it at about the same level since 2010

[rallyboy]

Laura Trott is a pointless excuse of an MP.

She must now regret giving up her fantastic career as an Olympic cyclist to chase the dream of being a pensions minister.

It's sad to see what she's become. 😕

 

 

 

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Laura Trott is a pointless excuse of an MP.

She must now regret giving up her fantastic career as an Olympic cyclist to chase the dream of being a pensions minister.

It's sad to see what she's become. 😕

 

 

 

Tory MP trying to curry public favour by stealing the identity of a national sports heroine.

Just because Laura, ( the cyclist ), changed her surname to Kenny when she got married, didn't leave the 'Trott' part free for somebody else to pick up and exploit.

Edited 18 September, 2023 by badgerx16

[Fan The Flames]

Number 10 wanted the Queen to tell Johnson to wind his neck in as his executive spiralled out of control, but the palace didn't want to get involved, especially as it was their preferred party of power.

[Tamesaint]

So Mad Lizzie has spoken. She wants to increase the retirement age even further, cut taxes (presumably because public services are all awash with too much cash) and reduce benefits. She did nothing wrong in office apart from slaughtering pigs too early . (presumably because of her obsession with pork markets).

How this woman still has the nerve to speak in public amazes me. Why the BBC choose to start their radio news bulletins with her thoughts is staggering.

 

[Tamesaint]

2 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

So Mad Lizzie has spoken. She wants to increase the retirement age even further, cut taxes (presumably because public services are all awash with too much cash) and reduce benefits. She did nothing wrong in office apart from slaughtering pigs too early . (presumably because of her obsession with pork markets).

How this woman still has the nerve to speak in public amazes me. Why the BBC choose to start their radio news bulletins with her thoughts is staggering.

 

Forgot to add that she also wants to scrap the windfall taxes on energy companies. The Conservative party members really lumbered the country with a nutcase when they chose her.

[badgerx16]

Just now, Tamesaint said:

Forgot to add that she also wants to scrap the windfall taxes on energy companies. The Conservative party members really lumbered the country with a nutcase when they chose her.

And get rid of the Net Zero targets.