The Fat Controller Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 I know this may be a bit contreversial, but I think Gunn is the better Keeper Mc Carthy hasn’t been exactly exceptional, and only called up as there isn’t much choice of English PL Keepers Based on conceding 30+ already is it worth seeing if a change would benefit the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMidfieldGeneral Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 YES!! 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 I know this may be a bit contreversial, but I think Gunn is the better Keeper Based on what? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 McCarthy's distribution isn't great. If he's passing towards the halfway line he only seems capable of floating the ball rather than pinging it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 Jesus Fukkn Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 Mc Carthy hasn’t been exactly exceptional, and only called up as there isn’t much choice of English PL Keepers What the actual fukk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMidfieldGeneral Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 What the actual fukk. Why are you getting your knickers in a twist ... it’s only his opinion Pep. Surely players need to fight for their place. Stick Gunn in and it might make McCarthy have a better edge on his game. Plus Gunn is going to be outstanding btw... Enjoy Him why’ve we have got hi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMidfieldGeneral Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 Enjoy him why we have still got him ** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 Why are you getting your knickers in a twist ... it’s only his opinion Pep. Surely players need to fight for their place. Stick Gunn in and it might make McCarthy have a better edge on his game. Plus Gunn is going to be outstanding btw... Enjoy Him why’ve we have got hi Cheers Bryan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 well RH blamed him on Solent for their first goal, dont expect Kelvin saw anything wrong with a near post finish mind you He has been a little suspect on long shots of late - i'm not saying drop him but if RH wants to change them round thats fine by me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 Get Forster back in. **** it, we lost one game, lets panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 he's the best keeper we have, albeit made 2 errors in last 2 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 McCarthy has certainly benefited from replacing that dope Forster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 Whilst McCarthy has done well overall this season I don't think that his position should be considered guaranteed ! Why not try Gunn v his former club, Man City (we'll probably lose anyway) where he'll get loads of practice and gain valuable PL experience ! IMO, it's not a silly suggestion and might be better to let him have a go now rather than waiting for an injury to give him his opportunity ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 McCarthy seems suspect on low shots from distance. Maybe he has caught that nasty bug - Forsteritus! I think Gunn will keep #1 spot once he gets that first opportunity in league game. Sent from my SM-A320FL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 McCarthy is doing well by being “better than Forster”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 Would think Gunn will play at Derby. Let's see how he does in what is going to be a tricky game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 It's almost sacrilege to criticise McCarthy on here, purely because he is better then Forster. That's a pretty low standard from which to judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 Watched the first West Ham goal few times, his positioning is correct. Just hit with such pace he can’t get too it. He will be disappointed, like all keepers are when they concede Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 £12m on a backup goalkeeper is very weird considering we can only spend when we sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 It's almost sacrilege to criticise McCarthy on here, purely because he is better then Forster. That's a pretty low standard from which to judge.Its not sacrilegious, but it's bloody pointless considering how bad our cbs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 28 December, 2018 Share Posted 28 December, 2018 McCarthy seems suspect on low shots from distance. Maybe he has caught that nasty bug - Forsteritus! Or maybe DaveWatsonitus? Surprised that disease hasn't been mentioned yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 Or maybe DaveWatsonitus? Surprised that disease hasn't been mentioned yet. McCarthy does seem to be developing the same flaws that Forster did. He stays rooted to the line and doesn't come out to narrow the angle when facing shots. This makes the goal 'big' for the striker and much easier for him to score in the corners of it. When Dave Watson works with goalies in the pre-match warmups, I've noticed the same thing, which suggests he's coaching them to do that. Why would he coach them like that? Well, he might argue that it gives them a fraction of a second longer. But, narrowing the angle and making the goal small for the striker is the conventional wisdom that most goalies follow. Also, like Forster, when facing the possibility of a shot, he doesn't stay on his toes, ready to dive in either direction but favours heavily stepping down on his left foot, perhaps because he is less confident diving to his left. This means if, as happened with Anderson's first goal, the shot is aimed low to his right, he's not going to get to it in time. The final flaw, and the worst one, is that when a shot is fired directly at him, he leans backwards in a 'limbo dancing' movement which enables the ball to pass over him as it did for Anderson's 2nd goal. I noticed that Forster used to do the same thing and it cost us several goals. It seems too much of a coincidence that they both developed this flaw independently. Why would anyone coach them to do that, you might ask? Well, I guess he thought it would give them a chance of saving the ball with their hands above their heads, rather than letting the ball hit them on the body. The problem is though that they are leaning back so far that they are already falling back over the goal line when they do it. Take another look at Anderson's 2nd goal and you'll see the shot was aimed right at his body. It was only that limbo dance movement that enabled it to go into the net. Unlike many on here I don't think that Forster was always a poor goalkeeper. He deteriorated badly over time. Some say that was because of injuries, others that it was the influence of bad coaching. But, I wouldn't be surprised to see him start playing well again at another club with a different coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 he's the best keeper we have, albeit made 2 errors in last 2 games. Forster would've saved those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 £12m on a backup goalkeeper is very weird considering we can only spend when we sell. This.. pretty much what I was saying in the summer. It's money we could have used to buy another attacking flair player or centre back- and how much are we missing that now whilst gunn sits on the bench ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 Its not sacrilegious, but it's bloody pointless considering how bad our cbs are. Centre-backs had nothing to do with those two goals, the Huddersfield one is just poor goalkeeping, its a 30 yard shot straight down the middle. The 2nd is well hit and maybe someone should have got out quicker to him but it was obvious what he was going to do, the only angle for the shot is near post, too many bodies to bend it in far so IMO he should have done better. End of the day if players are not top form then give someone else a go, we got into the situation last time because we didn't drop Forster and keep him on his toes when he started making a few errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 McCarthy does seem to be developing the same flaws that Forster did. He stays rooted to the line and doesn't come out to narrow the angle when facing shots. This makes the goal 'big' for the striker and much easier for him to score in the corners of it. When Dave Watson works with goalies in the pre-match warmups, I've noticed the same thing, which suggests he's coaching them to do that. Why would he coach them like that? Well, he might argue that it gives them a fraction of a second longer. But, narrowing the angle and making the goal small for the striker is the conventional wisdom that most goalies follow. Also, like Forster, when facing the possibility of a shot, he doesn't stay on his toes, ready to dive in either direction but favours heavily stepping down on his left foot, perhaps because he is less confident diving to his left. This means if, as happened with Anderson's first goal, the shot is aimed low to his right, he's not going to get to it in time. The final flaw, and the worst one, is that when a shot is fired directly at him, he leans backwards in a 'limbo dancing' movement which enables the ball to pass over him as it did for Anderson's 2nd goal. I noticed that Forster used to do the same thing and it cost us several goals. It seems too much of a coincidence that they both developed this flaw independently. Why would anyone coach them to do that, you might ask? Well, I guess he thought it would give them a chance of saving the ball with their hands above their heads, rather than letting the ball hit them on the body. The problem is though that they are leaning back so far that they are already falling back over the goal line when they do it. Take another look at Anderson's 2nd goal and you'll see the shot was aimed right at his body. It was only that limbo dance movement that enabled it to go into the net. Unlike many on here I don't think that Forster was always a poor goalkeeper. He deteriorated badly over time. Some say that was because of injuries, others that it was the influence of bad coaching. But, I wouldn't be surprised to see him start playing well again at another club with a different coach. This is pretty true and it’s worrying our coach will carrying on teaching these bad habits. My Dad got it spot on yesterday by saying McCarthey has lost confidence in his defence and it causes a keeper to get nervous. Forster certainly went this way too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 It's almost sacrilege to criticise McCarthy on here, purely because he is better then Forster. That's a pretty low standard from which to judge. Hardly it just seems odd to be picking out the goalkeeper as a problem when we have so many other issues within the squad like full backs, CBs and strikers. Also this idea that Gunn is better isn't really borne out by many facts it's another one of those cases where a non-playing player is deemed to be better be virtue of not playing. If Ralph decides to play Gunn and he turns out to be better than McCarthy happy days. But I don't come away from games talking about the keeper costing us points these days, the way I did when Forster was our keeper, and I'd rather we got the outfield issues sorted first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 This forum is full of morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 Watched the first West Ham goal few times, his positioning is correct. Just hit with such pace he can’t get too it. He will be disappointed, like all keepers are when they concede That’s not what Ralf said in the pre-City press conference. He was surprisingly open about the keeper standing in the wrong position, causing to the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 McCarthy has saved us more points than lost them. Out of the issues we have in our squad, and there are numerous, the goalkeeping situation isn't one of them (unless you count giving Forster a five year deal...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 Centre-backs had nothing to do with those two goals, the Huddersfield one is just poor goalkeeping, its a 30 yard shot straight down the middle. You must have missed Bednarek jumping around like a fairy instead of blocking it. Watch it again and then say the centre halves had nothing to do with it. Shocking defending. Poor goalkeeping (bit like Gunn’s attempts at getting near a Leicester penalty) http:// https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dGmQF_8Ce_4 Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 McCarthy has saved us more points than lost them. Out of the issues we have in our squad, and there are numerous, the goalkeeping situation isn't one of them (unless you count giving Forster a five year deal...)Probably true, but this is saintsweb so can we focus on the negatives please. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 I’d much rather our defenders focused on blocking the shots rather than pussying out, then maybe our keepers wouldn’t have to worry. McCarthy has been brilliant for us, I feel calm with him between the sticks, unbelievable that people want him replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 I’d much rather our defenders focused on blocking the shots rather than pussying out, then maybe our keepers wouldn’t have to worry. McCarthy has been brilliant for us, I feel calm with him between the sticks, unbelievable that people want him replaced. Agree with this. McCarthy has been awesome for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefoggy Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 McCarthy kept us up last season, with crucial saves against Bournemouth and Swansea. I agree there have been a couple of errors lately, but every goalkeeper is prone to them. I've not seen enough of Gunn to form an opinion to be honest, a lot of money for a number 2 though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 29 December, 2018 Share Posted 29 December, 2018 McCarthy kept us up last season, with crucial saves against Bournemouth and Swansea. I agree there have been a couple of errors lately, but every goalkeeper is prone to them. I've not seen enough of Gunn to form an opinion to be honest, a lot of money for a number 2 though... That's how I see it. When we signed McCarthy no fans would have though he would be our number 1 2 or 3 years later. He's an average keeper playing in a bellow average side. He certainly helped to keep us up last season and has kept us in games this season - he made some cracking saves at Huddersfield. Yes he probably could have done better with a couple of the goals we have let in but then so should have the whole team. However, I'm sure we didn't spend the money we did on Gunn to have him sitting on the bench for a few seasons - especially as we already had an adequate No 2 in Forster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 Gunn is a good keeper but I have seen nothing in his performances so far to justify ousting McCarthy is his favour. IMHO this thread is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 Gunn is a good keeper but I have seen nothing in his performances so far to justify ousting McCarthy is his favour. IMHO this thread is pointless.I haven't even seen his performances, what chances has he had so far? Sent from my SM-J600FN using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 I haven't even seen his performances, what chances has he had so far? Sent from my SM-J600FN using Tapatalk He's played in 3 league cup games, done ok and not let us down. Though as is typical now days all teams made changes and were arguably weaker then what would play in a league game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 It's almost sacrilege to criticise McCarthy on here, purely because he is better then Forster. That's a pretty low standard from which to judge.I don't agree with the criticism because Alex has done little wrong since he took over and is a very good keeper. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 Forster would've saved those two.No he wouldn't. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 I’d much rather our defenders focused on blocking the shots rather than pussying out, then maybe our keepers wouldn’t have to worry. McCarthy has been brilliant for us, I feel calm with him between the sticks, unbelievable that people want him replaced.This. I've noticed a tendency to stand still in the hope of blocking a shot rather than attacking the shooter and closing him down. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 This. I've noticed a tendency to stand still in the hope of blocking a shot rather than attacking the shooter and closing him down. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk You're right. McCarthy needs to learn to do that: move out, make himself big and narrow the angle for the shooter. Watch Schmeichel to see how a well-coached goalkeeper does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 Off to Pool, so you’ll soon find out if Gunn is good enough. [emoji1303][emoji23] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 Off to Pool, so you’ll soon find out if Gunn is good enough. [emoji1303][emoji23] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 0/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 This. I've noticed a tendency to stand still in the hope of blocking a shot rather than attacking the shooter and closing him down. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Watched the 2nd West ham goal again and indeed he is slow of his line and gives Anderson plenty of time, any of the top keepers wouldve read that move and been right out on top of Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 You're right. McCarthy needs to learn to do that: move out, make himself big and narrow the angle for the shooter. Watch Schmeichel to see how a well-coached goalkeeper does it. Seemed to do ok then. Our fans are a mess sometimes. Rumours are he is off in Jan, so all your prays will be answered regarding Gunn Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 Mccarthy been brilliant so far, but naaah get rid Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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