Theresa May and the death of the Tory Party

[Sheaf Saint]

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/britain-eu-johnson-russian/

 

What's this? Boris has links to dodgy Russians trying to influence British politics?

 

I'm shocked!

[Nolan]

Everything old is new again.

 

From 2014

 

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/newcastle-based-russian-millionaire-alexander-temerko-7370497

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Happy Boris day everyone.

[Cabbage_Face]

LAD

[badgerx16]

I give him 'til Oct 31st.

[shurlock]

Great news.

 

Thanks to Les, LD and the other geriatric vandals for presaging the collapse of the tories (and a few extra quid for me with the fall in the £ over the past month or so).

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Welcome all, to a Corbyn led coalition, but more importantly, no Brexit.

[trousers]

[Unbelievable Jeff]

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I wonder if they rejected my paper - I wrote "c o c k" next to Boris's name.

[Cabbage_Face]

Here comes the dirt.

[aintforever]

Welcome all, to a Corbyn led coalition, but more importantly, no Brexit.

 

Hopefully

[Cabbage_Face]

Boris will do fine.

 

Just sad the press will dig up all sorts now

[Whitey Grandad]

I wonder if they rejected my paper - I wrote "c o c k" next to Boris's name.

 

That’s unlikely. They would have known exactly which candidate you meant.

[aintforever]

Boris will do fine.

 

Just sad the press will dig up all sorts now

 

Yeah it's a shame.

 

Maybe all negative stories about Boris should be banned so the press can focus carrying on the anti-semitism campaign against Corbyn?

[shurlock]

Boris will do fine.

 

Just sad the press will dig up all sorts now

 

How's he going to get rid of the backstop and improve on May's deal in a way that can get past Parliament pal? If not, we're heading for a GE and/or he's toast.

[Wes Tender]

Great news.

 

Thanks to Les, LD and the other geriatric vandals for presaging the collapse of the tories (and a few extra quid for me with the fall in the £ over the past month or so).

 

Suck it up, snowflake.

[shurlock]

Suck it up, snowflake.

 

I said its great news. I assume you can read pal (mindful it is harder than putting a cross in a box)

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Suck it up, snowflake.

 

As I said to you before - it's either WA or Jeremy Corbyn now you've helped to put BJ in charge. You must see that now, surely?

[shurlock]

A real brains trust on both sides of the Atlantic

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/ivanka-trump-congratulates-boris-johnson-as-new-pm-of-united-kingston-a4196511.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1563884879

[Cabbage_Face]

How's he going to get rid of the backstop and improve on May's deal in a way that can get past Parliament pal? If not, we're heading for a GE and/or he's toast.

 

I don't know, or do i care.

 

Seems to be alot of butthurt people about.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Happy Boris day everyone.

 

Glorious........

 

 

 

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[Sheaf Saint]

Glorious........

 

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Hold your horses - he's not guaranteed to become PM yet you know. With such a slender majority already, if enough MPs quit the party (as they have been threatening to do) before he gets the chance to visit her Maj and ask to form a government, then he won't be able to.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Hold your horses - he's not guaranteed to become PM yet you know. With such a slender majority already, if enough MPs quit the party (as they have been threatening to do) before he gets the chance to visit her Maj and ask to form a government, then he won't be able to.

 

Don't think they've been threatening to quit the party as such, more resign from cabinet positions.

[Trader]

R

Glorious........

 

 

 

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Gone back on that promise already, more’s the pity.

[badgerx16]

 

Tweedledum and Tweedledummer.

[Whitey Grandad]

R

 

Gone back on that promise already, more’s the pity.

 

He's not PM yet.

[sadoldgit]

It comes to something when Jeremy Hunt is the best option out if a choice of two. We now have two ****s in the most powerful positions in the world. God help us.

[doddisalegend]

It comes to something when Jeremy Hunt is the best option out if a choice of two. We now have two ****s in the most powerful positions in the world. God help us.

 

are you describing the PM of the UK as a "most powerful position in the world"....????

[Cabbage_Face]

It comes to something when Jeremy Hunt is the best option out if a choice of two. We now have two ****s in the most powerful positions in the world. God help us.

 

China and Japan's leaders seem alright.

[Nolan]

You have to laugh at those on the left who Underestimate Boris Johnson by equating him with Trump.

 

Their views on most things are competely opposite.

[OldNick]

How's he going to get rid of the backstop and improve on May's deal in a way that can get past Parliament pal? If not, we're heading for a GE and/or he's toast.

I read on a news feed that the Irish said last week that if there was a no deal that there would be a frictionless border, and so the thinking is that if they can accommodate that with a no deal they could with one.

So things may happen, we should all be keen for it to be

[Unbelievable Jeff]

You have to laugh at those on the left who Underestimate Boris Johnson by equating him with Trump.

 

Their views on most things are competely opposite.

 

I'll agree with you there, because Boris is a pinko leftie Remainer.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I read on a news feed that the Irish said last week that if there was a no deal that there would be a frictionless border, and so the thinking is that if they can accommodate that with a no deal they could with one.

So things may happen, we should all be keen for it to be

 

The Irish are preparing for it now. Maybe the threat of a no deal will actually bear some fruit now, in the most unlikely of ways.

[Batman]

 

https://twitter.com/jaredomaramp/status/1153742493034438656

[Trader]

He's not PM yet.

 

Bet she’s still here tomorrow - and the next day. You’ll see her on TV whingeing as usual before too long.

[Lord Duckhunter]

We’ve seen a glimpse of the approach he’ll take towards those damn Germans.

 

‘Ave it....

 

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[CB Fry]

Good luck to the centrist, social liberal one-nation Tory who voted in parliament for the withdrawal agreement.

[shurlock]

Edit

Edited 24 July, 2019 by shurlock

[badgerx16]

Boris is about to find out just how difficult to manage the Conservatives really are.

[shurlock]

Boris is about to find out just how difficult to manage the Conservatives really are.

 

Especially with Les, LD and the rest of the geriatric vandals breathing down his neck.

[shurlock]

Patel and Raab

 

Maybe someone should have a word with Johnson and let him know he’s appointing the Cabinet, not overseeing a competition for thinnest-skin cretin.

[whelk]

Headline tomorrow- Night of the Blonde knives?

[badgerx16]

Patel and Raab

 

Maybe someone should have a word with Johnson and let him know he’s appointing the Cabinet, not overseeing a competition for thinnest-skin cretin.

 

Priti Patel, who last year suggested that we might use the threat of food shortages to persuade Ireland to drop the backstop.

 

And at least Raab didn't get Transport.

Edited 24 July, 2019 by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

Gove is the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. Nobody asked us locals if we wanted him !

[Guided Missile]

QED. Game, set and match. Breakfast means breakfast.

 

There are two main premises in that argument:

 

i) GATT XXIV can be relied upon legally and it will be a simple process.

 

ii) The EU will agree.

 

Can we be sure about both of those, particularly ii)?

 

To revisit this, it appears to me that this will be the "deal" that get's us out of the EU on the 31st October. That is, use GATT Article XXIV. 5b to be exact, which states:

b) with respect to a free-trade area, or an interim agreement leading to the formation of a free-trade area, the duties and other regulations of commerce maintained in each of the constituent territories and applicable at the formation of such free-trade area or the adoption of such interim agreement to the trade of contracting parties not included in such area or not parties to such agreement shall not be higher or more restrictive than the corresponding duties and other regulations of commerce existing in the same constituent territories prior to the formation of the free-trade area, or interim agreement as the case may be.

As todays article in the Torygraph states:

Yes this needs the EU’s and the WTO’s agreement, for sure. Call this a ‘basic deal’. But it’s massively in the EU’s interest to agree, saving £13bn a year of tariffs on EU goods (UK only £5bn), and it’s precisely the kind of tariff free approach that the WTO exists to accomplish.

 

In Andrew Neil's interview with Boris Johnson, Neil (and Whitehall) claimed that:

5c can overturn 5b — but expert lawyers explain that this 5c applies only in the case of an ‘interim arrangement leading to the formation of a free trade area’. The phrase ‘interim agreement’ means more than the colloquial phrase - it has a very specific meaning under GATT Article XXIV. It refers to a case where two parties move gradually towards a free trade area with a plan and schedule of reducing tariffs over time. The EU used this very provision when it was first established as the EEC.But the UK and EU already have zero-tariff trade between them, which we merely seek to maintain, whilst replacing EU membership with a ‘SuperCanada’ style Free Trade Agreement and mini deals on non-trade areas. So 5c does not pertain. Boris was absolutely correct - 5b is sufficient and 5c is irrelevant.

So, job done....

[benjii]

To revisit this, it appears to me that this will be the "deal" that get's us out of the EU on the 31st October. That is, use GATT Article XXIV. 5b to be exact, which states:

 

As todays article in the Torygraph states:

 

 

In Andrew Neil's interview with Boris Johnson, Neil (and Whitehall) claimed that:

So, job done....

 

That doesn’t take anyone further forward. The premise is that the EU will agree to preserve the current arrangements on the basis that we are working towards an agreement reflecting the current arrangements. In other words, that they will agree to give us the trade benefits of membership. Has anyone, on the EU side, suggested that will happen?

[Guided Missile]

That doesn’t take anyone further forward. The premise is that the EU will agree to preserve the current arrangements on the basis that we are working towards an agreement reflecting the current arrangements. In other words, that they will agree to give us the trade benefits of membership. Has anyone, on the EU side, suggested that will happen?

The premise is that we operate on a simple FTA, not the current arrangements, such as the one proposed by Dr. Bartels, here, then move on to a super Canada arrangement, as already offered by the EU, in a couple of years.

[benjii]

The premise is that we operate on a simple FTA, not the current arrangements, such as the one proposed by Dr. Bartels, here, then move on to a super Canada arrangement, as already offered by the EU, in a couple of years.

 

But to rely on that:

 

- you need to know roughly what the FTA will look like

- you need to know that the FTA won’t be less beneficial than the current arrangements

 

In other words, it only works if they agree to give the benefits of membership, which they won’t.

[shurlock]

The premise is that we operate on a simple FTA, not the current arrangements, such as the one proposed by Dr. Bartels, here, then move on to a super Canada arrangement, as already offered by the EU, in a couple of years.

 

You’ve been taken for a ride pal (not for the first time). You are Brexit.