Theresa May and the death of the Tory Party

[shurlock]

Oh for the days when Johnny Major, Hestletine, Patten & Clarke we’re in Government. Those were the halcyon days, when the Europhile pinkos were in charge. Of course, after a full term of those wet planks, a record defeat and 13 years of opposition followed. Cameron, another sopping wet pinko, couldn’t even win a majority against Gordon ****ing Brown, and only just scraped home (solely because of the referendum promise) against Ed Milliband. A proper Tory with proper Tory policies will win a landslide against Jezza, no bother.

 

 

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So you conveniently forget the years in the political wilderness when under the likes of IDS, the Tories shifted to the right? That Cameron and co were a response to the unpopularity of those leaders and their brand of conservatism -and hey presto it got them elected? Can always count on you for a history lesson

Edited 20 May, 2019 by shurlock

[The Kraken]

I always wondered what type of person would pay money to join the Brexit party.

 

Now I know. Makes sense.

[Wes Tender]

I always wondered what type of person would pay money to join the Brexit party.

 

Now I know. Makes sense.

 

You always wondered? What, you always wondered for the past three months?

[Sheaf Saint]

Leaving on the 7th June then.

 

That's just what the country needs right now isn't it - another Tory leadership contest

[doddisalegend]

Leaving on the 7th June then.

 

That's just what the country needs right now isn't it - another Tory leadership contest

They're going to put that absolute bellend Boris in charge (no doubt with Rees-Mogg pulling all the strings in the back ground) and **** themselves for years.

 

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[Whitey Grandad]

I always wondered what type of person would pay money to join the Brexit party.

 

Now I know. Makes sense.

 

You can’t join the Brexit Party. All you can do is give it money as a ‘supporter’.

 

Your wonder has now got even bigger.

[whelk]

Have to have a heart of stone not to be blubbing now

 

[hypochondriac]

Face for radio.

[whelk]

Face for radio.

 

Farage is one of the ugliest faces I have ever seen. Weird inbred fcker

[benjii]

Farage looks like a cross between a frog, a sausage and a royal.

[ashnats]

Have to have a heart of stone not to be blubbing now

 

 

She should have gone ages ago, and she is completely deluded. She's proud of the last 3 years, when she should be apologising for them. After Gina Miller won her case and this all had to go through parliament, followed by calling a general election which weakened her side, she should have immediately started looking for a compromise solution that could pass both sides. She's overseen a complete and utter **** up of unbelievable incompetence.

 

That she's upset is a shame for any human, but ffs, she really brought it on herself, she should have resigned several **** ups ago.

[hypochondriac]

Farage is one of the ugliest faces I have ever seen. Weird inbred fcker

He looks really similar to a mate of mine. It's very amusing.

[benjii]

He looks really similar to a mate of mine. It's very amusing.

 

Haha - poor bastard.

[buctootim]

She should have gone ages ago, and she is completely deluded. She's proud of the last 3 years, when she should be apologising for them. After Gina Miller won her case and this all had to go through parliament, followed by calling a general election which weakened her side, she should have immediately started looking for a compromise solution that could pass both sides. She's overseen a complete and utter **** up of unbelievable incompetence.

 

That she's upset is a shame for any human, but ffs, she really brought it on herself, she should have resigned several **** ups ago.

 

Bit brutal but hard to disagree. She should have looked for cross party compromise from the outset. Her red lines just allowed unrealistic expectations to become "real Brexit". The next PM will be crucified by them too.

[Sheaf Saint]

That she's upset is a shame for any human

 

She'll get no sympathy from me. Where were her tears for the victims of Grenfell Tower? For the Windrush Generation? For the thousands of people who have died as a direct result of her party's austerity measures? For the millions of kids plunged into poverty? For the huge jump in the number of homeless people?

 

No, the only tears she can manage are those of self-pity because she has to leave number 10.

 

A truly f*cking despicable woman who will go down in history as the second worst PM this country has ever had, behind whichever of the deranged extremists they choose to replace her.

[buctootim]

She'll get no sympathy from me. Where were her tears for the victims of Grenfell Tower? For the Windrush Generation? For the thousands of people who have died as a direct result of her party's austerity measures? For the millions of kids plunged into poverty? For the huge jump in the number of homeless people?

 

No, the only tears she can manage are those of self-pity because she has to leave number 10.

 

A truly f*cking despicable woman who will go down in history as the second worst PM this country has ever had, behind whichever of the deranged extremists they choose to replace her.

 

I've just reread the Tory 2017 manifesto (yeah its a slow day). There is actually quite a lot of admirable social policy and warm words in it. Only fly in the ointment is, they didn't implement any of it, or even try.

Edited 24 May, 2019 by buctootim

[Whitey Grandad]

Have to have a heart of stone not to be blubbing now

 

 

I am reminded of Oscar Wilde:

 

"One must have a heart of stone to read the death of little Nell without laughing.”

[saint1977]

She'll get no sympathy from me. Where were her tears for the victims of Grenfell Tower? For the Windrush Generation? For the thousands of people who have died as a direct result of her party's austerity measures? For the millions of kids plunged into poverty? For the huge jump in the number of homeless people?

 

No, the only tears she can manage are those of self-pity because she has to leave number 10.

 

A truly f*cking despicable woman who will go down in history as the second worst PM this country has ever had, behind whichever of the deranged extremists they choose to replace her.

 

Broadly agree, especially on Windrush and the Home Office, although I rate Cameron as the worst PM of all time. Coward who created all of this mess and then wimped off in a sulk after the referendum. A lot of the austerity and cuts, like the referendum, she inherited from him and the scary thing is the work on the Whitehall grapevine about on this is that Cameron wanted to go even further but Osborne, Cable and Clegg talked him out of it (although there may be some revisionist self-interest from some of the information sources of course).

 

I don't think her red lines helped with Brexit at all and as Chamberlain learned, you should never pander to far right extremism, whether in your cabinet, backbenches, other parties or the media. If you do, the other lesson of history is that as with 1945-85, you let the far left in the back door.

 

Next Tory leader will somehow have to get something through the Commons on Brexit, GE and then needs a Militant Tendancy style purge of the MPs and membership to kick the extremist gammon out and attract a new generation of members and voters. Presuming they win, somebody else in the Labour Party is going to have to do a Kinnock on Momentum as well.

 

Fasten your seatbelts folks.

[saint1977]

Broadly agree, especially on Windrush and the Home Office, although I rate Cameron as the worst PM of all time. Coward who created all of this mess and then wimped off in a sulk after the referendum. A lot of the austerity and cuts, like the referendum, she inherited from him and the scary thing is the work on the Whitehall grapevine about on this is that Cameron wanted to go even further but Osborne, Cable and Clegg talked him out of it (although there may be some revisionist self-interest from some of the information sources of course).

 

I don't think her red lines helped with Brexit at all and as Chamberlain learned, you should never pander to far right extremism, whether in your cabinet, backbenches, other parties or the media. If you do, the other lesson of history is that as with 1945-85, you let the far left in the back door.

 

Next Tory leader will somehow have to get something through the Commons on Brexit, GE and then needs a Militant Tendancy style purge of the MPs and membership to kick the extremist gammon out and attract a new generation of members and voters. Presuming they win, somebody else in the Labour Party is going to have to do a Kinnock on Momentum as well.

 

Fasten your seatbelts folks.

 

For clarification, I mean the new Tory leader winning a GE, and then the inquest in Labour will start after that as with the mid-80s.

[badgerx16]

To quote Malcolm Tucker

"Come on, this is ****ing history in the making, right, this is the ending of a chapter of a very thin book that nobody enjoyed reading."

[shurlock]

To quote Malcolm Tucker

"Come on, this is ****ing history in the making, right, this is the ending of a chapter of a very thin book that nobody enjoyed reading."

 

[Wes Tender]

I don't think her red lines helped with Brexit at all and as Chamberlain learned, you should never pander to far right extremism, whether in your cabinet, backbenches, other parties or the media. If you do, the other lesson of history is that as with 1945-85, you let the far left in the back door.

 

Next Tory leader will somehow have to get something through the Commons on Brexit, GE and then needs a Militant Tendancy style purge of the MPs and membership to kick the extremist gammon out and attract a new generation of members and voters. Presuming they win, somebody else in the Labour Party is going to have to do a Kinnock on Momentum as well.

 

Fasten your seatbelts folks.

 

You really are an idiot if you believe that those attempting to deliver on the wishes of the electorate expressed in a referendum are far right extremists. I realise judging by your labelling that it won't resonate with your thought processes, but those MPs are the true democrats, whereas the ones representing the majority of constituencies who voted for Brexit and then refused to implement that decision to leave the EU are the ones worthy of the utmost contempt. Your far right labelling looks even more ridiculous when the Brexit vote encompassed the Tory Shires and the Blue Collar Labour industrial heartlands.

 

Your mention of Chamberlain in this connection is absurd.

 

In any negotiation there needs to be red lines, boundaries over which one party or the other will not cross. Furthermore, even the most inexperienced negotiator knows rule one; be prepared to walk away from a bad deal, and make it very clear that you are prepared to do that. May was so useless that she gave ground on her red lines without the EU conceding on theirs and then having allowed no deal to be taken off the table, we signalled that we were prepared to accept vassal colony status.

 

Good riddance. With luck, the new Tory leader will purge the cabinet of Hammond, Rudd, Gauke and Clark.

[shurlock]

You really are an idiot if you believe that those attempting to deliver on the wishes of the electorate expressed in a referendum are far right extremists. I realise judging by your labelling that it won't resonate with your thought processes, but those MPs are the true democrats, whereas the ones representing the majority of constituencies who voted for Brexit and then refused to implement that decision to leave the EU are the ones worthy of the utmost contempt. Your far right labelling looks even more ridiculous when the Brexit vote encompassed the Tory Shires and the Blue Collar Labour industrial heartlands.

 

Your mention of Chamberlain in this connection is absurd.

 

In any negotiation there needs to be red lines, boundaries over which one party or the other will not cross. Furthermore, even the most inexperienced negotiator knows rule one; be prepared to walk away from a bad deal, and make it very clear that you are prepared to do that. May was so useless that she gave ground on her red lines without the EU conceding on theirs and then having allowed no deal to be taken off the table, we signalled that we were prepared to accept vassal colony status.

 

Good riddance. With luck, the new Tory leader will purge the cabinet of Hammond, Rudd, Gauke and Clark.

 

You’re playing your little game again Les. Trying to pass off your narrow, sectarian vision of Brexit as the one true Brexit. Remember many of your fellow headbangers voted against the WA which like it or not delivers on the referendum result and would have ensured the UK left the EU. Are they worthy of the upmost contempt too?

 

Sadly every one of your fundamentalist assumptions critical to the supposed ability to walk away -how the EU needed a deal more than the UK, how the UK could play off member states against each other, how the EU would fold in the face of lobbying from car manufacturers and prosecco makers- has been shown to be utter bunkum. It’s pretty clear you’re not the brightest bulb in the chandelier but even you must recognise that repeating same mantras and doing the same things is unlikely to deliver different results.

Edited 24 May, 2019 by shurlock

[whelk]

You really are an idiot if you believe that those attempting to deliver on the wishes of the electorate expressed in a referendum are far right extremists. I realise judging by your labelling that it won't resonate with your thought processes, but those MPs are the true democrats, whereas the ones representing the majority of constituencies who voted for Brexit and then refused to implement that decision to leave the EU are the ones worthy of the utmost contempt. Your far right labelling looks even more ridiculous when the Brexit vote encompassed the Tory Shires and the Blue Collar Labour industrial heartlands.

 

Your mention of Chamberlain in this connection is absurd.

 

In any negotiation there needs to be red lines, boundaries over which one party or the other will not cross. Furthermore, even the most inexperienced negotiator knows rule one; be prepared to walk away from a bad deal, and make it very clear that you are prepared to do that. May was so useless that she gave ground on her red lines without the EU conceding on theirs and then having allowed no deal to be taken off the table, we signalled that we were prepared to accept vassal colony status.

 

Good riddance. With luck, the new Tory leader will purge the cabinet of Hammond, Rudd, Gauke and Clark.

 

You really are a plum. ‘True democrats’ ha. Although presumably you have had a hard on all day grinning and not come down yet from your excitement of your £25 party success.

[RedArmy]

She'll get no sympathy from me. Where were her tears for the victims of Grenfell Tower? For the Windrush Generation? For the thousands of people who have died as a direct result of her party's austerity measures? For the millions of kids plunged into poverty? For the huge jump in the number of homeless people?

 

No, the only tears she can manage are those of self-pity because she has to leave number 10.

1) See David Schneider’s tweet.

2)Copy

3)Paste

4)Change the words around a little bit so nobody notices

[Wes Tender]

You’re playing your little game again Les. Trying to pass off your narrow, sectarian vision of Brexit as the one true Brexit. Remember many of your fellow headbangers voted against the WA which like it or not delivers on the referendum result and would have ensured the UK left the EU. Are they worthy of the upmost contempt too?

 

Sadly every one of your fundamentalist assumptions critical to the supposed ability to walk away -how the EU needed a deal more than the UK, how the UK could play off member states against each other, how the EU would fold in the face of lobbying from car manufacturers and prosecco makers- has been shown to be utter bunkum. It’s pretty clear you’re not the brightest bulb in the chandelier but even you must recognise that repeating same mantras and doing the same things is unlikely to deliver different results.

 

You're not taking these events of the past couple of days very well, are you, Shurlock? That's always evident when you indulge in the name-calling and the petty insults.

 

This repeating the same mantra and doing the same thing expecting a different result; wasn't that what eventually brought down May with her repeated adherence to the Withdrawal Agreement?

 

And you talk as if you're not like a stuck record yourself with your persistent remoaner claptrap over the past three years. In case it had escaped your attention, under May, we haven't even begun discussing a free trade deal with the EU yet, so German Car manufacturers, Italian Wine producers, French cheese makers haven't needed to bring much pressure to bear yet, so long as no deal was taken off the table by May.

[CB Fry]

"Do not waste this time".

[shurlock]

You're not taking these events of the past couple of days very well, are you, Shurlock? That's always evident when you indulge in the name-calling and the petty insults.

 

This repeating the same mantra and doing the same thing expecting a different result; wasn't that what eventually brought down May with her repeated adherence to the Withdrawal Agreement?

 

And you talk as if you're not like a stuck record yourself with your persistent remoaner claptrap over the past three years. In case it had escaped your attention, under May, we haven't even begun discussing a free trade deal with the EU yet, so German Car manufacturers, Italian Wine producers, French cheese makers haven't needed to bring much pressure to bear yet, so long as no deal was taken off the table by May.

 

I’m fine Les and priced this in a long time ago - lets see how the remain vote, split as it is across various parties, totals and compares with the vote of the Brexit party before getting too carried away.

 

You realise you have plenty in common with the more strident remainers - perhaps in some respects more than I do. See I was willing to accept May’s WA that honoured and delivered on the referendum, not because it’s my preferred option but because some of us are capable of compromise.

 

As far for your breathless, incomprehensible last para (there were plenty of opportunities for industry to bring pressure on the EU -for instance, to get it to soften its stance on the backstop), let’s see how a ‘true’ Brexiteer fares (should they become PM). I can’t wait to see Johnson or Raab go to Brussels and attempt to renegotiate Brexit, threatening to leave with no deal on October 31. Let’s see what excuse you conjure up when Brussels again holds firm. You don’t have many left pal

Edited 24 May, 2019 by shurlock

[Baird of the land]

What a depressing notion it is that an extremist like Johnson is favorite to become pm.

[Batman]

What a depressing notion it is that an extremist like Johnson is favorite to become pm.

 

one thing is for sure.

extremist and fascist are terms completely skewed in this country

[saint1977]

You really are an idiot if you believe that those attempting to deliver on the wishes of the electorate expressed in a referendum are far right extremists. I realise judging by your labelling that it won't resonate with your thought processes, but those MPs are the true democrats, whereas the ones representing the majority of constituencies who voted for Brexit and then refused to implement that decision to leave the EU are the ones worthy of the utmost contempt. Your far right labelling looks even more ridiculous when the Brexit vote encompassed the Tory Shires and the Blue Collar Labour industrial heartlands.

 

Your mention of Chamberlain in this connection is absurd.

 

In any negotiation there needs to be red lines, boundaries over which one party or the other will not cross. Furthermore, even the most inexperienced negotiator knows rule one; be prepared to walk away from a bad deal, and make it very clear that you are prepared to do that. May was so useless that she gave ground on her red lines without the EU conceding on theirs and then having allowed no deal to be taken off the table, we signalled that we were prepared to accept vassal colony status.

 

Good riddance. With luck, the new Tory leader will purge the cabinet of Hammond, Rudd, Gauke and Clark.

 

Someone's rattled! NI voted overwhelmingly to remain yet the DUP are Brexiteers. Those people voted for it because of anger at the banking crisis, the injustices from that as not dealt with by Brown or Cameron, coupled with Cameron's lunatic austerity (we're spending too much as a repeated lie, it can't be because our donors have been reckless and corrupt can it?). Those communities - the industrial heartlands promised a government of the makers (Osborne) and the shires (as badly stripped of services as those industrial areas) - took the worst of the brunt of the cuts. Funnily enough, they've also voted Brexit in the largest numbers. Some would have done out of nationalist reasons but it explains some of the anger. Juncker or Barnier didn't cut those services, Cameron did out of ideological dogma. You can't run away from that fact sonny I'm afraid.

 

As for negotiation, we are still waiting for those German car makers and Italian Prosecco firms to beat down our door. You surely cannot be so stupid that you actually believe Farage that the EU is going to batter down the door a moment after WTO (I won't even go into the stupidities of that) for a blockbuster free trade deal? The same claims about Nissan and Honda were made, that it didn't matter about Brexit that they'd still be producing cars here without frictionless trade.

 

As for a purge on Hammond and Clark - lol, two of the few decent performing cabinet members. Who are you going to replace them with?

 

- Fox; what is it, 3 trade deals ready to roll over? Faroe Islands....

- Grayling; commonly regarded as the worst cabinet minister ever...

- Boris; the worst Foreign Secretary. Looks like Apparently very little work ethic and attention to detail. Could be PM in two weeks...fab if you are Charles Moore as nasty Boris mght not belittle him any longer at the DT

- Davis - didn't even bother to attend most of the Brexit negotiations allegedly. Steven Davis is better qualified

- Mordaunt - go and have a look on the PTS thread pal

- Leadsom; even thicker than you are

 

As a remainer, I'm happy to be on the same side as Philip Hammond, Ken Clarke, Vince Cable, Greg Clark, Heidi Allen rather than Mark Francois, Steve Baker, Boris, Chope, Nick Griffin, Robinson, Farage, and Batten. Not all leave voters are racist but all of the racists were leavers. Farage can deny it, but that poster he grinned in front of, plus his views on the NHS and a range of other topics deserve exposure. Proud my family brought me up to stay away from people like that and that a peaceful Europe is a good one.

 

Oh, and before you call someone an idiot and immedaitely make it personal, do make sure your qualifications can cut it when challenged...

[Unbelievable Jeff]

You're not taking these events of the past couple of days very well, are you, Shurlock? That's always evident when you indulge in the name-calling and the petty insults.

 

This repeating the same mantra and doing the same thing expecting a different result; wasn't that what eventually brought down May with her repeated adherence to the Withdrawal Agreement?

 

And you talk as if you're not like a stuck record yourself with your persistent remoaner claptrap over the past three years. In case it had escaped your attention, under May, we haven't even begun discussing a free trade deal with the EU yet, so German Car manufacturers, Italian Wine producers, French cheese makers haven't needed to bring much pressure to bear yet, so long as no deal was taken off the table by May.

 

The deal is for an interim period. You don't seem to recognise this, and it's something we've tried to get you to realise over and over. There is nothing to negotiate - it is current terms (as per the WA), or WTO terms on a no withdrawal agreement UNTIL a deal is negotiated.

 

We are not negotiating a deal, we are negotiating our withdrawal. Until we have signed and started that withdrawal, there is no pressure to bring by those industries, unless for the backstop (which no-one has a solution for).

 

I am aghast that we are having to explain this again.

Edited 24 May, 2019 by Unbelievable Jeff

[Batman]

 

As a remainer, I'm happy to be on the same side as Philip Hammond, Ken Clarke, Vince Cable, Greg Clark, Heidi Allen rather than Mark Francois, Steve Baker, Boris, Chope, Nick Griffin, Robinson, Farage, and Batten. Not all leave voters are racist but all of the racists were leavers. Farage can deny it, but that poster he grinned in front of, plus his views on the NHS and a range of other topics deserve exposure. Proud my family brought me up to stay away from people like that and that a peaceful Europe is a good one.

 

Oh, and before you call someone an idiot and immedaitely make it personal, do make sure your qualifications can cut it when challenged...

 

source?

as could have sworn dianne abbott voted remain.

Edited 24 May, 2019 by Batman

[RedArmy]

source?

as could have sworn dianne abbott voted remain.

And Lammy

[Lord Duckhunter]

What a depressing notion it is that an extremist like Johnson is favorite to become pm.

 

For god’s sake, is that the level of political commentary we’ve reached now. Voted Brexit=extremist. There’s nothing extreme about Boris, take away Brexit and he’s more in common with the Hammond’s, Rudd’s & Clarke’s of the party then JRM or Steve Baker. He’s socially & economically a pinko, that’s how he managed to win 2 terms as mayor of a leftie city.

[Lord Duckhunter]

The country is in safe hands now, us members will choose the best man for the job.

Edited 24 May, 2019 by Lord Duckhunter

[badgerx16]

I loved the slip on R5 by the Tory backbencher, when asked about the possible new leaders he blurted "Oh God, not Gove", before continuing with " Ahh, that didn't sound good, did it ?"

[buctootim]

The country is in safe hands now, us members will choose the best man for the job.

 

Cant wait. You'll elect a fruitcake who will bomb at the next election and we'll get a Labour / SNP / liberal coalition.

[Cabbage_Face]

She'll get no sympathy from me. Where were her tears for the victims of Grenfell Tower? For the Windrush Generation? For the thousands of people who have died as a direct result of her party's austerity measures? For the millions of kids plunged into poverty? For the huge jump in the number of homeless people?

 

No, the only tears she can manage are those of self-pity because she has to leave number 10.

 

A truly f*cking despicable woman who will go down in history as the second worst PM this country has ever had, behind whichever of the deranged extremists they choose to replace her.

 

It’s what I look for in a leader, crying every time something bad happens.

 

No wonder people like Corbyn get a platform.

 

 

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[RedArmy]

Cant wait. You'll elect a fruitcake who will bomb at the next election and we'll get a Labour / SNP / liberal coalition.

Brexit jihadist?

[doddisalegend]

The country is in safe hands now, us members will choose the best man for the job.

 

[doddisalegend]

The country is in safe hands now, us members will choose the best man for the job.

 

[Wes Tender]

The deal is for an interim period. You don't seem to recognise this, and it's something we've tried to get you to realise over and over. There is nothing to negotiate - it is current terms (as per the WA), or WTO terms on a no withdrawal agreement UNTIL a deal is negotiated.

 

We are not negotiating a deal, we are negotiating our withdrawal. Until we have signed and started that withdrawal, there is no pressure to bring by those industries, unless for the backstop (which no-one has a solution for).

 

I am aghast that we are having to explain this again.

There was absolutely no reason at all why we couldn't have insisted on discussing our trade arrangements simultaneously with the Withdrawal Agreement. The Maybot was totally spineless in letting Barnier set the agenda as to how the talks would proceed. Had a FTA been negotiated from the start, then the likelihood was that the problems of the Irish border wouldn't have been a problem. I am aghast that you don't realise this. Or perhaps you do realise it, but choose not to accept it.

[Wes Tender]

Someone's rattled! NI voted overwhelmingly to remain yet the DUP are Brexiteers. Those people voted for it because of anger at the banking crisis, the injustices from that as not dealt with by Brown or Cameron, coupled with Cameron's lunatic austerity (we're spending too much as a repeated lie, it can't be because our donors have been reckless and corrupt can it?). Those communities - the industrial heartlands promised a government of the makers (Osborne) and the shires (as badly stripped of services as those industrial areas) - took the worst of the brunt of the cuts. Funnily enough, they've also voted Brexit in the largest numbers. Some would have done out of nationalist reasons but it explains some of the anger. Juncker or Barnier didn't cut those services, Cameron did out of ideological dogma. You can't run away from that fact sonny I'm afraid.

 

As for negotiation, we are still waiting for those German car makers and Italian Prosecco firms to beat down our door. You surely cannot be so stupid that you actually believe Farage that the EU is going to batter down the door a moment after WTO (I won't even go into the stupidities of that) for a blockbuster free trade deal? The same claims about Nissan and Honda were made, that it didn't matter about Brexit that they'd still be producing cars here without frictionless trade.

 

As for a purge on Hammond and Clark - lol, two of the few decent performing cabinet members. Who are you going to replace them with?

 

- Fox; what is it, 3 trade deals ready to roll over? Faroe Islands....

- Grayling; commonly regarded as the worst cabinet minister ever...

- Boris; the worst Foreign Secretary. Looks like Apparently very little work ethic and attention to detail. Could be PM in two weeks...fab if you are Charles Moore as nasty Boris mght not belittle him any longer at the DT

- Davis - didn't even bother to attend most of the Brexit negotiations allegedly. Steven Davis is better qualified

- Mordaunt - go and have a look on the PTS thread pal

- Leadsom; even thicker than you are

 

As a remainer, I'm happy to be on the same side as Philip Hammond, Ken Clarke, Vince Cable, Greg Clark, Heidi Allen rather than Mark Francois, Steve Baker, Boris, Chope, Nick Griffin, Robinson, Farage, and Batten. Not all leave voters are racist but all of the racists were leavers. Farage can deny it, but that poster he grinned in front of, plus his views on the NHS and a range of other topics deserve exposure. Proud my family brought me up to stay away from people like that and that a peaceful Europe is a good one.

 

Oh, and before you call someone an idiot and immedaitely make it personal, do make sure your qualifications can cut it when challenged...

 

You really are all over the place in response to a fairly short post suggesting that it is idiotic to label anybody wishing to Leave the EU as being far right extremists. We are treated to your little diatribe giving us the background to the reasons why people voted to leave, touching on the banking crisis and the broad sweep of economic policy by subsequent governments. Apparently, nobody voted to leave the EU because they wanted to regain control of our money, our laws and our borders, or you forgot to consider that in your rant.

 

Noted that you call me sonny. That must make you approaching your century, it being a term usually used by those a generation older. So how old are you? If under 50, it should be me calling you sonny.

 

Regarding the German Cars and Italian Prosecco, as already pointed out, we haven't even begun negotiating any sort of trade deal yet, three years after the vote to leave.

 

As for your remarks on the Cabinet, you'll not get much dissent from me. This is almost certainly the most incapable set of politicians in Parliament that I can remember in my lifetime. In the interests of balance, it must be said that the opposition is also incredibly poor, what with Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell, Thornberry, etc. The House is packed with MPs who have no experience of life outside the Westminster bubble. As far as I can see, The Brexit Party has a very good selection of able candidates who have a wealth of experience in business and commerce. Where would we be now had Ben Habib or even Richard Tice been negotiating for us instead of Ollie Robbins?

 

If you don't wish to considered an idiot, will you retract your ridiculous labelling of leave voters as far right extremists, racists, and gammons?

[CB Fry]

There was absolutely no reason at all why we couldn't have insisted on discussing our trade arrangements simultaneously with the Withdrawal Agreement. The Maybot was totally spineless in letting Barnier set the agenda as to how the talks would proceed. Had a FTA been negotiated from the start, then the likelihood was that the problems of the Irish border wouldn't have been a problem. I am aghast that you don't realise this. Or perhaps you do realise it, but choose not to accept it.

 

Davis went to Brussels promising "the battle of the summer" over sequencing and then capitulated immediately. Not May, uber-Brexiter Bulldog Davis.

 

The sequencing perfectly logical and eminently sensible from an EU perspective considering the utter balls-up the UK have made of it so far. Negotiation of withdrawal and FTA at the same time would have been an utter clusterfu ck of the UK having far too many variables to not make any decisions about. The EU have been skilled negotiation team, the UK not so much.

 

Any functioning FTA will include a compromise over Ireland, either total alignment and no border, a border down the Irish Sea (which, if No Deal happens, is the likeliest interim measure) or the imposition of border checks a la Switzerland and USA/Canada etc. So, no, it won't have made Ireland go away.

[benjii]

What a depressing notion it is that an extremist like Johnson is favorite to become pm.

 

He's not an extremist, he's an opportunist.

[Baird of the land]

There was absolutely no reason at all why we couldn't have insisted on discussing our trade arrangements simultaneously with the Withdrawal Agreement. The Maybot was totally spineless in letting Barnier set the agenda as to how the talks would proceed. Had a FTA been negotiated from the start, then the likelihood was that the problems of the Irish border wouldn't have been a problem. I am aghast that you don't realise this. Or perhaps you do realise it, but choose not to accept it.

 

Exactly the sort of rubbish that destroyed may. The Eu are in the stronger position so the uk can’t insist upon parallel discussions, which is quite rational imo too as look how long the negotiation on just these 3 issues because of unrealistic uk desires incompatible with their own red lines.

 

The problems with the Irish border won’t go away without staying in the single market.

[shurlock]

Davis went to Brussels promising "the battle of the summer" over sequencing and then capitulated immediately. Not May, uber-Brexiter Bulldog Davis.

 

The sequencing perfectly logical and eminently sensible from an EU perspective considering the utter balls-up the UK have made of it so far. Negotiation of withdrawal and FTA at the same time would have been an utter clusterfu ck of the UK having far too many variables to not make any decisions about. The EU have been skilled negotiation team, the UK not so much.

 

Any functioning FTA will include a compromise over Ireland, either total alignment and no border, a border down the Irish Sea (which, if No Deal happens, is the likeliest interim measure) or the imposition of border checks a la Switzerland and USA/Canada etc. So, no, it won't have made Ireland go away.

 

Exactly

[shurlock]

Have a lot of time for Rory Stewart. He’d be my choice for leader. Doubt he’ll go down with the swivels infesting the grassroots Tory membership though.

[OldNick]

As i have pointed ot before if you read the terms of leaving that we had signed up to the EU held all of the cards. Sadly the majority of Brexitteers thought that they could go to Dover wave the UJ and Europe would bow.

Iam a patriotic Englishman but understood that Europe has in the main beengood to us.

There is not a person in history who would get a deal to suit all parties, a compromise from all sides is needed but where will that come from. Sadly the majority of people do not really remember how rubbish England was in the 60's 70's and 80's until the wealth we generated from being in Europe made us a wealthy country again.

I also always thought that the BBC was very left but I was surprised how that they helped get the out vote bythe constant news programmes showing the immigrants from Africa in boats landing on the shores of Europe, making people fear a massive influx and it seemed we were powerless stopping them. The vote was over and you never hear about it again