saint1977 Posted 10 February, 2019 Share Posted 10 February, 2019 On par, but getting worse. Seemingly because he has no interest in us, none at all. If he was a passionate owner as our Ralph claims him to be...then he'd have bothered to learn English and given us some concrete proposals on his plans going forward. At the end of the day his actions speak louder than words, and all his actions have been is to sell and get rid, whilst not investing a penny. This entire charade seems to have been simply an ego boost for himself and his franchises in China, a quick and easy sale for Kat as she needed money urgently, whilst helping him jump on the football bandwagon they’re trying to promote over there. None of this is being done in the interests of us guys who spend our money to line his pockets. This entire takeover screamed alarm bells from the moment he initially failed any test. Yep, that’s my view of it as well and why I won’t attend home games until he has gone lock, stock and barrel. He’s no better than the likes of Chainrai who the skates had to endure. KL has soiled her father’s name in association with SFC and the first thing I would do if Gao is re-name the academy after MLT. I doubt she would be bothered as she’s made plenty of money out of us yet wants leach yet more. Wouldn’t have minded her selling at a healthy profit at all but never to someone as clearly dubious as that. As far as I’m concerned SFC passed away in 2017 and doesn’t exist again until he has gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 February, 2019 Share Posted 10 February, 2019 Yep, that’s my view of it as well and why I won’t attend home games until he has gone lock, stock and barrel. He’s no better than the likes of Chainrai who the skates had to endure. KL has soiled her father’s name in association with SFC and the first thing I would do if Gao is re-name the academy after MLT. I doubt she would be bothered as she’s made plenty of money out of us yet wants leach yet more. Wouldn’t have minded her selling at a healthy profit at all but never to someone as clearly dubious as that. As far as I’m concerned SFC passed away in 2017 and doesn’t exist again until he has gone. It’s this sort of passion that Gao fell in love with when hunting for a club to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singapore Saint Posted 10 February, 2019 Share Posted 10 February, 2019 Eh, I don't buy this reasoning at all. Lander aren't a general real-estate development company, and Gao doesn't seem to have any significant business interest outside Lander and his ownership of Saints (and Lander's value has collapsed over the past few years, making a simultaneous international expansion AND a broadening in their commercial focus quite a stretch - not to mention Gao has sold off the majority of his Lander holdings in the last few months anyway). I think it far more likely that buying the club was a way to transfer wealth to a more liberal regulatory environment. Acquire the club with money borrowed from outside PRC, and either sell it in a few years for a profit or use the club's own ever-increasing revenues to pay off the debt, and one way or another you have moved over £200m out from under the nose of the Chinese government. Money laundering then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 10 February, 2019 Share Posted 10 February, 2019 Biggest problem is who is going to buy us? Kat sold to the only guy who was interested if there had been a better offer she would would have taken it. No one wants to buy Newcastle who have been for sale for ages. I'm sure our majority owner would happily sell to someone who offered him a good price. Owners with really financial muscle and a desire to use it to further a football club aren't exactly ten to a penny. Even if you do find one they need to be a bit more astute than just throwing cash at the first team like say Everton. You ideal want someone with deep pockets and ambition to improve the whole club with that cash. I'd happily see the current lot do one but I doubt there are vast numbers of (or even any) buyers lined up to buy SFC. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 10 February, 2019 Share Posted 10 February, 2019 He’s doing a great job. On the football side We cut salary expenditure significantly during January and made a profit in the transfer window from player sales. We have a marketing department on board with every cause there is, note the recent acclaim we got for flying the trannie flag on our twitter feed supporting transgender rights. What With the fans forums to keep it touch with what’s going on, the new gas works bar, pre match light display and the wide arrange of foodstuff available in the kiosks its arguable that that the match day experience has never been better. post of the day goes to Turkish, nawty boy:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 10 February, 2019 Share Posted 10 February, 2019 Money laundering then? No, nothing illegal about a debt-financing. It's what the Glazer's did to United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 10 February, 2019 Share Posted 10 February, 2019 (edited) No, nothing illegal about a debt-financing. It's what the Glazer's did to United. Well, it depends on the source of his repayment funds doesn't it? You could buy a company with debt and use dirty money to repay the debt. Then you end up with a clean asset. That would very much be a type of money laundering. I'm not saying he has done that. I have no idea what the source of his money is. All we know is that he was a significant witness in a corruption trial in China and apparently he failed the ownership tests first time round. Plus what was ostensibly his main source of wealth in China, Lander, appears to have gone to ****. And he doesn't appear to have any plan or vision, other than trying to leverage his profile in Asia. On the face of it, and based on what he's done so far, he appears to be a terrible owner and the personification of the increasing ****eness of English football. There is no English football league, there is only football played in England. Edited 11 February, 2019 by benjii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 Do people still believe this utter horsesh it? Just imagine if you can, that I know this because somebody I know works at the club and is well informed. Imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 Just imagine if you can, that I know this because somebody I know works at the club and is well informed. Imagine. Evidently not on this subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 It's probably true. Look at all those football clubs Taylor Wimpey and Arup are buying up so they can carry out unconnected property development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 Just imagine if you can, that I know this because somebody I know works at the club and is well informed. Imagine. I imagined it when he first bought the club, you don’t need to be a brain surgeon to work out that he has no interest in Sfc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 I wouldn't feel sorry for the guy, he's no wallflower. He was initially blocked by the prem league chairmen over his dodgy past (including giving evidence that led to a corrupt politician getting the lethal injection) but somehow Kat (who did a number on him) managed to squeeze him through. Doesn't help us though, we and him are stuck and any potential suitor (if there are any) would want to drive an extremely hard deal which he probably couldn't even afford. Had big doubts about him all along, the best thing he did was bring in Ralph but Ralph isn't going to hang around too long under a guy who is probably content with 17th place ad infinitum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 Evidently not on this subject Whether you believe it is up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 Whether you believe it is up to you. Given i know the person working directly with Gao's on this (or they were until they were replaced by Chinese representatives) i know you're right. Mind you there's some people on here with very weird jealousy about this stuff who refuse to believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 If the folk running the Club had any financial nous, they would have seen an opportunity to both:- 1) avoid relegation and the financial meltdown in most of Gao's £200m investment/loan and 2) the opportunity to have lifted the team by a further £10m to £15m in the Merit (league position) revenues. It just needed them to buy a solid reliable inform striker, of which £15m would have been a bargain for Che. Which is all very well if Birmingham were happy to sell, which clearly they were not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 It's probably true. Look at all those football clubs Taylor Wimpey and Arup are buying up so they can carry out unconnected property development. Arup (engineers) have bought a football team? Tell me more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 Arup (engineers) have bought a football team? Tell me more. To help them win some property mandates. It's obvious. I know someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 Hes currently in the UK and yesterday was at a meeting with the minister of sport mims davies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzUXUD5WoAA5B-o.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 MimsDaviesMP @mimsdavies Yesterday I caught up with owner @SouthamptonFC Mr Gao in #Westminster to hear of his plans for club. Positive & productive meeting about its importance to the City & area by remaining focussed on being a thriving, community led, inclusive club strongly connected with its fans ⚽️ What a load of ****e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzUXUD5WoAA5B-o.jpg Riveting for both of them. Perhaps Mims is going to buy him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 Hes currently in the UK and yesterday was at a meeting with the minister of sport mims davies She's a local MP innit. Got an office in Hedge End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 MimsDaviesMP @mimsdavies Yesterday I caught up with owner @SouthamptonFC Mr Gao in #Westminster to hear of his plans for club. Positive & productive meeting about its importance to the City & area by remaining focussed on being a thriving, community led, inclusive club strongly connected with its fans ⚽️ What a load of ****e. Did he show her his 5 pledges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 She's a local MP innit. Got an office in Hedge End.Eastleigh MP. Maybe she was trying to get him to invest in the Eastleigh FC a club more in his budget.... Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 Eastleigh MP. Maybe she was trying to get him to invest in the Eastleigh FC a club more in his budget.... ... or discussing a new 50,000 seater stadium at Stoneham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 MimsDaviesMP @mimsdavies Yesterday I caught up with owner @SouthamptonFC Mr Gao in #Westminster to hear of his plans for club. Positive & productive meeting about its importance to the City & area by remaining focussed on being a thriving, community led, inclusive club strongly connected with its fans ⚽️ What a load of ****e. I look forward to that starting then - would help if he communicated with the fans for a start ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 She's a local MP innit. Got an office in Hedge End. Is she a sports minister? Must be something to do with that rather than just being a local mp , neither the stadium or training ground are in her constituency so can't see the relevance of the meeting. They should publish the minutes of the meeting, strange behaviour, no idea what Gao is up to but he's definitely a shifty character and the club doesn't look like its going improve under his ownership. Wonder who initiated the meeting and how he can justify a private audience with a member of parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 Is she a sports minister? Must be something to do with that rather than just being a local mp , neither the stadium or training ground are in her constituency so can't see the relevance of the meeting. They should publish the minutes of the meeting, strange behaviour, no idea what Gao is up to but he's definitely a shifty character and the club doesn't look like its going improve under his ownership. Wonder who initiated the meeting and how he can justify a private audience with a member of parliament. Or how she feels meeting with him is beneficial, other than safeguarding the mental health of some of her constituents who are worried sh!tless over Gao's plans and handling of the club. Still she probably finds it a welcome change from the Brexit debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 Or how she feels meeting with him is beneficial, other than safeguarding the mental health of some of her constituents who are worried sh!tless over Gao's plans and handling of the club. Still she probably finds it a welcome change from the Brexit debate. Or battling EBC over their mental development plans, a task for which she has demonstrated spectacular ineptitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 I am one her constituents. Wtf does she think she is doing ... She does does the sum total of nothing in her own constituency and finds time to waste talking to a foreigner in another constituency- typical of her incompetence. What about the massive pollution in Hamble lady? What about looking after some important issues on your own patch like planning on the overcrowded over polluted Hamble peninsula just being waved through and wrecking the environment and quality of life??? Leave Saints alone ...!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 You think she’s bad, our joke of an MP doesn’t even have a ****ing email address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 February, 2019 Share Posted 14 February, 2019 (edited) Just imagine if you can, that I know this because somebody I know works at the club and is well informed. Imagine.Time will tell, won't it. All I know is if a Chinese businessman wanted to spend millions/billions developing property in Southampton then buying the local, privately owned football club is utterly pointless and completely unnecessary course of action. Just buy some land, mate. That, kinda, "open doors" with "council chiefs" entirely by itself. If he wants to schmooze council leaders at the football then he could just buy an executive box. Edited 14 February, 2019 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 Time will tell, won't it. All I know is if a Chinese businessman wanted to spend millions/billions developing property in Southampton then buying the local, privately owned football club is utterly pointless and completely unnecessary course of action. Just buy some land, mate. That, kinda, "open doors" with "council chiefs" entirely by itself. If he wants to schmooze council leaders at the football then he could just buy an executive box. But…maybe…the football club is bang in the middle of the bit of land he may have had his eyes on? Who knows what the long-term plans of Markus Liebherr were but I believe it’s not exactly a secret that his attraction to buying SFC was coupled with the potential to redevelop the area in front of and alongside the stadium. Kat is an acquaintance of the Gaos, she may have sold them the vision? The riverside will eventually be redeveloped all the way from Ocean Village to the old Meridian studios, the industrial areas are slowly being replaced, as leases end the land will, no doubt, be sold off to developers. Unfortunately for the football club they missed the boat on bidding for the land in front of SMS over to the river. It wouldn’t surprise me if Liebherr/Cortese saw the potential of the footprint of the stadium in redeveloping this entire area and who knows if they secretly may have wanted to relocate SFC to free up the land long term? Having said that, money is being spent behind the scenes at the stadium upgrading corporate facilities and the dressing room areas in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 But…maybe…the football club is bang in the middle of the bit of land he may have had his eyes on? Who knows what the long-term plans of Markus Liebherr were but I believe it’s not exactly a secret that his attraction to buying SFC was coupled with the potential to redevelop the area in front of and alongside the stadium. Kat is an acquaintance of the Gaos, she may have sold them the vision? The riverside will eventually be redeveloped all the way from Ocean Village to the old Meridian studios, the industrial areas are slowly being replaced, as leases end the land will, no doubt, be sold off to developers. Unfortunately for the football club they missed the boat on bidding for the land in front of SMS over to the river. It wouldn’t surprise me if Liebherr/Cortese saw the potential of the footprint of the stadium in redeveloping this entire area and who knows if they secretly may have wanted to relocate SFC to free up the land long term? Having said that, money is being spent behind the scenes at the stadium upgrading corporate facilities and the dressing room areas in the summer. Through their own incompetency too as they didn't submit their tender in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 I am one her constituents. Wtf does she think she is doing ... She does does the sum total of nothing in her own constituency and finds time to waste talking to a foreigner in another constituency- typical of her incompetence. What about the massive pollution in Hamble lady? What about looking after some important issues on your own patch like planning on the overcrowded over polluted Hamble peninsula just being waved through and wrecking the environment and quality of life??? Leave Saints alone ...!!!! She lives in Hamble as well so you'd have thought she'd be all over trying to sort out the issues that affect her on a day to day basis. Sadly she seems utterly useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 Through their own incompetency too as they didn't submit their tender in time Yeah, I guess the long drawn-out Gao take-over takes some blame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 But…maybe…the football club is bang in the middle of the bit of land he may have had his eyes on? Who knows what the long-term plans of Markus Liebherr were but I believe it’s not exactly a secret that his attraction to buying SFC was coupled with the potential to redevelop the area in front of and alongside the stadium. Kat is an acquaintance of the Gaos, she may have sold them the vision? Eh, this sounds like dubious gossip. The wisdom of ML buying Saints was in the fact that he managed to pick up a team with a PL standard infrastructure and academy for about £15m or thereabouts. An investment entirely vindicated when his daughter sold the club at a valuation of just under £300m less than a decade later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 https://www.givemesport.com/1453518-the-premier-league-table-based-on-net-spend-over-the-past-five-seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 https://www.givemesport.com/1453518-the-premier-league-table-based-on-net-spend-over-the-past-five-seasons No wonder we are about to go down What a f-ing disgrace What makes it worse, our fans applaud it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 No wonder we are about to go down What a f-ing disgrace What makes it worse, our fans applaud it Yeh but all those other clubs are going to do a Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 Yeh but all those other clubs are going to do a Pompey. only if they start paying agent's fees..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 No wonder we are about to go down What a f-ing disgrace What makes it worse, our fans applaud it If you ever bothered to attend a match for the team you claim to support you could start a protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOWSaintDaz Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 After watching the netflix series Sunderland 'til I die the other day you can drawn some comparisions for Mr Gao to Ellis Short, like Gao is with us he also did not want to put any more of his own money into their club eithier and they got relegated twice in quick succession as a result, just hope the same doesn't happen to us but the harsh reality is if you don't spend money in the Premier league especially every year you will stand still or get worse as a result. We've had our money with the sale of pl;ayers over the last 3 seasons and spent it badly and now we are seeing the results of that failure, no one will now want to buy the vast majority of our players who are eithier in the squad on the fringes of the team or out on loan with other clubs and if we do sell it will be at a big loss Our only chance will be to train academy players and bring them through quickly to the 1st team and hope they turn into gems we can keep for a few seasons before moving on for large fees to re-invest and so the cycle begins again...........just hope we manage to cling on this time and Ralph gets backed in the summer if we do by some miracle stay up if not Ralph will be gone sharpish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 Has an owner been so hated after such a short period of time? The reality is, Gao hasn’t really done a great deal wrong (at this stage), but I think it’s fair to say that no one wanted him to take over the club and everyone can see that things are going to get bad, quickly. I saw in the news today that Amanda Staveley and the Arabs are intrested in buying a football still. I’d have them over fat Kat and Gao every day of the week. At the very least she’s something to look at (but then again who isn’t compared to Kat and Nelly). Personally I’d rather ‘do a Pompey’ and have a bit of fun whilst we’re at it, than ‘do a Pompey’ with Gao penny pinching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 (edited) Has an owner been so hated after such a short period of time? The reality is, Gao hasn’t really done a great deal wrong (at this stage), but I think it’s fair to say that no one wanted him to take over the club and everyone can see that things are going to get bad, quickly. I saw in the news today that Amanda Staveley and the Arabs are intrested in buying a football still. I’d have them over fat Kat and Gao every day of the week. At the very least she’s something to look at (but then again who isn’t compared to Kat and Nelly). Personally I’d rather ‘do a Pompey’ and have a bit of fun whilst we’re at it, than ‘do a Pompey’ with Gao penny pinching. Well, he's literally done nothing. I don't want some mad Moshiri type owner who talks ******** (and is probably fronting for someone else anyway....) but to have an owner who seemingly has no clue, money or ambition beyond getting some PR in China is just depressing. Add that to his difficulties with completing the deal and the whole thing looks pretty worrying. Then you have the other dodgy characters in football, the intermediaries nepotism, the useless FA, the corrupt FIFA, the retard pundits, the half-and-halfers, the diving, the feigning injury, the pussy refs, the tax evaders, the fact that players need someone who works at the club to order their birds some Valentines flowers for them, strikers earning millions a year that can't score a goal, bantz... the whole thing stinks. Edited 15 February, 2019 by benjii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 Has an owner been so hated after such a short period of time? The reality is, Gao hasn’t really done a great deal wrong (at this stage), but I think it’s fair to say that no one wanted him to take over the club and everyone can see that things are going to get bad, quickly. I saw in the news today that Amanda Staveley and the Arabs are intrested in buying a football still. I’d have them over fat Kat and Gao every day of the week. At the very least she’s something to look at (but then again who isn’t compared to Kat and Nelly). Personally I’d rather ‘do a Pompey’ and have a bit of fun whilst we’re at it, than ‘do a Pompey’ with Gao penny pinching. Well Amanda Staveley certainly talks a good takeover but it seems to end right there. Mr Gao paid over the odds for Saints and the sole responsable in the matter is our former owner. That's the person that should draw the ire of the fans not the chinese pidgeon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 Mr Gao paid over the odds for Saints and the sole responsable in the matter is our former owner. That's the person that should draw the ire of the fans not the chinese pidgeon. Absolutely right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 Well, he's literally done nothing. I don't want some mad Moshiri type owner who talks ******** (and is probably fronting for someone else anyway....) but to have an owner who seemingly has no clue, money or ambition beyond getting some PR in China is just depressing. Add that to his difficulties with completing the deal and the whole thing looks pretty worrying. Then you have the other dodgy characters in football, the intermediates nepotism, the useless FA, the corrupt FIFA, the retard pundits, the half-and-halfers, the diving, the feigning injury, the pussy refs, the tax evaders, the fact that players need someone who works at the club to order their birds some Valentines flowers for them, strikers earning millions a year that can't score a goal, bantz... the whole thing stinks. add football mongboards and mongboard characters to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 Yeah, and those morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 15 February, 2019 Share Posted 15 February, 2019 We have the worst owners in the league, why invest in something that you are not willing to improve. Looks to me that they want a quick buck by doing sweet FA. Sold saying they would take us to the next level! What a load of crap that was!!! Just p!ss off and give us owners who walk the talk. Trouble is they did not say what next level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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