buctootim Posted 29 September, 2019 Share Posted 29 September, 2019 Maybe in this country (so far), but just look to America to see how things are going - Antifa and other far left organisations regularly attacking people, causing destruction to public property, shutting down public speakers etc. Glossed over in the media but it's happening all the time. I was talking about this with an American colleague only yesterday. Far from being glossed over there is blanket coverage of every tiny incident, even and maybe especially those which have nothing to do with politics. My colleagues elderly parents only watch Fox and are scared to go out. You’re being manipulated. Foreigners, losing control, the old days, WW2 and Waterloo, benefits scroungers, tax being wasted etc etc are all part of a calculated strategy. You, apparently, are lapping at the bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 September, 2019 Share Posted 29 September, 2019 I was talking about this with an American colleague only yesterday. Far from being glossed over there is blanket coverage of every tiny incident, even and maybe especially those which have nothing to do with politics. My colleagues elderly parents only watch Fox and are scared to go out. You’re being manipulated. Foreigners, losing control, the old days, WW2 and Waterloo, benefits scroungers, tax being wasted etc etc are all part of a calculated strategy. You, apparently, are lapping at the bowl. It’s strange, my best friends wife is American, she says the opposite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 September, 2019 Share Posted 29 September, 2019 (edited) I was talking about this with an American colleague only yesterday. Far from being glossed over there is blanket coverage of every tiny incident, even and maybe especially those which have nothing to do with politics. My colleagues elderly parents only watch Fox and are scared to go out. You’re being manipulated. Foreigners, losing control, the old days, WW2 and Waterloo, benefits scroungers, tax being wasted etc etc are all part of a calculated strategy. You, apparently, are lapping at the bowl. This is a decent article, not uncritical of antifa but clear about the wider media game of false equivalence being played: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/3/20677645/antifa-portland-andy-ngo-proud-boys On the deplatforming myth with actual data rather than batman's wife's best friend https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/3/17644180/political-correctness-free-speech-liberal-data-georgetown Edited 29 September, 2019 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 29 September, 2019 Share Posted 29 September, 2019 (edited) This is a decent article, not uncritical of antifa but clear about the wider media game of false equivalence being played: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/3/20677645/antifa-portland-andy-ngo-proud-boys On the deplatforming myth with actual data rather than batman's wife's best friend https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/3/17644180/political-correctness-free-speech-liberal-data-georgetown Agree. The go to antidote to political apathy, the motivator to 'get out and make me king' seems to have become division - 'don't let "them" destroy your way of life' . However the level of violence so far is both small scale and targeted - primarily two tribes battering each other, like Maidstone in a Saturday night. No antifa or come to that far right nationalist is going to be going around attacking elderly people in Wal Mart. That said its obviously a destructive trend. Edited 29 September, 2019 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 29 September, 2019 Share Posted 29 September, 2019 Those on the far-left are the most sanctimonious, judgemental, entitled and unpleasant people i've ever come across. Spoiler - it's nothing to do with left and right. It's people who are extreme in their views, whatever that view may be. As a rule of thumb, I find that the further from the centre the more unpleasant and tedious people become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 29 September, 2019 Share Posted 29 September, 2019 Maybe in this country (so far), but just look to America to see how things are going - Antifa and other far left organisations regularly attacking people, causing destruction to public property, shutting down public speakers etc. Glossed over in the media but it's happening all the time. how many people have Antifa killed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 29 September, 2019 Share Posted 29 September, 2019 It’s strange, my best friends wife is American, she says the opposite What exactly does she say, because the opposite of what Tim just wrote sounds pretty bizarre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 September, 2019 Share Posted 29 September, 2019 But they may be a bit blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 October, 2019 Share Posted 3 October, 2019 I was talking about this with an American colleague only yesterday. Far from being glossed over there is blanket coverage of every tiny incident, even and maybe especially those which have nothing to do with politics. My colleagues elderly parents only watch Fox and are scared to go out. You’re being manipulated. Foreigners, losing control, the old days, WW2 and Waterloo, benefits scroungers, tax being wasted etc etc are all part of a calculated strategy. You, apparently, are lapping at the bowl. That is an incredible leap of judgement to make about me based off of me saying that far left organisations are attacking people as well. I don't read/watch any mainstream media from America - I watch unedited footage and read reactions coming directly from people at events, and there is plenty of evidence of Antifa being one of the most violent and (ironically) fascist organisations out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 October, 2019 Share Posted 3 October, 2019 how many people have Antifa killed? No idea. But they certainly do seem a lovely bunch of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 October, 2019 Share Posted 3 October, 2019 Just thought I’d share a pic of Jo Swinson.........with Nigel Clough’s hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 October, 2019 Share Posted 3 October, 2019 Just thought I’d share a pic of Jo Swinson.........with Nigel Clough’s hair Fantastic observation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 October, 2019 Share Posted 7 October, 2019 Political satire at its best Disappointed on her position on Corbyn taking over for now. We need to get Johnson out before he does any more damage and steady the ship before the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 October, 2019 Share Posted 7 October, 2019 (edited) Ken Clarke and the assorted Tory rebels are not mad enough to let the cretin anywhere near Downing Street in any circumstances. They are the critical players in this issue. It doesn't stop the swivel-eyed magic Grandpa disciples from blaming it all on Swinson and the Lib Dems though. Edited 7 October, 2019 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 Heidi Allen moved over now as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 Heidi Allen moved over now as well... What happened to Change UK, I thought they were the revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 What happened to Change UK, I thought they were the revolution. To be fair, they were the revolution - it's why we now have a very right Conservative Party and a fast-growing middle-ground. If it weren't for that initial break no-one would have had the guts to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 To be fair, they were the revolution - it's why we now have a very right Conservative Party and a fast-growing middle-ground. If it weren't for that initial break no-one would have had the guts to move. Complete pony. Revolution? Lol. They’re just pinko tories and Blairettes that faced de-selection, so jumped before they were pushed. Tom Watson stopped the whole thing in its tracks by setting up his centre left group within the party. They’re charlatans, not revolutionaries. Austin Mitchell has penned the best takedown of the lib dumbs I’ve read. http:// https://brexitcentral.com/how-did-the-party-of-asquith-degenerate-into-a-sanctimonious-anti-democratic-rabble/ Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 Complete pony. Revolution? Lol. They’re just pinko tories and Blairettes that faced de-selection, so jumped before they were pushed. Tom Watson stopped the whole thing in its tracks by setting up his centre left group within the party. They’re charlatans, not revolutionaries. Austin Mitchell has penned the best takedown of the lib dumbs I’ve read. http:// https://brexitcentral.com/how-did-the-party-of-asquith-degenerate-into-a-sanctimonious-anti-democratic-rabble/ Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk I didn't say it was a good revolution, did I? Brexit Central is blocked on my works network unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 it's why we now have a very right Conservative Party and a fast-growing middle-ground. No way is this Government “very far right”. Apart from Priti at the Home office their outlook and policies are very pink tinged. The only way this Government can be seen as right wing is if you believe the false analysis that Brexit is a right wing project. There’s a cigarette paper between Boris and the Blairettes on everything bar Brexit. Take Brexit away. This Government is part of the big pink blob. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 No way is this Government “very far right”. Apart from Priti at the Home office their outlook and policies are very pink tinged. The only way this Government can be seen as right wing is if you believe the false analysis that Brexit is a right wing project. There’s a cigarette paper between Boris and the Blairettes on everything bar Brexit. Take Brexit away. This Government is part of the big pink blob. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That's if you believe their policies - which I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 I suppose you define the current Government by your own leaning to the right. A number of moderate Tories have jumped ship because of the lurch to the right. I guess if you align with Attila the Hun you will think of the current Government as “pinkos.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 I suppose you define the current Government by your own leaning to the right. A number of moderate Tories have jumped ship because of the lurch to the right. I guess if you align with Attila the Hun you will think of the current Government as “pinkos.”I think you'll find Attila was a counter revolutionary, anti establishment, pinko determined to bring down the "Man" in the guise of the Roman empire. He was an equal opportunity employer to. Happy to give jobs to Huns, Goths, Alans and anyone else who didn't mind a spot of murder, rape and pillage. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 I think you'll find Attila was a counter revolutionary, anti establishment, pinko determined to bring down the "Man" in the guise of the Roman empire. He was an equal opportunity employer to. Happy to give jobs to Huns, Goths, Alans and anyone else who didn't mind a spot of murder, rape and pillage. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk Damned Pinkos get everywhere!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 I suppose you define the current Government by your own leaning to the right. A number of moderate Tories have jumped ship because of the lurch to the right. I guess if you align with Attila the Hun you will think of the current Government as “pinkos.” They’ve jumped ship because of Brexit. This is not a right wing Government in any way shape or form. There’s little point in commenting on politics if you believe it is. Cameron’s pinko Government was further right in economic terms, Osborne more fiscally conservative than the promises Javid is making. David Milliband, Chucka, Ed Balls’ snap dragon and Cleggy could easily sit in this Government, Brexit aside You’re confusing the membership with the Government. The membership has moved rightwards, but the Government is part of the pink blob. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 10 October, 2019 Share Posted 10 October, 2019 I'm surprised that there is no mention that I can see of the substantial payments into Swinson's husband's organisation from the EU and from Soro's organisation. Surely this constitutes a vested interest in her desire for the UK to remain in the UK, but as far as I know, she hasn't declared it. How strange that the media isn't all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 10 October, 2019 Share Posted 10 October, 2019 I'm surprised that there is no mention that I can see of the substantial payments into Swinson's husband's organisation from the EU and from Soro's organisation. Surely this constitutes a vested interest in her desire for the UK to remain in the UK, but as far as I know, she hasn't declared it. How strange that the media isn't all over it. Surely if there was any indication that this was even possibly true then the Mail, Express, and Telegraph would be all over it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 October, 2019 Share Posted 10 October, 2019 (edited) Surely if there was any indication that this was even possibly true then the Mail, Express, and Telegraph would be all over it ? He heads up the UK chapter of Transparency International, the leading anticorruption NGO (information that is in the public domain). It receives grant funding from many private and public organisations, including (but not exclusively) EU and Open Society (again in the public domain in a fully audited set of annual accounts). Funding from non-EU and OS sources, notably DfiD and FCO (government departments) overwhelmingly makes up the lion share. Organisations give funding to NGOs all the time, especially in important policy areas and as far as I know nobody is saying that fighting corruption is a bad thing. There’s no grand conspiracy here. Best ignore Les - he’s not well. Edited 10 October, 2019 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 October, 2019 Share Posted 12 October, 2019 Good to get a Jew conspiracy in there though. Well done Lezza. Top Brexiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 October, 2019 Share Posted 12 October, 2019 Ken Clarke and the assorted Tory rebels are not mad enough to let the cretin anywhere near Downing Street in any circumstances. They are the critical players in this issue. It doesn't stop the swivel-eyed magic Grandpa disciples from blaming it all on Swinson and the Lib Dems though. No Deal Brexit it is then, well done Clarke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashnats Posted 12 October, 2019 Share Posted 12 October, 2019 I'm surprised that there is no mention that I can see of the substantial payments into Swinson's husband's organisation from the EU and from Soro's organisation. Surely this constitutes a vested interest in her desire for the UK to remain in the UK, but as far as I know, she hasn't declared it. How strange that the media isn't all over it. We all have a vested interest in staying in the EU, we'd all be better off, there's nothing controversial in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 12 October, 2019 Share Posted 12 October, 2019 Saw this the other day https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11971/jo_swinson/east_dunbartonshire/votes She has a really interesting voting record. Voted to use the military Voted for that bedroom tax and lower housing benefit Against raising benefits especially those disabled Voted for reduction of welfare payments Against creating jobs for younger people Voted to increase taxes and vat Against mansion tax Against raising corp tax and wanted to lower it For high speed rail Against private people not being able to use NHS For raising tuition fees For ending financial help to 16-19 year olds struggling in higher education Against stricter asylum rules For selling state owned forests Against low carbon emissions incentives Against fracking greater regulation Against slowing the rate at rail fares are increasing Against measures on climate change For killing badgers Against anti terror laws Seems a bit of a ***** tbh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 October, 2019 Share Posted 12 October, 2019 Good to get a Jew conspiracy in there though. Well done Lezza. Top Brexiting. Just another day on planet Les. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 12 October, 2019 Share Posted 12 October, 2019 Saw this the other day https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11971/jo_swinson/east_dunbartonshire/votes ....... ........ For killing badgers ........ That's one vote she won't be getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 October, 2019 Share Posted 12 October, 2019 No idea. But they certainly do seem a lovely bunch of people. Because a nasty, provocative sign is the exact equivalent of actually murdering people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 12 October, 2019 Share Posted 12 October, 2019 Against private people not being able to use NHS There was a vote on people with private health insurance not being allowed to used the NHS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 9 May, 2022 Share Posted 9 May, 2022 On 29/07/2019 at 13:04, Berkhamsted Saint said: Jo Swinson will be a success for the LibDems as she took over the party at the right time. Due to the horrific anti semitism within the Labour party many traditional Labour voters will switch to the the Libdems. It all depends where her positive momentum takes them as a party and whether they can build on it long term. 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 May, 2022 Share Posted 9 May, 2022 39 minutes ago, Jonnyboy said: 😅 Did you enjoy wanking yourself off to the parades today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 9 May, 2022 Share Posted 9 May, 2022 57 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Did you enjoy wanking yourself off to the parades today? Stop coming on to me freako. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 May, 2022 Share Posted 10 May, 2022 5 hours ago, Jonnyboy said: Stop coming on to me freako. I apologise. I'm sure you bumped a three year old thread about a long removed Lim Dem leader for really good reason. Have you got some research from your Youtubes to share with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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