Mr X Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4056906.Fans_revolt_but_Jan_understands_why/ Jan is still insisting we played a reasonable game and seems to be suggesting that fan anger was unjustified. thoughts?...................
Weston Super Saint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Who is exactly is the term 'lunatic fringe' aimed at, the fans or the management team
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I seriously cannot believe or understand some of the crap he goes on about. TBH i cant` believe Portvliet and the rest of the dutch crew have not been given their cards by now...Ridiculous!! He is utterly useless...
Mr X Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Posted 19 January, 2009 I particularly like this quote from the dutch wonder “We were all hoping we would win this one but we didn’t do it. There was a big pressure on the boys and it will stay like that, because to win you need to score goals.” Have you heard of this new concept that you need to score goals to win?
Yate Saint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Oh dear. Ah well, as long as we beat Norwich then all is fine! The team must deliver now and it is up to Jan to make them do it. If he doesn't then nothing will change so we may as well get on with it and just support the players. COYR.
Rocker268 Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I particularly like this quote from the dutch wonder “We were all hoping we would win this one but we didn’t do it. There was a big pressure on the boys and it will stay like that, because to win you need to score goals.” Have you heard of this new concept that you need to score goals to win? Nope its a new one to me, tbh I thought whoever played the prettiest football won, this is quite a shock!!!
Weston Super Saint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I'd start with not letting any in and work up from there....
JohnnyFartPants Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Who is exactly is the term 'lunatic fringe' aimed at, the fans or the management team Normally it is aimed at people that use the word "is" either side of the word "exactly" I think.
lordswoodsaints Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 he obviously didnt watch the second half...........come to think of it i did see him chatting to a few fans on the touchline so perhaps he missed it;-)
RinNY Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I'm actually not sure why you disagree with what Poortvliet says. Do you deny that Saints dominated the game and had far more scoring chances? In other words, we did play well, we should have won, and victory was denied by the problem that has plagued us all season: an inability to turn dominance of possession and scoring chances into goals. The only player who has scored a reasonable number of goals, McGoldrick, is all the same still an exceedingly wasteful striker, and no other striker or midfielder has stepped up to the plate with meaningful goalscoring contributions. I'm not sure how a different manager is supposed to turn dominance of the ball and of scoring chances into more goals scored, unless by being allowed to bring in (or back) a less wasteful striker. We can only hope that Saganowski will make a difference and/or that McGoldrick will finally start to convert more of his goal scoring opportunities.
JustMike Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 ok..its now 18:07...how the fook is jan still in a job????
derry Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I'm actually not sure why you disagree with what Poortvliet says. Do you deny that Saints dominated the game and had far more scoring chances? In other words, we did play well, we should have won, and victory was denied by the problem that has plagued us all season: an inability to turn dominance of possession and scoring chances into goals. The only player who has scored a reasonable number of goals, McGoldrick, is all the same still an exceedingly wasteful striker, and no other striker or midfielder has stepped up to the plate with meaningful goalscoring contributions. I'm not sure how a different manager is supposed to turn dominance of the ball and of scoring chances into more goals scored, unless by being allowed to bring in (or back) a less wasteful striker. We can only hope that Saganowski will make a difference and/or that McGoldrick will finally start to convert more of his goal scoring opportunities. It's not difficult we don't have any width. This makes the defence almost impossible to break down and exposes our fullbacks and the CBs because when the move breaks down, there is acres of space behind our fullbacks and midfield.
badgerx16 Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Same old, same old; JP's cracked record / Groundhog Day excuses just serve to show he has no idea as to how to sort out the mess that is SFC on the pitch.
Weston Super Saint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Normally it is aimed at people that use the word "is" either side of the word "exactly" I think. Woot for me, because I became a fringe all on my own
Micky Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Nope its a new one to me, tbh I thought whoever played the prettiest football won, this is quite a shock!!! If this was the case we would be 20 points clear and certs for promotion this season - perhaps somebody ought to tell JP that goals make points - not triangles...!
Colinjb Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 ............and yet it wasn't good enough, just like over half of the games we have played all year.
lordswoodsaints Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 ok..its now 18:07...how the fook is jan still in a job???? it is now 2009,how the fvck did he survive 2008?:-)
Mr X Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Posted 19 January, 2009 ok..its now 18:07...how the fook is jan still in a job???? because he is Lowes puppet and rupes likes playing with puppets
Mr X Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Posted 19 January, 2009 out of inetest do you think Jan knows himself now that he isn't up to the job?
JohnnyFartPants Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 out of inetest do you think Jan knows himself now that he isn't up to the job? Maybe he is but the kids aren't.
Weston Super Saint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Maybe he is but the kids aren't. Nah. The kids are fine and so is Jan, it's those pesky fans always ruining things.
Mr X Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Posted 19 January, 2009 Maybe he is but the kids aren't. theres plenty of other managers getting results with teams consisting of mainly young players
Bensfcno1 Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Anyone know of a website that will take bets for Jan to be the next manager to be sacked! Thankyou!
JohnnyFartPants Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 theres plenty of other managers getting results with teams consisting of mainly young players Who else has a team as young as ours? I thought we were leading the way with playing only kids, now it seems loads are doing it.
Whitey Grandad Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I'm actually not sure why you disagree with what Poortvliet says. Do you deny that Saints dominated the game and had far more scoring chances? In other words, we did play well, we should have won, and victory was denied by the problem that has plagued us all season: an inability to turn dominance of possession and scoring chances into goals. The only player who has scored a reasonable number of goals, McGoldrick, is all the same still an exceedingly wasteful striker, and no other striker or midfielder has stepped up to the plate with meaningful goalscoring contributions. I'm not sure how a different manager is supposed to turn dominance of the ball and of scoring chances into more goals scored, unless by being allowed to bring in (or back) a less wasteful striker. We can only hope that Saganowski will make a difference and/or that McGoldrick will finally start to convert more of his goal scoring opportunities. Actually I do. I thought that overall it was fairly even but Kelvin made more outstanding saves than their keeper did.
Thedelldays Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Who else has a team as young as ours? I thought we were leading the way with playing only kids, now it seems loads are doing it. forest have a younger team with less experience
JibMcdo Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 forest have a younger team with less experience Forest have a younger team with more experience.
Thedelldays Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Forest have a younger team with more experience. in what way..?
Weston Super Saint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 in what way..? In a younger, yet more experienced way :smt102
JohnnyFartPants Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 forest have a younger team with less experience Now you have really blown me out of the water. You had to go and mention high flying Forest didn't you. I can see them winning this league and not fearing relegation at all with all those extra points they currently have over us. All bloody three of them!!
Thedelldays Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 In a younger, yet more experienced way :smt102 they dont have any old hands that have been there and done it..the only player with prem experience is earnsahaw...their back 4 are 19-23 year olds...as is the midfield we have...kelvin, killer, euell with prem experience (granted killer is injured) saga back now euell rudi all with international experience we also have surman and lallana - two players wanted apparently we also have a (supposed) hot prospect in morgan hmmmm I think we have the more experience dont you think..?
Thedelldays Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Now you have really blown me out of the water. You had to go and mention high flying Forest didn't you. I can see them winning this league and not fearing relegation at all with all those extra points they currently have over us. All bloody three of them!! ok...wolves are on par with us in terms of age...(well they were before the start of january)
Weston Super Saint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 they dont have any old hands that have been there and done it..the only player with prem experience is earnsahaw...their back 4 are 19-23 year olds...as is the midfield we have...kelvin, killer, euell with prem experience (granted killer is injured) saga back now euell rudi all with international experience we also have surman and lallana - two players wanted apparently we also have a (supposed) hot prospect in morgan hmmmm I think we have the more experience dont you think..? I agree, I was being facetious!! It's more annoying that we can't harness that experience.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 ok...wolves are on par with us in terms of age...(well they were before the start of january) I don't think Wolves have been putting out a side week in week out that is anything like as young as ours. That paperwork exercise you did in the previous post only shows what players we now have and are using. You know fair well that most of those experienced ones have not been used until recently.
Thedelldays Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I agree, I was being facetious!! It's more annoying that we can't harness that experience. someone has just pointed out that swansea's first 11 at the weekend cost less than morgan scheiderlin... ffs
badgerx16 Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Take a look at this table...http://www.statbunker.com/football/btb/index.php?PL=competition&CompID=246&statType=seasonsquad. We have the youngest average squad age, with more under 21s starting a match than anybody, but there are only 8 teams who have played more over 30's. We have also used the joint highest total of players so far this season. ( Mind you, it does say that none of these teams have started any English players so far )
JustMike Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 it is now 2009,how the fvck did he survive 2008?:-) haha very true. seriously though, i did expect him to get sacked today, dont know why, just had a feeling! Still, just proves that Lord Lowe is refusing to admit to his mistakes....again
St. Jason Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I'm actually not sure why you disagree with what Poortvliet says. Do you deny that Saints dominated the game and had far more scoring chances? In other words, we did play well, we should have won, and victory was denied by the problem that has plagued us all season: an inability to turn dominance of possession and scoring chances into goals. The only player who has scored a reasonable number of goals, McGoldrick, is all the same still an exceedingly wasteful striker, and no other striker or midfielder has stepped up to the plate with meaningful goalscoring contributions. I'm not sure how a different manager is supposed to turn dominance of the ball and of scoring chances into more goals scored, unless by being allowed to bring in (or back) a less wasteful striker. We can only hope that Saganowski will make a difference and/or that McGoldrick will finally start to convert more of his goal scoring opportunities. The echo doesn't seem to agree with you here mate, man of the match, Kelvin Davis!!!
StubbSaint Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 Who else has a team as young as ours? I thought we were leading the way with playing only kids, now it seems loads are doing it. wolves and forest
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4056906.Fans_revolt_but_Jan_understands_why/ Jan is still insisting we played a reasonable game and seems to be suggesting that fan anger was unjustified. thoughts?................... Either he's in blind denial [-( or Wooperts hand is up his jacksie controlling his every word :smt078 or he is enjoying a very nice industrial strength dutch weed :weedman:.
s0108787 Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 we had the best of the play in the first half, although donny had some decent chances themselves. Their goals were soft, but i believe that the first was offside. Once they had scored the lads looked like they had the weight of the world on their shoulders - much like the England team do at Wembley - you could see them tensing up. As we all know, England have quality players that are for whatever reason inhibited when they pull on the 3 lions shirt. It was exactly the same at sms as soon as the goal went in. This scenario is not the fault of the management, more a symptom of the situation the club finds itself in. I like Jan and think he could do a decent job in better circumstances, however now more than ever i wish we had a pearson esque character calling the shots and looking after the young players.
benjii Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I'm actually not sure why you disagree with what Poortvliet says. Do you deny that Saints dominated the game and had far more scoring chances? In other words, we did play well, we should have won, and victory was denied by the problem that has plagued us all season: an inability to turn dominance of possession and scoring chances into goals. The only player who has scored a reasonable number of goals, McGoldrick, is all the same still an exceedingly wasteful striker, and no other striker or midfielder has stepped up to the plate with meaningful goalscoring contributions. I'm not sure how a different manager is supposed to turn dominance of the ball and of scoring chances into more goals scored, unless by being allowed to bring in (or back) a less wasteful striker. We can only hope that Saganowski will make a difference and/or that McGoldrick will finally start to convert more of his goal scoring opportunities. Er, yeah.
AlfredKo Posted 19 January, 2009 Posted 19 January, 2009 I'm actually not sure why you disagree with what Poortvliet says. Do you deny that Saints dominated the game and had far more scoring chances? In other words, we did play well, we should have won, and victory was denied by the problem that has plagued us all season: an inability to turn dominance of possession and scoring chances into goals. The only player who has scored a reasonable number of goals, McGoldrick, is all the same still an exceedingly wasteful striker, and no other striker or midfielder has stepped up to the plate with meaningful goalscoring contributions. I'm not sure how a different manager is supposed to turn dominance of the ball and of scoring chances into more goals scored, unless by being allowed to bring in (or back) a less wasteful striker. We can only hope that Saganowski will make a difference and/or that McGoldrick will finally start to convert more of his goal scoring opportunities. If Jan can show them how to pass the ball and play nice football, can he tell him how to shoot properly. Did anyone remember how funny Lee Holmes and Lallana 's shots were? Even I don't know should I call them a joke or not.
um pahars Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 I don't think Wolves have been putting out a side week in week out that is anything like as young as ours. Leicester did last night: Take out Howard and Oakley who are older than me :wink: then also Dyer who is over the hill at 26 and their ages were: 23, 21, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 22 "That shyt3 manager Pearson would only work with old warhouses who would have cost us a fortune." "He would never have used the youth" "He would have wanted to have spent loads." "We couldn't afford him". "Just look at the calibre of the side he inherited".
um pahars Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 I don't think Wolves have been putting out a side week in week out that is anything like as young as ours. Leicester did last night: Take out Howard and Oakley who are older than me :wink: then also Dyer who is over the hill at 26 and their ages were: 23, 21, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 22 "That shyt3 manager Pearson would only work with old warhouses who would have cost us a fortune." "He would never have used the youth" "He would have wanted to have spent loads." "We couldn't afford him". "Just look at the calibre of the side he inherited".
Give it to Ron Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Leicester did last night: Take out Howard and Oakley who are older than me :wink: then also Dyer who is over the hill at 26 and their ages were: 23, 21, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 22 "That shyt3 manager Pearson would only work with old warhouses who would have cost us a fortune." "He would never have used the youth" "He would have wanted to have spent loads." "We couldn't afford him". "Just look at the calibre of the side he inherited". Those are the excuses used by the Lowe apologists - you can see similar ones on here this week blaming the crowd for not hitting a cows arse with a banjo, not being able to tackle for toffee or for playing the same bizarre tactic for 90 minutes when it clearly isnt working. Its anything possible to hide the real reasons for the mad mans decisions.
Give it to Ron Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 Leicester did last night: Take out Howard and Oakley who are older than me :wink: then also Dyer who is over the hill at 26 and their ages were: 23, 21, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 22 "That shyt3 manager Pearson would only work with old warhouses who would have cost us a fortune." "He would never have used the youth" "He would have wanted to have spent loads." "We couldn't afford him". "Just look at the calibre of the side he inherited". Those are the excuses used by the Lowe apologists - you can see similar ones on here this week blaming the crowd for not hitting a cows arse with a banjo, not being able to tackle for toffee or for playing the same bizarre tactic for 90 minutes when it clearly isnt working. Its anything possible to hide the real reasons for the mad mans decisions.
yorkiesaint Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 when i was a kid in the 80s i remember going to a match against birmingham city in the old first division. it was 0-0 and then 5 mins before the end city scored and this sparked a massive pitch invasion protest from the fans which the donny game reminds me of. it's some kind of groundhog day.
SaintRobbie Posted 20 January, 2009 Posted 20 January, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4056906.Fans_revolt_but_Jan_understands_why/ Jan is still insisting we played a reasonable game and seems to be suggesting that fan anger was unjustified. thoughts?................... 'We didnt play a bad game'? Rearrange this sentance Jan.. 'planet What ****ing you are on?'
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