OttawaSaint Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 2-0 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk VAR to the rescue. Phew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 1-0 VAR offside pedantry is punishing creative, attacking teams I think. May at least partly explain the lack lustre results of a lot of flair teams this season. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 WHU 1-1 Leicester Other scores not too kind to us so far today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 VAR to the rescue. Phew.Absolute joke. Var is killing football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Absolute joke. Var is killing football. Should take it from foot positions, not leading edges of extended bits of hand or arm. Pukki’s feet were about 20 cm behind the defender’s. Therefore He was stood behind the defender when the ball was played. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Should take it from foot positions, not leading edges of extended bits of hand or arm. Pukki’s feet were about 20 cm behind the defender’s. Therefore He was stood behind the defender when the ball was played. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt should be clear and obvious. It wasn't clear and it certainly wasn't obvious so the referees decision should stand. Mental to call that offside and var has not got rid of controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 December, 2019 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Should take it from foot positions, not leading edges of extended bits of hand or arm. Pukki’s feet were about 20 cm behind the defender’s. Therefore He was stood behind the defender when the ball was played. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk All that does it shift the measuring of millimetres to somewhere else... that cat is out of the bag now with VAR! All because the linos/refs/officials have been appalling in recent years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 All that does it shift the measuring of millimetres to somewhere else... that cat is out of the bag now with VAR! All because the linos/refs/officials have been appalling in recent years!Be honest, that Norwich offside decision is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Norwich 2-1 Spurs WHU 1-2 Leicester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Norwich 2-1 up now, can’t see spurs losing two in a row...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashnats Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Norwich 2-1 up now, can’t see spurs losing two in a row...... Spurs form, just games following losses, this season: DDLDWWW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Be honest, that Norwich offside decision is ridiculous. MOTD is going to have a field day tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Norwich 2-2 Spurs. Kane PK. 5+ stoppages left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 MOTD is going to have a field day tonight. 3 of these today. Brighton Palace Norwich Offside was designed to prevent goal hanging, not supposed to be measured as precisely as this. VAR should only be intervening when a clear mistake has been made like that David Silva 6 yards offside bull**** against us a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 3 of these today. Brighton Palace Norwich Offside was designed to prevent goal hanging, not supposed to be measured as precisely as this. VAR should only be intervening when a clear mistake has been made like that David Silva 6 yards offside bull**** against us a few years back.All three of them should have been goals tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Anyone else think Kane just fell over the defender? VAR review barely looked at it. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 With defeats for Bournemouth, West Ham & Villa, results have gone well for us. Stop all the whingeing about VAR ffs. Without its fairness, we'd be in real trouble this season. The whole point is that it is fair and there is no bias shown towards the big clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Great bounce back for Leicester today. Was a real test for them after City n Liverpool results + Vardy out. Said it before, but what a great job Rodgers has/is doing. 2nd in the league half way through the season - WOW On the flip probably sees the end of Pellegrini at West Ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Great bounce back for Leicester today. Was a real test for them after City n Liverpool results + Vardy out. Said it before, but what a great job Rodgers has/is doing. 2nd in the league half way through the season - WOW On the flip probably sees the end of Pellegrini at West Ham It has been a vintage season so far, almost on a par with the 2015/16 season. Leicester, Man City and Wolves are all playing highly entertaining, attacking football but Liverpool are the best team in the world and as many pundits have said, one of the best teams this country has ever seen. I watched Wolves beat Man City the other night and what a great game that was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Pellegrini sacked by WHU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Wonder if they press the fat Sam button. Or Moyes Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 (edited) Pellegrini swap for Pochettino? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited 28 December, 2019 by adrian lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Benitez? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Anyone else think Kane just fell over the defender? VAR review barely looked at it. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk No that was a clear pen, it was clever by Kane the little drag back did the defender with ease and he basically cleaned him out. Don't get all the moaning about VAR, offside is offside, doesn't matter if it's a knee or 10 yards, you'd complain if they gave the ball not the wholeway across the line as a goal, so what difference is offside? The right decisions are being made, it's the only clear cut bit of VAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Benitez? Good shout. Hope not though, that'll be them safe and one less team to help us finish above the dreaded 18th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Wonder if they press the fat Sam button. Or Moyes Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThey've already had both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 December, 2019 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Chris Houghton and Moyes favourites. Pulis was contacted a few weeks back, apparently Bit of a come down for them. No doubt we will hear about how crap the stadium is, again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 December, 2019 Share Posted 28 December, 2019 Benitez? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Supposedly Benitez is locked into some very expensive contract in China which has ruled him out, SSN saying its Moyes. Not a bad appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 Should take it from foot positions, not leading edges of extended bits of hand or arm. Pukki’s feet were about 20 cm behind the defender’s. Therefore He was stood behind the defender when the ball was played. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk VAR is doing exactly what is says about offside, if a part of the body that you can legally score with is beyond last man by even a mm then it's offside, it's simple as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 Benitez? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk His current gig in China will probably be the biggest money with the least pressure job he has had, unless he hates Chinese life, why would you want to go to West Ham especially having left one basket case owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout-Tickler Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 VAR is doing exactly what is says about offside, if a part of the body that you can legally score with is beyond last man by even a mm then it's offside, it's simple as that Does anyone know the accuracy of the system? I honestly don't believe it can be accurate down to 1mm, that must be within the error in which case the attacker should get the benefit. The way VAR is going I honestly don't know what the point of having on field officials is? I must be getting old but it's sterilising the game for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 Does anyone know the accuracy of the system? I honestly don't believe it can be accurate down to 1mm, that must be within the error in which case the attacker should get the benefit. The way VAR is going I honestly don't know what the point of having on field officials is? I must be getting old but it's sterilising the game for me. It’s nowhere near that accurate. I would put it at more than a hundred times worse than that. And don’t forget that the freeze-frame that they use doesn’t accurately show the moment that the pass is made and you have further error. If VAR must be used then it should be for very obvious mistakes such as Gabbi’s disallowed effort at Wembley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 You can't and shouldn't give off sides on a toe when using just 50 frames per second I'm just grateful that VAR has been mostly kind to us, as when we get a few of these against us people will be rightly annoyed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 VAR is doing exactly what is says about offside, if a part of the body that you can legally score with is beyond last man by even a mm then it's offside, it's simple as that But that's the problem, it is not as simple as that. The VAR tools are not completely accurate, and it is impossible to determine exactly when the ball was kicked. The real problem is that VAR is trying to accurately measure something that is immeasurable and should not be measured in the first place. The whole point of the offside rule is to prevent an attacking player gaining an unfair advantage. The law was changed only back in 1990 to bring in the concept of the attacking player being level with the 2nd last defender. It was introduced in the days before the technology, and was a judgement call, it was thought that this was easier to determine and from the point of view of a linesman's eye it was. But "level" was never meant to be a scientific factor. There is no advantage of having the width of your toenail in front of a defender, or your nose or your armpit. The IFA need to change the offside law so that it is based more on "gaining an advantage", and allow the linesmen to do their job and make the judgement call without the use of VAR. No problem with VAR for other parts of the game, but to use it for offside using the current offside rule is stupid. Not even convinced VAR got it right yesterday with the Zaha incident, think we got lucky there. Cannot see what part of Zaha they considered was in front of what part of Stephens, but that's a different argument. As Danny Mills said on MOTD 3 good goals were wiped off yesterday in the PL, we should be encouraging more goals not taking them away, none of the three were scored due to any tangible unfair advantage to the attacking player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 He was offside by a fraction. The Norwich one was ludicrous. It's the application of VAR that is at fault on these. Ie it's still refs making mistakes. It should be done to favour goals and perhaps only judging legs/feet? Seems ridiculous when it's a fingernail Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 And don’t forget that the freeze-frame that they use doesn’t accurately show the moment that the pass is made and you have further error. It's amazing how little focus there is on the point of contact with the ball from the through ball. Getting that right is essential to knowing the outcome, yet there seems little scrutiny or time taken to determine that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 He was offside by a fraction. The Norwich one was ludicrous. It's the application of VAR that is at fault on these. Ie it's still refs making mistakes. It should be done to favour goals and perhaps only judging legs/feet? Seems ridiculous when it's a fingernail Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk so he was Offside you are either offside or onside if you are only a bit offside you are still offside. Offside should bee easy, especially with new technology, it should be black and white like a throw in or a corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 It's amazing how little focus there is on the point of contact with the ball from the through ball. Getting that right is essential to knowing the outcome, yet there seems little scrutiny or time taken to determine that. Do we know that? I assumed they froze the image when the ball is kicked and then zoom in on the players who could be offside and check. either way its still got to be more accurate than a bloke with a flag who is frequently failing to keep up with play or distracted by a passing pigeon. VAR is here because linesmen and Refs where missing so many calls in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 It's amazing how little focus there is on the point of contact with the ball from the through ball. Getting that right is essential to knowing the outcome, yet there seems little scrutiny or time taken to determine that. Yes, true. A least they use the 'rocker' in cricket, running it forwards and backwards. Works well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 so he was Offside you are either offside or onside if you are only a bit offside you are still offside. Offside should bee easy, especially with new technology, it should be black and white like a throw in or a corner. yes. as i said, he was offside, by a fraction. ergo offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 Arsenal capitulated in the last few minutes and lost 2-1 at home to Chelsea. Arsenal sit only 2pts ahead of us. Would be funny if they don’t get it together any time soon and drop further. Would be interesting to see if they have the mettle for a relegation scrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 18 games to go, and only 6 points above 18th. Arsenal are in a relegation battle at the start of January! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 so he was Offside you are either offside or onside if you are only a bit offside you are still offside. Offside should bee easy, especially with new technology, it should be black and white like a throw in or a corner. It's not easy at all. Needs to take into account moment ball is kicked and multiple players, and players are rather nebulously shaped compared to a sphere (ball) or a straight line. Then the nebulous shape only has parts that count (legal goal scoring parts), the pitch is not flat and then the frame length of a TV camera has to be considered. The answer should be to remove the need for VAR for offside by easing the definition of offside to focus more on the 'gaining an unfair advantage' rather than trying to precisely measure something that is imprecise by definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 I think they should only judge the offside on the part of the body used after the pass is played. That way a the concept gaining an advantage is paramount. For example, if the players feet are onside when the pass is played and he only uses his feet after the pass then he should be onside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 It's not easy at all. Needs to take into account moment ball is kicked and multiple players, and players are rather nebulously shaped compared to a sphere (ball) or a straight line. Then the nebulous shape only has parts that count (legal goal scoring parts), the pitch is not flat and then the frame length of a TV camera has to be considered. The answer should be to remove the need for VAR for offside by easing the definition of offside to focus more on the 'gaining an unfair advantage' rather than trying to precisely measure something that is imprecise by definition. Yes They should still use VAR to freeze the moment if it is close, but, crucially, then allow the referee to make the decision, viewing it pitch side, as to whether the attacker gained an unfair advantage or not. If a sensible change in the offside rule is required for that then so be it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 Ahem...Wolves decision now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 Fcking VAR is all the talk is about. No way handball though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 Joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout-Tickler Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 Remember when people said VAR would end all the controversy over decisions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 It's not easy at all. Needs to take into account moment ball is kicked and multiple players, and players are rather nebulously shaped compared to a sphere (ball) or a straight line. Then the nebulous shape only has parts that count (legal goal scoring parts), the pitch is not flat and then the frame length of a TV camera has to be considered. The answer should be to remove the need for VAR for offside by easing the definition of offside to focus more on the 'gaining an unfair advantage' rather than trying to precisely measure something that is imprecise by definition. To be fair it doesn’t have to be that precise. If you are giving the benefit of doubt to the attacker then you freeze it when there has obviously been contact with the ball (probably a split second after the ball has been struck). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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