doggface Posted 11 January, 2019 Share Posted 11 January, 2019 Saints have needed a new senior rightback for ages. Cedric has not impressed, especially defensively. Use Cedric as bait for Lookman if they are interested. Sign senior rightback from elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 January, 2019 Share Posted 11 January, 2019 Interesting to see him linked with Everton today. Won't take long for us to know if it's legit or not as they have some well briefed journo's in that part of the world. Just out of interest, how are they stacked at right-back? hey just a minute Everton have to unload players to bring in someone new... I thought it was only us that had to do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 January, 2019 Share Posted 11 January, 2019 hey just a minute Everton have to unload players to bring in someone new... I thought it was only us that had to do thatEasy. Give us lookman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 11 January, 2019 Share Posted 11 January, 2019 hey just a minute Everton have to unload players to bring in someone new... I thought it was only us that had to do that I believe Arsenal said something similar this week along the lines of “we don’t have any money for incoming transfers in this window.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 Jim White on talkSport just mentioned that Ralph considers him surplus so might be leaving sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 Jim White on talkSport just mentioned that Ralph considers him surplus so might be leaving sooner rather than later. Buy-in to Ralph's philosophy or leave is pretty much what we're seeing. Hoedt, Gabby, Cedric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 There was the "I don't care about past achievements", and it seems Cedric has the biggest achievement with the Euro win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 Another player Ralph has sussed out within seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 Another player Ralph has sussed out within seconds. Along with who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 Along with who? Hoedt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 Saints have needed a new senior rightback for ages. Cedric has not impressed, especially defensively. Use Cedric as bait for Lookman if they are interested. Sign senior rightback from elsewhere. The first part is such utter nonsense. Cedric is defensively probably our best player. His problem however is that he lacks attacking output. In the system we play now you either have to be a threat forward or be able to play as one of the the CBs. However as a traditional RB in a 442 he is still very good. Last season he had a very rough start with some (uncharacteristic) mistakes but the season before he had been pretty much fault free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 Along with who? Hoedt. They're easily our two most dislikable players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 I don't mind Cedric. Hoedt agreed, tit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 Hoedt. They're easily our two most dislikable players. But do you need to like them? It's what they offer on the pitch on match days that counts. I'm sure that there are some really nice blokes who are shîte at football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 You can bet that Ralph has looked at all the videos of matches where cedric has cost us at the back post or hasnt funnelled back , same as Hoedt he wont keep a liability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 You can bet that Ralph has looked at all the videos of matches where cedric has cost us at the back post or hasnt funnelled back , same as Hoedt he wont keep a liability Strange that he played Vestergaard after his mistake............some people do talk hot air. Players like Hoedt, Gabbi etc don't fit into his system......high press etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 Hoedt. They're easily our two most dislikable players.Never had a problem with Cedric found Bertrand's two and half seasons of phoning in a performance most weeks far more annoying . Hoedt comes across as a cock though clearly thinks he is better than he actually us. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 You can bet that Ralph has looked at all the videos of matches where cedric has cost us at the back post or hasnt funnelled back , same as Hoedt he wont keep a liabilityIf Ralph watched videos of any of our defence from the last couple of seasons and based his opinion on that he would of let the whole defence leave in Jan. They have all been mistake ridden liabilities the last two seasons Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adkins' Bus Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 Strange that he played Vestergaard after his mistake............some people do talk hot air. Players like Hoedt, Gabbi etc don't fit into his system......high press etc. With Cedric and Hoedt I very much doubt it has got anything to do with the system and everything to do with attitude, work ethic and commitment to the cause. If Hoedt doesnt fit "the system" then why would vestergaard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 You can bet that Ralph has looked at all the videos of matches where cedric has cost us at the back post or hasnt funnelled back , same as Hoedt he wont keep a liability It has nothing to do with their ability, it’s their attitude (which is effecting their ability). That’s why Ralph wants them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 With Cedric and Hoedt I very much doubt it has got anything to do with the system and everything to do with attitude' date=' work ethic and commitment to the cause. If Hoedt doesnt fit "the system" then why would vestergaard?[/quote'] Exactly, nothing to do with them making "mistakes" then? That's what i'm saying, it's peoples attitudes not the fact they might make the odd "mistake". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 It has nothing to do with their ability, it’s their attitude (which is effecting their ability). That’s why Ralph wants them out. Hoedt is junk (and yes that assessment is partly coloured by his attitude). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 (edited) You can bet that Ralph has looked at all the videos of matches where cedric has cost us at the back post or hasnt funnelled back , same as Hoedt he wont keep a liability Nah, no need, all the expert views on here is all he needs Edited 15 January, 2019 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 It's disgusting that Cedric is mentioned in the same sentence as Hoedt. Or infact any player in the world is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 hopefully going, terrible player. OTT We really do have to have proven quality players signed up before letting quality players leave. With four months fighting relegation ahead this is not the time to let our better defenders leave. That was how Reed ruined our squad. It would continue the trend of the last two years, with the result of having a less skilful squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 The players who think they deserve better than the club will go. "Can Mr Lemina come to the Manager's office please". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 I honestly don't rate Cedric as a player, I think he's bog average but has an opinion of himself which is much greater. Too small and weak, gets beaten too often on the right side. Have wanted to replace him for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 I honestly don't rate Cedric as a player. Really ? You should of mentioned it before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 January, 2019 Share Posted 15 January, 2019 Really ? You should of mentioned it before If i mention it a few more times he might leave..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 The first part is such utter nonsense. Cedric is defensively probably our best player. His problem however is that he lacks attacking output. In the system we play now you either have to be a threat forward or be able to play as one of the the CBs. However as a traditional RB in a 442 he is still very good. Last season he had a very rough start with some (uncharacteristic) mistakes but the season before he had been pretty much fault free. Let's agree to completely disagree. IMO he is ok in the tackle, an absolutely liability in the air & not justat the back post either. Has cost us many goals directly through his pooraerial ability and failure to clear the ball when under pressure. Ourlads are rightly putting the ball into row Z or up the touchline if in anydoubt. I would again disagree and say the one thing he doesn't lack is attackingoutput. He has good control, makes good forward runs and is quick. Final ball ranges from the delightful to shambolic however. The most important opinion is that of the manager rather than anysupporter. It looks likely he doesn't rate Cedric from his actions andlack of support for the player in his Derby presser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 odd that some words are joined together above....but you get the jist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 He's one of those on an off players, but saying he's "terrible" and that we need shot of him is absurd. When he's playing well he's a lot better than we could find elsewhere. He'll play a big part next season with a proper manager and if he has his head in the right place, I am confident of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 Assume he starts tonight with Valery out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 Assume he starts tonight with Valery out.Not Ramsey who played there against City? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 Not Ramsey who played there against City? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Didn't Ramesy play as one of the three CBs in that game? either way he looked way out of his depth in that game (even given the opposition) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 Didn't Ramesy play as one of the three CBs in that game? either way he looked way out of his depth in that game (even given the opposition) Started at RB, went to CB after City scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 Not Ramsey who played there against City? Possible, but I'd assume something might be happening if Cedric doesn't play tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 I honestly don't rate Cedric as a player, I think he's bog average but has an opinion of himself which is much greater. Too small and weak, gets beaten too often on the right side. Have wanted to replace him for a while. Complete agree. We could get someone better for much less than we could sell him for and invest the money elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 He's one of those on an off players, but saying he's "terrible" and that we need shot of him is absurd. When he's playing well he's a lot better than we could find elsewhere. He'll play a big part next season with a proper manager and if he has his head in the right place, I am confident of that. Given the manager seems to prefers Valery, I doubt that’s indicative of Cedric playing a big part next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 Started at RB, went to CB after City scored.Ah ok I was at the game don't remember him being at RB. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 JWP, Stephens and Johnson good, Rom tidy, Cedric, Ramsay, Armstrong all poor. Ely after a couple of nice touches early on a total passenger. And it’s 1-0. Surprised Murphy didn’t cheer. Ramsay gave a stupid ball out. VAR ruled out. F uck you Danny Murphy plus Derby and their c nut fans. Forest fan at work will have cheered that. Murphy stop whining. I know you are a scouser and it’s in the DNA but it’s the same for both sides. And again. Even the tater has effectively said ‘it’s offside, shut up’. Used at the right times? It’s either offside or not Danny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 Wave at the end gave shirt to crowd looked like he is off from body language. Could be wrong but everyone near me commented on it too . Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 Wave at the end gave shirt to crowd looked like he is off from body language. Could be wrong but everyone near me commented on it too . Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Hopefully he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 Wave at the end gave shirt to crowd looked like he is off from body language. Could be wrong but everyone near me commented on it too . Does he normally do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 dont know but it wasnt usual player salute rest clapped he did this apologetic wave. As I said could be wrong body language didnt seem right ok we had just lost but guess we will see next week or so Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 dont know but it wasnt usual player salute rest clapped he did this apologetic wave. As I said could be wrong body language didnt seem right ok we had just lost but guess we will see next week or so Think there's only been the Everton link. Would have thought the Portuguese media would have made more noise about a move if one was imminent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 16 January, 2019 Share Posted 16 January, 2019 dont know but it wasnt usual player salute rest clapped he did this apologetic wave. As I said could be wrong body language didnt seem right ok we had just lost but guess we will see next week or so Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk I agree that was definitely his last appearance. In fact I am starting a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 17 January, 2019 Share Posted 17 January, 2019 I agree that was definitely his last appearance. In fact I am starting a thread. On the strength of him giving his shirt away and waving ? Or anything of substance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 17 January, 2019 Share Posted 17 January, 2019 His moustache looked fantastic last night. What a way to bow out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 17 January, 2019 Share Posted 17 January, 2019 His moustache looked fantastic last night. What a way to bow out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Always leave them wanting more. The boy is a showman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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