Mark Field pushes a woman a bit

[benjii]

I woke up this morning to news on the Beeb radio that Mark Field had physically accosted a protester and that the footage was “shocking”. I then went online to see this “shocking” footage. Shocking? No.

 

Now, he probably shouldn’t have grabbed her and he’ll get in trouble and rightly so, I guess.

 

However, I really fear for public discourse in the Western world. The radio reports made it sound like he’d given her six of the best when really he just stopped her progress then led her out. She’ll be fine. People get roughed up more than that by the police every day. Hysterical reporting does no one any favours.

[hypochondriac]

Yep. Bbc reporters on twitter were hysterical about how awful it all was. Stupid hippy shouldn't have barged into an event that she wasn't invited to and yes mark acted quite rashly but the world has gone mad if he gets the boot for something like that.

[rooney]

The BBC and Labour always seem to imply that the perpetrator is in the right these days. Yes the world has gone mad.

[Highfield Saint]

Probably wouldn't have been reported the same way if it had been a man.

[whelk]

I watched it with my wife. She thought it outrageous I thought it was a non-story. Was expecting a headlock or at least a Chinese burn.

[whelk]

I also thought she was armed and her next move was to shoot up the place. Brave Mark Field

[edprice1984]

He clearly shouldn't have got involved and the hand around the neck was not great - but I am fed up with protesters who seem to think that there will be no consequence for their actions. Think back to when Prescott thumped the bloke on the election trail. Never liked Two Jags politics but I respected him for getting a few off in response.

 

Climate change is a serious topic and to be fair the government and the opposition parties are finally starting to treat it as such - the UK needs to move much quicker and further but in comparison with a lot of western countries with a similar sized economy they are doing pretty well.

 

So easy for Labour politicians to scream 'outrage' sack him etc, put them in the same situation and see what they would do.

[Sheaf Saint]

It's not quite as bad as some people are making out, but his actions were totally disproportionate to the level of 'threat'. He slammed her against a pillar and grabbed her by the neck. If he had used a recognised technique for restraining someone that he had been trained to use correctly, there would be no issue here, but the worrying thing is that he looked completely comfortable using that level of disproportionate force against an un-armed woman. Makes me wonder if he has previous form in that respect.

 

If he does get sacked as a result, he should apply to join a US police force. He would fit right in.

[Guided Missile]

Police appear to be taking the same action and I don't hear of any of our brave officers being suspended.

 

[hypochondriac]

Good article from spiked on this:

 

Why the double standard? Because these protesters were green. And green protesters can do whatever the hell they like. They have become almost gods in the political pantheon. They are treated as dispensers of humanity-saving wisdom that the rest of us must slavishly listen to. Refuse to do that and you are a ‘denier’ of their gospel truth. Indeed, the only remarkable thing about last night is that climate activists disrupted a posh black-tie dinner. Normally they disrupt the daily lives of ordinary people, whether by blocking runways or motorways or gluing themselves to public transport. Mark Field behaved wrongly in that moment — but the overblown reaction to his behaviour tells us a broader story about the double standards of the left and the astonishing sense of entitlement among climate-change agitators.

[the saint in winchester]

Good to read the above comments and know my feelings are reciprocated.

Like the OP, heard the radio news about how awful it is was and that the perp was expected to be fired or imprisoned.

When I saw the footage, it seems fair use of force to me. As you comment above, it was trespass to a private event, and then interrupting the proceedings. She was reasonably restrained. Some people seem to think they can go anywhere and do anything without consequence. Seems the first contact from an official or a word of rebuke, and they are claiming their rights to free speech are impinged.

[Cabbage_Face]

These boring Environmental lot need to have a look at themselves.

 

Up there with Vegans and Cyclists.

[aintforever]

I absolutely agree with the climate protester's cause but if you are going to protest and cause disruption you should expect a bit of roughing up and take it on the chin.

 

That said they are probably just making a fuss of it to get it in the news which is fair play.

[Sheaf Saint]

Good article from spiked on this:

 

Why the double standard? Because these protesters were green. And green protesters can do whatever the hell they like. They have become almost gods in the political pantheon. They are treated as dispensers of humanity-saving wisdom that the rest of us must slavishly listen to. Refuse to do that and you are a ‘denier’ of their gospel truth. Indeed, the only remarkable thing about last night is that climate activists disrupted a posh black-tie dinner. Normally they disrupt the daily lives of ordinary people, whether by blocking runways or motorways or gluing themselves to public transport. Mark Field behaved wrongly in that moment — but the overblown reaction to his behaviour tells us a broader story about the double standards of the left and the astonishing sense of entitlement among climate-change agitators.

 

Spiked is funded by Koch Industries.

 

Now I wonder what axe they have to grind with climate protestors?

[shurlock]

Bet it’s not the first time he’s done something like that. Wonder how his wife is...

[Micky]

I am not bothered what he did. Had he punched her in the nose and dragged her out by her feet I probably would be even less bothered.

[whelk]

I am not bothered what he did. Had he punched her in the nose and dragged her out by her feet I probably would be even less bothered.

 

Enlightening as always seeing the Saintweb view on things. Imagine being locked in only able to socialise with fellow posters.

[whelk]

Bet it’s not the first time he’s done something like that. Wonder how his wife is...

 

Undoubtedly overblown reaction but yes definitely looks a regular cnt

[benjii]

Good article from spiked on this:

 

Why the double standard? Because these protesters were green. And green protesters can do whatever the hell they like. They have become almost gods in the political pantheon. They are treated as dispensers of humanity-saving wisdom that the rest of us must slavishly listen to. Refuse to do that and you are a ‘denier’ of their gospel truth. Indeed, the only remarkable thing about last night is that climate activists disrupted a posh black-tie dinner. Normally they disrupt the daily lives of ordinary people, whether by blocking runways or motorways or gluing themselves to public transport. Mark Field behaved wrongly in that moment — but the overblown reaction to his behaviour tells us a broader story about the double standards of the left and the astonishing sense of entitlement among climate-change agitators.

 

Yes, there's a real Blair-style narcissism behind a lot of these folk.

[hypochondriac]

Spiked is funded by Koch Industries.

 

Now I wonder what axe they have to grind with climate protestors?

Which bit did you disagree with?

[Sheaf Saint]

Which bit did you disagree with?

 

All of it really.

 

I've had a little involvement at a local level in environmental protests, and the description of these people given in this article is completely inaccurate. It's nothing but a transparent attempt to dismiss their concerns and demonise them by the propaganda arm of the big oil lobby.

[shurlock]

All of it really.

 

I've had a little involvement at a local level in environmental protests, and the description of these people given in this article is completely inaccurate. It's nothing but a transparent attempt to dismiss their concerns and demonise them by the propaganda arm of the big oil lobby.

 

Nobody takes spiked seriously especially after their funding sources have emerged -that is, except the dullards who don’t mind reading the same cookie-cutter outrage pieces everyday.

[Lighthouse]

Was it assault? No

Does he deserve to be suspended? No

Was it necessary on his part? No

Was it a sensible thing to do from a political PR POV? Also no

 

Storm in a tea cup - not really news.

[Manuel]

The woman wasn't invited and was there to cause trouble. Thought he ejected her rather well.

[OldNick]

Ive seen opposing supporters in the home end treated much worse than that. It was a bit too rough, but I assume he had had a few glasses of wine and so common sense had left him a bit.

As for environment lobbyists, I would think that ANY who go on foreign holidays by using air or sea travel should take a good hard look at their own lifestyle before lecturing anyone else.

Its always easy to blame business but if people didnt have ther holidays abroad that would lead to massive reductions in air travel etc etc etc

[hypochondriac]

All of it really.

 

I've had a little involvement at a local level in environmental protests, and the description of these people given in this article is completely inaccurate. It's nothing but a transparent attempt to dismiss their concerns and demonise them by the propaganda arm of the big oil lobby.

There's almost no description of the people themselves in the snippet I posted other than calling them entitled, rather it was the media portrayal of them and the people shrieking on social media and they are entirely correct. Edited 21 June, 2019 by hypochondriac

[shurlock]

Ive seen opposing supporters in the home end treated much worse than that. It was a bit too rough, but I assume he had had a few glasses of wine and so common sense had left him a bit.

As for environment lobbyists, I would think that ANY who go on foreign holidays by using air or sea travel should take a good hard look at their own lifestyle before lecturing anyone else.

Its always easy to blame business but if people didnt have ther holidays abroad that would lead to massive reductions in air travel etc etc etc

 

You think the situations are analogous?

[OldNick]

You think the situations are analogous?

No not similar but if I went into the oppositions section I would expect aggression, go into a private meeting that is quite important I would also expect aggression.

If he had punched her then I would expect correctly real outrage but being shoved is hardly the worst someone could expect

[Sheaf Saint]

There's almost no description of the people themselves in the snippet I posted, rather it was the media portrayal of them and the people shrieking on social media and they are entirely correct.

 

I meant their description of climate protestors in general, such as:

 

Green protesters can do whatever the hell they like

They have become almost gods in the political pantheon

They are treated as dispensers of humanity-saving wisdom that the rest of us must slavishly listen to

Refuse to do that and you are a ‘denier’ of their gospel truth

 

Like I said, none of that applies to any that I have ever met. It's just an obviously biased opinion piece written by someone in the pay of the big oil-funded, global climate science denial network. They most certainly are not 'entirely correct'.

[hypochondriac]

No not similar but if I went into the oppositions section I would expect aggression, go into a private meeting that is quite important I would also expect aggression.

If he had punched her then I would expect correctly real outrage but being shoved is hardly the worst someone could expect

He was clumsy and foolish but his intention was clearly to remove her quickly rather than to cause injury. I doubt it will matter though with the usual outrage mob.

[Sheaf Saint]

He was clumsy and foolish but his intention was clearly to remove her quickly rather than to cause injury. I doubt it will matter though with the usual outrage mob.

 

She's already said she won't be pressing charges, so this story will just fizzle out anyway.

[hypochondriac]

I meant their description of climate protestors in general, such as:

 

Green protesters can do whatever the hell they like

They have become almost gods in the political pantheon

They are treated as dispensers of humanity-saving wisdom that the rest of us must slavishly listen to

Refuse to do that and you are a ‘denier’ of their gospel truth

 

Like I said, none of that applies to any that I have ever met. It's just an obviously biased opinion piece written by someone in the pay of the big oil-funded, global climate science denial network. They most certainly are not 'entirely correct'.

 

Again that's describing how climate protestor are treated by large sections of the media and social media and that snippet I posted says very little about the protestor themselves so you've obviously misread it. It's describing how they are treated by certain people and its undoubtedly true that they are treated very differently from other types of protestors that aren't viewed as socially acceptable.

Edited 21 June, 2019 by hypochondriac

[hypochondriac]

She's already said she won't be pressing charges, so this story will just fizzle out anyway.

Laughable that that was even suggested as a possibility. The fact that someone can just trespass into an event and then even discuss pressing charges when they are forcibly removed illustrates the sense of entitlement perfectly.

[Sheaf Saint]

Laughable that that was even suggested as a possibility. The fact that someone can just trespass into an event and then even discuss pressing charges when they are forcibly removed illustrates the sense of entitlement perfectly.

 

In fairness, she was probably just responding to the question "Will you be pressing charges?" by a reporter.

[shurlock]

No not similar but if I went into the oppositions section I would expect aggression, go into a private meeting that is quite important I would also expect aggression.

If he had punched her then I would expect correctly real outrage but being shoved is hardly the worst someone could expect

 

A complete nonsequitur pal. Dont say they're different then go on and compare them again

 

Either way, it was a woman, not a bloke who's usually resisting or even throwing punches back (as I well know from sitting in the row right below the boxes in the Itchen North).

 

While some of the reactions have been overblown (see Owen Jones latest gem), the guy comes across as a cnt who lost his rag and lashed out. He could have easily stood up, blocked her path and ended things there and then. No sympathy whatsoever.

Edited 21 June, 2019 by shurlock

[Sheaf Saint]

Again that's describing how climate protestor are treated by large sections of the media and social media and that snippet I posted says very little about the protestor themselves so you've obviously misread it. It's describing how they are treated by certain people and its undoubtedly true that they are treated very differently from other types of protestors that aren't viewed as socially acceptable.

 

Okay I see your point.

 

But if you're looking for a reasoned, objective opinion of climate activism from Spiked, then you really shouldn't be. It has no credibility whatsoever.

[hypochondriac]

Okay I see your point.

 

But if you're looking for a reasoned, objective opinion of climate activism from Spiked, then you really shouldn't be. It has no credibility whatsoever.

It's an opinion piece that highlights the fact that climate protestors are held to a different standard than other protestor simply because some parts of the media and woke individuals on twitter consider them infallible. I don't think an opinion like that lacks credibility personally, it's undoubtedly true.

[shurlock]

It's an opinion piece that highlights the fact that climate protestors are held to a different standard than other protestor simply because some parts of the media and woke individuals on twitter consider them infallible. I don't think an opinion like that lacks credibility personally, it's undoubtedly true.

 

I like the patronising disdain in "their gospel truth". You don't think some causes are objectively more important than others? And I thought we were all against postmodern moral relativism.

[hypochondriac]

Okay I see your point.

 

But if you're looking for a reasoned, objective opinion of climate activism from Spiked, then you really shouldn't be. It has no credibility whatsoever.

Additionally, I reckon spiked did a pretty good job of refuting the Koch brothers hit piece from the Guardian. See here:

 

https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/12/03/the-new-mccarthyism-is-ruining-public-life/amp/

[Sheaf Saint]

It's an opinion piece that highlights the fact that climate protestors are held to a different standard than other protestor simply because some parts of the media and woke individuals on twitter consider them infallible. I don't think an opinion like that lacks credibility personally, it's undoubtedly true.

 

Who does?

[ecuk268]

https://newsthump.com/2019/06/21/tory-minister-leaps-into-action-to-bravely-grab-throat-of-woman-threatening-to-use-words-he-didnt-like/

[Sheaf Saint]

Additionally, I reckon spiked did a pretty good job of refuting the Koch brothers hit piece from the Guardian. See here:

 

https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/12/03/the-new-mccarthyism-is-ruining-public-life/amp/

 

A pretty good job? Are you being serious?

 

It's just a massive deflection, which then goes on to admit that they are indeed funded by Koch Industries under the guise of some apparently noble project to promote tolerance and free speech.

 

F*ck me Hypo. I suppose next you're going to tell me that you believe the Taxpayers Alliance really are just an independent group of disgruntled taxpayers?

 

Edit: Here's a little more insight into the motives of the Koch Foundation, which funds Spiked...

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2014/11/07/charles-koch-foundations-unique-definition-of-academic-freedom/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f0d98fa4354e

Edited 21 June, 2019 by Sheaf Saint

[hypochondriac]

A pretty good job? Are you being serious?

 

It's just a massive deflection, which then goes on to admit that they are indeed funded by Koch Industries under the guise of some apparently noble project to promote tolerance and free speech.

 

F*ck me Hypo. I suppose next you're going to tell me that you believe the Taxpayers Alliance really are just an independent group of disgruntled taxpayers?

 

Edit: Here's a little more insight into the motives of the Koch Foundation, which funds Spiked...

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2014/11/07/charles-koch-foundations-unique-definition-of-academic-freedom/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f0d98fa4354e

When you say "funded" you mean given 300k for a specific purpose? So not really funded at all then.

 

I certainly won't be dismissing everything ever written as lacking in credibility due to a donation like this, just as I wouldn't dismiss everything witten by certain organisations just because someone like Soros has propped them up with millions.

Edited 21 June, 2019 by hypochondriac

[doddisalegend]

Mr Field is all up for helping women feel safe and protected and have the right to speak freely

 

“The UK remains committed to helping women all over the world to feel safe and protected in the work they do, so they can speak freely and be part of the change we all want. My remarks at the Westminster Hall Debate on Women Human Rights Defenders.”

Mark Field MP, Foreign office minister, 9 May 2019

[Lord Duckhunter]

He should have threatened her with a bar of soap, she’d have soon ****ed off. Ugly bint needs to get a life.

 

 

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[Cabbage_Face]

The enviro-******s **** me off, we are well past point of no return (thank our parents generation) so shut up and enjoy the warmth and mental weather.

 

 

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[shurlock]

He should have threatened her with a bar of soap, she’d have soon ****ed off. Ugly bint needs to get a life.

 

 

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Good lad.

[whelk]

He should have threatened her with a bar of soap, she’d have soon ****ed off. Ugly bint needs to get a life.

 

 

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Women clearly scare you. Btw it’s 2019 it is ok to prefer boys.

[Cabbage_Face]

Women clearly scare you. Btw it’s 2019 it is ok to prefer boys.

 

Says the man who only watches women’s sports to get kicks.

 

Typical caveman.

 

i**** 8

 

 

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[Lord Duckhunter]

Women clearly scare you. Btw it’s 2019 it is ok to prefer boys.

 

That 9 pinter did scare me, I bet she’s got hairy armpits and cat.

 

I’m not gay, but my boyfriend is.

 

 

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