PaulSaint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I got hold of a list of all Saints Manager to date. This bit below is purely the managers we've had under Lowe together with their win percentages & origins. What I found interesting was: Souness was our first ever non English Manager (20 english in a row until then) Jan was in fact our first ever non British Manager What a good record Burley had ! Jan is higher than Nigel but worse than Redknapp who took us down Why o why did I fight against Hoddle coming back? 3 of the top 4 are Scots! The best and worst are both English. Graeme Souness (1996–1997) Scotland 29% Dave Jones (1997–2000) England 32% Glenn Hoddle (2000–2001) England 42% Stuart Gray (2001) England 31% Gordon Strachan (2001–2004) Scotland 35% Paul Sturrock (2004) Scotland 38% Steve Wigley (2004) England 14% Harry Redknapp (2004–2005) England 26% George Burley (2005–2008 ) Scotland 41% Nigel Pearson (2008 ) England 21% Jan Poortvliet (2008–present) Holland 25% Sorry if theres any mistakes, stats from web & percentages from windows calculator.
Mr X Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 there must be some mistake burley is the best and poorvliet isn't the worst......... never
Mr X Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 also its not very relevant because all managers were at the club for different periods
ladysaint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Its unfair to say NP is the worst manager as he only had fewer games other than Wigley.
ladysaint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Or Dodd and what about the other duo Bassett and Wise
Mole Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Its unfair to say NP is the worst manager as he only had fewer games other than Wigley. Pearson would never have worked out. just look what he's doing with Leicester.
ladysaint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I would rather be in their position than ours at the moment.
Alain Perrin Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 also its not very relevant because all managers were at the club for different periods Let me explain how percentages work....
Deano6 Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I sometimes forget that football wasn't invented until 1996. Well done on tracking down that list.
PaulSaint Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Posted 19 January, 2009 Sorry, the caretakers werent listed on the sites I visited. Here's some more for comparison: Ian Branfoot English 28% Ian Dowie English 42% Billy Davies Scotland 39% José Mourinho Portugal 68% Alex Ferguson Scotland 56% Micky Adams England 37% Oh and I take your points that other factors need to be born in mind!
PaulSaint Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Posted 19 January, 2009 One more "out of work" manager that I looked up: Roy Keane Ireland 42% Imagine him & Lowe having an argument!
Mr X Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Let me explain how percentages work.... Different periods as in different lengths in charge, as in you can't compare someone who had three months in charge with the record of somone who had a year and a half etc
Ponty Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I sometimes forget that football wasn't invented until 1996. Well done on tracking down that list. If you'd read the first post properly you probably wouldn't look quite so silly now
VectisSaint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 there must be some mistake burley is the best and poorvliet isn't the worst......... never Just shows what an excellent assistant Glyn Snodin was
norwaysaint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 If you'd read the first post properly you probably wouldn't look quite so silly now He probably now hopes people believe he's making a very poignant and illuminating point on the current state of football in this country and at Southampton in particular. Of course, he's not, he just made a tit of himself.
VectisSaint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Ian Dowie English 42% Don't mean to be pedantic and I know where Iain Dowie was born (Hertfordshire) but from a football persective, he represented Northern Ireland.
Bath Saint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I sometimes forget that football wasn't invented until 1996. Well done on tracking down that list. What a fool (insert rolling eye emoticon here)
Greenridge Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 All pretty meaningless unless the context of their time at the helm and all associated conditions are considered.
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 If you'd read the first post properly you probably wouldn't look quite so silly now I'm not sure we should allow Ponty to make Deano6 look so ****ish on here.
Kenilworthy Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Technically, as a N.Ireland international, wasn't Chris Nicholl our first non English manager? Although he was born in Wilmslow.
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Technically, as a N.Ireland international, wasn't Chris Nicholl our first non English manager? Although he was born in Wilmslow. you had me, up until you pointed out he was born in Wilmslow.
St Marco Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 A list of different circumstances. Some managed in a different league, some managed with lots of money to spend and some didn't.
jawillwill Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I sometimes forget that football wasn't invented until 1996. Well done on tracking down that list. Lowe wasn't invented until 1996 either. It's like he and football were destined to be together.* * Read the first post properly LOL
sadoldgit Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Average points per game 92/93 1.19 93/94 1.02 94/95 1.29 95/96 1.00 96/97 1.08 97/98 1.26 98/99 1.08 99/00 1.16 00/01 1.37 01/02 1.18 02/03 1.37 03/04 1.24 04/05 0.84 05/06 1.27 06/07 1.64 Average points per game (based on 3 for a win for all) Burley 1.54 McMenemy 1.52 Hoddle 1.50 Bates 1.42 Strachan 1.35 Ball 1.34 Nicholl 1.32 Sturrock 1.31 Souness 1.31 Redknapp 1.22 Merrington 1.21 Jones 1.18 Branfoot 1.11 Gray 1.05 Wigley 0.89 Sorry don't have Pearson but think it is round about Jones/Merrington mark So despite the hate shown towards George Burley he is our most "successful" manager since the war and his 06/07 season our best since the start of these stats. It also shows that under Lowe we haven't done much worse than before in terms of points per game overall.
PaulSaint Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Posted 19 January, 2009 Nice work Can anyone do the same for 07/08 & 08/09 (so far) plus stats for Pearson & Jan?
sadoldgit Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Another interesting point is that Dave Jones gets cut a lot of slack but his performance was little better than Branfoots.
sadoldgit Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Pearson 1.14 Jan 0.93 Thanks Anders, well at least Jan is doing better than Wigley......and it puts the whole Pearson period into perspective. Jan's record is firmly planted with Grays and Wigleys who were sacked in pretty quick order. How long can he stay I wonder?
PaulSaint Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Posted 19 January, 2009 Pearson 1.14 Jan 0.93 Dont suppose you can also do the managers that have been talked about as Jan replacements? Dowie Keane Adams Ince Boothrooyd Pardew Coterill Hollaway Tisdale Hoddle Keegan Its not 100% reliable but its a start & a useful talking point?
Papa Shango Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 So despite the hate shown towards George Burley he is our most "successful" manager since the war and his 06/07 season our best since the start of these stats. I hope you aren't serious. Most of the managers were managing in the Premiership, Uncle George was managing in the Championsh*t. Burleys record of 1.64 is actually not that great at all when you consider we had more money to spend than nearly everyone else (to add to a squad that already had a lot of quality for this level)
CB Fry Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Another interesting point is that Dave Jones gets cut a lot of slack but his performance was little better than Branfoots. Well maybe if you looked at the points per game ratio for his first full season and notice it is actually one of our best seasons in the Premier League you'll see why he is viewed pretty even handedly by our fans. Never going to be loved, but he delivered one cracking season, one great escape and signed and or developed many of the players that would play such an important role in our subsequent success. Hello Marian Pahars, Hello Wayne Bridge, Hello James Beattie, Hello Dean Richards, Hello Chris Marsden, Hello Paul Jones. To compare Jones to Branfoot is disgraceful. Your beloved Burley was closed to Branfoot than Jones ever was as Jones didn't get the bottom less pit of money that your drunk chum got to p i ss away for nothing. And who from Burley's signings has made a lasting contribution anything like the legacy that Jones left?
benjii Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 None of this is remotely mathematically interesting. IMO of course.
Thedelldays Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 indeed CB... cant recall many saints fans having a bad word to say about dave jones... a good manager IMO
AlfredKo Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I hope you aren't serious. Most of the managers were managing in the Premiership, Uncle George was managing in the Championsh*t. Burleys record of 1.64 is actually not that great at all when you consider we had more money to spend than nearly everyone else (to add to a squad that already had a lot of quality for this level) Fully agree!!! George Burley is a piece of **** for us. His team selection is ****ing ****. I remembered once upon a time all the players have to make way for Jermaine Wright. When Jermaine Wright needed to play right back, Ostlund must be dropped. When Jermaine Wright needed to play CM, Pele and Viafara were dropped. When Jermaime Wright needed to play right midfield, dyer, Licka and Surman were dropped. He also dropped Rasiak and Skacel for the second half of our play-off season. He sold Fuller, Danny to Stoke. He free transfered Dealp to Sunderland................. What a ****ing **** he is!!!!!? His record was **** poor with no money to spend. He won 1, lost 3 and drew 1 in Jan 2006. He drew 2, won 1 and lost 1 in Feb 2006. He drew 3 and lost 2 in March 2006. Even Jan is better than him with no money to spend.
team-saint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 TBF Delap and Higginbotham are ****e. why they're playing in the premiership now isnt it?
AlfredKo Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 why they're playing in the premiership now isnt it? In my opinion Fuller was a bit **** when he played for us. But Delap and Danny were always Prem quality players who Georger Burley just didn't like and sold them!!!! I am very ****ed off about that now.
sadoldgit Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 (edited) Well maybe if you looked at the points per game ratio for his first full season and notice it is actually one of our best seasons in the Premier League you'll see why he is viewed pretty even handedly by our fans. Never going to be loved, but he delivered one cracking season, one great escape and signed and or developed many of the players that would play such an important role in our subsequent success. Hello Marian Pahars, Hello Wayne Bridge, Hello James Beattie, Hello Dean Richards, Hello Chris Marsden, Hello Paul Jones. To compare Jones to Branfoot is disgraceful. Your beloved Burley was closed to Branfoot than Jones ever was as Jones didn't get the bottom less pit of money that your drunk chum got to p i ss away for nothing. And who from Burley's signings has made a lasting contribution anything like the legacy that Jones left? I was comparing his record, that is all. As for Burley, slate him all you like but the stats are there fo all to see. I am not saying he was our greatest manager, I am just saying it is odd how someone can deliver the goods in terms of results and still be hated. He is not my chum and as to whether he is a drunk, well what the hell. It didn't hold Clough back did it? And do you know Burley and JOnes personally? Do you know how much each of them drinks? As for bottomless pit of money, perhaps we should look at how much each manager spent over their reign? And since when did spending money achieve anything? Edited 20 January, 2009 by sadoldgit
sadoldgit Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 I hope you aren't serious. Most of the managers were managing in the Premiership, Uncle George was managing in the Championsh*t. Burleys record of 1.64 is actually not that great at all when you consider we had more money to spend than nearly everyone else (to add to a squad that already had a lot of quality for this level) McMenemy managed in the 2nd Divison and took some three years to get promotion with the likes of Mick Channon in the team. Ted Bates managed in lower divisions. Everything is relavtive. Burley managed in the CC with a CCC squad. You could argue that McMenemy managed in the 2nd divison with a 1st Division squad (Channon Osgood Ball etc)
Totton Red Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 McMenemy managed in the 2nd Divison and took some three years to get promotion with the likes of Mick Channon in the team. Ted Bates managed in lower divisions. Everything is relavtive. Burley managed in the CC with a CCC squad. You could argue that McMenemy managed in the 2nd divison with a 1st Division squad (Channon Osgood Ball etc) Going absolutely nowhere with this one! Burley, with potential, proved to be a lightweight (obviously only from a football prospective)
saintwarwick Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Fully agree!!! George Burley is a piece of **** for us. His team selection is ****ing ****. I remembered once upon a time all the players have to make way for Jermaine Wright. When Jermaine Wright needed to play right back, Ostlund must be dropped. When Jermaine Wright needed to play CM, Pele and Viafara were dropped. When Jermaime Wright needed to play right midfield, dyer, Licka and Surman were dropped. He also dropped Rasiak and Skacel for the second half of our play-off season. He sold Fuller, Danny to Stoke. He free transfered Dealp to Sunderland................. What a ****ing **** he is!!!!!? His record was **** poor with no money to spend. He won 1, lost 3 and drew 1 in Jan 2006. He drew 2, won 1 and lost 1 in Feb 2006. He drew 3 and lost 2 in March 2006. Even Jan is better than him with no money to spend. Guess you didn't like Jermaine Wright then :wink: I see your stats went from Jan to March, did the season end there or do you have more stats to reveal to us?
lumpofshipperley Posted 23 January, 2009 Posted 23 January, 2009 Interesting stats, but doesn't take into account draws. That'll make a difference. Any stats on average points per game???
PaulSaint Posted 23 January, 2009 Author Posted 23 January, 2009 Look about 15 posts above you Lumpof shipperley. ANY STATTOS OUT THERE - What are Wottes figures?
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