Heisenberg Posted 31 January, 2019 Share Posted 31 January, 2019 discuss here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 31 January, 2019 Share Posted 31 January, 2019 Shame to miss out on our targets. Hopefully we’ll secure them in January 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 31 January, 2019 Share Posted 31 January, 2019 Outs - Anyone who shows some value Ins - cheap and cheerful signings from the benches of "Big clubs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 31 January, 2019 Share Posted 31 January, 2019 Outs: Moi, this will infuriate the forum as we have no replacement lined up for his quality. Ins: no one Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 31 January, 2019 Share Posted 31 January, 2019 Lock this already Mods, or we'll end up with 200 pages of Glasgow v The Vegman talking absolute sh1te. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 31 January, 2019 Share Posted 31 January, 2019 Hopefully we will be as diligent and sensible in the summer window as we have been in the January window. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 31 January, 2019 Share Posted 31 January, 2019 Tottenham Hotspur: "We're the best team financially, we didn't sign anyone for two whole windows!" Southampton FC: "Hold my beer..." IF, and it's a big IF, we keep Hasenhuttl in the summer, and IF we are still in the Premier League (which I hope and pray we will be), then the summer window should be very exciting. If we lose Hasenhuttl, or if we end up in the Championship trying to outbid Portsmouth for players, it will SUCK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 January, 2019 Share Posted 31 January, 2019 We will need: CB RB winger striker Playmaker we probably won't get half of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neef Posted 31 January, 2019 Share Posted 31 January, 2019 I still don't know if we have much money to spend. Recent evidence says no. But IF we do. Then I can see Ralph doing what Poch did in his first summer, and that's strengthen through the spine CB(s), Striker, I don't think we'll get a GK but I can see Gunn getting promoted. We need a RB, I think the calibre of that RB will be determined by how Valery plays. He's essentially ended up in a situation where he has 3/4 months that's left of this season to stake his claim for the starting berth full time. After that I think the other major area we need to invest in is attackers. Redmond and Armstrong are fine. But the Palace game showed how imbalanced we are. We're a good team when we have to react (e.g. playing away or against the bigger sides), but we seem to struggle a little when we have to instigate. An attacker who can work in tight spaces is essential. I know he splits opinions on here but I'm not averse to Boufal being given another crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 January, 2019 Share Posted 31 January, 2019 (edited) A strong yet mobile striker would be nice. We haven't had that since Pelle left. Edited 1 February, 2019 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint michael Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 We have been told that we need to balance the books on all transfers so ins will be dependent upon what this position looks like and how much that budget allows for us on the type of players needed. ....bargain basement or good young recruitees with potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 Depends what league we are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 Lock this already Mods, or we'll end up with 200 pages of Glasgow v The Vegman talking absolute sh1te. Doubtful, got him on block. Don’t worry your rusty little head. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 £20m of our budget has already gone on ings, so not too hopeful for anything significant. Still won’t be able to shift Forster and will end up with Carrillo and Hodet back at the club eating the wage bill. We’ll narrowly miss out on the net spend trophy as Bournemouth will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 Do we have to sign Ings? Anyway of getting out of it? to injury prone for me In Bartolec Decent Winger Upamencano Jean kevin agustin Job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 It will be terrible...or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 We'll send out about half the team on loan (Ely, Austin, Hoedt, Carrillo, Sims, Barnes, Clasie, etc.) and try to sign players who aren't that interested in coming here who use us to get attention from bigger teams. Then we'll sign 2-3 players for about 15-20m who have slightly different strengths and weaknesses to the players we ship out on loan but are generally about as good overall. To finance those purchases we'll sell two of our better players (probably Hojbjerg and Bertrand). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neef Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 We'll send out about half the team on loan (Ely, Austin, Hoedt, Carrillo, Sims, Barnes, Clasie, etc.) and try to sign players who aren't that interested in coming here who use us to get attention from bigger teams. Then we'll sign 2-3 players for about 15-20m who have slightly different strengths and weaknesses to the players we ship out on loan but are generally about as good overall. To finance those purchases we'll sell two of our better players (probably Hojbjerg and Bertrand). We need to go back to doing that. It worked well. These past few years we've signed players and managers who might stay for longer but don't have the quality the VVD's, Toby's, Mane's, Clyne's, Pochettino's had. I'm happy to go back to that, we were better off for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 Do we have to sign Ings? Yes we have to sign Ings, I doubt we are going to find an upgrade on him and he fits Ralfs way of playing. My conservative estimate would be that the summer transfer budget is about £30 million, maybe £40 million considering the wage bill regardless of who we bring in should be lower because the squad will be smaller. The money from the Gabbiadini sale and likely sale of Cedric, will cover the £20 million for Ings. Then it is raising as much as possible from the sales of Forster, Boufal, Carrillo, Hoedt, Clasie, Austin. Which if we estimated an average sell there of lets say £8 million, would raise another £40 - 50 million. IMO these players need to either go or be used, no more loans. Plus I reckon some from the likes of Gallagher, Reed, McQueen, Hesketh, Sims, Lewis might be sold as well as they are probably surplus/not good enough and you could maybe raise another £10 - 15 million there. Plus there is Elyounoussi, who I can't see much use for either. Forster, Clasie, Austin, Gabbiadini, Cedric, Davis, Boufal, Carrillo, & Hoedt off the wage bill could also free up probably £500k a week in wages, or £24 million a year as well. Leaving us with around £80 million to spend and a lot of room on the wage budget. Which we would need IMO - - New pacey centre-back - New first choice right back. - Pacey attacker - Pacey striker - Target man but mobile striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 New owner with a wallet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 New owner with a wallet He has a wallet but it’s bloody empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 £20m of our budget has already gone on ings, so not too hopeful for anything significant. Still won’t be able to shift Forster and will end up with Carrillo and Hodet back at the club eating the wage bill. We’ll narrowly miss out on the net spend trophy as Bournemouth will.not actually true as we dont pay all 20m up front it will spread. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 Very Excited. Fresh Budgets, Targets researched and scouted, and no January Premium on the players. On top of that, Ralph gets a Pre-season to establish how he wants to play. I just hope that they turn out to be decent when they get here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 Very Excited. Fresh Budgets, Targets researched and scouted, and no January Premium on the players. On top of that, Ralph gets a Pre-season to establish how he wants to play. I just hope that they turn out to be decent when they get here. Good stuff. Big challenge will be getting players out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 I think the key part of the summer is how quickly we can shift the likes of Cedric, Hoedt, Boufal, Carrillo on permanent deals. (maybe even Forster). Given how Boufal and Carrillo have been doing over in Spain, I think the chances of us getting a fee from their current clubs is slim, so they'll be back with us. I don't think the Cedric move is with an obligation to buy, so there's every chance he will be returned as well. Then we have the very big problem which is Fraser....absolutely no idea what's happening with him, but we're ****ing money away with him on the books. I think we've made a start in trimming the squad in this window, but my frustration is that it's primarily been loan deals - so we could be in the same position come the summer with an overloaded squad and players we don't want but no one else does either. Thus, again, restricting what we can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 Very Excited. Fresh Budgets, Targets researched and scouted, and no January Premium on the players. On top of that, Ralph gets a Pre-season to establish how he wants to play. Assuming, of course, that we get these new players in at the beginning of the summer window rather than fannying around and leaving it until the end of the window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 (edited) I think the key part of the summer is how quickly we can shift the likes of Cedric, Hoedt, Boufal, Carrillo on permanent deals. (maybe even Forster). Given how Boufal and Carrillo have been doing over in Spain, I think the chances of us getting a fee from their current clubs is slim, so they'll be back with us. I don't think the Cedric move is with an obligation to buy, so there's every chance he will be returned as well. Then we have the very big problem which is Fraser....absolutely no idea what's happening with him, but we're ****ing money away with him on the books. I think we've made a start in trimming the squad in this window, but my frustration is that it's primarily been loan deals - so we could be in the same position come the summer with an overloaded squad and players we don't want but no one else does either. Thus, again, restricting what we can do. Agree. If we manage to shift all of this window's loanees, it will go down as a major success. The reality is that I can only see us shifting Cedric for anything close to good value with clubs using his contract status (out of contract next summer) to negotiate aggressively. If we can't remove some of this deadwood, I won't be surprised if RH ends up shifting first teamers i.e. Bertrand if he wants to build the side in his image. Of course, the Gabbi (and probable Austin) money will help. Edited 1 February, 2019 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 Very Excited. Fresh Budgets, Targets researched and scouted, and no January Premium on the players. On top of that, Ralph gets a Pre-season to establish how he wants to play. I just hope that they turn out to be decent when they get here. Smiley winky thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 Why are people suddenly expecting us to spend money in the summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 Glad to read some sense. Should we still expect Adams? Wasn't sure if he was a first choice target or not. He wasn't. But he was on our radar, like Mepham. Depends how badly brum need the money (see redknapp problems*) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 He wasn't. But he was on our radar, like Mepham. Depends how badly brum need the money (see redknapp problems*) Pretty sure Augustina from red bull is a prime target seeing the way Ralphs face lit up when tod we we were linked to him .....I also think a lot of you are are underestimating Boufal ...he does have a good work ethic and is a wild card with huge technical ability , I can see RH liking him a lot and it will be interesting to see with some skilled coaching how comes on . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 He wasn't. But he was on our radar, like Mepham. Depends how badly brum need the money (see redknapp problems*) Is Ralph gonna be getting his mits on a respectable size budget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 Is Ralph gonna be getting his mits on a respectable size budget? Without sales, I wouldn't have thought so. Although players moving off the wage bill frees up some cash (Davis / Gabbi). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 We usually show willingness to spend in the summer. People don't seem to appreciate just how much we've spent (and wasted) on fees, wages, sackings etc. But we still went out and signed Gunn. Not a priority, but a target we really wanted who was available, so we spent quite a bit of him. It's not like we've just been persistently tight and it's some big mystery about where the money has gone. I understand. But we normally have leftover sales cash. Our spend last summer was large, but we had the VvD (minus Carrillo) plus Tadic fee to spend. We're largely even on spending now so will be interesting to see how the book's balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 I think the key part of the summer is how quickly we can shift the likes of Cedric, Hoedt, Boufal, Carrillo on permanent deals. (maybe even Forster). Given how Boufal and Carrillo have been doing over in Spain, I think the chances of us getting a fee from their current clubs is slim, so they'll be back with us. I don't think the Cedric move is with an obligation to buy, so there's every chance he will be returned as well. Then we have the very big problem which is Fraser....absolutely no idea what's happening with him, but we're ****ing money away with him on the books. I think we've made a start in trimming the squad in this window, but my frustration is that it's primarily been loan deals - so we could be in the same position come the summer with an overloaded squad and players we don't want but no one else does either. Thus, again, restricting what we can do. Agree with some of this, although Boufal I think we'll get a buyer for as long as the fee is £10-15m. Maybe more from a Middle East or Chinese club. Carrillo - done OK at a very small club and although Pellegrino was a disaster here, you'd have to say the same about him so far. So it does prove some players and managers suit certain leagues and situations. With Carrillo it depends how much we pay Monaco up front as he's only made half-a-dozen appearances for us. His wages aren't too hefty be all accounts and might be easier to shift then we think. I also think Cedric is good value for that low fee, although hefty wages. I think he'll go, Inter or not. Clasie will probably settle for a % of his last 12 months wages for a small fee from Feyenoord. The more difficult ones will be Fraser and Hoedt. Crazy decision and very inept by Les on Fraser but equal criticism aimed at Kreuger for not over-ruling him and getting rid of Les as well at the time. Obvious even to a non-football leader that Forster was shocking in 16/17 although under Pellegrino he really did regress staggeringly. Rodwell and Sunderland all over again - Fraser needs a loan to L1, L2 or non-league to keep fit for the rest of this campaign. Or take 25% of what's left and retire. Contract is a contract though and club can't force him. They apparantly have a good relationship with him, but the agent may have a say. Hoedt - things have to get better than his Celta debut! Hopefully he can do enough to secure a £6-9m move somewhere, maybe Ajax or one of the bigger Belgian clubs? Or a promoted Bundesliga side? Going to have to take another bath though and learn the lesson that DoF/Vice Chair role is only for the mentally competent. Austin we'll get a buyer for - Champ side wanting to go up. Long will see out his last months as a squad player as RH likes him, but no extension. All might look better in the summer but purely contingent on avoiding major injuries before then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 Very Excited. Fresh Budgets Hi Guan.... I'm trying to read between the lines here a bit (first time for everything...!)... By "fresh" budgets, do you mean that there will be 'new' money made available rather than having to solely rely on player trading? Could our apparent reticence to spend in January be perhaps linked to needing to balance the books for this current football financial year (which ends in June?) but that those financial restrictions (self imposed or otherwise) are lifted once the new financial year starts? Just thinking out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 He wasn't. But he was on our radar, like Mepham. Depends how badly brum need the money (see redknapp problems*) It won't matter who we have on the radar if we're unable to act swiftly as, like Mepham, they'll end up elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 1 February, 2019 Share Posted 1 February, 2019 Why are people suddenly expecting us to spend money in the summer? We spend every summer. We spent like over £50 million last summer and agreed to spend another £20 million on Ings Hi Guan.... I'm trying to read between the lines here a bit (first time for everything...!)... By "fresh" budgets, do you mean that there will be 'new' money made available rather than having to solely rely on player trading? Could our apparent reticence to spend in January be perhaps linked to needing to balance the books for this current football financial year (which ends in June?) but that those financial restrictions (self imposed or otherwise) are lifted once the new financial year starts? Just thinking out loud. Makes sense that we had a transfer budget for the season based on our income (largely TV money) and that most of it was used up in the summer, and that when fresh income comes in, i.e new TV money, we would have a new budget. IMO pretty much every outside top 6 PL club can afford to spend about £30-40 million on transfers with little issue just from the TV money they rake in as long as they are not servicing massive debts. Plus there is the whole FFP thing and I think in particular the wage bill, IIRC you can't increase your wage bill more certain amount each year to comply with FFP, so that is probably another restriction on us. Big bloated squad on long term contracts. As for Fraser Forster I have a slight worry we might have a Jack Rodwell situation on our hands where Fraser might just sit on his contract unwilling to take a pay cut to go somewhere lower, which looks likely as his only destination at the moment as his stock has fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 26 February, 2019 Share Posted 26 February, 2019 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6748493/Southampton-ready-make-fresh-35m-rated-Red-Bull-Leipzig-striker-Jean-Kevin-Augustin.html Right now, the idea about a summer chasing £35m striker seems SO far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 26 February, 2019 Share Posted 26 February, 2019 We spend every summer. We spent like over £50 million last summer and agreed to spend another £20 million on Ings Makes sense that we had a transfer budget for the season based on our income (largely TV money) and that most of it was used up in the summer, and that when fresh income comes in, i.e new TV money, we would have a new budget. IMO pretty much every outside top 6 PL club can afford to spend about £30-40 million on transfers with little issue just from the TV money they rake in as long as they are not servicing massive debts. Plus there is the whole FFP thing and I think in particular the wage bill, IIRC you can't increase your wage bill more certain amount each year to comply with FFP, so that is probably another restriction on us. Big bloated squad on long term contracts. As for Fraser Forster I have a slight worry we might have a Jack Rodwell situation on our hands where Fraser might just sit on his contract unwilling to take a pay cut to go somewhere lower, which looks likely as his only destination at the moment as his stock has fallen. Same can be said of Austin, we're stuck with him, no one will pay those wages, so he knows where he is well off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 13 March, 2019 Share Posted 13 March, 2019 Seen a mention on bbc's gossip column of a recoe Martin from mk dons. Anyone know anything about him (I.e. Seen him play / proper insight ... I've done the Internet scouting thing)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 13 March, 2019 Share Posted 13 March, 2019 Seen a mention on bbc's gossip column of a recoe Martin from mk dons. Anyone know anything about him (I.e. Seen him play / proper insight ... I've done the Internet scouting thing)?From Mirror article: - "He gets a bit of stick sometimes because he is not the best player tactically and not always the most disciplined." Sounds like he ticks all of Ross Wilson's boxes... Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 13 March, 2019 Share Posted 13 March, 2019 From Mirror article: - "He gets a bit of stick sometimes because he is not the best player tactically and not always the most disciplined." Sounds like he ticks all of Ross Wilson's boxes... Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Ha! 18 from what I gather, so maybe something that can be coached. Cheers for the snippet of info, though. About 6 weeks at best before we can't thinking about players based on which league we're in next season I guess, though sounds like this one maybe one for the future anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 13 March, 2019 Share Posted 13 March, 2019 We will need: CB RB winger striker Playmaker we probably won't get half of them. Depends who comes back from the loans not made permanent. Then it’s the case of one out before someone new joins plus who from the u23s will join the first team. I do have more faith in those promoted players proving their worth than the black box finding decent replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 13 March, 2019 Share Posted 13 March, 2019 Depends who comes back from the loans not made permanent. Then it’s the case of one out before someone new joins plus who from the u23s will join the first team. I do have more faith in those promoted players proving their worth than the black box finding decent replacements. I reckon the club will reluctantly cut their losses on those loanees and accept knock-down fees for them, so I doubt we will see many/any of them back here next season. The squad obviously needs major surgery and we have to clear some dead wood to make room for the kind of players Ralph wants to bring in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 13 March, 2019 Author Share Posted 13 March, 2019 When you consider the cost of Les Reeds time here it could end up costing us £100m+ - his payoff - Wilson's eventual payoff - reduced gate receipts as fans stay away 2-3 years - reduced TV and EPL monies due to lower league finishes - 3x manager pay offs - players signed for big fees/wages then sold off cheap - FF and his wages - sponsorship reduced (fair less attractive club now than 4-5 years ago) - potential relegation Can understand why owners are reluctant to chuck cash about, when you consider the sums wasted Said at time - removing Les was just step 1. The clear up n recovery could take us years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 March, 2019 Share Posted 13 March, 2019 I reckon the club will reluctantly cut their losses on those loanees and accept knock-down fees for them, so I doubt we will see many/any of them back here next season. The squad obviously needs major surgery and we have to clear some dead wood to make room for the kind of players Ralph wants to bring in. Can't see there being a knock down fee for Hoedt or Boufal if Celta are relegated (they are now in the bottom 3). A fee for Guido, optimistic. Clasie and Cedric maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 13 March, 2019 Share Posted 13 March, 2019 Can't see there being a knock down fee for Hoedt or Boufal if Celta are relegated (they are now in the bottom 3). A fee for Guido, optimistic. Clasie and Cedric maybe. Yeah, any future deals for these guys looks bleak. I think we'd let Clasie leave for a nominal fee, but whether Feyenoord could get anywhere close to what he's on here, would be questionable. Biggest problem is we still likely have large sums to pay on the Carrillo / Boufal / Hoedt deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 13 March, 2019 Share Posted 13 March, 2019 What I'd like to see in the summer. 1. Bring back boufal. Think it was a mistake to loan him out this season. Would be good to have someonee else with pace and ability to beat a man, if redmond can turn it around I see no reason boufal couldn't do the same.. could be like a new signing, deserves a fair chance under Ralph.. 2 Augustin. Looks so pacy and with the technique to back it up, Ralph knows him well and he's not getting the game time at Leipzig.should be ideal signing for us but if we can't get him a striker should be priority anyway. 3 another cb. I don't think the 3 of bednarek yosh and vest are doing too badly, but if the reason Ralph thinks we need three at the back is because of lack of quality.. then we should probably try to get another decent cb. Actually think these 3 additions could turn us around quite a lot we are looking fine in midfield and wing back positions are looking ok too bar maybe cover for valery.. but signing another one could block his progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 13 March, 2019 Share Posted 13 March, 2019 Game of opinions but those who are gagging for the return of Boufal are wrong IMO. Best we can do is get £10m for him and move on woth players who actually suit the PL and RH style. Boufal is just a mote skillful Elyounoussi. He isn't what RH wants. No real pace, not the best off the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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