wild-saint Posted 28 February, 2019 Share Posted 28 February, 2019 Don’t talk rubbish man. Wolves & Watford as well as West Ham will have nothing to play for. Continue as they have been and Newcastle won’t by the time we go there. Boscombe won’t either, but the local element may make that tougher. We have an incredibly easy run in, with 7 of the last 8 very much winnable. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Exactly, how many of these teams will mentally be on the beach with nothing to play for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 28 February, 2019 Share Posted 28 February, 2019 I would say these two teams are the two who do have something to play for- the one who finishes 7th will very likely play in Europe next year. The Europa league via 7th spot is not a attractive proposition, even Burnley were glad to be out of it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 28 February, 2019 Share Posted 28 February, 2019 I fully expect Brighton to win, but if somehow Huddersfield win... Brighton are going to start seriously worrying. I'd expect BHA to be pretty anxious for this one (no league wins in 2019). They'll be putting a lot of pressure on themselves to win. Will be interesting to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 28 February, 2019 Share Posted 28 February, 2019 I'd have said 7 or 8 was fairly optimistic for Cardiff. Beating West Ham and Palace at home (fixtures we got 1 point from), with another point at Fulham and Burnley. I'll stake my claim on them getting 33 points and come back to this post in May. Wouldn't like to guess where we end up relative to that but I would 100% take our run in over theirs. We're 2pts ahead of them with a superior GD, if they get 8 pts we'd only need 6 from the final 10 games (assuming we don't get totally tonked a few times). Surely we can manage that. Even if they get 12 (3W 3D 4L) we'd only need 10 (a point a game pace). Still nervous though because it's Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 1 March, 2019 Share Posted 1 March, 2019 Average position of remaining opponents Newcastle 11.3 Crystal Palace 11.2 Burnley 8.4 Brighton 10.5 Southampton 9.5 Cardiff 9.5 for all the fixture comparisons this was quite a surprising statistic! but... Cardiff face four of the top six between now and May 12 - Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and Man United - and have six away games in their remaining 10. It's not looking good for Neil Warnock's side, particularly on the back of two heavy defeats against Watford and Everton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 March, 2019 Share Posted 1 March, 2019 Average position of remaining opponents Newcastle 11.3 Crystal Palace 11.2 Burnley 8.4 Brighton 10.5 Southampton 9.5 Cardiff 9.5 for all the fixture comparisons this was quite a surprising statistic! but... Cardiff face four of the top six between now and May 12 - Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and Man United - and have six away games in their remaining 10. It's not looking good for Neil Warnock's side, particularly on the back of two heavy defeats against Watford and Everton... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 5 March, 2019 Share Posted 5 March, 2019 Cardiff's Sol Bamba out for the season. Big loss for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 March, 2019 Author Share Posted 5 March, 2019 We absolutely shouldn't go down from here with Cardiff's games left & their best defender out for the rest of the season - but you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 5 March, 2019 Share Posted 5 March, 2019 We absolutely shouldn't go down from here with Cardiff's games left & their best defender out for the rest of the season - but you never know. I would give Neil Warnock manager of the season if he did keep them up tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 5 March, 2019 Share Posted 5 March, 2019 We absolutely shouldn't go down from here with Cardiff's games left & their best defender out for the rest of the season - but you never know. Can't we loan them Wesley Hoedt to make sure they go down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 5 March, 2019 Share Posted 5 March, 2019 I would give Neil Warnock manager of the season if he did keep them up tbf Thank God Pulis isn't their manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 5 March, 2019 Share Posted 5 March, 2019 We absolutely shouldn't go down from here with Cardiff's games left & their best defender out for the rest of the season - but you never know. Quite agree. You never know, but I can't see us being relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 5 March, 2019 Share Posted 5 March, 2019 Quite agree. You never know, but I can't see us being relegated. We've had some of our best players out , our rivals might look at top scorer Ings being out as a reason why we'll struggle as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 March, 2019 Share Posted 5 March, 2019 We've had some of our best players out , our rivals might look at top scorer Ings being out as a reason why we'll struggle as well. The verb tense is key here I think. Bertrand, Yoshida, Ings and Lemina have all been out and we're still above Cardiff WITH Bamba. Now we have RB and MY back, things are reversed somewhat and in theory swung in our favour. Ings may be out but Bamba was Cardiff's top scorer too I think. Redmond and JWP would both win Cardiff's golden boot as it stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 8 March, 2019 Share Posted 8 March, 2019 Need to add the fixture on the 24th March against Spurs u18 at the new cheese room stadium. Capacity will be 30k for one of the two test matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 16 March, 2019 Share Posted 16 March, 2019 Can we update the OP? Looking a bit better for us I’d say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 16 March, 2019 Share Posted 16 March, 2019 The Burnley loss today was huge for us. You look at their last 4 fixtures and, despite them being a difficult team to beat, you can't see many, if any points for them there. They could well be the third relegated team, which would be massive for Cardiff. (Who would then suffer second season syndrome and be easier to beat next season!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 16 March, 2019 Share Posted 16 March, 2019 Hopefully Saints, Wolves and Chelsea are all in the mood to play in 2 weeks time, a nail-biting time ahead. We've got 2 weeks to grow some nails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 16 March, 2019 Share Posted 16 March, 2019 The Burnley loss today was huge for us. You look at their last 4 fixtures and, despite them being a difficult team to beat, you can't see many, if any points for them there. They could well be the third relegated team, which would be massive for Cardiff. (Who would then suffer second season syndrome and be easier to beat next season!) The six pointer between Cardiff and Burnley is a massive game. Had we held on for 1-1 vs Cardiff we'd be so much more comfortable right now. What a difference one ****ty balls up by Stephens made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 16 March, 2019 Share Posted 16 March, 2019 The six pointer between Cardiff and Burnley is a massive game. Had we held on for 1-1 vs Cardiff we'd be so much more comfortable right now. What a difference one ****ty balls up by Stephens made. And Vestergaard in the first game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 18 March, 2019 Share Posted 18 March, 2019 With Burnleys remaining 7 games and Cardiffs 8 games featuring 4 games against the top 6 and a game against each other where points will be dropped for one or both teams, i would say that 7 points will see us safe. Would mean Cardiff would need 10 points given their poor GD to overtake us. Unlikely Burnley would need 7/8 points depending on GD to overtake us. More possible but not guaranteed given their form Chances of both occuring, very unlikely. That being said, I hope we can get the majority of these points in our next few games and not make it a nervy run in where anything can happen. Honestly believe we could pick up 13/14 points given our form and remaining fixtures, could see us finishing 13th easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 18 March, 2019 Share Posted 18 March, 2019 With Burnleys remaining 7 games and Cardiffs 8 games featuring 4 games against the top 6 and a game against each other where points will be dropped for one or both teams, i would say that 7 points will see us safe. Would mean Cardiff would need 10 points given their poor GD to overtake us. Unlikely Burnley would need 7/8 points depending on GD to overtake us. More possible but not guaranteed given their form Chances of both occuring, very unlikely. That being said, I hope we can get the majority of these points in our next few games and not make it a nervy run in where anything can happen. Honestly believe we could pick up 13/14 points given our form and remaining fixtures, could see us finishing 13th easily Games against top 7 i meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 19 March, 2019 Share Posted 19 March, 2019 There is another way to look at the run-in. No team with 11 wins has ever been relegated. That would require: Cardiff to win 3 of their last 8; Burnley to win 3 of their last 7; Crystal Palace to win 2 of their last 8; Brighton to win 2 of their last 9; Saints to win 4 of our last 8. It will almost certainly go down to the wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator Posted 19 March, 2019 Share Posted 19 March, 2019 Do we have any idea as to when the Watford game might be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 19 March, 2019 Share Posted 19 March, 2019 Do we have any idea as to when the Watford game might be? Tuesday 23rd April 7.45pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooh it's a corner Posted 19 March, 2019 Share Posted 19 March, 2019 (edited) Apologies to Saint Garrett, but here's an updated view. Brighton have got a bit more fixture congestion in April. But if I were a Cardiff fan, then Burnley, Brighton, Fulham and Palace need maximum points. Toughie. Possibly a bit too early, but worth keeping an eye on fixtures. Home games in bold. Newcastle - 35 Points March 30 - Arsenal v Newcastle United April 06 - Newcastle United v Crystal Palace April 13 - Leicester City v Newcastle United April 20 - Newcastle United v Southampton April 27 - Brighton v Newcastle United May 04 - Newcastle United v Liverpool May 12 - Fulham v Newcastle United Crystal Palace - 33 Points Mar 30 - Palace v Huddersfield April 03 - Tottenham Hotspur v Palace April 06 - Newcastle - Palace April 14 - Palace v Man City April 21 - Arsenal - Palace April 27 - Palace v Everton May 04 - Cardiff v Palace May 12 - Palace v Bournemouth Brighton - 33 Points March 30 - Brighton v Southampton April 03 - Chelsea v Brighton April 13 - Brighton v Bournemouth April 16 - Brighton v Cardiff April 20 - Wolves v Brighton April 23 - Tottenham v Brighton April 27 - Brighton v Newcastle United May 04 - Arsenal v Brighton May 12 - Brighton v Man City Saints - 30 Points March 30 - Brighton and Hove Albion v Southampton April 06 - Southampton v Liverpool April 13 - Southampton v Wolverhampton Wanderers April 20 - Newcastle v Southampton April 23 - Watford v Southampton April 27 - Southampton v Bournemouth May 04 - West Ham United v Southampton May 12 - Southampton v Huddersfield Burnley - 30 Points Mar 30 - Burnley v Wolverhampton Wanderers April 06 - AFC Bournemouth v Burnley April 13 - Burnley v Cardiff City April 20 - Chelsea v Burnley April 27 - Burnley v Manchester City May 04 - Everton v Burnley May 12 - Burnley v Arsenal Cardiff - 28 Points March 30 — Cardiff City v Chelsea April 6 — Manchester City v Cardiff City April 13 — Burnley v Cardiff City April 16 — Brighton v Cardiff City April 20 — Cardiff City v Liverpool April 27 — Fulham v Cardiff City May 4 — Cardiff City v Crystal Palace May 12 — Manchester United v Cardiff City Edited 19 March, 2019 by ooh it's a corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 20 March, 2019 Share Posted 20 March, 2019 I think Brighton will be fine looking at their fixtures, but when you add in the FA Cup semi final on 6th April v Man City it is a busy period, no way can Glenn Murray play in all the games but I'm sure he'll make an appearance against us. Chelsea play Cardiff then Brighton in next two games, could do with them picking up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 20 March, 2019 Share Posted 20 March, 2019 So Cardiff's remaining fixtures - 4 games vs top 6 teams, 4 games vs relegation rivals. No chance for them I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 March, 2019 Share Posted 20 March, 2019 I really cant see Cardiff getting any more than 8 points absolute maximum, so we need 6 with out better goal difference. We should easily get 6 points from our last 8, I think we'll get more like 10 and stay up quite comfortably. Much as I hate the premier league I don't want to get relegated as that would be a disaster for the club the way we are run. Also think next season will be much better if Hassenhuttl sticks around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 20 March, 2019 Share Posted 20 March, 2019 Looking at the fixtures from each team's selfish perspective, i can make an argument for seeing about 15 points of on offer for us, Brighton, Palace and Newcastle (i.e. we could conceivably beat Brighton, Wolves, Newcastle, Bournemouth & Huddersfield without getting too silly about predictions). The two with less realistically on offer are Cardiff (12-14) and Burnley (11 max beating AFCB away and getting points v Everton & Arsenal). With that in mind it means IMHO each team has the opportunity to get away, but Cardiff & Burnley have a lot less wiggle room (they need everything to go as well as possible). Given Burnley's current form I really think they could be in danger. Good news for us is they play Cardiff so one of them won't be getting their full quota of best-case-scenario points. Personally, I'd ultimately rather Burnley went down but that would mean Cardiff picking up points which would lead to some very nervous moments before season-end. So out of respect for my ticker, I probably want Cardiff losing every week until we're safe ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 20 March, 2019 Share Posted 20 March, 2019 oh, should add - there's no way each of the teams will get their (up to) 15 points ... just looking at realistic points potentially available for each, not what they'll actually get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 24 March, 2019 Share Posted 24 March, 2019 Paterson injured while playing for Scotland against the minnows that are San Marino. Don’t know the extent of the injury but had to be subbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 24 March, 2019 Share Posted 24 March, 2019 Burnley's fall from grace has been mind boggling yet their manager still seems immune to criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 1 April, 2019 Share Posted 1 April, 2019 Burnley's fall from grace has been mind boggling yet their manager still seems immune to criticism. I was just looking at their remaining fixtures away to Bournemouth this weekend who Howe was fuming with on Saturday. Then tough games left including Cardiff. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 1 April, 2019 Share Posted 1 April, 2019 Went on to the Fishy.co.uk predictor website and did a very quick pass through likely results in the last 7 games and not surprisingly Cardiff do not make it. That's not to say there are no surprise results but even allowing for that it's a big ask for them. Pos Team P GD Pts 1 Man City 38 +74 94 2 Liverpool 38 +66 91 3 Tottenham 38 +34 80 4 Man Utd 38 +26 80 5 Arsenal 38 +29 76 6 Chelsea 38 +27 76 7 Leicester 38 +1 51 8 Wolverhampton 38 -4 51 9 Watford 38 -4 50 10 Everton 38 +5 49 11 West Ham 38 -5 49 12 Bournemouth 38 -15 46 13 Newcastle 38 -12 43 14 Southampton 38 -15 42 15 Crystal Palace 38 -7 41 16 Brighton 38 -14 38 17 Burnley 38 -28 36 18 Cardiff 38 -34 29 19 Fulham 38 -52 25 20 Huddersfield 38 -52 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2019 Share Posted 1 April, 2019 Went on to the Fishy.co.uk predictor website and did a very quick pass through likely results in the last 7 games and not surprisingly Cardiff do not make it. That's not to say there are no surprise results but even allowing for that it's a big ask for them. Pos Team P GD Pts 1 Man City 38 +74 94 2 Liverpool 38 +66 91 3 Tottenham 38 +34 80 4 Man Utd 38 +26 80 5 Arsenal 38 +29 76 6 Chelsea 38 +27 76 7 Leicester 38 +1 51 8 Wolverhampton 38 -4 51 9 Watford 38 -4 50 10 Everton 38 +5 49 11 West Ham 38 -5 49 12 Bournemouth 38 -15 46 13 Newcastle 38 -12 43 14 Southampton 38 -15 42 15 Crystal Palace 38 -7 41 16 Brighton 38 -14 38 17 Burnley 38 -28 36 18 Cardiff 38 -34 29 19 Fulham 38 -52 25 20 Huddersfield 38 -52 17you think Fulham are going to get another 8 points, blimey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 1 April, 2019 Share Posted 1 April, 2019 Cardiff’s games against Burnley and Brighton are huge for them now. They probably need to win both. Hopefully can get completely safe in next 3 games, leaving a handful of games for experimentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 1 April, 2019 Share Posted 1 April, 2019 Cardiff’s games against Burnley and Brighton are huge for them now. They probably need to win both. Hopefully can get completely safe in next 3 games, leaving a handful of games for experimentation. Would like to see the likes of Slattery, Ramsay, Vokins, Sims, Johnson and Barnes given some gametime if this was the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joneth Posted 1 April, 2019 Share Posted 1 April, 2019 I'm going to curse us now and we'll go down, but I don't think its completely impossible that we go on a mad run and win our last 6 games which would put us right in the mix for 7th. Lots of teams cruising, already down or just plain rubbish. Imagine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 3 April, 2019 Share Posted 3 April, 2019 UPDATED: 3rd April 2019 Crystal Palace - 36 Points (-5GD) April 06 - Newcastle - Palace April 14 - Palace v Man City April 21 - Arsenal - Palace April 27 - Palace v Everton May 04 - Cardiff v Palace May 12 - Palace v Bournemouth Newcastle - 35 Points (-11GD) April 06 - Newcastle United v Crystal Palace April 13 - Leicester City v Newcastle United April 20 - Newcastle United v Southampton April 27 - Brighton v Newcastle United May 04 - Newcastle United v Liverpool May 12 - Fulham v Newcastle United Brighton - 33 Points (-14GD) April 13 - Brighton v Bournemouth April 16 - Brighton v Cardiff April 20 - Wolves v Brighton April 23 - Tottenham v Brighton April 27 - Brighton v Newcastle United May 04 - Arsenal v Brighton May 12 - Brighton v Man City Saints - 33 Points (-15GD) April 5 - Southampton v Liverpool April 13 - Southampton v Wolverhampton Wanderers April 20 - Newcastle v Southampton April 23 - Watford v Southampton April 27 - Southampton v Bournemouth May 04 - West Ham United v Southampton May 12 - Southampton v Huddersfield Burnley - 33 Points (-22GD) April 06 - AFC Bournemouth v Burnley April 13 - Burnley v Cardiff City April 20 - Chelsea v Burnley April 27 - Burnley v Manchester City May 04 - Everton v Burnley May 12 - Burnley v Arsenal Cardiff - 28 Points (-33GD) April 13 - Burnley v Cardiff City April 16 - Brighton v Cardiff City April 20 - Cardiff City v Liverpool April 27 - Fulham v Cardiff City May 4 - Cardiff City v Crystal Palace May 12 - Manchester United v Cardiff City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 April, 2019 Share Posted 3 April, 2019 The Saints are staying up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 3 April, 2019 Share Posted 3 April, 2019 I would say our points requirement has been downgraded to 4. Would mean that Cardiff need 10 points from 18 to overtake us. Wins against Brighton(A), Fulham(A) and Palace(H) present their best opportunity but even thats not enough if they win all three. Cant see them getting anything from Burnley(A), Liverpool(H) and United(A). A point against Liverpool would be huge but even if we lose, 4 points from our remaining six games shouldnt be an issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 3 April, 2019 Share Posted 3 April, 2019 It's possible, but unlikely, that Cardiff could get four wins, so I'm sticking with us needing 7 to be safe. Although if Cardiff get those wins, it'll draw Burnley and/or Brighton into the mix. In any case, two wins and a draw shouldn't be beyond us. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 3 April, 2019 Share Posted 3 April, 2019 I think 5 points will be enough for us to stay up, 3 of which we'll get on the last day, meaning we need 2 points from 6 games...should be doable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 3 April, 2019 Share Posted 3 April, 2019 I think 5 points will be enough for us to stay up, 3 of which we'll get on the last day, meaning we need 2 points from 6 games...should be doable! Lets not leave it until the last game, had enough of that over the years lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 3 April, 2019 Share Posted 3 April, 2019 I reckon Cardiff are toast. The bookies now have them at about 1/8 to go down. Saints are about 66/1. Obviously, they can technically win all their last six games and get 18 more points. But if they keep up their present points per game rate, they will only get about 5 more points. They really need six points to overtake us (due to our better GD) even if we lose all of our remaining games. Looking at their run in, it's a mix of matches against the top teams and others involved in the relegation scrap. My guess would be they are only going to pick up 4, 5 or 6 points. Maybe lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 3 April, 2019 Share Posted 3 April, 2019 Cardiff's next two games away to Burnley and Brighton are pretty critical as even if they win they might drag the other two further into it. A few points in our next two home games could see us in a healthy position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 3 April, 2019 Share Posted 3 April, 2019 I still think we're safe, give or take a point or two. Reading the Cardiff forum they're not concerned with catching us, just Burnley. We should really be looking up now looking at where we could finish; 12th is still possible, I think beyond that is unlikely. If you offered me 14th now I'd take it. Over-confident? Perhaps, but that's the Hasenhuttl effect. This is the most comfortable relegation battle we've been in the 30 years of supporting Saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 3 April, 2019 Share Posted 3 April, 2019 Burnley must beat Cardiff, as thereafter their fixtures are a nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 3 April, 2019 Share Posted 3 April, 2019 Relax - think we are as safe as houses. I fully expect us to finish much higher up than we are now. If we strengthen in attack (which we have failed to do the last 2 years since Pelle left) I reckon we will be challenging for 'best of the rest' next season. RH has made a massive difference and I think 2 or 3 players is all we need in the summer and try to shift a lot of the deadweight (even if we subsidise wages). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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