Whitey Grandad Posted 24 April, 2019 Share Posted 24 April, 2019 As one of 2000 Saints fans who attended the match last night and who watched Stephens' performance with interest, I thought that he played pretty well. He defended competently, was good in the air, did some great tackles and blocks and linked up well with those around him. He made a couple of stray passes and weak headers but no more than anyone else in what I thought was a pretty decent performance by the whole team. In answer to the above, I'd have Stephens over Hoedt any day. Too many people (particularly on here) are quick to write players off after a couple of poor games."a couple"? In my view it has been a lot more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 24 April, 2019 Share Posted 24 April, 2019 I've always thought Stephens would make a better DM than CB, or am I talking balls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 April, 2019 Share Posted 24 April, 2019 This is what "boo boy" means of course. Play OK, but still the "worst player to wear the shirt. Ever.". Not so long ago it was JWP carrying that mantle. Or Tadic, if you're a football historian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 24 April, 2019 Share Posted 24 April, 2019 I don't think he is as bad as people make out but I think if we want to become a top 8 challenging team again, someone like Stephens is not good enough IMO, not even as back up. Plus I get the impression he wants more first team football. I think let him leave, see if he can get in as first choice for a Championship side or newly promoted PL team. What we want next year is probably Bednerak + a new upgrade CB, and then Yoshida and Vestergaard as back up/challenging options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 24 April, 2019 Share Posted 24 April, 2019 As one of 2000 Saints fans who attended the match last night and who watched Stephens' performance with interest, I thought that he played pretty well. He defended competently, was good in the air, did some great tackles and blocks and linked up well with those around him. He made a couple of stray passes and weak headers but no more than anyone else in what I thought was a pretty decent performance by the whole team. In answer to the above, I'd have Stephens over Hoedt any day. Too many people (particularly on here) are quick to write players off after a couple of poor games. Or, a couple of poor seasons even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 April, 2019 Share Posted 24 April, 2019 49k pw!! Thats the madness of football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 24 April, 2019 Share Posted 24 April, 2019 Stephens is the new Yoshida. To be honest he is a good squad player who can come in for odd games in CB or RB and I think he can improve over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 24 April, 2019 Share Posted 24 April, 2019 I don't think he is as bad as people make out but I think if we want to become a top 8 challenging team again, someone like Stephens is not good enough IMO, not even as back up. Plus I get the impression he wants more first team football. I think let him leave, see if he can get in as first choice for a Championship side or newly promoted PL team. What we want next year is probably Bednerak + a new upgrade CB, and then Yoshida and Vestergaard as back up/challenging options. Definitely, could easily become a top Championship CB. Whether or not he's willing to drop a level wages wise is probably the bigger problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 24 April, 2019 Share Posted 24 April, 2019 Stephens is the new Yoshida. To be honest he is a good squad player who can come in for odd games in CB or RB and I think he can improve over time. He’s 25 and has 125 professional games. He’s probably where he’s going to be in terms of development. He’s not a ‘bad’ player or whatever other adjectives have been thrown about but he’s not of the standard for a club wanting top half / third of the Premier League requires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 April, 2019 Share Posted 24 April, 2019 Stephens is the new Yoshida. To be honest he is a good squad player who can come in for odd games in CB or RB and I think he can improve over time. what time? when he is 30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 24 April, 2019 Share Posted 24 April, 2019 Stephens is the new Yoshida. To be honest he is a good squad player who can come in for odd games in CB or RB and I think he can improve over time.Yoshida has got better only relatively- not good enough to be a regular for a top 6/7 Southampton Football Club but good enough for a 16/17th placed one. Stephen's isn't even that good and never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 April, 2019 Share Posted 24 April, 2019 Stephens is the new Yoshida. To be honest he is a good squad player who can come in for odd games in CB or RB and I think he can improve over time. The Cornish Beckenbauer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 24 April, 2019 Share Posted 24 April, 2019 The Cornish Beckenbauer.[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 Sorry, this player is woeful No where near good enough for a team in the bottom 6. No where near. He is now directly contributing to giving away a goal a game. Harry Maguire he most certainly is not!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 Barely League One standard and people were comparing him to Harry Maguire a few years back haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 He is absolutely disgraceful. His defending for their third was atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 He’s only playing because Vestergaard and Yoshida are out. Play a kid next week against Huddersfield as it’s cruel to keep picking him, his confidence must be shot to ****** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 Thing is he'd do a great job for a League 1 side pushing for promotion. Yet he's playing regularly for a Premier League club and pocketing £2.5 million per year before tax for the privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 He was late coming out for Bournemouth’s second goal too. A couple of yards behind all the others. I don’t think it would have been quite enough to get the goal ruled out but very close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 Have we won a game which he's played in this season ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 I used to have faith in the lad doing a decent job for us, but VVD was making his frailty in central defence. I really think we need to ship him out to a L1 or Championship team this summer. Get what we can and move on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 I used to have faith in the lad doing a decent job for us, but VVD was making his frailty in central defence. I really think we need to ship him out to a L1 or Championship team this summer. Get what we can and move on... *masking his frailty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 I used to have faith in the lad doing a decent job for us, but VVD was making his frailty in central defence. I really think we need to ship him out to a L1 or Championship team this summer. Get what we can and move on... I thought he only came in when Vvd was Injured ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 “One of our own” which gives him at least 5 seasons of dog **** performances Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 “One of our own” which gives him at least 5 seasons of dog **** performances Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk This is possibly the most accurate thing you have posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 It's a shame really. We buy him as a promising youngster from Plymouth. Give him all the training and support for him to flourish. Then 10 years later he is on the cusp of the team, but isn't quite good enough (he's not far off a Prem defender to be fair to him) and so we need to get rid...probably for nothing. It's so disheartening it makes you not want to bother trying in the future. I suppose if we'd got relegated he would have been a useful piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 It's a shame really. We buy him as a promising youngster from Plymouth. Give him all the training and support for him to flourish. Then 10 years later he is on the cusp of the team, but isn't quite good enough (he's not far off a Prem defender to be fair to him) and so we need to get rid...probably for nothing. It's so disheartening it makes you not want to bother trying in the future. I suppose if we'd got relegated he would have been a useful piece. I’m not sure I get your point. It makes who not want to bother trying what in future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue_Saint Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 He would be less useless in a holding midfield role I reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 He would be less useless in a holding midfield role I reckonNo not at all. He holds on to the ball far to long and is forever giving it away. At best he is a championship player, he has to go. Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 If you had to keep one of Stephens or Hoedt which one would you choose? As much as it pains me I'd say Hoedt, which say alot for Stephens. Both terrible defenders Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 Came back into the side for the Newcastle game. We’ve concieded 3 in 3 of the 4 games including that one. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 4 May, 2019 Share Posted 4 May, 2019 I thought he only came in when Vvd was Injured ? A like for like swap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 5 May, 2019 Share Posted 5 May, 2019 He's had 3 seasons under 4 managers to prove he's up to it. He's proved irrefutably that he isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashnats Posted 5 May, 2019 Share Posted 5 May, 2019 Think he gets a hard time, he tries hard, heart in the right place. It’s just unfortunate that he is incompetent at this level, and it’s not his fault the club doesn’t have better as backup. For us, it’s down to ralf whether he wants to improve depth in this position, and up to the club to provide it. For Stephens, it’s a decision to make, backup for saints and a good wage, or regular first teamer at a mid table championship club. Not a straightforward decision. If I was him, I’d probably want to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 May, 2019 Share Posted 5 May, 2019 Think he gets a hard time, he tries hard, heart in the right place. It’s just unfortunate that he is incompetent at this level, and it’s not his fault the club doesn’t have better as backup. For us, it’s down to ralf whether he wants to improve depth in this position, and up to the club to provide it. For Stephens, it’s a decision to make, backup for saints and a good wage, or regular first teamer at a mid table championship club. Not a straightforward decision. If I was him, I’d probably want to stay. We can’t afford to play him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 May, 2019 Share Posted 5 May, 2019 (edited) very frustrating player. Looks a rolls royce type at times with the ball and has enough pace to hold his own, but he isn't anywhere near dominant enough in the air or ground. We just ship too many goals, although they're not all his fault obviously. His wages means he wont be going anywhere. Its not like we have a lot of other great options in that position. I have to say Vestergaard gets an easy ride. He's so slow, incredibly slow. So much so that we cant risk playing him in a back four. I fail to understand how a scout did not pick that up or did we not care? Yoshida is pretty similar to Stephens in my eyes, very frustrating, looks smooth on the ball at times but just isn't dominant. It's a very tough position to play these days (requiring pace and power and ability on the ball) and thus finding good enough players is difficult. We need to keep looking! Edited 5 May, 2019 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 5 May, 2019 Share Posted 5 May, 2019 He's playing in the wrong position. He needs to be a DM not a CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 May, 2019 Share Posted 5 May, 2019 He's playing in the wrong position. He needs to be a DM not a CB. there is nothing about his game that suggests he would do any better there. Just a message board myth IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 5 May, 2019 Share Posted 5 May, 2019 there is nothing about his game that suggests he would do any better there. Just a message board myth IMO Wtf are you on about?? A message board myth?? It's my opinion, not a myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 5 May, 2019 Share Posted 5 May, 2019 He's playing in the wrong position. He needs to be a DM not a CB. In a League One team, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 5 May, 2019 Share Posted 5 May, 2019 In a League One team, maybe. Maybe, but I still think he would be better further up. Maybe that is just because he wouldn't probably let the opposition score so many (late) goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 May, 2019 Share Posted 5 May, 2019 very frustrating player. Looks a rolls royce type at times with the ball and has enough pace to hold his own, but he isn't anywhere near dominant enough in the air or ground. We just ship too many goals, although they're not all his fault obviously. His wages means he wont be going anywhere. Its not like we have a lot of other great options in that position. I have to say Vestergaard gets an easy ride. He's so slow, incredibly slow. So much so that we cant risk playing him in a back four. I fail to understand how a scout did not pick that up or did we not care? Yoshida is pretty similar to Stephens in my eyes, very frustrating, looks smooth on the ball at times but just isn't dominant. It's a very tough position to play these days (requiring pace and power and ability on the ball) and thus finding good enough players is difficult. We need to keep looking! At least Vestergaard is not afraid to head the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 May, 2019 Share Posted 5 May, 2019 Maybe, but I still think he would be better further up. Maybe that is just because he wouldn't probably let the opposition score so many (late) goals. He would probably spend most of his life doing what Armstrong did for Bournemouth’s third goal. If anything I think he would be worse, at the moment his best play is when he has time and space at the back to play it forward. He won’t get that in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 5 May, 2019 Share Posted 5 May, 2019 He's good at dribbling and used to be good at passing...A centre back he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 6 May, 2019 Share Posted 6 May, 2019 I’m not sure I get your point. It makes who not want to bother trying what in future? Exactly what I said. Buying promising youngsters and investing 10 years into them to see if they can make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 May, 2019 Share Posted 6 May, 2019 He is honestly rubbish, just look at our record when he plays. It says it all. Disgusting centre back for any team aiming to be decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 6 May, 2019 Share Posted 6 May, 2019 Exactly what I said. Buying promising youngsters and investing 10 years into them to see if they can make it. That’s always been the case with young players though. For every Bale, Walcott and Lallana, there are 50 Ben Reeves, Josh Dutton-Black and Jamie Hatch. There’s no shame in it, Stephens has just ended up playing a lot more games than he should, out of necessity due to poor recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 May, 2019 Share Posted 6 May, 2019 He is honestly rubbish, just look at our record when he plays. It says it all. Yeah. He’s gotten worse the more he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 7 May, 2019 Share Posted 7 May, 2019 He is a liability not up to it this level sell and upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 7 May, 2019 Share Posted 7 May, 2019 Its a shame to criticise a player who has come through the system but Jack Stephens is not Premiership standard in any position. Bear in mind that Jack was not even first choice when on loan at Middlesborough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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