St Chalet Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 This defence is shambolic, attack not much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefoggy Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Going down. Simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 If one good thing comes from this, it'll be that Hassenhuttl realises that half the squad isn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Can see us doing a Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 we look like we know we are going down worrying times..... no fight....... players bottling it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Hasselhof has his work cut out for him, especially on D. If Cardiff were even an average squad they would have had 3 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 ????????????????????????????????????????? What can you say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 (edited) Going down. SimpleBasically. New manager or no new manager we've managed to become the worst team in the league. Question though. If Hughes was still in charge would we have lost that game? He probably wouldn't have started Vestergard I guess long term we are better off though? Edited 8 December, 2018 by BotleySaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Lost when we should't have, 2nd half we defended way better than the first but at the end of the day they weren't going to miss all the chances presented to them on a plate. We didnt create nothing. Lots of work for the new man. Also that light show after FT, as said many times on this forum. Mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Predictably predicted Said before.... Will take more than a decent manager to break this Les Reed momentum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr27 Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 18m wasted on a defender that has (excuse the FM reference) zero concentration, anticipation and pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 The Les Reed legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbendy Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Our defence it utterly shocking. None of the centre-backs are good enough. Not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Dreadful. No positives to take out of that - we are where we deserve to be with a squad full of below average quality players. I doubt Ralph can do much with this ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 I think that it's far too early to write Vestergaard off. He should be given the chance to make glaring mistakes that lead to another 6-7 key goals before anyone can judge if he is good or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Pep could nothing with this shower of sh*t! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Did we test their goaly, even once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madge Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Vestergaard and targett should never wear that shirt again. No chance we are staying up unless we blow about 100m in January. Worst squad in years. Two pens not given didn’t help but we don’t earn the luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 The new manager is going to have to be a genius to keep this lot up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 I never want to see Vestegaard or Targett in a Saints shirt again. Bother of them were L2 standard at best today. I don't think I have ever watched a Saints team make so many individual errors in one game. If we had been playing Man City today they would have got a rugby score. Might have been a different story if the ref hadn't been such a useless pr!ck and given us at least one of the two blatant penalties, but that would have flattered us. We were woeful in defence and ineffective in attack. Don't recall their keeper making a single save. I didn't expect us to look immediately better under the new manager, but I also didn't expect us to put in our worst performance of the season by a country mile either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 The only positive is that we have not been cut adrift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Basically. New manager or no new manager we've managed to become the worst team in the league. Question though. If Hughes was still in charge would we have lost that game? He probably wouldn't have started Vestergard I don’t think it would’ve mattered. That could just as easily have been hoedt or Yoshi. Positive - full week of training for Ralph to start trying to sort this **** show out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 No grit. They’re gonna get massive cross country runs this week Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 This is the legacy of Les Reed. What a ****!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 We are terrible. This back four and this squad will take us down no matter who the manager is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Trying to move the ball quicker meant losing it more often, with only one days practice. It was inevitable with our defence that a pub player would score. On a positive note, Lemina will flourish in this system, but we need Cedric and Bertrand, or replacements to make it work, the stand ins are not up to it. Thanks also to Neil Moss for giving us **** all all afternoon. He would have given both penalty shouts if it was Liverpool or Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Two Championship sides. One with bottle and resilience, the other with 11 disinterested useless ****s. Vestergaard, Targett, Valery, Romeu, Austin all woeful. We’ll need 5/6 players in January to have even a sniff of staying up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 If one good thing comes from this, it'll be that Hassenhuttl realises that half the squad isn't good enough. That's been clear for a long time to all but the permanently deluded hasn't it? Good teams need good players. If I was MH I'd be having a good old chuckle right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 The game wasn't fair, Cardiff had 15 players on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 This is the legacy of Les Reed. What a ****!!! Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 RaHa to RaKr ; "If we have to sell to buy 3 new centre-backs, what am I expected to do with £3.50 ?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 This defence is shambolic, attack not much better. Exactly. That defensive display was possibly the worst I have ever seen in this league. Cardiff should have had more. Abysmal. But then look at the other end - **** all created all match. Against CARDIFF. Our problems are all over the side, the players we bought in the summer to improve us have made us worse. Vestergaard is WORSE than Hoedt. Let that sink in for a minute. We have 3 of the top 6 to play before we can buy anyone to do anything about this utterly embarrassing shambles, and I wouldn't back us to get anything in the other game against Huddersfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Seriously. Get a defensive coach. Let the keeper coaches go. When's Obafaemi or Ings back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Saint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 We are unbelievably ****e. Vestergard criminal negligence in defence...but only one of an incredible number of punishable mistakes made by just about everyone. Lemina showed his class. Austin terrible as usual. Defence totally shambolic. Only positive for me is Hasenhutl will have seen just how devoid we are of both defence and attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Still in touch with teams above us so that's a plus. I dare say all the people who are saying we're going down, we're going to do a Sunderland blah blah bore blah are the same ones that spouted the exact same lines last season ...? Yes, we're a bit cr*p at the moment but so are half a dozen other teams, plenty of time to put things right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Brainless. It's pelting down with rain and windy and Vestergaard thinks now's the time for a flick backpass. Need a clearout in the summer regardless of where we are playing. We were slightly unlucky only in the sense that we should have had at least one penalty from the Armstrong/Redmond challenges. Hopefully Obafemi or Gallagher will be fit soon as gabbi looked lost and Austin just isn't mobile. The positives were that Bednarek played well(barring one error trying to control a ball). Stephens came on & did ok, even out ofhis favourite position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 I know people don't like Hoedt, but I think with the right coaching he'll be alright for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 I don't think I've ever seen such a catalogue of defensive errors. Virtually all their chances came from one of our defenders screwing up a simple pass. Unforgivable stuff. The goal was the icing on the cake - and people wonder why Hoedt gets a game...! Going forward we play ok but we don't have any pace whatsoever, so it's so easy for them to defend against - they just crowd us and we forced to play ridiculously intricate football which inevitably leads to losing the ball. Will be amazing if we survive. We have a handful of decent players going forward, but we don't have a good enough range of options and our defenders are shambolic. That wasn't the system today and it wasn't zonal marking. It was a bunch a sh1t footballers somehow getting a game in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkSaint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Feels more desperate than it prob is. Yes, way too many errors, only part excused by the conditions. Vestergaard a huge worry. I feel like we screwed up in bringing him in. Despite his height, he's not that dominant in the air at the back, and he's DEFINITELY prone to clumsy touches and mis-passes. Job no 1 for H will be to figure out the right back pairing. My money on Bednarek and Yoshida. Yoshida, despite v occasional mistakes, is a really talented footballer with a heart of gold. Stephens also strong. V shd be sold in my opinion. But what was good was seeing the combo of Lemina, Hoj and Romeu with Armstrong and Redmond ahead of them. that is a dynamic, winning midfield. I think the one thing we truly badly need in January is a deadly striker. That's been our achilles heel last two years since loss of Mane. If we get one in, the other pieces are there for a killer team. Even this game we'd have won with reasonable refereeing. I vote to remain a believer. But wow, it's been a long time since football came with celebration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 We were getting to grips with the game in the 2nd half. Ok so we weren't creating much (as usual) but Saints were looking comfortable. But who wasn't waiting for the massive screw up that would hand a goal to Cardiff? So damn predictable. Also predictable that we wouldn't get an equaliser. Ralph certainly has his work cut out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue_Saint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Well done Les Reed on this absolute ****e of an excuse for a defence! ****** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 I don't think I've ever seen such a catalogue of defensive errors. Virtually all their chances came from one of our defenders screwing up a simple pass. Unforgivable stuff. The goal was the icing on the cake - and people wonder why Hoedt gets a game...! Going forward we play ok but we don't have any pace whatsoever, so it's so easy for them to defend against - they just crowd us and we forced to play ridiculously intricate football which inevitably leads to losing the ball. Will be amazing if we survive. We have a handful of decent players going forward, but we don't have a good enough range of options and our defenders are shambolic. That wasn't the system today and it wasn't zonal marking. It was a bunch a sh1t footballers somehow getting a game in the Premier League. We need pace to play the new manager’s preferred system. We were lacking it before; it’s an even bigger need now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 (edited) Duplicate post. Edited 8 December, 2018 by Instant Classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Seriously. Get a defensive coach. Let the keeper coaches go. When's Obafaemi or Ings back? All the comments about defensive coaching are hilarious. The players are sh1te. No coaching will help them. They aren’t good enough. It really is that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Thank God that the board got rid of Hughes early enough for Hasenhuttl to have enough time to turn things around. Now he knows exactly what he needs to do. The defence needs urgent attention. Targett and Vestergaard should not feature again in a hurry. At least when Bertrand is back and Cedric plays, the full backs are generally better. But there were careless mistakes all over the pitch today. The mistake by Vestergaard was unforgivable. I didn't think Austin did badly, although he didn't get the service. But for the mistake that gifted them the goal, this match was headed to a nil-nil borefest. As it is, we have passed up yet another opportunity to take points away from a direct rival of ours, as we have done all season so far. The only consolation is that we have the chance to play them all again this season, and we really do need to win all of those matches to redress the balance. The other plus is that apart from Hasenhuttl having the chance to improve the players we have tactically and mentally, he will be able to address our shortcomings in the January transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 We need pace to play the new manager’s preferred system. We were lacking it before; it’s an even bigger need now. Long will be an essential component to the success of this team. I think he'll find his form again, the system will suit him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 Yoshida, despite v occasional mistakes, is a really talented footballer with a heart of gold. Sweet Mother of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 we should not be 5 points behind Cardiff, yet we are. awful, awful and awful once more. honestly if I had foresight then I wouldn't mind going down and getting promoted again the way Newcastle did in 2016-17... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 I know people don't like Hoedt, but I think with the right coaching he'll be alright for us. Training with national express coach as a driver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 8 December, 2018 Share Posted 8 December, 2018 That was pretty grim. Good to see the manager involved so much, but that performance was more Hasselhoff than Huttl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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