Dusic Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Valery is raw and could suddenly have a dip and Ramsay is nowhere near the level needed now. Risky move to let Cedric go, especially given we hardly need to loan him out for financial reasons. Have to also consider that we have Ross Wilson and Ralph Krueger in charge of our transfer dealings. As far as I am aware, both have been present in our multiple terrible windows of recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Stephens is ok as a RB As a right back perhaps, but not as a right wing back which is the system Hasenhuttl is using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Stephens is ok as a RBBut we're playing with wing backs. They're a vital part of our attacking threat. Stephens' outings at RB have shown no indication that he can contribute anything other than a limited defensive brief. There is no benefit to us getting shot of Cedric - ordinary though he has been - without replacing him. We're in a relegation fight, we can't afford to take liberties with the squad. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 But we're playing with wing backs. They're a vital part of our attacking threat. Stephens' outings at RB have shown no indication that he can contribute anything other than a limited defensive brief. There is no benefit to us getting shot of Cedric - ordinary though he has been - without replacing him. We're in a relegation fight, we can't afford to take liberties with the squad. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Agreed but if RH is willing to sanction it who am I to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Slimani? (Don’t shoot the messenger) https://apple.news/Aojm5mzM9Q3SbKaRvKoWCXA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 I get the impression that the club think we are safe from relegation....If we don't sort RWB cover and Redmond cover, then you might be right. Massive gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 This is effing madness, we're being mugged again by the corporate greedies. It's so predictable but FA we can do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Selling Cedric will weaken us. Other right backs we have are not as good and when Cedric comes in he's been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Didnt realise that Fenerbache, one of the top Turkish clubs, are candidates for relegation this year. Presume they still have money though They are in an utter mess, awful manager, terrible players and ffp is destroying Turkish league due to the revenue they get from domestic league. This is exactly why you shouldn’t knee jerk sign players cos fans get abit impatient. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 As a right back perhaps, but not as a right wing back which is the system Hasenhuttl is using. At the moment but its not his preferred system. I actually think Stephens is our best available right back (assuming Cedric does leave) but i agree he's no wing back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 At the moment but its not his preferred system.... However, he also seems to have determined that our CBs aren't good enough to play a flat back 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 However, he also seems to have determined that our CBs aren't good enough to play a flat back 4. Do you think a 4-4-2 is harder to play than a 3-5-2 (or 5-3-2, however you want to look at it)? I always think a 3-5-2 is more interesting. However, in some games, I am sure that with subs etc, he has had to revert to a back 4 and it seems to work ok as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 if RH is willing to sanction it who am I to disagree. Exactly. I think it augers well that the manager appears to let the squad slowly develop, shows a bit of long term thinking. I’d much rather we muddled through the rest of the season, if it means getting the right bloke in come the summer. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Get Karlo bartolec in as a replacement for Ced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/09/25/do-karlo-bartolec-claims-he-nearly-joined-southampton-as-cedrics/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Exactly. I think it augers well that the manager appears to let the squad slowly develop, shows a bit of long term thinking. I’d much rather we muddled through the rest of the season, if it means getting the right bloke in come the summer. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Muddle through? I thought we were relegated because Cedric is leaving.[emoji6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 However, he also seems to have determined that our CBs aren't good enough to play a flat back 4. When has he said this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Only €11 million for Ced according to Di Marzio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Only €11 million for Ced according to Di Marzio Seems reasonable amount for our unwanted right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Exactly. I think it augers well that the manager appears to let the squad slowly develop, shows a bit of long term thinking. I’d much rather we muddled through the rest of the season, if it means getting the right bloke in come the summer. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk"Muddle through" is a pretty complacent approach to a relegation battle, IMHO. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Only €11 million for Ced according to Di Marzio Seems reasonable amount for our unwanted right back. Sporting Lisbon will get a % of the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 "Muddle through" is a pretty complacent approach to a relegation battle, IMHO. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Do you think we will be relegated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Only €11 million for Ced according to Di Marzio Boufal's was low too. You have to entice them. They won't pay silly money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Stephens is ok as a RBbut who covers left wing back?? Unless Vokins makes a big step up.....to have 2 very young defenders is a concern. Yes we have time yet to recruit and may be worrying unnecessarily. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 The board seem to now be giving the signs that there will be some sort of massive overhaul in the summer as a justification for lack of activity this window. It’s not that easy. We weren’t able to (permanently) shift Clasie, Boufal or Carrillo in the summer, so what makes them think we’ll be able to get rid of them, plus the utter dross of Hoedt and Elyounoussi, this coming summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Seems reasonable amount for our unwanted right back. Who’s also only got 1 year left on contract decent deal imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Who’s also only got 1 year left on contract decent deal imo Depends on who is paying his wages for the loan period. Would be ridiculous if it was us subsidising any of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Depends on who is paying his wages for the loan period. Would be ridiculous if it was us subsidising any of it. They are paying all of his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 However, he also seems to have determined that our CBs aren't good enough to play a flat back 4. When has he said this? In the 10 games from Cardiff onwards we have played a back 4 in 4 of them, starting with the Cardiff game and including the 2 matches against Derby, and a back 5 in the other 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 In the replay against Derby we started with a back 3 and only reverted to a back 4 after Tyreke Johnsons first half yellow meant he had to be replaced by Tedmond at half time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 If Cedric goes I'm pretty sure he will be replaced in this window. I seriously flipping hope so but after the Fonte debacle, you just expect the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 In the 10 games from Cardiff onwards we have played a back 4 in 4 of them, starting with the Cardiff game and including the 2 matches against Derby, and a back 5 in the other 6. That doesn't say anything about his opinion on our CBs. To me it has more to do with our weakness at DM, plenty of decent B2B midfielders but no Wanyama type shield to properly protect the CBs. Romeu comes closest but he lacks mobility. So we use 3 CBs to compensate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 That doesn't say anything about his opinion on our CBs. To me it has more to do with our weakness at DM, plenty of decent B2B midfielders but no Wanyama type shield to properly protect the CBs. Romeu comes closest but he lacks mobility. So we use 3 CBs to compensate. So whilst it is not Ralph's 'preferred' system, it is the one he has decided must be used without strengthening the DM position, which we don't look like doing before the summer. Consequently we have to use wing backs, and having Valery as #1 with Ramsey as cover weakens the squad, ( IMO ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 I get the impression that the club think we are safe from relegation.... Big mistake. Complacency over three points. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Can see this going badly wrong, Cedric has been Key to our change in form. Poor move from the club. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 That doesn't say anything about his opinion on our CBs. To me it has more to do with our weakness at DM, plenty of decent B2B midfielders but no Wanyama type shield to properly protect the CBs. Romeu comes closest but he lacks mobility. So we use 3 CBs to compensate. I would give Stephens a go at the DM role - he’s got he ability with the ball and the engine to take the ball forward and then get back to cover if it all goes wrong. Romeu is great defensively and can pass the ball - he’s jus not got the pace or engine to get up and down the pitch which Ralph seems to be keen on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 If Cedric goes I'm pretty sure he will be replaced in this window. You were spot on with the 4 out, but not the 3 in, LeG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 So whilst it is not Ralph's 'preferred' system, it is the one he has decided must be used without strengthening the DM position, which we don't look like doing before the summer. Consequently we have to use wing backs, and having Valery as #1 with Ramsey as cover weakens the squad, ( IMO ). Think Lemina has played RWB before at Juventus or Marseille so might see him there if needed (JWP plays there too though not particularly well). Wouldn't surprise me if we didn't get a CB in the summer but got a dynamic DM instead but right now 3 CBs and wing backs gets the best out of what we have and may have played a part in the decision to cut Cedric loose now since his attacking contribution is fairly limited anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Can see this going badly wrong, Cedric has been Key to our change in form. Poor move from the club. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You’re trying to hard. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Quite clearly the issue isn't specifically whether Cedric is good or not. Its that whilst in a relegation battle there is no need to let someone go for 500k who is clearly still a viable option to play, if not always start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Exactly. I think it augers well that the manager appears to let the squad slowly develop, shows a bit of long term thinking. I’d much rather we muddled through the rest of the season, if it means getting the right bloke in come the summer. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 The Mirror has linked Saints and Wolves to the LB Rogerio... “Wolves vs Saints for defender Wolves and Southampton are ready to fight it out for Brazilian defender Rogerio. Wolves are prepared to offer £12million for Rogerio, who is on loan at Serie A side Sassuolo from Juventus. Southampton are also keen on the left-back, who has been capped by Brazil at Under-17 and Under-20 level. Rogerio, 21, has yet to play a senior game for Juventus and also spent last season on loan at Sassuolo. The South American is enjoying a fine campaign and has made 20 appearances for Sassuolo in Serie A and the Coppa Italia. Newcastle were also monitoring his situation before signing Jordan Lukaku on loan from Lazio.” https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-news-live-liverpool-manchester-13900072 @ 16:59 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 25 January, 2019 Share Posted 25 January, 2019 Exactly. We buy before we sell “**** sake Saints, now we can’t shift Player X as team know we are desperate to get rid, done it the wrong way round!!” We sell before we buy “**** sake Saints, now we can’t get a replacement in for Player X as team know we are desperate to buy, done it the wrong way round!!” [emoji23] The best bet is to sell and buy a replacement at exactly the same time. Just like a hostage swap situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Saint Posted 25 January, 2019 Share Posted 25 January, 2019 So do you think the 'not worth trading in the inflated January transfer window' syndrome is going to backfire on everyone with inflated prices in the summer? Such a non-event window in general so far - not just for us. Perhaps there will be some bargain moves in the last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 25 January, 2019 Share Posted 25 January, 2019 Can see this going badly wrong, Cedric has been Key to our change in form. Poor move from the club. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Think that was one post too far!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 25 January, 2019 Share Posted 25 January, 2019 Shame we couldn't grab Moses on loan till the summer, would have been a decent fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 25 January, 2019 Share Posted 25 January, 2019 (edited) Exactly. We buy before we sell “**** sake Saints, now we can’t shift Player X as team know we are desperate to get rid, done it the wrong way round!!” We sell before we buy “**** sake Saints, now we can’t get a replacement in for Player X as team know we are desperate to buy, done it the wrong way round!!” [emoji23]Er, no. Forster wasn't a first choice front line player. It's pretty obvious to anyone in the industry that we were trying to move him on. Signing Gunn made zero difference to this obvious fact. Zero. Cedric is the best right back at the club. Letting Forster go (or not) makes no difference to the first team, letting Cedric go does. Not that difficult. Edited 25 January, 2019 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 25 January, 2019 Share Posted 25 January, 2019 After reading this in Ralph's Sky interview maybe Ralph is a manager who prefers a smaller squad you get the feeling he is using this window to weed out those elements of the squad that don't fit for him. "It's a package. If you find a young player who has potential and quality then we'll think about a transfer. The more important thing in this transfer period is to give players away, to have a committed group that is not too big." Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 25 January, 2019 Share Posted 25 January, 2019 Cedric is the best right back at the club. Letting Forster go (or not) makes no difference to the first team, letting Cedric go does. Not that difficult. Best in what way exactly? Defending the back post? Heading? Putting crosses into the same post code as the strikers? He really isn't any great loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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