Pilchards Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 It’s a miracle that we are winning games even at Xmas, and it’s obviously down to the impact of our new manager. A clear change from me is having a game plan and an identity as a football team. Marking at the set pieces yesterday I noticed the 3 centre backs don’t mark anyone. They attack the ball as a free spirit. Our attacking purposes are more direct and full of running too. I love the fact Targett and Valery are sometimes leading the front line alongside Ings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Beating Huddersfield really isn't a miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 No but the style of play and togetherness that our players are now showing is a distinct improvement on the dross we had become used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Plus the way we fought after letting in their goal was something that has been missed for a long, long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Team spirit, collective responsibility, working hard to play, confidence in not being fearful. He’s a leader who focuses on the right things as it stands at the moment. Long may it continue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Whilst I agree we shouldn't get carried away, to see the visible impact on the pitch of their harder work is brilliant. No longer second to every ball, no longer puffing away looking out of condition, no longer a team of individuals getting frustrated and getting cards, better tactics, meaningful substitutions, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Whilst I agree we shouldn't get carried away, to see the visible impact on the pitch of their harder work is brilliant. No longer second to every ball, no longer puffing away looking out of condition, no longer a team of individuals getting frustrated and getting cards, better tactics, meaningful substitutions, etc. Agree Ings first couple of games he looked very good, then turned into a cart-horse Now after a couple of week with Ralph in charge, he looks very busy again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 United the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 United the forumNo he hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Beating Huddersfield really isn't a miracle. Up until two weeks ago it would have been considered such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 No he hasn't.Yes he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 A remarkable change. Saved the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Up until two weeks ago it would have been considered such. No it wouldn't, just like beating CP away wasn't regarded as a miracle. If we were stuck with MH we would have every chance of beating Huddersfield away. I love what Ralph is bringing to the team and pleased that we now have a football vision and someone to implement it. I know its fashionable to think we have a **** squad but we haven't. Ralph hasn't overhauled their condition or coached them to improve in two wesks, because that is impossible. We have a decent squad and now a decent manager and it will be interesting to see what they can do together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 or coached them to improve in two wesks, because that is impossible. Yet, that is what he has done. Quite strange to say otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Ralph is amazing. I think we should get carried away - I understand the train is leaving the station. I’m particularly amazed as I thought Hughes was doing as well as possible with this squad and much better than Pellegrino. I must admit I was going off football and seriously considering not renewing after 30 years as a season ticket holder. Let’s enjoy it while it lasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 I wonder who identified him as a candidate, Les before he was sacked, or Ross? Seems like an inspired choice after a series of mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 I wonder who identified him as a candidate, Les before he was sacked, or Ross? Seems like an inspired choice after a series of mistakes. You will get some grief for suggesting that but you could be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 A remarkable change. Saved the season. Might sound dramatic but possibly saved this club. Under Reed n Hughes we were slowly dying. Fans losing interest and importantly the next generation of fan completely repulsed by SFC. The club had lost its mojo, it's identity, it's purpose. The feel good is back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 1) Fitness 2) Pressing in the right moments 3) not playing Hoedt 4) telling players to forget everything they’ve been told previously and they are good enough (bar Hoedt) 5) Training correctly 6) playing a DM with Hoj, Lemina and/or Armstrong. 7) playing Berdanek (not a world beater CB but does simple things right) Interaction with fans, media and players 9) On his train 10) not being Mark Hughes Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Might sound dramatic but possibly saved this club. Under Reed n Hughes we were slowly dying. Fans losing interest and importantly the next generation of fan completely repulsed by SFC. The club had lost its mojo, it's identity, it's purpose. The feel good is back You have posted much bunkum Glasgow but you're on the money with this effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 I know its fashionable to think we have a **** squad but we haven't. Ralph hasn't overhauled their condition or coached them to improve in two wesks, because that is impossible. We have a decent squad and now a decent manager and it will be interesting to see what they can do together. Wasn't it Bertrand who tweeted about what a difference having clear instructions made? Ralph hasn't coached them into better players in two weeks - but he has clearly improved motivation and is sending them out with a game plan they buy in to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 You will get some grief for suggesting that but you could be right I thought he had previously been considered, perhaps back in the summer, but the club obviously ultimately felt Hughes should be given the job after "keeping us up". I imagine recruting him now was just a question of seeing who we had been looking at before and resurrecting our interest, made easier of course by the fact Ralph was between jobs. So yes, it was probably down to Reed, hard to believe Krueger came up with the idea on his own. The Red Bull link may have played a part (going back to Markus' involvement with RB before he purchased us), Red Bull can be quite a tight knit sporting community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 More importantly where is Alpine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Noticed players are giving each other a hell of a lot of support to each during the game, the more senior guys really encouraging the young guys that have come into the team as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Yes, in 2 games we have gone from zeros to heros ! I was hoping this would happen under Hughes, as at the arse end of last season there was a definite upturn in performances when he came in, but as we all know he was out of his depth (the 3 year contract still baffles me - did he hold us to ransom....?). The 2 wins so far have come against sides who performed poorly in those games, Arsenal had a makeshift defense and an off day, Hudds are just poor full stop. What does it matter, we'll take the points. If we can get 4 points from the next 2 games we can genuinely say we have the Mesiah in our camp ! The reasons are simple, hard work and tactical nous, the rest follows if the players are half decent (most of ours are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Makes you wonder what these lads were being taught before.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 It’s a miracle that we are winning games even at Xmas, and it’s obviously down to the impact of our new manager. A clear change from me is having a game plan and an identity as a football team. Marking at the set pieces yesterday I noticed the 3 centre backs don’t mark anyone. They attack the ball as a free spirit. Our attacking purposes are more direct and full of running too. I love the fact Targett and Valery are sometimes leading the front line alongside Ings. Binning the absolutely awlful zonal marking from dead balls was an excellent start that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 (edited) More importantly where is Alpine? Busy gluing back the doors on all the advent calendars he’s prematurely opened? That or we happen to be winning. Edited 23 December, 2018 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 1) not automatically looking to pass back and "build up" 2) not focused on possession 3) press all over, creating traps, no more letting the opponent just pass it around while we wait 4) attack from the minute you have possession (now we see players turn and go rather than pass back) 5) no more "static" formations, all player are making runs some from deep in the formation at one point yesterday a defender made a run and Ings stepped back as a CB to replace him we made it far too easy for the defenders before I made the comment a few matches ago that I didn't think our strikers were bad, I just think the team was not creating any chances. We can see that is true now. Before we were just static, players staying the their boxes, and our offense revolved around crosses into the box after the D was already set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 1) not automatically looking to pass back and "build up" 2) not focused on possession 3) press all over, creating traps, no more letting the opponent just pass it around while we wait 4) attack from the minute you have possession (now we see players turn and go rather than pass back) 5) no more "static" formations, all player are making runs some from deep in the formation at one point yesterday a defender made a run and Ings stepped back as a CB to replace him we made it far too easy for the defenders before I made the comment a few matches ago that I didn't think our strikers were bad, I just think the team was not creating any chances. We can see that is true now. Before we were just static, players staying the their boxes, and our offense revolved around crosses into the box after the D was already set. We were so slow and predictable with the last 3 managers, although Hughes did try and get them to play forward passes more .... now just about every time a player gets the ball, the first reaction is to go into attack mode rather than make painfully slow passes across the halway line which eventually leads to an aimless punt and possesion lost. Positive tactics inspires positive performances and encourages more effort as you are more likely to create chances rather than keeping possession for the sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Busy gluing back the doors on all the advent calendars he’s prematurely opened? That or we happen to be winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Beating Huddersfield really isn't a miracle. Beating Arsenal was pretty good. It’s been a while since we beat a top 6 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Beating Arsenal was pretty good. It’s been a while since we beat a top 6 team. And a team with strikers who just couldn't score suddenly getting 6 in 2 is pretty miraculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Beating Huddersfield really isn't a miracle. Exactly how many matches had we won this season before beating Arsenal? It might not be a "miracle" but I am not going to whinge about winning back to back matches for the first time in how long exactly? FFS what is wrong with some people here? The Board have given us an excellent early Christmas present in Ralph. Make the most of it because he looks like he is destined for bigger and better things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 He has no patience for many of our mediocre players, and I like that a lot. Hopefully he can engineer a mass clearout that should've been done a while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 I thought he had previously been considered, perhaps back in the summer, but the club obviously ultimately felt Hughes should be given the job after "keeping us up". I imagine recruting him now was just a question of seeing who we had been looking at before and resurrecting our interest, made easier of course by the fact Ralph was between jobs. So yes, it was probably down to Reed, hard to believe Krueger came up with the idea on his own. The Red Bull link may have played a part (going back to Markus' involvement with RB before he purchased us), Red Bull can be quite a tight knit sporting community. I said to friends that it would be a mistake to give Hughes a contract after we avoided relegation. It seemed very likely that Hughes thought when he took on the job last season that if we miraculously avoided the drop he would be offered a decent contract. He could then make sure we played badly enough for him to get paid off with a nice fat compensation deal. A no lose bet for Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 I said to friends that it would be a mistake to give Hughes a contract after we avoided relegation. It seemed very likely that Hughes thought when he took on the job last season that if we miraculously avoided the drop he would be offered a decent contract. He could then make sure we played badly enough for him to get paid off with a nice fat compensation deal. A no lose bet for Hughes. Do you really think he made sure we played badly ? Heard it all now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Might sound dramatic but possibly saved this club. Under Reed n Hughes we were slowly dying. Fans losing interest and importantly the next generation of fan completely repulsed by SFC. The club had lost its mojo, it's identity, it's purpose. The feel good is back Agree, personally felt that if we were relegated this season we would implode financially and as a result as a club much like last time.Ralphs appointment has literally saved the club from utter meltdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Busy gluing back the doors on all the advent calendars he’s prematurely opened? That or we happen to be winning. Or what with Ralph being Austrian umm could be a bit of a Hong Kong Phooey scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 I said to friends that it would be a mistake to give Hughes a contract after we avoided relegation. It seemed very likely that Hughes thought when he took on the job last season that if we miraculously avoided the drop he would be offered a decent contract. He could then make sure we played badly enough for him to get paid off with a nice fat compensation deal. A no lose bet for Hughes. Right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 That he's changed things this much in three games shows just how bad the previous appointments were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintquin Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Might sound dramatic but possibly saved this club. Under Reed n Hughes we were slowly dying. Fans losing interest and importantly the next generation of fan completely repulsed by SFC. The club had lost its mojo, it's identity, it's purpose. The feel good is back Noticed yesterday just after we scored he looked at the Saints fans with a very happy face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Jesus christ, get a grip. There is life and football outside of the premiership. Miracles, I've heard it all now. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 I said to friends that it would be a mistake to give Hughes a contract after we avoided relegation. It seemed very likely that Hughes thought when he took on the job last season that if we miraculously avoided the drop he would be offered a decent contract. He could then make sure we played badly enough for him to get paid off with a nice fat compensation deal. A no lose bet for Hughes.Jesus wept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Exactly how many matches had we won this season before beating Arsenal? It might not be a "miracle" but I am not going to whinge about winning back to back matches for the first time in how long exactly? FFS what is wrong with some people here? The Board have given us an excellent early Christmas present in Ralph. Make the most of it because he looks like he is destined for bigger and better things! Whoa there old fool, where was I whinging. I know you like to be triggered and have a good old moan but you completely ignored my next post. The common narrative is that we have assembled a **** squad, in the hands of two **** managers the players look poor, but with RH they look a lot better already because they aren't that bad. Even with Hughes we were no where nearly as bad as the **** Derby or Sunderland sides that went down. Because old Les wasn't as bad as people like to make out, he was the one that wasn't sold on Mark Hughes and wanted to look at other managers this summer and probably one of those on his list was RH. And Bad Ralph, another derided figure seems to have been instrumental in bringing Good Ralph in. So yes we seem to have got our hands on a really decent manager and with our players that are not too bad we look set to steady the ship and push on. Yet, that is what he has done. Quite strange to say otherwise Batman another one who likes to misunderstand. What he has done is set the players up to play in his style of football, he is working on their condition and will be coaching them, but the the small amount of sessions he has had will have had little effect on their condition or skill level. The positive effect so far has been down to his style of management and his footballing philosophy, Time will tell if he is capable of improving the players, I have hunch that he will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Batman another one who likes to misunderstand. What he has done is set the players up to play in his style of football, he is working on their condition and will be coaching them, but the the small amount of sessions he has had will have had little effect on their condition or skill . Your evidence/expertise is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Whoa there old fool, where was I whinging. I know you like to be triggered and have a good old moan but you completely ignored my next post. The common narrative is that we have assembled a **** squad, in the hands of two **** managers the players look poor, but with RH they look a lot better already because they aren't that bad. Even with Hughes we were no where nearly as bad as the **** Derby or Sunderland sides that went down. Because old Les wasn't as bad as people like to make out, he was the one that wasn't sold on Mark Hughes and wanted to look at other managers this summer and probably one of those on his list was RH. And Bad Ralph, another derided figure seems to have been instrumental in bringing Good Ralph in. So yes we seem to have got our hands on a really decent manager and with our players that are not too bad we look set to steady the ship and push on. Batman another one who likes to misunderstand. What he has done is set the players up to play in his style of football, he is working on their condition and will be coaching them, but the the small amount of sessions he has had will have had little effect on their condition or skill level. The positive effect so far has been down to his style of management and his footballing philosophy, Time will tell if he is capable of improving the players, I have hunch that he will be. Triggered Very pleased to have taught you that word pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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