Baird of the land Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 Well without looking Newcastle have Scharr and Laselles Wolves have Boly and Coady Everton have Keane and Mina Brighton have Dunk and Duffy West ham have Diop and Ogbonna What's the point you are making, that they all have some equally average centre backs as there's very few worldies in there.
danjosaint Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 What's the point you are making, that they all have some equally average centre backs as there's very few worldies in there. That wasnt the point, the point was have those teams got 2 better cbs in there squad than yoshi, and those have, never said they were worldies
verlaine1979 Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 Prem teams Yoshi would get game time for, if any of these teams have two better CBs than Yoshi i'll be surprised. Arsenal maybe, none of the others? Bournemouth Arsenal Aston Villa Brighton Burnley Crystal Palace Everton Newcastle Norwich Sheff utd Saints Watford West Ham Wolves You genuinely believe Yoshida would be the second-best CB at every one of those teams? Madness.
saint1977 Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 I’d heard we enquired about Christiensen, perhaps crossed wires somewhere or we were knocked back for him but told Tomori was available... Would be a very good move IMO. Having managed him last season, Lampard might feel Tomori is ready for mid table PL as a significant step up but that pushing for top 4 he isn't consistent enough for yet. Christiansen is more likely to be a first teamer at Chelsea now. Tomori will make mistakes but has recovery pace and also the likes of Vest and Bednarek are good defenders who read the game well but benefit from more pace alongside them. Yoshi is the only one with any pace at present and would keep him. Not sure what that might mean for Hoedt, if RH thinks his attitude is better might he sell one of the other CBs who someone is more likely to want?
supersonic Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 We've agreed terms with a kid called Diamond Edwards from Reading. £160,000 up front with the potential of £1.3m total depending on appearances etc. 16 years old, midfielder, very highly rated within RFC but refused to sign a new contract. Decent Left peg on him. Seems like win-win for all clubs involved.
DT Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 He’s not. One of the reasons we’ve conceded so many goals over the last couple of seasons has been the lack of protection offered by the defensive midfield. He seems a nice guy but in reality is no better than an average premier league midfielder such as Isaac Hayden, Ki Sung-yueng or Dale Stephens. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Wanyama is available... ;-) But I agree. Get a good CB and a good defensive CM and we'd be really not bad at all. As it stands we might score a few, but we will leak like a sieve.
DT Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 We've agreed terms with a kid called Diamond Edwards from Reading. £160,000 up front with the potential of £1.3m total depending on appearances etc. 16 years old, midfielder, very highly rated within RFC but refused to sign a new contract. Decent Left peg on him. Seems like win-win for all clubs involved. Let's hope we've unearthed a...oh never mind
labibs Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 Would be a very good move IMO. Having managed him last season, Lampard might feel Tomori is ready for mid table PL as a significant step up but that pushing for top 4 he isn't consistent enough for yet. Christiansen is more likely to be a first teamer at Chelsea now. Tomori will make mistakes but has recovery pace and also the likes of Vest and Bednarek are good defenders who read the game well but benefit from more pace alongside them. Yoshi is the only one with any pace at present and would keep him. Not sure what that might mean for Hoedt, if RH thinks his attitude is better might he sell one of the other CBs who someone is more likely to want? Chelsea demanded a £9m loan fee for Zouma, when he went to stoke. Not sure what Everton paid. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them ask something similar for Tomori. Plenty of premier league clubs will be interested. No chance at that kind of fee IMO
Matthew Le God Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 We've agreed terms with a kid called Diamond Edwards from Reading. £160,000 up front with the potential of £1.3m total depending on appearances etc. 16 years old, midfielder, very highly rated within RFC but refused to sign a new contract. Decent Left peg on him. Seems like win-win for all clubs involved. I doubt Reading will view it as a win. That is the default compensation package and isn't a huge amount.
labibs Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 Prem teams Yoshi would get game time for, if any of these teams have two better CBs than Yoshi i'll be surprised. Arsenal maybe, none of the others? Bournemouth Arsenal Aston Villa Brighton Burnley Crystal Palace Everton Newcastle Norwich Sheff utd Saints Watford West Ham Wolves Look at it the other way, none of these sides have 2 CBs you wouldn’t swap Yoshi? Keane and Mina? Sakho and Tomkins? Lascelles and Schar?
Saint Garrett Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 Ciaran Clark available for £5m - arguably better than what we have got...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 Ciaran Clark available for £5m - arguably better than what we have got... Is he? I'd rather have Bednarek, Vestergaard & Yoshida!
SuperSAINT Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 We've agreed terms with a kid called Diamond Edwards from Reading. £160,000 up front with the potential of £1.3m total depending on appearances etc. 16 years old, midfielder, very highly rated within RFC but refused to sign a new contract. Decent Left peg on him. Seems like win-win for all clubs involved. Is this confirmed yet? Only saw it reported by Football-Insider, who have a pretty patchy record with us.
wild-saint Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 Is he? I'd rather have Bednarek, Vestergaard & Yoshida! well as he is arguing that he is I would suggest yes it is arguable particularly as you are arguing that he isn't.
saint1977 Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 Chelsea demanded a £9m loan fee for Zouma, when he went to stoke. Not sure what Everton paid. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them ask something similar for Tomori. Plenty of premier league clubs will be interested. No chance at that kind of fee IMO May come back again to who we can shift (or not). If Hoedt and Lemina had already left, I doubt this would be an option on the table and the club would be looking to buy, but if Tomori fits what RH wants to do, then £9m loan fee is steep (Zouma was a more senior player though) but insignificant compared to another year's PL football. If we finished 9-12th, that would be recouped easily as well.
supersonic Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 I doubt Reading will view it as a win. That is the default compensation package and isn't a huge amount. Given their financial predicament, any money in at the moment is a blessing for them. Obviously they’d have liked to have kept him, but £160k minimum for a 16 year old nowhere near the first team isn’t bad for them
Baird of the land Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 That wasnt the point, the point was have those teams got 2 better cbs in there squad than yoshi, and those have, never said they were worldies But they haven't got better by and large. They are largely the same standard.
qwertyell Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 Martin Hinteregger signs for Eintract Frankfurt. Only vaguely linked to us - possibly on account of being Austrian - but that's another CB to cross off. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk
musesaint Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 I hope we can score a lot of goals this season coz at this rate and with no new CB in sight we’ll be conceding a hatful again
saint77 Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 Finally a link to a CB Benoît Badiashile. Although expensive and young
S-Clarke Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2019/southampton-have-entered-the-race-for-monaco-defender-benoit-badiashile/
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2019/southampton-have-entered-the-race-for-monaco-defender-benoit-badiashile/ Decoy...
S-Clarke Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 Decoy... Do you think something is still happening with Upamecano? Can't see how we'd afford either of these guys to be honest.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 July, 2019 Posted 30 July, 2019 Do you think something is still happening with Upamecano? Can't see how we'd afford either of these guys to be honest. I've said it before and I'll say it again, we need to sell before we buy...but if you want a team to reduce the price of a highly rated teenage French CB down to a level that Saints can afford (under £30m), then convince the other team that it is not the only highly rated teenage French CB you're looking at.
Maya's Dad Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 immensely harsh on yoshida who has come a long long way from the days where a mistake would throw away the game every time he played...those backpasses to the keeper...heartattack every time. he has improved tremendously since and i believe he is our longest serving player and deserves credit for that. saying that i dont think he is a nailed on starter and if we do play a 2 i'd rather start with bednarek and vest and still be looking to replace one with a commanding cb. just look how yoshida was immediately better when playing next to vvd, we really need to shift hoedt or stephens in my opinion and get somebody of that mould in
damers Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 https://foreverwestham.com/2019/07/blog-topics/southampton-beating-west-ham-in-race-to-sign-claude-maurice/
SuperSAINT Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2019/southampton-have-entered-the-race-for-monaco-defender-benoit-badiashile/ Not sure where the 30m is going to come from.
TWar Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 L'Equip reported Wolves were bidding £35m for this cb earlier in the window, seems he is probably out of our means.
Dusic Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 L'Equip reported Wolves were bidding £35m for this cb earlier in the window, seems he is probably out of our means.Probably. But aren't you one of the ones that thinks we will sign Upamecano? If this guy and Saliba are £30m wiyh very little first team experience then the one with actual playing experience, at a higher level, will surely be a lot more?
Matthew Le God Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 L'Equip reported Wolves were bidding £35m for this cb earlier in the window, seems he is probably out of our means. What does that mean? Did they say a bid had been made or they were thinking about it?
Faz Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 Not sure where the 30m is going to come from. Boufal £8m Reed £5m Carrillo £8m Austin £8m Lemina £15m Hesketh £3m Hoedt £10m Stephens £8m McCarthy £10m HTH
BILLY Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 Boufal £8m Reed £5m Carrillo £8m Austin £8m Lemina £15m Hesketh £3m Hoedt £10m Stephens £8m McCarthy £10m HTH Be realistic ......... Reed £0.5M Carrillo £5m Austin £5m Lemina £20m Hesketh £0.5m Hoedt £5m Stephens £2m McCarthy £5m And we'll be lucky to move 2 or 3 them on before the window closes.
SW5 SAINT Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 Be realistic ......... Reed £0.5M Carrillo £5m Austin £5m Lemina £20m Hesketh £0.5m Hoedt £5m Stephens £2m McCarthy £5m And we'll be lucky to move 2 or 3 them on before the window closes. Who thought Targett was worth £17m........
waylander Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 Boufal £8m Reed £5m Carrillo £8m Austin £8m Lemina £15m Hesketh £3m Hoedt £10m Stephens £8m McCarthy £10m HTH Only if anyone wants to buy them, which no-one does at the moment.
Faz Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 Be realistic ......... Reed £0.5M Carrillo £5m Austin £5m Lemina £20m Hesketh £0.5m Hoedt £5m Stephens £2m McCarthy £5m And we'll be lucky to move 2 or 3 them on before the window closes. Just trying to help Supersaint envision how we could raise £30m :smilie: So we are agreed that, even on your pessimistic numbers, Lemina plus 2 could see us raise £30m. Not that I think we’ll spend £30m on a CB.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 It's not just about raising £30m - if we raised half of that but reduced the wage bill significantly we'd still look at spending £30m. We do need to rid ourselves of a few high earners to do it though.
tajjuk Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 At least some links are coming up again, feels like we've not even had any rumours for the last couple of weeks. Maybe we'll see a few Ings like deals, loans with a commitment to buy or some moves with lots of instalments like Arsenal have done with Pepe
Matthew Le God Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 At least some links are coming up again, feels like we've not even had any rumours for the last couple of weeks. Better for there to be no links and something happening out of the media glare, than lots of links with no foundation to them.
Sevvy Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/994756015?-11205:798, Don't know if its been posted before but another link to us,
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/994756015?-11205:798, Don't know if its been posted before but another link to us, He’s 27 so seems unlikely. That said £1.5million seems more realistic than other targets!
igsey Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 Tom Heaton going to Villa for £8m - one less club to try and sell one of our keepers to.
maysie Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 What does that mean? Did they say a bid had been made or they were thinking about it? Any chance you can stop being a d1ck on every single thread?
Matthew Le God Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 Any chance you can stop being a d1ck on every single thread? All I did is ask a question for clarification purposes.
saint77 Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 It's not just about raising £30m - if we raised half of that but reduced the wage bill significantly we'd still look at spending £30m. We do need to rid ourselves of a few high earners to do it though. Your right we probably don’t even need the fee it’s the wages we’re paying if we shift lemina, Austin job done it’s shifting that’s the problem
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 So with Brighton about to spend £20m+ on Andy Webster from Bristol City and Sheff Utd about to spend £20m on Swansea's Oli McBurnie, other than Norwich and Burnley, do we now have the lowest transfer record in the Prem? Whilst I accept high transfers fees are no guarantee of success (see Fulham last season), surely it gives a sense of transfer market muscle? I know Brighton's outlay will be as much about Lewis Dunk's impending departure but I can't shake the feeling our ability to compete financially is diminishing even against our lower/middle table rivals. Hopefully, eventually shifting some of our unwanted higher earners will free up not only space but also our market competitiveness. I'm fine with Ralph suggesting we won't be competing in the £30 million plus market but surely the £20m - £30m market is achievable for us when squad space allows?
saints-til-i-die Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 I think our wages our much bigger than those other clubs you mention.
saints-cris Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 So with Brighton about to spend £20m+ on Andy Webster from Bristol City and Sheff Utd about to spend £20m on Swansea's Oli McBurnie, other than Norwich and Burnley, do we now have the lowest transfer record in the Prem? Whilst I accept high transfers fees are no guarantee of success (see Fulham last season), surely it gives a sense of transfer market muscle? I know Brighton's outlay will be as much about Lewis Dunk's impending departure but I can't shake the feeling our ability to compete financially is diminishing even against our lower/middle table rivals. Hopefully, eventually shifting some of our unwanted higher earners will free up not only space but also our market competitiveness. I'm fine with Ralph suggesting we won't be competing in the £30 million plus market but surely the £20m - £30m market is achievable for us when squad space allows? It's a fair point. We consistently live within our means, which is fine but it means we have to constantly find the next Mane or VD, and for every one of those is a Juanmi, Hoedt or El Younoussi. We got 75m for VD; but we can't buy players for that price, so we went the 'quantity' route and didn't really get any better for it. When you see West Ham and Leicester hitting the 40m mark on players, it leaves me a bit miffed that we've only ever gone halfway to that. At what point do we start breaking past our 12-15m threshold?
Saint Matty 76 Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 So with Brighton about to spend £20m+ on Andy Webster from Bristol City and Sheff Utd about to spend £20m on Swansea's Oli McBurnie, other than Norwich and Burnley, do we now have the lowest transfer record in the Prem? Whilst I accept high transfers fees are no guarantee of success (see Fulham last season), surely it gives a sense of transfer market muscle? I know Brighton's outlay will be as much about Lewis Dunk's impending departure but I can't shake the feeling our ability to compete financially is diminishing even against our lower/middle table rivals. Hopefully, eventually shifting some of our unwanted higher earners will free up not only space but also our market competitiveness. I'm fine with Ralph suggesting we won't be competing in the £30 million plus market but surely the £20m - £30m market is achievable for us when squad space allows? Norwich are some way lower than ours but other than them, Burnley and Watford I think we are the next lowest!
Matthew Le God Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 So with Brighton about to spend £20m+ on Andy Webster from Bristol City and Sheff Utd about to spend £20m on Swansea's Oli McBurnie' date=' other than Norwich and Burnley, do we now have the lowest transfer record in the Prem?[/quote'] Danny Ings £20m
Faz Posted 31 July, 2019 Posted 31 July, 2019 So with Brighton about to spend £20m+ on Andy Webster from Bristol City and Sheff Utd about to spend £20m on Swansea's Oli McBurnie, other than Norwich and Burnley, do we now have the lowest transfer record in the Prem? Whilst I accept high transfers fees are no guarantee of success (see Fulham last season), surely it gives a sense of transfer market muscle? I know Brighton's outlay will be as much about Lewis Dunk's impending departure but I can't shake the feeling our ability to compete financially is diminishing even against our lower/middle table rivals. Hopefully, eventually shifting some of our unwanted higher earners will free up not only space but also our market competitiveness. I'm fine with Ralph suggesting we won't be competing in the £30 million plus market but surely the £20m - £30m market is achievable for us when squad space allows? McBurnie £17m
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