John Boy Saint Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 Stumbled upon this little nugget of Footie trivia: Someone with time on their hands has put together a League table covering 131 years of the First Division and Premier League (I know its hard to believe the football was around before football was invented in 1992). Saints sit at 27th, in the top half of a 65 team league. An interesting little read to while away the tea break, poor old bottom club Glossop North End 'The Hill Men' propping up the league. With the hood right up on the anorak the dynasty behind Arsenal for many years came from the money made in the cotton mills of Glossop probably 131 years ago. http://www.sportbible.com/football/reactions-news-take-a-bow-the-all-time-premier-league-and-first-division-table-is-fascinating-20190430 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Iron Gonads Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 West Ham sitting in 24th place a mere 1004 points ahead of us. Makes this Saturday's game a must win 6 pointer. Would also help us narrow the gap on Preston to 277 pts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 Interesting, surprised Pompey are so high on the list, still behind us mind but I assume most of their points were when Pathe news were still doing the filming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 Interesting to see the newly self proclaimed Elite on the South Coast are in actual fact the bottom south coast team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 Interesting, surprised Pompey are so high on the list, still behind us mind but I assume most of their points were when Pathe news were still doing the filming And that's all that matters. Wondered how old it was but Bournemouth on 150 games makes it easy to check it's completely up to date. Biggest surprise for me was Middlesbrough in 19th. Never would include them in a list of "sleeping giants", more of an "also ran" and their trophy count must be similar to ours yet they've been in the top division about half as long again as we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 And that's all that matters. Wondered how old it was but Bournemouth on 150 games makes it easy to check it's completely up to date. Biggest surprise for me was Middlesbrough in 19th. Never would include them in a list of "sleeping giants", more of an "also ran" and their trophy count must be similar to ours yet they've been in the top division about half as long again as we have. Same! I think their League Cup win under McClaren was their first ever trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 If I read this correctly the table makes no allowance for the League in which the games were played I must dig out a table I have somewhere where teams were given 92 points for winning the top division and one point for coming bottom of the 4th tier This was a bit bit representative in my view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 West Ham sitting in 24th place a mere 1004 points ahead of us. Makes this Saturday's game a must win 6 pointer. Would also help us narrow the gap on Preston to 277 pts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 3 May, 2019 Author Share Posted 3 May, 2019 If I read this correctly the table makes no allowance for the League in which the games were played I must dig out a table I have somewhere where teams were given 92 points for winning the top division and one point for coming bottom of the 4th tier This was a bit bit representative in my view I read it as only for games in the top league whatever it was called at the time over the 131 year period, I thinks thats covered in the text, pub quiz question is which teams have never been relegated from the top flight. The answer use to be Everton, Arsenal & Coventry but they buggered that up under WGS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 We drop to 30th, below the Skates, for points per game (yes, I'm a sad statto who's just spent a few minutes of his lunch break doing this): Team Games Pts Pts/Game Rank Man Utd 3775 6356 1.68 1 Liverpool 4132 6833 1.65 2 Arsenal 4131 6711 1.62 3 Tottenham 3392 5049 1.49 4 Leeds 2060 3061 1.49 5 Chelsea 3395 5029 1.48 6 Everton 4516 6642 1.47 7 Aston Villa 4070 5897 1.45 8 Man City 3617 5220 1.44 9 Newcastle 3462 4848 1.40 10 Preston 1720 2403 1.40 11 Wolves 2458 3429 1.40 12 Burnley 2169 2996 1.38 13 Sheff Wed. 2582 3552 1.38 14 Sunderland 3340 4560 1.37 15 Blackburn 2720 3702 1.36 16 Ipswich 1084 1471 1.36 17 Hudds 1334 1808 1.36 18 Nott'm F. 2178 2949 1.35 19 Sheff Utd 2356 3173 1.35 20 Derby 2468 3303 1.34 21 Bolton 2802 3692 1.32 22 Wimbledon 554 729 1.32 23 West Brom 3108 4065 1.31 24 Brentford 210 274 1.30 25 Blackpool 1172 1527 1.30 26 Portsmouth 1356 1765 1.30 27 West Ham 2470 3127 1.27 28 Bury 804 1017 1.26 29 So'ton 1680 2123 1.26 30 Cardiff 704 887 1.26 31 Middlesbro 2438 3065 1.26 32 Charlton 1050 1318 1.26 33 Oldham 484 606 1.25 34 Bradford 468 582 1.24 35 Leicester 2087 2570 1.23 36 Stoke 2372 2917 1.23 37 Luton 658 807 1.23 38 Grimsby 488 598 1.23 39 Q.P.R. 936 1146 1.22 40 Bristol C. 358 436 1.22 41 Coventry 1390 1686 1.21 42 Swansea 350 422 1.21 43 Bradfrd PA 122 147 1.20 44 Notts Co. 1068 1276 1.19 45 Birmingham 2306 2755 1.19 46 Norwich 1016 1213 1.19 47 Watford 476 565 1.19 48 Bournem'th 150 174 1.16 49 Fulham 1034 1178 1.14 50 Accrington 122 138 1.13 51 C Palace 756 830 1.10 52 Brighton 242 264 1.09 53 Wigan 304 331 1.09 54 Reading 114 119 1.04 55 Millwall 76 79 1.04 56 Nrthamptn 42 43 1.02 57 Carlisle 42 41 0.98 58 Oxford 124 119 0.96 59 Barnsley 38 35 0.92 60 Hull C. 190 171 0.90 61 Darwen 56 41 0.73 62 Swindon 42 30 0.71 63 Glossop NE 34 22 0.65 64 Leyton O. 42 27 0.64 65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 (edited) Deleted. Read it wrong. Edited 3 May, 2019 by OttawaSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 If I read this correctly the table makes no allowance for the League in which the games were played I must dig out a table I have somewhere where teams were given 92 points for winning the top division and one point for coming bottom of the 4th tier This was a bit bit representative in my view There was a table a few years ago that covered all 4divisions where we were almost bottom (think Torquay were bottom), it probably only included the 92 teams in the top 4 divisions. Guessing our 3 seasons in L1/CCC may have helped a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 If I read this correctly the table makes no allowance for the League in which the games were played I must dig out a table I have somewhere where teams were given 92 points for winning the top division and one point for coming bottom of the 4th tier This was a bit bit representative in my view There was a table a few years ago that covered all 4divisions where we were almost bottom (think Torquay were bottom), it probably only included the 92 teams in the top 4 divisions. Guessing our 3 seasons in L1/CCC may have helped a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 If I read this correctly the table makes no allowance for the League in which the games were played I must dig out a table I have somewhere where teams were given 92 points for winning the top division and one point for coming bottom of the 4th tier This was a bit bit representative in my view These are just results for the top division at the time, either the Prem League or old division 1. I thought the same as you at first because of the wording but if you scroll down the likes of Barnsley are on 38 games played thus showing that it's just top division (otherwise it'd be higher because they'd have played in the champ/div1 the year before and after at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 These are just results for the top division at the time, either the Prem League or old division 1. I thought the same as you at first because of the wording but if you scroll down the likes of Barnsley are on 38 games played thus showing that it's just top division (otherwise it'd be higher because they'd have played in the champ/div1 the year before and after at least). Spot on my Canadian friend Results from top division since 1888. During this time Saints were running away with the Southern League most years which is hardly ever mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 But this does not take into account our Southern League days 1894-1919. In those early years when we won it 6 years in 8, the SL was the equivalent in importance to the FL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 3 May, 2019 Share Posted 3 May, 2019 I read it as only for games in the top league whatever it was called at the time over the 131 year period, I thinks thats covered in the text, pub quiz question is which teams have never been relegated from the top flight. The answer use to be Everton, Arsenal & Coventry but they buggered that up under WGS. Everton were promoted to the top flight in 1955 I think, so they must have been relegated to get promoted if you see what I mean....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 The Ultimate League factors each club's average league position over the last 50 years and includes every club that has featured in England's top four tiers for at least 10 seasons during that period.https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/11373570/sky-sports-ultimate-league-201718-overachieving-and-underachieving-clubs-revealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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