egg Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 The thing is wages, agent fees and loyalty bonuses are highly likely to correlate directly with the transfer activity of the club. Since our transfer activity is entirely unremarkable compared with our league peers (total amount spent, record signing value etc), I see no reason to assume that these ancillary costs are vastly out of proportion with the rest of the league. In other words, they're pretty much irrelevant when asking the question of why we appear skint in contrast to the clubs around us. Our wage bill is not an 'ancillary cost'. It is massive and represents our biggest expenditure item. Seeking to draw comparisons between our finances and those of our peers is pointless when you are unaware of our finances or theirs. The reality, contrary to popular belief, is that we have spent a shed load of cash on players, agents, wages etc thus its obvious that we are not rolling in cash. Whether other clubs are in the same position is irrelevant.
spyinthesky Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 A mate of mine who is a Blackburn fan is suggesting they may be looking at getting Sam Gallagher back on loan plus Charlie Austin. Cant see latter myself
Pilchards Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 When does the German transfer market close? I was hoping RB Leipzig could get someone in after us taking in a striker from them on loan. Ive read it somewhere they were interested in a couple of players but failed with some big bids.
wild-saint Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 I'd guess that we probably had for this season a budget for transfer fees of around 40-50 million and most of that has been used up in purchases in the summer. There might be like £10-12 million left to spend. The outs have not really generated any cash yet, they are loans, so we might generate a decent kitty in the summer if those loans turn into permanent transfers. (Gabbiadini, Hoedt, Boufal, Carrillo, Clasie, Cedric, Carillo + maybe Austin) we could generate like £50 - £70 million there, plus clear like £300 - 400k from the wage budget, and might have a planned transfer budget again of about £30 - 40 million to add on top. (depending where the funds for Ings is coming from) Which could all set it up nicely for the summer but makes the big fees being demanded by clubs now more problematic. This is my thought exactly but couldn’t be arsed to type it, so thanks. Also think that if RH thinks the squad left is capable of staying up and the already co firmed requirement of a small squad surely that means spending the summer bushet on maybe 2 really decent players sprinkles in with the youth team players to fill the squad.
Lighthouse Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 If Gallagher is loaned out we need to insist he actually starts otherwise its pointless. His career has been held back enough with poor loan moves. He was brilliant at Blackburn in a dire side, but Birmingham were a mess. Would be daft to lose him AND Austin without replacement. Personally I'd rather ditch Austin due to wages and inability to run. Why would we need to do that? If he's half as good as many seem to think, he'll be the first name on the team sheet. If he doesn't actually start and barely gets into the team, it pretty much proves he is nowhere near Premier League level and that he just needs to leave. I do agree that I'd sooner lose Austin but that's not saying much.
Nordic Saint Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 As a bit of a follow up – my previous post was focused mainly on our incoming transfers versus our outgoing transfers and showing we’ve had a net negative amount (i.e. we’ve spent more than we’ve received on players). After a bit more research though this does not necessarily reflect the overall profitability of the club. In fact taking a look at previous accounts and reporting from the guardian about yearly club profits you can see that between the 2013-14 seasons and 2016-17 seasons we consistently made a healthy profit with figures of +£29m, +£15m, +£6m and +£42m following an -£7 million loss in the 2012-13 season (all figures pre-tax, last years accounts won’t be made available until March this year). https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00053301/filing-history https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/06/premier-league-finances-club-guide-2016-17 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/01/premier-league-finances-club-by-club https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/25/premier-league-finances-club-by-club-breakdown-david-conn https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/01/premier-league-accounts-club-by-club-david-conn This would suggest that the club does have some money but that it is not being put back into the playing squad. The clubs mantra that any money from player sales going back into the squad would still technically be true with the caveat that income/profits from other sources is not going back into the squad. I suppose the big question then is how this profit is being used and is it to the betterment of the club? At a guess some of it has gone into trying to improving our commercial revenue streams (which if profits are rising would indicate it is working) but you’d like to think if push came to shove that some of this could be used on the squad if we were in danger of relegation. A bigger question is what are the goals of the owners? Kat has already made quarter of a billion out of the club but Gao has yet to make his pile. His major asset when he bought the club was his company, Lander Sports Development. The share price of Lander was at a peak of 21.87 yuan in June, 2016 but it has been falling ever since. At the time he bought the club, in August 2016, it had halved in value to 10.57 yuan. But, since then, in order to raise cash, presumably to pay back the loan he took out to pay Kat, he has been selling off most of his shares cheaply so now the share price is down to just 2.95 yuan and he owns only 24% of Lander. This means, that apart from the football club, he is now only worth a small fraction of what he once was. Depending on how much money he needs for his retirement, it seems likely he'll want to make money for himself out of the club. Of course, he must know, as Kat did, that the club will be worth much more if it stays in the Premier League. At the time he bought the club, it was said that his main reason was to help promote Lander Sports' ambitious football town projects in China but now he no longer owns Lander Sports, you'd have to speculate that his best way to get any return on his investment now would be to sell the club while it's still in the Premier League. The good thing is, he must know it would be a financial disaster for him if the club were relegated before he sold it.
saints-cris Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 This window is quickly turning into a big disappointment. Initially I was very happy when we started shipping players out, all good from my perspective as it was fringe players on high wages. However, I did actually assume that we would be bring someone in. At this point, if Ings/Redmond get a knock then we're seriously light going forward. That makes me feel pretty uneasy, and the RB slot is a big question mark too. As time ticks on I get more concerned.
Cabbage_Face Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Still no signings, not good Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
beatlesaint Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Pompey's big signing is... Lloyd Isgrove. Lol. oh they are gonna love him arent they ?
saint michael Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 What was the total tv revenues during this period. Hasn’t the last couple of years awarded the bottom side around 100m per year? Investment transfer budgets would usually be set around total picture
Dark Munster Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 What if RH wasn't happy with Cedric's supposed 'don't really want to be here anymore' attitude and it was affecting the 'all for one and one for all' ethos that RH has instilled in the squad? Might the pros of ditching him not outweigh the pros of keeping him in that scenario? Only 15 matches left. I'm sure Cedric wouldn't have kicked up a fuss being told he'd be a backup until the summer, and would be free to leave then.
hypochondriac Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 This window is quickly turning into a big disappointment. Initially I was very happy when we started shipping players out, all good from my perspective as it was fringe players on high wages. However, I did actually assume that we would be bring someone in. At this point, if Ings/Redmond get a knock then we're seriously light going forward. That makes me feel pretty uneasy, and the RB slot is a big question mark too. As time ticks on I get more concerned.Why did you assume it would be any different from the last two Januarys?
DT Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Only 15 matches left. I'm sure Cedric wouldn't have kicked up a fuss being told he'd be a backup until the summer, and would be free to leave then. Perhaps we're so broke we needed his wages off the payroll. Which is pretty scary. Or perhaps he was just a bit of a moaner behind the scenes. Or maybe the loan is as good as it gets, when we wanted a sale. Ho hum. This is still a pretty underwhelming window. Get the spotters out for players in the crowd tonight?
Bewildered Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 In news elsewhere reports in France suggest Everton agreed a fee with PSG for Idrissa Gueye, but Silva is threatening to quit if Everton go through with it.
OttawaSaint Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 We don’t buy/loan anyone - "moan moan moan...buy anyone!" We buy Carrillo and loan Caceres - "moan moan..waste of money, what’s the point?" We get rid of deadwood - "moan moan...will come back to bite us". We keep deadwood - "moan moan...ffs clear the deadwood, wasting wage money, taking up squad places".
SuperSAINT Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 In news elsewhere reports in France suggest Everton agreed a fee with PSG for Idrissa Gueye, but Silva is threatening to quit if Everton go through with it.
VectisSaint Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 We don’t buy/loan anyone - "moan moan moan...buy anyone!" We buy Carrillo and loan Caceres - "moan moan..waste of money, what’s the point?" We get rid of deadwood - "moan moan...will come back to bite us". We keep deadwood - "moan moan...ffs clear the deadwood, wasting wage money, taking up squad places". Caceres was not a loan, he was a free agent.
Wurzel Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 We don’t buy/loan anyone - "moan moan moan...buy anyone!" We buy Carrillo and loan Caceres - "moan moan..waste of money, what’s the point?" We get rid of deadwood - "moan moan...will come back to bite us". We keep deadwood - "moan moan...ffs clear the deadwood, wasting wage money, taking up squad places". You've been here 12 years and this still surprises you?
Heisenberg Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 We don’t buy/loan anyone - "moan moan moan...buy anyone!" We buy Carrillo and loan Caceres - "moan moan..waste of money, what’s the point?" We get rid of deadwood - "moan moan...will come back to bite us". We keep deadwood - "moan moan...ffs clear the deadwood, wasting wage money, taking up squad places". Cedric, Hoedt, Gabbiadini, Davis were not "deadwood"
Trout-Tickler Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 We don’t buy/loan anyone - "moan moan moan...buy anyone!" We buy Carrillo and loan Caceres - "moan moan..waste of money, what’s the point?" We get rid of deadwood - "moan moan...will come back to bite us". We keep deadwood - "moan moan...ffs clear the deadwood, wasting wage money, taking up squad places". Would you really describe Cedric as deadwood?
BARCELONASAINT Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 mark my words, if we lose tonight their will be a major meltdown on here how we have totally screwed up this transfer window letting all thee fringe players go and getting no one in. Praying for a win:lol:
OttawaSaint Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Would you really describe Cedric as deadwood? Yep. His crossing is appalling. Wing backs important to RH. Cedric either fannies around waiting for the opposing defense to set themselves or balloons the ball into row Z. Not needed in this team. Sorry.
OttawaSaint Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Cedric, Hoedt, Gabbiadini, Davis were not "deadwood" How many games total did that lot play for RH? Not in his plans. Not needed.
hackedoff Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 We don’t buy/loan anyone - "moan moan moan...buy anyone!" We buy Carrillo and loan Caceres - "moan moan..waste of money, what’s the point?" We get rid of deadwood - "moan moan...will come back to bite us". We keep deadwood - "moan moan...ffs clear the deadwood, wasting wage money, taking up squad places". Easy to resolve,have enough football nous at the club not to buy the deadwood in the first place. Saves on money and moans.
OttawaSaint Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Easy to resolve,have enough football nous at the club not to buy the deadwood in the first place. Saves on money and moans. You underestimate this lot on here. If we won the league they'd be complaining about the type of bus used to do the parade.
Toadhall Saint Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 You underestimate this lot on here. If we won the league they'd be complaining about the type of bus used to do the parade. [emoji23]
Heisenberg Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 How many games total did that lot play for RH? Not in his plans. Not needed. Cedric had a calf strain and when fit has played a part in ever game RH has managed!
Chez Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 You underestimate this lot on here. If we won the league they'd be complaining about the type of bus used to do the parade. open top is my preference. Perhaps an old Leyland Titon rather than some modern design.
Batman Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Could we win the net spend trophy yet again ? COYRs
egg Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Cedric, Hoedt, Gabbiadini, Davis were not "deadwood" That's your opinion, but by not featuring in RH plans they were deadwood.
Dark Munster Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 That's your opinion, but by not featuring in RH plans they were deadwood. Hoedt is the only one who was deadwood. The others are all capable backups until better players are brought in (Cedric and Gabbi in particular, where we are thin in those positions).
Heisenberg Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Hoedt is the only one who was deadwood. The others are all capable backups until better players are brought in (Cedric and Gabbi in particular, where we are thin in those positions). Agreed. Big FF is deadwood. These guys seem to be confusing deadwood with squad player.
egg Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Hoedt is the only one who was deadwood. The others are all capable backups until better players are brought in (Cedric and Gabbi in particular, where we are thin in those positions). That's your opinion. They were not in RH plans. They were deadwood.
Trout-Tickler Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Hoedt is the only one who was deadwood. The others are all capable backups until better players are brought in (Cedric and Gabbi in particular, where we are thin in those positions). Agree completely. I don't really have a problem with selling Cedric but we haven't sold him we've loaned him leaving us with Valery as our only recognised right back. We may yet bring someone in but if we don't why have we let Cedric go especially as he may be back in the summer? To say he's deadwood having been involved in the last 5 games is rather odd.....
trousers Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 (edited) Cedric had a calf strain and when fit has played a part in ever game RH has managed!Oh go on then... I'll give you the benefit of that erotic tingle you get when you receive a bite... Cedric was fit for at least 4 PL games between reported injury and leaving, and "played a part" in two of them (both off the bench, and only because one of Valery or Ramsey was unavailable as back up IIRC). Edited 30 January, 2019 by trousers
Heisenberg Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Could we possibly get Mahrez on loan from City? He was an unused sub last night so obviously considered "deadwood"
Victor Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 open top is my preference. Perhaps an old Leyland Titon rather than some modern design. I'm sure there's still an open-top Southampton Corporation Guy Arab kicking around as per 1976.
Baird of the land Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Hoedt is the only one who was deadwood. The others are all capable backups until better players are brought in (Cedric and Gabbi in particular, where we are thin in those positions). We’re hardly thin up front for a team that plays one upfront.
Batman Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 We’re hardly thin up front for a team that plays one upfront. Ings barely stays fit...
Charlie Wayman Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 The manager said we'd only sign people if good long-term options became available. They have been clear. It's good they're not just throwing money around for the sake of it like so many clubs. For the first time since Koeman we properly invested in a manager while than poorly judged expensive signings that abysmal managers can confuse. Right on message, you should get a job offer from Ralph K tomorrow morning.
Baird of the land Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Ings barely stays fit... 16 of 24 is a lot more than barely and that’s with an idiot like Hughes deliberately playing him when injured. Even With Obafemi injured, Austin is still nowhere near the bench, let alone gabbi if he was still here.
Batman Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 16 of 24 is a lot more than barely and that’s with an idiot like Hughes deliberately playing him when injured. Even With Obafemi injured, Austin is still nowhere near the bench, let alone gabbi if he was still here. lets see if he lasts much past 60 mins at the weekend..hell, even tonight
OttawaSaint Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Could we possibly get Mahrez on loan from City? He was an unused sub last night so obviously considered "deadwood" That is poor, even from you. Trying way too hard.
Heisenberg Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 You underestimate this lot on here. If we won the league they'd be complaining about the type of bus used to do the parade. When the club does the right thing, it's universally supported. Case in point >> https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?60476-Ralph-Hasenhuttl-Confirmed!/page15#.XFH9vKSnyaM
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Hmmm, just been told to expect some movement tomorrow...if it's true people will be very happy.
hackedoff Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Hmmm, just been told to expect some movement tomorrow...if it's true people will be very happy. Expect plenty of bowel movements when SOD all happens.
DT Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Hmmm, just been told to expect some movement tomorrow...if it's true people will be very happy. That sound you can hear is me clutching at a straw Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Pilchards Posted 30 January, 2019 Posted 30 January, 2019 Hmmm, just been told to expect some movement tomorrow...if it's true people will be very happy. The only movement we will see is the sky reporter being told to go home early
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