The United Kingdom and the Death of Boris Johnson as we know it.

[Guest]

His "Hasta la vista" bullshit pretty much sums him up.

No class. No morals. No care. No interest.
Just one big joke, one big party for him and his chums all along. They're all as bent as they come.

 

Even watching these Tory debates, I mean Jesus, its like deciding whether you want to step in cow shit or dog shit. If they win the next election...I mean wow! 👀

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 20/07/2022 at 13:54, FarehamSaintJames said:

His "Hasta la vista" bullshit pretty much sums him up.

No class. No morals. No care. No interest.
Just one big joke, one big party for him and his chums all along. They're all as bent as they come.

 

Even watching these Tory debates, I mean Jesus, its like deciding whether you want to step in cow shit or dog shit. If they win the next election...I mean wow! 👀

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I suspect he was also toying with the idea of saying 'I'll be back' as well - which would be both incredible and disastrous at the same time.

[AlexLaw76]

Sunak can't be PM.  He received a FPN?

[whelk]

That’s the Truss line of deregulation to start growth ie take workers rights away

This smug cunt is the worst of them

 

 

 

[tajjuk]

  On 21/07/2022 at 20:22, whelk said:

That’s the Truss line of deregulation to start growth ie take workers rights away

This smug cunt is the worst of them

 

 

 

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Basically an example of what the ERG driven Tory party wants the country to become, a corporate paradise with no workers rights, environmental protections, taxes on the rich, hiring cheap agency staff on zero hour contracts, no food standards or animal welfare standards. Completely unfettered and unregulated capitalism.

This is why we had to leave the EU, because EU rules protected rights, protected the environment, protected workers, protected animals, protected food standards and they were (as the referendum was being pushed) introducing laws to stop corporations avoiding tax in the countries they did business. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 23/07/2022 at 10:28, tajjuk said:

Basically an example of what the ERG driven Tory party wants the country to become, a corporate paradise with no workers rights, environmental protections, taxes on the rich, hiring cheap agency staff on zero hour contracts, no food standards or animal welfare standards. Completely unfettered and unregulated capitalism.

This is why we had to leave the EU, because EU rules protected rights, protected the environment, protected workers, protected animals, protected food standards and they were (as the referendum was being pushed) introducing laws to stop corporations avoiding tax in the countries they did business. 

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It’s called democracy. If enough of the representatives want this vision of The UK, it’ll happen. If they don’t, it won’t. The UK Parliament is perfectly capable of legislating the exact same protections EU citizens have if enough representatives want that. 

[badgerx16]

  On 23/07/2022 at 11:49, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s called democracy. If enough of the representatives want this vision of The UK, it’ll happen. If they don’t, it won’t. The UK Parliament is perfectly capable of legislating the exact same protections EU citizens have if enough representatives want that. 

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I wonder how many people who voted for Brexit are now going to find this legislation doesn't fit the vision of the future they voted for.

[tajjuk]

  On 23/07/2022 at 11:49, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s called democracy. If enough of the representatives want this vision of The UK, it’ll happen. If they don’t, it won’t. The UK Parliament is perfectly capable of legislating the exact same protections EU citizens have if enough representatives want that. 

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Not really democracy when the majority of the electorate didn't vote for the ruling party. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 23/07/2022 at 12:03, badgerx16 said:

I wonder how many people who voted for Brexit are now going to find this legislation doesn't fit the vision of the future they voted for.

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We’ve had a GE since then. The people voted for The Tory version of the future as opposed to Steptoes. All Brexit did was allow the British Parliament to make its own decisions, what the British Parliament does with that power will determine what sort of future we have. 

[AlexLaw76]

  On 23/07/2022 at 12:48, tajjuk said:

Not really democracy when the majority of the electorate didn't vote for the ruling party. 

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That is our system.  Works when other parties (like in 1997) win under the same rules

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 23/07/2022 at 12:57, Lord Duckhunter said:

We’ve had a GE since then. The people voted for The Tory version of the future as opposed to Steptoes. All Brexit did was allow the British Parliament to make its own decisions, what the British Parliament does with that power will determine what sort of future we have. 

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We’ve always had that power. Nothing has changed.

[badgerx16]

  On 23/07/2022 at 13:04, AlexLaw76 said:

That is our system.  Works when other parties (like in 1997) win under the same rules

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And the system was as broken then as it is now.

[badgerx16]

  On 23/07/2022 at 12:57, Lord Duckhunter said:

We’ve had a GE since then. The people voted for The Tory version of the future as opposed to Steptoes. All Brexit did was allow the British Parliament to make its own decisions, what the British Parliament does with that power will determine what sort of future we have. 

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I bet you very few, if any, swing voters voted Tory in the Red Wall because they wanted worker's rights reduced and the anti-strike legislation introducing.

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 23/07/2022 at 13:24, Whitey Grandad said:

We’ve always had that power. Nothing has changed.

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This is just blatantly untrue. You can argue about the benefits of membership far outweigh the benefits of having more decisions based in Westminster, but nobody can argue that nothing has changed. When Leave voters are called stupid, I always argue that there’s just as many remain voters which this label applies to. Thanks for confirming.  

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 23/07/2022 at 14:50, badgerx16 said:

I bet you very few, if any, swing voters voted Tory in the Red Wall because they wanted worker's rights reduced and the anti-strike legislation introducing.

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You can say that about every single Government that ever existed, I bet people who voted Labour didn’t vote for an invasion of Iraq or independence for the BoE.
 

If they don’t like it they’ll get the opportunity to vote for another representative next time. That’s the way it’s always worked, it’s not suddenly changed because you don’t like the outcome. 

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[farawaysaint]

  On 23/07/2022 at 16:29, Lord Duckhunter said:

You can say that about every single Government that ever existed, I bet people who voted Labour didn’t vote for an invasion of Iraq or independence for the BoE.
 

If they don’t like it they’ll get the opportunity to vote for another representative next time. That’s the way it’s always worked, it’s not suddenly changed because you don’t like the outcome. 

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[buctootim]

  On 23/07/2022 at 14:50, badgerx16 said:

I bet you very few, if any, swing voters voted Tory in the Red Wall because they wanted worker's rights reduced and the anti-strike legislation introducing.

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True, but they should have anticipated it was a possibility. More than on any other issue the Tories and Labour occupy consistently different positions on workers rights and have done for over 100 years. 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 23/07/2022 at 16:25, Lord Duckhunter said:

This is just blatantly untrue. You can argue about the benefits of membership far outweigh the benefits of having more decisions based in Westminster, but nobody can argue that nothing has changed. When Leave voters are called stupid, I always argue that there’s just as many remain voters which this label applies to. Thanks for confirming.  

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You can believe all the propaganda that you want, but as Theresa May said, "nothing has changed".

And I see that you are off on your personal insults again. You just can't help ourself, can you?

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 23/07/2022 at 16:29, Lord Duckhunter said:

You can say that about every single Government that ever existed, I bet people who voted Labour didn’t vote for an invasion of Iraq or independence for the BoE.
 

If they don’t like it they’ll get the opportunity to vote for another representative next time. That’s the way it’s always worked, it’s not suddenly changed because you don’t like the outcome. 

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Not in my constitituency.

[tajjuk]

  On 21/07/2022 at 20:22, whelk said:

That’s the Truss line of deregulation to start growth ie take workers rights away

This smug cunt is the worst of them

 

 

 

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Also forgot to add this is completely undemocratic, this is a government minister bypassing parliamentary scrutiny and just introducing a new law without the people's representatives seeing, debating it and approving it. 

[ecuk268]

  On 23/07/2022 at 16:25, Lord Duckhunter said:

This is just blatantly untrue. You can argue about the benefits of membership far outweigh the benefits of having more decisions based in Westminster, but nobody can argue that nothing has changed. When Leave voters are called stupid, I always argue that there’s just as many remain voters which this label applies to. Thanks for confirming.  

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Depends how you define stupidity. 

Statistically, leave voters tended to have lower educational qualifications than remain voters. 

For those with no qualifications, it was 65% leave and 35% remain. For those with degrees, it was 74% remain and 26% leave.

[badgerx16]

  On 23/07/2022 at 18:55, tajjuk said:

Also forgot to add this is completely undemocratic, this is a government minister bypassing parliamentary scrutiny and just introducing a new law without the people's representatives seeing, debating it and approving it. 

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If you bypass Parliament you can't be accused of lying to them.

[badgerx16]

( I know it is GBeebies, and I feel slightly soiled for quoting them, but I actually heard this on BBC radio late last night - this link is just the first thing that came up on a GOOGLE search this morning );

 

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/petition-calling-for-boris-johnson-to-be-added-to-tory-leadership-candidates-passes-10000/342873

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[whelk]

10000 members said they would vote him but that is significant minority. Quite funny that people and papers still championing the busted flush. All just adds to Tories impoding

[rallyboy]

Population of the UK - 67 million.

Number of people sectioned each year under the mental health act -  50k.

Number of people who think Boris should be on a ballot paper - 10k.

Ratio of Jedi followers in the UK to Johnson followers -  39/1

Finished, he is.

 

[farawaysaint]

bUt 10000 PeOple WAnt Him oN tHe BaLlot!!!

 

https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliament-public-vote-of-no-confidence-in-pm-johnson

[badgerx16]

  On 25/07/2022 at 08:49, whelk said:

10000 members said they would vote him but that is significant minority. Quite funny that people and papers still championing the busted flush. All just adds to Tories impoding

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It was also on R4 last night that they don't actually know how many members of the party there are.

[buctootim]

  On 25/07/2022 at 12:15, badgerx16 said:

It was also on R4 last night that they don't actually know how many members of the party there are.

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Don't know or don't want to say? They have been claiming at diffferent points 200,000 and 300,000 but real total is rumoured to be 140,000 

[Guest]

My word these debates is unbearable to listen to/watch.

Cracking audience of Tories tonight on the BBC debate, were Labour banned or what?

[CB Fry]

  On 25/07/2022 at 20:52, FarehamSaintJames said:

My word these debates is unbearable to listen to/watch.

Cracking audience of Tories tonight on the BBC debate, were Labour banned or what?

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Er, yeah. It was an audience of Conservative voters. Only Tory members can vote in it, so pointless to have Labour or other supporters there.

[CB Fry]

Rishi shat the bed there. Jittery, too clever and just all over the shop. Truss just had to stay calm and she did.

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[whelk]

Sunak say8ng how terrible it would be if interest rates go up. Selfishly I hope they do. My kids have no hope of buying a house and also saddled with huge student loans. People have borrowed far more than is wise to get on property ladder which is clearly sensible as it stands but I would have shat myself if I had a 300k mortgage in my twenties as totally not affordable.

[egg]

  On 25/07/2022 at 21:02, CB Fry said:

Rishi shat the bed there. Jittery, too clever and just all over the shop. Truss just had to stay calm and she did.

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Yep. Too bullish. Tax cuts and high interest rates looking increasingly likely. 

[whelk]

  On 25/07/2022 at 21:02, CB Fry said:

Rishi shat the bed there. Jittery, too clever and just all over the shop. Truss just had to stay calm and she did.

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Interrupted loads as well. 

[rallyboy]

He made the schoolboy error of trying to offer a dose of reality between the madshit - the Rory Stewart mistake of the last hustings when he said it was time to be cautious as the economy was on a knife edge, they hated that and dumped him immediately.

Fantasy promises, that's all that the members want to hear, the more undeliverable the better - Sunak's gone with this bonkers negative stuff about energy bills that might go up and the mention of a war in Ukraine.

Stop talking the country down with facts!

 

[tajjuk]

  On 25/07/2022 at 21:01, CB Fry said:

Er, yeah. It was an audience of Conservative voters. Only Tory members can vote in it, so pointless to have Labour or other supporters there.

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No that makes no sense, on that logic its pointless to have it on TV, just have it streamed on a Tory party website for members then.

It's in the public interest, one of these two people sadly is going to be PM and will be running the country for ALL people, so the audience should have been representative of that. 

[farawaysaint]

Dear God Truss is going to be PM… What on earth has happened to politics in the UK?

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[spyinthesky]

  On 26/07/2022 at 11:19, farawaysaint said:

Dear God Truss is going to be PM… What on earth had happened to politics in the UK?

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Unfortunately she seems to have strong support from the Conservative members.
No doubt she will give Cabinet position uplifts to Mad Nad and Rees Mogg plus introduce other staunch supporters like Fabricant and ;possibly even Chris Chope.
Looks like I will be voting Labour in 2 years time!!

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 25/07/2022 at 21:02, CB Fry said:

Rishi shat the bed there. Jittery, too clever and just all over the shop. Truss just had to stay calm and she did.

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I don’t know who is advising him, but he needs to get rid of them pretty sharpish. It was always going to be a tall order for him to win with the membership but he came across appallingly. 

[badgerx16]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62299490

"The UK is set for the slowest growth of the G7 richest economies next year, the International Monetary Fund has warned."

 

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From the Analysis section; "But the IMF is among those economists who've noted that the UK faces more fundamental issues than the current crisis, with living standards having dropped behind many competitors over the last 15 years, something many attribute to a lack of investment in skills, equipment and infrastructure."

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[badgerx16]

I wonder if this is the party membership having their revenge on the MPs for having got rid of Boris. "You wanted rid of Johnson, so now you'll have to suffer Truss".

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 26/07/2022 at 14:21, badgerx16 said:

I wonder if this is the party membership having their revenge on the MPs for having got rid of Boris. "You wanted rid of Johnson, so now you'll have to suffer Truss".

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This the same membership that elected Johnson in the first place. 

[whelk]

  On 26/07/2022 at 14:02, badgerx16 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62299490

"The UK is set for the slowest growth of the G7 richest economies next year, the International Monetary Fund has warned."

 

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From the Analysis section; "But the IMF is among those economists who've noted that the UK faces more fundamental issues than the current crisis, with living standards having dropped behind many competitors over the last 15 years, something many attribute to a lack of investment in skills, equipment and infrastructure."

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Has that factored in us being world leaders in cheese?

[spyinthesky]

  On 26/07/2022 at 14:21, badgerx16 said:

I wonder if this is the party membership having their revenge on the MPs for having got rid of Boris. "You wanted rid of Johnson, so now you'll have to suffer Truss".

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Next two years will undoubtedly be difficult for whoever runs the country.
I have real doubts that a Truss Govt with her right wing pals in Cabinet will cope.
This will leave the Tory 'faithful' clamouring for Boris to return.
Ironically in the play 'The Last Temptation of Boris Johnson' , Margaret Thatcher comes to him in a dream during his 'Wilderness' years and implores him to return to the party fold to lead the 'Bre-entry' campaign!!
 

[Sheaf Saint]

  On 26/07/2022 at 14:02, badgerx16 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62299490

"The UK is set for the slowest growth of the G7 richest economies next year, the International Monetary Fund has warned."

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[buctootim]

  On 26/07/2022 at 14:28, Whitey Grandad said:

This the same membership that elected Johnson in the first place. 

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Yep. A Machiavellian plot is beyong them. It's just plain vanilla repeat mistakes stupidity. 

[Sheaf Saint]

Telegraph now reporting that he is being tipped to become the next General Secretary of NATO.

He really is like a turd that won't flush isn't he.

[Sheaf Saint]

And as for his "As far as I am aware" comment in his letter about his meeting with Lebedev, he's essentially admitting that there might have been a massive security breach but he was too pissed to remember.

[CB Fry]

  On 27/07/2022 at 11:49, Sheaf Saint said:

And as for his "As far as I am aware" comment in his letter about his meeting with Lebedev, he's essentially admitting that there might have been a massive security breach but he was too pissed to remember.

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"As far as I am aware" is standard issue Johnson bullshit. Just one layer of a lie that eventually gets peeled back and back

There were absolutely no parties, I've been told there were no parties, I've just found out about the parties and I am furious, I was at the parties but didn't realise it was a party, I'm sorry I was at a party, etc etc etc 

[Sheaf Saint]

  On 27/07/2022 at 11:52, CB Fry said:

"As far as I am aware" is standard issue Johnson bullshit. Just one layer of a lie that eventually gets peeled back and back

There were absolutely no parties, I've been told there were no parties, I've just found out about the parties and I am furious, I was at the parties but didn't realise it was a party, I'm sorry I was at a party, etc etc etc 

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Yep, it's like his personal disclaimer that he can use as a backup when he gets rumbled.

When you can't bullshit your way out of something, play dumb instead.