austsaint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 We are terrible. This back four and this squad will take us down no matter who the manager is. Yet so many have argued it is a mid-table squad! Apart from the Vestergaard howler the two players who disappointed most were Targett and Armstrong who barely featured. Task for RH is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffnut Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Disgusting performance by a bunch of second rate players, no new manager effect today. Give the new manager a chance to get rid of most of these poor players who aren't worth persisting with and we may go down with a bit of a fight. We are the worst team in the Premiership by a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Shambolic defending. Before they scored we seemed in control. What was that all about. Too many defensive errors. Jack Stephens should now be the first choice CB. Changing the back four as he did was a mistake. Lemina was our best player by far today. I always felt nervous about this as his first game in charge. Changing the team and formation I think put pressure on the team. I know we are glad Hughes has gone but maybe a more cautious Hughes would have got a result. But we need to fix the long term so let's get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessex saint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Horrible performance and result. But take a deep breath, Ralph now has a whole week to work out who his best team is I.e. not Vestergarrd, Austin or Targett. He picked today’s team based on what he saw from training on Thursday in which none of the team from the spurs game were involved. He said as much today. We have the spine of a mid table team... give it some time. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Amazingly the second Saints manager ever to start with a 1-0 defeat at Cardiff. Has any other manager ever achieved an identical first result to another manager at the same club against the same team?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 I know people don't like Hoedt, but I think with the right coaching he'll be alright for us. It looks like Bednarek and Stephens are the best of a poor bunch of central defenders. I really think we should try to offload Vestergaard and Hoedt in January and use the money top buy one good central defender. Les Reed has wasted a huge amount of money and left us with an utter shambles. It's going to take at least a couple of transfer windows to sort that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Trying to move the ball quicker meant losing it more often, with only one days practice. It was inevitable with our defence that a pub player would score. On a positive note, Lemina will flourish in this system, but we need Cedric and Bertrand, or replacements to make it work, the stand ins are not up to it. Thanks also to Neil Moss for giving us **** all all afternoon. He would have given both penalty shouts if it was Liverpool or Arsenal. Agreed. Lemina was excellent today. And Moss gave us the square root of f**k all. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Peepa Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Lose to Fulham and Cardiff in quick fire away games and you don’t deserve to stay up. We are gutless Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry12 Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Just back from the game. Player ratings ...Shiiiite. Any Manager that brings on Prowsey wowsey to save the game is a pathetic ignorant t&sser. That utter shambolic mess on an average of £6othou a week should be shot abattoir style..... ie captive bolt. Good f***cking riddance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Gap to safety has now grown to 3 points and that is before we play Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Two Championship sides. One with bottle and resilience, the other with 11 disinterested useless ****s. Vestergaard, Targett, Valery, Romeu, Austin all woeful. We’ll need 5/6 players in January to have even a sniff of staying up. Disagree about Romeu - he played well, broke up attacks and distributed well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Just back from the game. Player ratings ...Shiiiite. Any Manager that brings on Prowsey wowsey to save the game is a pathetic ignorant t&sser. That utter shambolic mess on an average of £6othou a week should be shot abattoir style..... ie captive bolt. Good f***cking riddance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Out played by a newly promoted Cardiff, with a bunch of players barely PL level (allegedly) managed by Warnock FFS... If anyone need evidence as to just how poor our squad is it was here. Hopefully Ralph can do enough to keep us up but we aren't going anywhere without a massive overhaul of this terrible squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Just back from the game. Player ratings ...Shiiiite. Any Manager that brings on Prowsey wowsey to save the game is a pathetic ignorant t&sser. That utter shambolic mess on an average of £6othou a week should be shot abattoir style..... ie captive bolt. Good f***cking riddance. Not happy then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 The Redmond penalty decision was a shocker but Armstrong went down too easily, wasn't a foul for me. Easy to blame the ref but we'd have probably still missed the penalty anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Just back from the game. Player ratings ...Shiiiite. Any Manager that brings on Prowsey wowsey to save the game is a pathetic ignorant t&sser. That utter shambolic mess on an average of £6othou a week should be shot abattoir style..... ie captive bolt. Good f***cking riddance.[emoji23][emoji1787] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Saint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 I never want to see Vestegaard or Targett in a Saints shirt again. Bother of them were L2 standard at best today. I don't think I have ever watched a Saints team make so many individual errors in one game. If we had been playing Man City today they would have got a rugby score. Might have been a different story if the ref hadn't been such a useless pr!ck and given us at least one of the two blatant penalties, but that would have flattered us. We were woeful in defence and ineffective in attack. Don't recall their keeper making a single save. I didn't expect us to look immediately better under the new manager, but I also didn't expect us to put in our worst performance of the season by a country mile either. So true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 The Austrian's got his work cut out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Vestergaard is an international, WHAT!!!!!. Who the hell signed him. Carillo. Boufal, etc. Any Saints fan seeing them before they signed would have said, either too slow, can't jump, greedy, too small, etc etc don't even think about it. Yet we rubbished the best part of £100m on crap.Black box, Les Reed, Ross Wilson are incompetent. Any fool can see that Soares is too small, Targett is dopey and slow, Hojbjerg tries hard but creates nothing, Lamina needs to do his tricks in the penalty area, Bednerek is work in progress, Armstrong, Redmond and Austin received the ball too late. Stephens needs a kicking to wake him up. Decent defender with an aversion to putting his foot through the ball when needed. We had that point in the bag until we committed suicide with pitty patty at the back and Vestergaard's attempt at a back pass was just one of loads of similar errors misplacing passes when under no pressure. McCarthy hardly had a save to make. I have a feeling they are going to get what they deserve this coming week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Disagree about Romeu - he played well, broke up attacks and distributed well. Thought he was very mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Didn't realise such a big gap was opening between 13th and the rest. The s**t teams are getting stranded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Horrible performance and result. But take a deep breath, Ralph now has a whole week to work out who his best team is I.e. not Vestergarrd, Austin or Targett. He picked today’s team based on what he saw from training on Thursday in which none of the team from the spurs game were involved. He said as much today. We have the spine of a mid table team... give it some time. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk you are correct they are all crap.. but so are the players that replace them. We don't have one good reliable CB in the whole squad, we don't have one decent regular goal scoring striker in the squad, the two back up full backs aren't as good as the first choice fullbacks who are **** poor themselves. The midfield is OK but not particularly good either. The only part of the squad that is half decent is GK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon3737 Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Let’s hope Danny Röhl is a genius defensive coach! When is he expected to join Ralph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 "Didn't put a foot wrong". When was the last time we could say that about a Saints defender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 It's hard to take, but we have to be patient. There needs to be a mass clear out. Think we may have to accept relegation by the end of Feb, but at least give the manager a couple of years to build his own team. 16th? Maybe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 "Didn't put a foot wrong". When was the last time we could say that about a Saints defender? Stephens against Liverpool in the away leg of the League Cup semi in 2017? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Yet so many have argued it is a mid-table squad! I'll say it again, anyone who thinks this is a mid-table squad that is just in need of a good manager is utterly delusional. At least 4 new players who will fit immediately into the first team and hit the ground running required, and even if we get them we may well be too far adrift by the time we get them. We have comfortably the worst defence in this league, and tbh I don't think that would be too far from the truth if the league they were playing in was the Championship. No other team I can ever remember seeing at this level has the amount of ridiculous basic errors in it than this one does. Truly unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 "Didn't put a foot wrong". When was the last time we could say that about a Saints defender? Our defenders are all 'wrong foot'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 I know people don't like Hoedt, but I think with the right coaching he'll be alright for us. From goalkeepers Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Iron Gonads Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Defence was poor but I saw positive signs. Won't win our next game but can see us picking 4 or 6 points in the Huddersfield and West Ham games. Think we are going to stay up. Will need Bertrand and Ings back pretty sharpish though. On a positive note we needn't worry if a center back gets suspended or a knock as they are all as bad as each other. I don't expect Ralph to turn them into Cannavaro but he'll get them some better protection from central midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Yet so many have argued it is a mid-table squad! Apart from the Vestergaard howler the two players who disappointed most were Targett and Armstrong who barely featured. Task for RH is huge. We have a mid-table squad for League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 From goalkeepers Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Hits nail on the head. Our coaching comes from 2 goalkeepers..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Remaining 2018 fixtures coming up ..... Arse(h) L, Udders(a) D, Spam(h) D, Citeh(h) L IMO we're looking at 2/3 points from remaining 2018 fixtures giving us 11/12 points from 20 games played. Too much unrealistic expectations on here, going to take the new man some time to turn this rudderless ship. My hope is that he can mold the team into some kind of winning group by Jan 1st as IMO they will need at the very least 23 points from 18 games, equivalent of 49 points over a season, just to have a sniff of safety. Ralph has a big, big job on his hands. It's on a knife edge IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 I'll say it again, anyone who thinks this is a mid-table squad that is just in need of a good manager is utterly delusional. At least 4 new players who will fit immediately into the first team and hit the ground running required, and even if we get them we may well be too far adrift by the time we get them. We have comfortably the worst defence in this league, and tbh I don't think that would be too far from the truth if the league they were playing in was the Championship. No other team I can ever remember seeing at this level has the amount of ridiculous basic errors in it than this one does. Truly unbelievable. Hard to disagree with any of that. We aren't any great shakes up top either. How Ross Wilson is still in a job is beyond me, it is hard to imagine how anybody could have done a worse job of recruitment in the past 2 years. The fact we have 2 record signings out on loan, a 4th choice GK on 80k a week with a long term contract, plus a squad that lacks competition in key positions, pace and a strong mentality, is a damning indictment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 (edited) McCarthy (7) came and missed one cross. Saved well from a low cross and came out brilliantly to deny Murphy...and that was about that. Unlike just about everyone else, he couldn't be blamed for goal. Valery (4) looked off the pace, tired or not quick enough. Those that know him better will tell you which. Deserved his booking and the manager couldn't trust him to come out for second half. Stephens (6) looked assured and much stronger when replacing him, using his strength to force Murphy up blind allies. Murphy disappeared as a result. Bednerek (4) looked slow to me. He's not huge and dominant in the air, so what facet to his game did attract our scouts to him? His mistake in the first half should have cost us a goal but he got away with it. I don't think he is better than Stephens. That is not a ringing endorsement. Vestergaard (3) also looked slow. Slow on the ball too and Cardiff sensed it and chased him harder than the rest. Premier league players smell blood. He is a weak link. He did win some headers, but the error for the goal is worse than Hoedt. Who the hell scouted this guy? Target was Target (5). I'm tired of saying what he can't do at this level. For years and years Saints struggled. We got two strong pacey fullbacks and added a centre back or two that were winners and we had the best defence around. Weak, slow full backs paired with try hard CBs equal relegation fodder again, Redmond (5). Complete non entity in the first half. I want to blame the change in shape and him being asked to play more central, but who knows if it was formation or player. In the second half he offered much more, mostly for wider positions. Was there a slight change is shape or did he move out there to find space. Still didn't do quite enough though. We lack flair and he's the only flair player. If he doesn't do anything we are ****ed. He doesn't do anything I hear you say. Well we are ****ed. Armstrong (4). Less of an entity than Redmond in the first half and thats saying something. Not a lot in the second half either. Hoj (6), Lemina (6) and Romeu (7) all seemed to get in each others way a little. Lemina looked lost in the first half. The formation did nothing for him. Do we need three holding CM against Cardiff? . Romeu was or best player in the first half, Lemina the second, but none offered the quality of forward pass required. Lemina beat a man now and then but it never led to a fast break, just a little more room for him to pass it to Target who then crossed to nothing. I thought Austin (3) was another level of uselessness today. The best thing and only thing he did all day was chase back and win a tackle. That only occurred because he had yet again lost the ball, which he did all game...all ****ing game. His link up play is terrible. We created nothing today and one of the main reasons for that is every time we got it forward to him he lost it. Every single time. You cant have one up front that cant hold the ball up. I have no issue with the fella. He tries his best, they all do, but he's simply not up to it at this level. JWP and Gabbi didn't make any difference really. How much did we spend on Elyounoussi again? We create nothing, we need a goal and yet no one is calling for him to come on. Says it all. I honestly don't see a way out of this hole. We need new players, but need to sell players to get them. Who is there left to sell? Edited 8 December, 2018 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 We have the spine of a mid table team... give it some time. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk We don't. For starters a spine includes as a good centre back. We don't even have a competent one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 We need pace to play the new manager’s preferred system. We were lacking it before; it’s an even bigger need now. Yep, which in itself is a worry. I'm a believer that you need some pace in ANY sytem, and I don't think we've signed anyone who has it since we signed Mane (and no, Redmond doesn't have it before anyone tries to claim that...) Cheers Les. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Well, on the plus side it gives the Reed haters plenty more opportunities to vent their spleen. Many of these players have played at international level. Perhaps they need to look at their own contributions and show us why we bought them in the first place. Reed is well out of the picture now. Even Eric Black no longer gets a mention. The people on the pitch are paid to do a job. They need to start earning their wages. Blaming Reed just let’s them off the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Bunch of wet wipes on here. We all knew the squad is toilet! Give the new manager to suss out what the score is and implement new system / philosophies. Yes we need a clear out Jan our defense is weak beyond weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isla Wight Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Totally unfunny posting that picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 I hope Goa’s stuffing a bit more money into his suitcase than usual so we can buy a player or two in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 So who was it who wanted the Skates in the cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Remaining 2018 fixtures coming up ..... Arse(h) L, Udders(a) D, Spam(h) D, Citeh(h) L IMO we're looking at 2/3 points from remaining 2018 fixtures giving us 11/12 points from 20 games played. Too much unrealistic expectations on here, going to take the new man some time to turn this rudderless ship. My hope is that he can mold the team into some kind of winning group by Jan 1st as IMO they will need at the very least 23 points from 18 games, equivalent of 49 points over a season, just to have a sniff of safety. Ralph has a big, big job on his hands. It's on a knife edge IMO. The ship has been heading towards the championship for quite a long time now. I cant be bothered to argue when exactly, lets agree on ages ago. Turning it round is incredibly difficult. I don't think anyone can do it. If we go down I don't think I can blame the manager. Yes he has ages, but with this squad the financial restrictions on him I don't think there is anything he can do. I doubt we will get another point this year...I honestly believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Wow, just wow. That was beyond horrendous. A worse performance you will not see. Going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Bunch of wet wipes on here. We all knew the squad is toilet! Give the new manager to suss out what the score is and implement new system / philosophies. Yes we need a clear out Jan our defense is weak beyond weak. talk me through how that is done exactly? You use the `term clear' but I don't think we manage to offload anyone. Not one player in January IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 So the only bright spot was Ralph coming over at the end and applauding is and making clear with a series of Austrian hand gestures that he was as embarrassed as we were by our shambolic sh1tshow of a defence. He got a decent round of applause. Matt Targett? How did he stay on at half time? Only coz Valery had a yellow I guess. Vestergaard? Gah. One of the reasons we kept giving it away was that they’d clearly been told to get it forward more quickly. Lemina was class as usual, Redmond had the odd run, but we lost to a team that would struggle to be mid table in the Championship without troubling the keeper. Conditions were awful but we were worse. Still think Ralph can turn it round though - got a feeling about him. Let’s hope they let him pick a couple of players he wants in January, and that we sell 4 or 5 even if sell them cheap. Looking forward to Huddersfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Wow, just wow. That was beyond horrendous. A worse performance you will not see. Going down. A screamer from Armstrong apart, this was pretty similar to Fulham. We control the ball, do little with it, then are hit on the break and then defenders don't do their job...defend our goal. I could nto agree more. We are going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Totally unfunny posting that picture So you quoted so it was posted again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 we should not be 5 points behind Cardiff, yet we are. awful, awful and awful once more. honestly if I had foresight then I wouldn't mind going down and getting promoted again the way Newcastle did in 2016-17... It is not that easy took us 7 years last time and a potential bankruptcy Imagine the costs we will carry with our famous deep roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 talk me through how that is done exactly? You use the `term clear' but I don't think we manage to offload anyone. Not one player in January IMO. Exactly who will want to buy our ****e players ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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