hypochondriac Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Gunn / Mccarthy Maehle / Valery Bednarek / Yoshida Upamecano / vestermum Bertrand / Voskins Lemina / Slattery Hojbjerg / Romeu Boufal / JWP Djenepo / Sims Augustin / Ings Redmond / Adams Gatecrash the top 6. Woeful midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Gunn / Mccarthy Maehle / Valery Bednarek / Yoshida Upamecano / vestermum Bertrand / Voskins Lemina / Slattery Hojbjerg / Romeu Boufal / JWP Djenepo / Sims Augustin / Ings Redmond / Adams Gatecrash the top 6. No chance, unless a loan which is highly doubtful. He's already been linked with bigger clubs than us. Leipzig do appear to have stockpiled a couple of useful future prospects in him and Konate. At a push they may be willing to release Orban. If we offer enough, and he kicks up about wanting to be reunited with Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Woeful midfield. Looks alright to me, Boufal aside. Depends how good Genepi is really, never seen him play. I don’t think we’re bad at creating chances. A decent striker would have scored 15 of the opportunities Long missed this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Gunn / Mccarthy Maehle / Valery Bednarek / Yoshida Upamecano / vestermum Bertrand / Voskins Lemina / Slattery Hojbjerg / Romeu Boufal / JWP Djenepo / Sims Augustin / Ings Redmond / Adams Gatecrash the top 6. heads gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 heads goneYep. Would cost nearly £100m most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Yep. Would cost nearly £100m most likely. Not only that, we'd get absolutely demolished in midfield. Swap Romeu for Lemina, and JWP for Boufal and could work. But even then, we would struggle to sign those players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatball Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 One of the chief reasons why Pelle worked at Saints, was because we had Tadic. Too often English clubs buy strikers from Holland or Portugal etc and don't seem to look at why or how they score their goals. If the majority of the goals are two yard tap ins from crosses; and you don't play a system that includes wing-backs...it isn't going to work. The need this summer is pacey players with technical ability and a couple of energizer bunny tanks in the midfield. If we can find a striker that is able to fit in to RH's system then added bonus. I may be wrong but Tadic and Pelle didn’t play together before they came to Saints, so Pelle’s goal return in Holland had nothing to do with Tadic. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 I may be wrong but Tadic and Pelle didn’t play together before they came to Saints, so Pelle’s goal return in Holland had nothing to do with Tadic. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro I don't think that's what he was saying, it's more about understanding the type of delivery and service these centre forwards require. When Pelle was at Feyenoord he had the supply needed by wide players, so Koeman made sure we got a high calibre wide player who he'd have known well. We pretty much pulled in the best Erenvise goal scorer and the best assister to play together, that's why it worked. Having a manager who understood what got the best out of Pelle was the key here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 I don't think that's what he was saying, it's more about understanding the type of delivery and service these centre forwards require. When Pelle was at Feyenoord he had the supply needed by wide players, so Koeman made sure we got a high calibre wide player who he'd have known well. We pretty much pulled in the best Erenvise goal scorer and the best assister to play together, that's why it worked. Having a manager who understood what got the best out of Pelle was the key here. All this. Can't get that for £20m these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Well his goal record this season suggests otherwise! - https://www.mediareferee.com/2019/05/21/need-of-the-hour-southampton-would-strike-gold-by-beating-everton-to-sign-this-23-goal-striker-with-54-4m-release-clause/ Would be an amazing signing IMO Eh, whoever plays up front for Benfica seems to get about 30 goals a season, year in year out. One purple patch at 27 after multiple seasons only registering 2/3 goals a year does not a £50m player make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Not only that, we'd get absolutely demolished in midfield. Swap Romeu for Lemina, and JWP for Boufal and could work. But even then, we would struggle to sign those players. Not sure what you're getting at, these are the same players we had this season who were rarely demolished in midfield. I don't think he is suggesting an XI, just a squad of players to pick from. If we had a striker who was fit enough to play the games Ings missed, clinical enough to take the chances Long squandered or just wasn't Austin, we'd have another 10 points. If we didn't keep bottling it mentally, as a team and as individuals, we'd have another 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 (edited) In for Harry Wilson apparently, £25m Edited 22 May, 2019 by JustMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 In for Wilson apparently, £25m The chap on loan at Derby from Liverpool? Surely not Callum at Bompey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 The chap on loan at Derby from Liverpool? Yep, always looked decent when I watched Derby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Yep, always looked decent when I watched Derby Ok, cool. Yes, looks a promising player and his age/standing fits our profile more than if we were to sign Lallana from Liverpool, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 25mill is an absolute joke. much better value in europe. and also, please anyway just spend 25m on a cb. ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 25mill is an absolute joke. much better value in europe. and also, please anyway just spend 25m on a cb. ta Think we've been stung too many times with the value in Europe...but yes a CB is definitely needed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Think we've been stung too many times with the value in Europe...but yes a CB is definitely needed too. On value from Europe i would list Hojberg, Bednarek, Vest, and probably even Lemina, just from the current first team, although I take your point re Carillo, and that useless Elyounoussi fellah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 we could comfortably spend 90m if we really wanted to.... Could we... could we really? What makes you think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 The chap on loan at Derby from Liverpool? Surely not Callum at Bompey? Strikes the ball extremely well, but comically one-footed. Looks almost allergic to touching the ball with his right boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Not sure what you're getting at, these are the same players we had this season who were rarely demolished in midfield. I don't think he is suggesting an XI, just a squad of players to pick from. If we had a striker who was fit enough to play the games Ings missed, clinical enough to take the chances Long squandered or just wasn't Austin, we'd have another 10 points. If we didn't keep bottling it mentally, as a team and as individuals, we'd have another 15.[/QUOTE] That's a good summary, Mr Moderator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Could we... could we really? What makes you think that? We absolutely could if we were to get rid of (rough figures) McCarthy £5m Cedric £10m Stephens £5m Hoedt £10m Reed £5m Clasie £2m Elyounoussi £10m Hesketh £2m Boufal £12m Carrillo £8m Austin £3m Gallagher £5m Thats a total of ca £80m. Might have overpriced a couple and possibly underpriced a few, but high level we should be able to get somewhere between £60 - £80m for them. And of course the half million a week off the wage bill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 In for Harry Wilson apparently, £25m Yes please. Don't bother to gift wrap him. Money on the table today, please. We polish him for 2 years then sell him back to Liverpool for £75M. Job's a good'un. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Strikes the ball extremely well, but comically one-footed. Looks almost allergic to touching the ball with his right boot. TBF, I don't think I've yet seen ings use his left foot either...it's stupidly common for a player to be one footed, look at the best player in the world. I certainly think he could be a real player, not quite sure it should be £25m, but if he comes in suits the system and plays well, he's probably worth £30m + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 We absolutely could if we were to get rid of (rough figures) McCarthy £5m Cedric £10m Stephens £5m Hoedt £10m Reed £5m Clasie £2m Elyounoussi £10m Hesketh £2m Boufal £12m Carrillo £8m Austin £3m Gallagher £5m Thats a total of ca £80m. Might have overpriced a couple and possibly underpriced a few, but high level we should be able to get somewhere between £60 - £80m for them. And of course the half million a week off the wage bill... There is zero chance that we will sell 12 players in a single window. Especially considering some of them are on fat contracts and are not worth what we paid for them, so will be even harder to shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Heads gone? Firstly it's just a wish list but with the exception of Upa, the rest are attainable and within our budget. Sky money and selling the players we need to generates about 140 million! We obviously won't spend near that, but we could comfortably spend 90m if we really wanted to.... I'm not sure about that at all. The only way we could generate that is if Redmond / Lemina / Berty depart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 In for Harry Wilson apparently, £25m That's a lot, but he looks like a player. Imagined he might be in with half a chance at Liverpool with Ings / Sturridge / Lallana possibly departing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Yes please. Don't bother to gift wrap him. Money on the table today, please. We polish him for 2 years then sell him back to Liverpool for £75M. Job's a good'un. That's definitely the model we want to get back to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 In for Harry Wilson apparently, £25m WILSON VALUED AT £25M Newcastle, Southampton and Brighton lead a host of clubs keen to sign Liverpool's young winger Harry Wilson. Sky Sports News understands Liverpool will want up to £25m for the 22-year old who enjoyed an impressive year-long loan at Derby. It's thought Crystal Palace could join a long list of Wilson's admirers if Wilfried Zaha leaves Selhurst Park this summer. Wilson’s present club Derby are also keen on keeping him at Pride Park next campaign if they defeat Aston Villa at Wembley on Monday. Interest in the versatile Welsh attacker has also spread across Europe with Augsburg, Hertha Berlin and Frankfurt in the Bundesliga - and several clubs in Spain monitoring negotiations. Source: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11726292/liverpools-harry-wilson-a-transfer-target-for-newcastle-southampton-and-brighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Is Wilson a winger? I thought he was a CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Is Wilson a winger? I thought he was a CM.Left footed right winger usually. Cuts inside, absolute beaut of a left peg. Takes a mean free kick. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Heads gone? Firstly it's just a wish list but with the exception of Upa, the rest are attainable and within our budget. Sky money and selling the players we need to generates about 140 million! We obviously won't spend near that, but we could comfortably spend 90m if we really wanted to.... The Sky money isn't enough to cover the huge wage bill at the club, let alone transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Left footed right winger usually. Cuts inside, absolute beaut of a left peg. Takes a mean free kick. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk not worth anywhere near 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 The Sky money isn't enough to cover the huge wage bill at the club, let alone transfers. Last accounts had total staff wages at £96m (including directors and 130 or so non-footballing staff). Adding up to about £110m when additional costs like social security and pensions are factored in. Sky money for the period was £117m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 not worth anywhere near 25 Yes he is. It's not 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 The way current prices are, Redmond is easily worth £40m plus. Probably more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 Borussia Dortmund have just signed Thorgan Hazard and Julian Brandt for £22m each... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 not worth anywhere near 25 With 4-5 premier league teams after him he probably is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 We’re not going to get £50m from our misfits we want to shift. At best we’ll sell a few for c £25m and maybe get £5m loan fees for a few others (but at subsidised wages). Add a nominal £10m to that and you are likely to get a budget of £40m where we are going to need to be very savvy to find the cb and cf we need (sadly we have wee Ross negotiating). Hopefully we can get a couple of loan deals in without ridiculous obligation to buy (again we need Ross to somehow do this). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 May, 2019 Share Posted 22 May, 2019 The way current prices are, Redmond is easily worth £40m plus. Probably more. Easily now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue_Saint Posted 23 May, 2019 Share Posted 23 May, 2019 The way current prices are, Redmond is easily worth £40m plus. Probably more. £50m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 23 May, 2019 Share Posted 23 May, 2019 Borussia Dortmund have just signed Thorgan Hazard and Julian Brandt for £22m each... Hazard was 30m. Any update on our interest in Kalvin Phillips? Or was that just a tabloid rumour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 23 May, 2019 Share Posted 23 May, 2019 Remind me please when we can expect see our retained list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 23 May, 2019 Share Posted 23 May, 2019 Remind me please when we can expect see our retained list? Not sure on deadlines for Premier League but it's the third saturday in May for the Football League, I think. Having said that the only senior player out of contract is Steven Davis, who has already signed a contract at Rangers, so it's not going to be a thriller... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 May, 2019 Share Posted 23 May, 2019 Remind me please when we can expect see our retained list? As George said, it’s only Davis who’s out of contract. Check out the contracts thread (1st post) to see possible releases from the academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 May, 2019 Share Posted 23 May, 2019 Hazard was 30m. Any update on our interest in Kalvin Phillips? Or was that just a tabloid rumour? Although why the transfer fee of a player between two german clubs needs to be mentioned in pounds sterling is less than obvious. Most transfer fees quoted in the press and on-line are approximative at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 May, 2019 Share Posted 23 May, 2019 We absolutely could if we were to get rid of (rough figures) McCarthy £5m Cedric £10m Stephens £5m Hoedt £10m Reed £5m Clasie £2m Elyounoussi £10m Hesketh £2m Boufal £12m Carrillo £8m Austin £3m Gallagher £5m Thats a total of ca £80m. Might have overpriced a couple and possibly underpriced a few, but high level we should be able to get somewhere between £60 - £80m for them. And of course the half million a week off the wage bill... I would love to have your optimism, Garrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 23 May, 2019 Share Posted 23 May, 2019 I would love to have your optimism, Garrett Indeed. Who the **** would pay £10m to sign Cedric (one year of contract then free) or Hoedt (****e)? Answer: Nobody The same as Elyounoussi whose wages will price out most of the leagues he is good enough to play in. Most saleable assets that arent first team regulars are IMO: Gallagher Reed Targett McCarthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 23 May, 2019 Share Posted 23 May, 2019 Indeed. Who the **** would pay £10m to sign Cedric (one year of contract then free) or Hoedt (****e)? Answer: Nobody The same as Elyounoussi whose wages will price out most of the leagues he is good enough to play in. Most saleable assets that arent first team regulars are IMO: Gallagher Reed Targett McCarthy And to be honest I would not be quick to sell Matt Targett either... I like the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 May, 2019 Share Posted 23 May, 2019 https://www.completesports.com/southampton-join-race-to-sign-e12m-osimhen-from-wolsburg/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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