Katalinic Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 A football chairman shouldn't be anywhere near the players giving pep talks - it totally undermines the manager unless the chairman doesn't think the manager is capable of motivating them (or thinks he can do a better job being a football expert) .....hmmm.
Ponty Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Or he was reassuring them/warning them about administration as a consequence of relegation.... Which is fine IMO.
benjii Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 ....oh and anyone logging onto here or the OS looking for news of big changes and a new 'way forward' is going to be severely disappointed. There will just be some more rhetoric which will involve some hilarious claptrap from Jan about how we are possibly the best team in the division and even more hilarious garbage from Wupert saying how our youth policy is the envy of the whole league and if we stick at it we will come good and finish high up the table "....just look at Arsenal". he'll say, "they are sticking with youth and not splashing out in the transfer market, proof that my, sorry our, way is the correct way." He will also say the fans need to get behind the coach and the team and everyone is pulling in the right direction and it will come good. We will then continue to lose games hand over fist and get relegated long before the season is over. Next season Stockport County, Hereford United et al will be winning games easily at SMS and looking like bigger and better organised clubs than us. The future is bright, the future is rosy red cheeked and has brilliant business acumen. Spooky!
saint_ed Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 I've not seen anyone else mention it on here, but I was told that on South Today this afternoon/evening they had a short interview with Lowe and they asked is Poortvliet losing his job? and Lowe's response was 'no *pause*, not today'. Can anyone else confirm this?
Mr Saints Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Can not believe we are approaching Wednesday and JP still has a job. The other 91 league clubs in thus country would of sacked him after the Forest/Plymouth game. The bloke is out of his depth.
saint lard Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 I've not seen anyone else mention it on here, but I was told that on South Today this afternoon/evening they had a short interview with Lowe and they asked is Poortvliet losing his job? and Lowe's response was 'no *pause*, not today'. Can anyone else confirm this? This is true,it did seem a little strange,the length of the pause was very deliberate.
NickG Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/ondemand/england/realmedia/southtoday/southampton/southtoday?bgc=C0C0C0&nbram=1&lang=en&nbwm=1&bbram=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=1&size=16x9&bbwm=1 18 mins in
Mole Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Lowes lack of action could be a sign that administration is very close. If he is going to call in the administrators why would he bother changing the manager?
Spudsaint Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Penny's dropped for some of the geniuses on here. Not before time.
ladysaint Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Lowes lack of action could be a sign that administration is very close. If he is going to call in the administrators why would he bother changing the manager? Exactly what I was thinking,there would be no point, we dont have any money to pay him off and if we go into administration he would be out of a job anyway.
alpine_saint Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4062204.Poortvliet_in_fighting_mood_after_crunch_talks/ Well, that's our relegation fate sealed then
alpine_saint Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 So, nickh, can we assume you've well-and-truly withdrawn your support for Lowe, then ??
Ponty Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/ondemand/england/realmedia/southtoday/southampton/southtoday?bgc=C0C0C0&nbram=1&lang=en&nbwm=1&bbram=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=1&size=16x9&bbwm=1 18 mins in That's not Lowe's response though, it's one bloke's interpretation of it. It would've been interesting to see the footage of the original comment.
NickG Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 agree, was expecting it to be there as poster said they had seen it on south today???
gordonToo Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Lowes lack of action could be a sign that administration is very close. If he is going to call in the administrators why would he bother changing the manager? Looks like it.
Saint Billy Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 I give up! I'm starting to think this is all part of Lowes master plan.
SaintRobbie Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/ondemand/england/realmedia/southtoday/southampton/southtoday?bgc=C0C0C0&nbram=1&lang=en&nbwm=1&bbram=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=1&size=16x9&bbwm=1 18 mins in Lowe ' JPs job is not an issue.....today'. LOL. Can't make this up can you. I suppose, Lowe has to consult with the shareholders on the board, who are using him and stitching him up IMHO, before a decision is made to sack JP. I think JP might still be off afterall.
The Rover Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 As has been said above, I think we could well be in administration within the next week or so. I'm sure I read that we would not be able to afford to turn down any good offers for players this month. Surely the converse also applies - we haven't managed to sell anyone and are therefore well and truly in deep cack. I just hope that Lowe doesn't have some cunning plan to rise like a phoenix from the ashes which would cetainly be my nightmare.
SFC Forever Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Nobody is managing the team. That is the whole problem. A manager no matter how poor would have tried something different by now
Ponty Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Lowe ' JPs job is not an issue.....today'. LOL. Can't make this up can you. I suppose, Lowe has to consult with the shareholders on the board, who are using him and stitching him up IMHO, before a decision is made to sack JP. I think JP might still be off afterall. But it wasn't Lowe, was it? It was whoever that bloke is who does South Today down there.
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Lowe getting rid of JP would be an admission of failure. And as we know LOWE'S NEVER WRONG! so failure is not in his vocabulary, and were stuck with JP till Lowe's gone!
SaintRobbie Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 But it wasn't Lowe, was it? It was whoever that bloke is who does South Today down there. I thought he said Lowe said it? If not perhaps even South Today are taking the **** out of the situation.
boxosponge Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 A football chairman shouldn't be anywhere near the players giving pep talks . He wasn't. Judas is the football chairman
Ponty Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 I thought he said Lowe said it? If not perhaps even South Today are taking the **** out of the situation. Lowe may well have said it but the gravitas of the statement was all in the tone and inflection which was supplied by South Today.
dubai_phil Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Lowe ' JPs job is not an issue.....today'. LOL. Can't make this up can you. I suppose, Lowe has to consult with the shareholders on the board, who are using him and stitching him up IMHO, before a decision is made to sack JP. I think JP might still be off afterall. But tomorrow it will be. That's in page 4 of "PR for Dummys" on the same shelf as MS Excel for Dummy's
SaintRobbie Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 But tomorrow it will be. That's in page 4 of "PR for Dummys" on the same shelf as MS Excel for Dummy's lol
SaintRobbie Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Lowe may well have said it but the gravitas of the statement was all in the tone and inflection which was supplied by South Today. But surely if JP was safe he'd have made a strong statement in support of him given the gravitas of the current situation?
dubai_phil Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 But surely if JP was safe he'd have made a strong statement in support of him given the gravitas of the current situation? How many meetings were there today, when does the Echo actually go to print? Goodnight - Bullfrogs hit the spot this evening
SaintRobbie Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Exactly what I was thinking,there would be no point, we dont have any money to pay him off and if we go into administration he would be out of a job anyway. Could be right. Sadly. Lowe would rather take guaranteed relegation and administration rather than gamble on a fight. Weak. Incipid and no leader of a football club.
Saint Bones Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 So all that ... and for what ? How about spending more time on the training field, rather then couped up having a nice little yarn. I hope there a big net at the end of this free-fall.
Englesaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Could be right. Sadly. Lowe would rather take guaranteed relegation and administration rather than gamble on a fight. Weak. Incipid and no leader of a football club. Indeed. Never was . . and will never be !
trousers Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 I still don't understand how someone with such a relatively small stake in the club (I.e. £300k or 5% of capital ?) maintains such a grip on the running of this club. Can anyone explain this to me? Ta
Nineteen Canteen Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 So, nickh, can we assume you've well-and-truly withdrawn your support for Lowe, then ?? On balance I think we may well all be culpulable for the club's demise. The article in the Express concerning our drop in attendances is purely down to us unfortunately having a fan base of which a significant majority only want to watch Premiership Football. It's no longer about supporting Lowe, Crouch, Wilde but supporting the team. Any demonstration in the stadium is counter productive especially when you see supposedly intelligent men (judged by their posts on this forum) alledgedly behaving in a threatening and violent way towards older fans and those accompanied by chiildren. Mob rule by the excessively vocal minority will IMO send this club over the edge long before any further action by the current board. I have read the threads at length awaiting my registration and Nickh, AdrianSFC and a fair few others abused for their support of the club and thereby deemed 'Lowe -luvvies' are those who seem to have the most fair and balanced view on matters. When these users register a genuine concern then we should listen and act but without confirming Rupert's long held belief we do indeed have a lunatic fringe, with some even masquerade on here as decent citizens don't they Um Pahars. The reality despite your explanation that you all had a good laugh with your 'victims' afterwards remains a total disgrace and any further contribution from you treated with the contempt it deserves. Your actions and those of your mate were memorable for all the wrong reasons and I don't believe it was that easy for anyone to 'laugh off'. The saving grace is despite your efforts I understand very very few in Itchen south stood up with you.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 A football chairman shouldn't be anywhere near the players giving pep talks - it totally undermines the manager unless the chairman doesn't think the manager is capable of motivating them (or thinks he can do a better job being a football expert) .....hmmm. Why? A chairman is in control of the club and him meeting the players will provide benefit to both in assessing the situation and hopefully reassurance both ways. Was it a Pep talk or motivational talk or a sit round the table discussion about where we are at and how do we move forward. If everyone isn't pulling in teh same direction or individuals have concerns that are not being voiced is there a better way to ensure they are given the opportunity. You are basing your comments on perception and assumption and not fact unless you were in the meeting don't believe what you read or the rhetoric as what would have been said will stay (rightly) behind closed doors.
Saint Bones Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 You are basing your comments on perception and assumption and not fact unless you were in the meeting don't believe what you read or the rhetoric as what would have been said will stay (rightly) behind closed doors. Shouldnt the fans be alerted to the fact that their club is doing 'things' to try and improve the situation ? Sadly a sit around chin wag Isn't what the club needs now. If they didn't relize they were already in a fight then we truly have an incompetant manager and board.
um pahars Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Shouldnt the fans be alerted to the fact that their club is doing 'things' to try and improve the situation ? Two things on this one: Firstly, they're not actually doing anything about it. The current line is business as usual. Secondly, IMHO communication from the Club is now a busted flush and with so much rubbish in the OS in recent months, I don't think anyone takes it seriously and it has lost any respect it may have had.
alpine_saint Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 (edited) On balance I think we may well all be culpulable for the club's demise. The article in the Express concerning our drop in attendances is purely down to us unfortunately having a fan base of which a significant majority only want to watch Premiership Football. It's no longer about supporting Lowe, Crouch, Wilde but supporting the team. Any demonstration in the stadium is counter productive especially when you see supposedly intelligent men (judged by their posts on this forum) alledgedly behaving in a threatening and violent way towards older fans and those accompanied by chiildren. Mob rule by the excessively vocal minority will IMO send this club over the edge long before any further action by the current board. I have read the threads at length awaiting my registration and Nickh, AdrianSFC and a fair few others abused for their support of the club and thereby deemed 'Lowe -luvvies' are those who seem to have the most fair and balanced view on matters. When these users register a genuine concern then we should listen and act but without confirming Rupert's long held belief we do indeed have a lunatic fringe, with some even masquerade on here as decent citizens don't they Um Pahars. The reality despite your explanation that you all had a good laugh with your 'victims' afterwards remains a total disgrace and any further contribution from you treated with the contempt it deserves. Your actions and those of your mate were memorable for all the wrong reasons and I don't believe it was that easy for anyone to 'laugh off'. The saving grace is despite your efforts I understand very very few in Itchen south stood up with you. Thanks for that, PR plant. If you had actually been on here before as a fan (even a few days) instead of having just been given your new duties by your boss, you would know that nickh stated he would withdraw his support for Lowe if he did not sack Poortvillet. That was what my post was about. Edited 21 January, 2009 by alpine_saint
70's Mike Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Why? A chairman is in control of the club and him meeting the players will provide benefit to both in assessing the situation and hopefully reassurance both ways. Was it a Pep talk or motivational talk or a sit round the table discussion about where we are at and how do we move forward. If everyone isn't pulling in teh same direction or individuals have concerns that are not being voiced is there a better way to ensure they are given the opportunity. You are basing your comments on perception and assumption and not fact unless you were in the meeting don't believe what you read or the rhetoric as what would have been said will stay (rightly) behind closed doors. swallowed the business text book
Katalinic Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Why? A chairman is in control of the club and him meeting the players will provide benefit to both in assessing the situation and hopefully reassurance both ways. Was it a Pep talk or motivational talk or a sit round the table discussion about where we are at and how do we move forward. If everyone isn't pulling in teh same direction or individuals have concerns that are not being voiced is there a better way to ensure they are given the opportunity. You are basing your comments on perception and assumption and not fact unless you were in the meeting don't believe what you read or the rhetoric as what would have been said will stay (rightly) behind closed doors. Yes, I suppose it could look like that in the world of PR.....but history tells us Lowe likes to stick his nose where he shouldn't into football matters. I would pose your question back at you....how do you know what sort of talk it was......unless...???
David Strover Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Why? A chairman is in control of the club Ultimately he is then responsible for the performance of said club or business no one else and in this case he has failed to act in any way be it proactive or reactive. He. Has. Failed. I also love the leader of the team saying, "...I THINK we are in a fight". Jan phone me up next time I could have told you that about three months ago as could most Saints fans. I honestly and truly give up!
JustMike Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 On balance I think we may well all be culpulable for the club's demise. The article in the Express concerning our drop in attendances is purely down to us unfortunately having a fan base of which a significant majority only want to watch Premiership Football. It's no longer about supporting Lowe, Crouch, Wilde but supporting the team. Any demonstration in the stadium is counter productive especially when you see supposedly intelligent men (judged by their posts on this forum) alledgedly behaving in a threatening and violent way towards older fans and those accompanied by chiildren. Mob rule by the excessively vocal minority will IMO send this club over the edge long before any further action by the current board. I have read the threads at length awaiting my registration and Nickh, AdrianSFC and a fair few others abused for their support of the club and thereby deemed 'Lowe -luvvies' are those who seem to have the most fair and balanced view on matters. When these users register a genuine concern then we should listen and act but without confirming Rupert's long held belief we do indeed have a lunatic fringe, with some even masquerade on here as decent citizens don't they Um Pahars. The reality despite your explanation that you all had a good laugh with your 'victims' afterwards remains a total disgrace and any further contribution from you treated with the contempt it deserves. Your actions and those of your mate were memorable for all the wrong reasons and I don't believe it was that easy for anyone to 'laugh off'. The saving grace is despite your efforts I understand very very few in Itchen south stood up with you. what a load of carp!!! Yes attendances have dropped since relegation, happens at most clubs BUT our attendances have fallen dramatically since all the arsing around, wilde, crouch, lowe again, the obvious message from RL that we are all just numbers on a balance sheet, the whole way the club has (not) been run. Oh and welcome to the forum Mr (or mrs / miss) A N Other PRPlant
Penfold Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Why? A chairman is in control of the club and him meeting the players will provide benefit to both in assessing the situation and hopefully reassurance both ways. Was it a Pep talk or motivational talk or a sit round the table discussion about where we are at and how do we move forward. If everyone isn't pulling in teh same direction or individuals have concerns that are not being voiced is there a better way to ensure they are given the opportunity. You are basing your comments on perception and assumption and not fact unless you were in the meeting don't believe what you read or the rhetoric as what would have been said will stay (rightly) behind closed doors. Cant believe Lowelife is still using PR plant. Just sums him up.
cynicalsaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 so looks like the trolls are back. can we have an 'out a PR plant' sticky where suspect posters can be named / shamed? would be good to know who's under suspicion / make it easier to collate any spin as well as being good sport. ps- appreciate my post count probably puts me squarely in the frame for accusation but i'm not. honest.
alpine_saint Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Can I suggest to everyone that Nineteen Canteen is ignored ? I have been reliably informed that he is an old "friend" of ours....
gordonToo Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Why? A chairman is in control of the club and him meeting the players will provide benefit to both in assessing the situation and hopefully reassurance both ways. Was it a Pep talk or motivational talk or a sit round the table discussion about where we are at and how do we move forward. If everyone isn't pulling in teh same direction or individuals have concerns that are not being voiced is there a better way to ensure they are given the opportunity. You are basing your comments on perception and assumption and not fact unless you were in the meeting don't believe what you read or the rhetoric as what would have been said will stay (rightly) behind closed doors. If it was MW then OK but the whole idea of the present structure was to distance RL from the playing side. In practice it's been the exact opposite with RL havimg more direct involvement with the team than ever before and MW being conspicuous only by his absence. The best intepretation that can be put on yesterday's events is that administration is now seen as inevitable unless results improve and that JP is but a pawn in the game.
JustMike Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 so looks like the trolls are back. can we have an 'out a PR plant' sticky where suspect posters can be named / shamed? would be good to know who's under suspicion / make it easier to collate any spin as well as being good sport. ps- appreciate my post count probably puts me squarely in the frame for accusation but i'm not. honest. mmmmm prove your worth newbee
Frank's cousin Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Can I suggest to everyone that Nineteen Canteen is ignored ? I have been reliably informed that he is an old "friend" of ours.... Sorry Alpine, but PR plant or not, this is as far as I am aware an open forum for all views to be expressed - yes even those you dont agree with. I am flumuxed as to why posters find the idea of 'PR Plants' so odd on these sites anyway - if nothing else they provide an insight into how the club is thinking and thuis it provides information. The above post is not without its emotional content - a hint of bitterness which suggest its closer to the the club than a simple PR scripted post - but that does not mean its all invalid as some of you are dismissing. There is a definate atmosphere of 'intimidation' towards those that dont want to be 'bullied' into taking the 'forum line', or suggest middle ground and offer mor 'balanced' views - and what are our posts anyway? Whatever side of the line you stand on, posts are in effect all 'PR' from that perspective - communicating your vuiewsand opinions and hoping that there are folk that will listen and possibley see the merit in what you say?
Saint Bones Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Two things on this one: Firstly, they're not actually doing anything about it. The current line is business as usual. (lets hope it isn't results as usual) Secondly, IMHO communication from the Club is now a busted flush and with so much rubbish in the OS in recent months, I don't think anyone takes it seriously and it has lost any respect it may have had. Common Sense as always from you Um. That highlighted paragraph should be sent to the club. No wonder we feel like its so us and them.
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